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Geeks in Management?

The Other Side of the Coin asks: "I've been doing a relatively interesting job until now, but they've pushed me into management recently. Although the new position is pretty boring (I manage normals), I do still have time for all the geeky stuff I used to do before. My problem is: I have no formal (or any other, for that matter) management training. Sure, I'll read a lot about it (and take some education), but what are your experiences as geeks in management? For example, I naturally started to use Borgish management methods, and this wasn't received well by people, to say the least. What are the most difficult hurdles for a manager geek to jump, and can our personality be used as an advantage in management?"

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  1. It worked for Homer... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Funny

    Employee hammocks!

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  2. Hmmm by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny
    I naturally started to use Borgish management methods... What are the most difficult hurdles for a manager geek to jump, and can our personality be used as an advantage in management?
    Well, one of the most difficult challenges you face is stop using Star Trek references in every day speech. If you do that, and stop referring to your cell phone as a Communicator, you'll probably do just fine.
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    1. Re:Hmmm by SithGod · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would also advise against naming the hot person 7 of 9

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    2. Re:Hmmm by sysadmn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Especially if she's only a 5 or so...

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  3. Borg good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Assimilate them. Seriously management is 75 % personality and 25% ability.

  4. THE BEATINGS WILL STOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    WHEN MORALE IMPROVES

  5. Hearken to the Wisdom of Dilbert! by physicsphairy · · Score: 5, Funny

    My problem is: I have no formal (or any other, for that matter) management training.

    Everything I ever needed to know about management, I learned from Dilbert.

    Now, granted, I don't actually have a job. . . .

  6. I have a geek manager by drivinghighway61 · · Score: 2, Funny

    He always insists that we call him Darth Vader. And on casual Friday, he dresses up in a Tron costume.

  7. Easy.. by Ooblek · · Score: 1, Funny

    1. Get banner printed, "All your bases are belong to us!" 2. Hang banner where everyone in cube farm can see it. 3. ? 4. Profit

    1. Re:Easy.. by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Funny

      5. Learn "br" html tag. :)

    2. Re:Easy.. by SoTuA · · Score: 2, Funny

      2.5.- Get laughed at by your underlings because it is "All your BASE" and not "All your BASES".

      2.75.- Reprint banner, getting it right this time.

      3.- Learn to use <P> and <BR>

  8. Immediately beat up the biggest person by jptechnical · · Score: 4, Funny

    That will affirm your dominant position and noone will question your authority.

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    1. Re:Immediately beat up the biggest person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't forget to also regularly pee in corners so people know your part of the building by your scent.
      If you find somebody else trying to mark your territory, fling feces to deter them.

  9. "geeky stuff"? by jxyama · · Score: 2, Funny
    >I do still have time for all the geeky stuff I used to do before.

    i see, like posting on /. :)

  10. Other Good Read by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
    It is absolutely crucial to read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. That will turn anyone into a good manager. Best manager I had was an analytical type like us back at GE. He read lots of books and practiced what they preached. The Carnegie book is the most important!

    Another excellent read is Leadership secrets of Atilla the Hun (no joke) the man turned yak herders into a formidable force.

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  11. Re:Pretty Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Pretty Ironic ... I was just offered a management position yesterday."
    • The offer wasn't, by-chance, to replace the guy that submitted this story, was it?
  12. Humor by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny
    Re:THE BEATINGS WILL STOP ... WHEN MORALE IMPROVES

    Also:

    The meetings will continue until we find out why nothing gets done around here.

    (This really was the case where I worked years ago, I was found to be a very useful person to invite to meetings as my analytical nature cut to the chase quickly and resolved issues, sometimes in as little as five minutes even, though the meeting was scheduled to last hours. Problem was, I got invited to so many meetings I couldn't get done all my work and other things from other meetings.)

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  13. Re:Pretty Ironic... by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think he meant to post in the "AOL Kills Usenet Access" story, but typed in the wrong window.

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  14. Re:Easy thing to do- by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No way. First thing, stop calling them "normals." It brings their hopes up and offends management. Call them peons, grunts, minions, or human resources, all of which are suitably devaluing. In addition, you should refrain from calling your minions by names. Make them all get numbers tatooed to their foreheads and refer to them by those.

    Replace coffee with electric shocks as a wake up.
    Reward failure with ever increasing voltage electric shocks, administered through the seat of the minions whenever you see fit.
    Reward success by allowing a minion to skip their morning electric shock.

    Use the shocks, verbal abuse, and threats of layoff to convince your minions that you are superior in all ways. The ones who have become convinced can then be given tazers of their own in order to opress the rest of the office. This will lead to your eventual rise to become the SHOEO of the company (supreme high overlord executive officer).

    At this point you can then install all the latest accompaniments afforded to the average SHOEO: the harem, the trap door into the pirhana pit, and, of course, the evil talisman of layoff (I know, most non-SHOEOs don't know about that - essentially, it magically steals job security from others to make it's user virtually impossible to fire, while simultaneously eliminating those pesky do-gooders).

    Of course, as a geek, you can add your own embellishments. To go with my PC, I have a Beowulf Cluster of Pain, and USB Flash of lightning generator. Oh, all the cameras and devices - including the lights are hooked directly to my cluster via X10 technology so that I can make sure that nobody exceeds their light or enjoyment ration.

    It's a good job if you do it right.

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  15. Re:Easy thing to do- by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Various things:
    1. Some folks will be on your side, others will have other agendas. get rid of the ones (transfer out, etc) whose agenda is to "get you" or "sabotage so they become the hero" or "plain and simple sabotage" (and other varieties of evil genius plotting against you)

      These are folks who refuse to get on board unless they are the whip master in their fuedal world.

      also be awake for the super polite nay-sayers, who drive everyone else batty.

    2. If folks have other agendas, and these agendas are not hostile to you, you need to get them in harmony with your team goals.
    3. Complete uniformity of mind is not desirable. However, those who keep discovering problems for you to panic about need to be looked at closely, and with suspicion. Are they someone's patsy, or what?
    4. typical project management stuff: mapping out goals, sub goals, final products, etc in a clear, consistent fashion.

      Be aware: goals have their dependencies as well.

    5. Accurate estimation of effort, and allow for Murphy's law X2
    6. Under Promise, Over Deliver, but don't get caught in a trap of management compensating for this.
    7. Dealing with Management is a PR Job.

      Example: PHB thinks project is almost done because the GUI is finished. Reality is that gui was done first because it's the easiest to do, now all the rest of the work has to be done.

      Solution: implement a series of graphics so that the gui reflects the state of completeness. example: use color and 3d effects only for 100% done, greyscale everything else. 3d effects only on things 75% done, etc.

    8. The Human Intereface Protocol is remarkably similar to Modem Communication and Handshaking Protocols, and serves for a model for basic geek manners.

      Example: Always send an appropriate ack to the person you are talking with to indicate you got what they were saying. An appropriate ack could be head shake, grunt, verbal, back pat, etc. Key word is appropriate.

      Example: Implementing error correction at the verbal level, recheck to verify that data was received correctly on both side of a conversation. You would be surprised how badly this can go off the rails.

    9. Choose a workable version of the Golden Rule.
    10. Much of the above will help avoid becoming a MicroManager
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  16. stop the apostrophe madness by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 1, Funny
  17. Re:Must Read by Saeger · · Score: 1, Funny
    I look for smiling people on the Metro when I go to and from work - people never smile who are there alone, and rarely if they are with someone

    I keep a look out for those smiling people too; they usually have the fatter wallets when I mug them.

    I ask them after, "Why are you still smiling, schmuck?!", and they invariably say they're trying to use their amazing power of influence on me so that I might give them their money back; it doesn't work on me. Except this one time a guy gave me a very nice compliment about my mugging etiquette, so I kicked him in the nuts for trying to win me over with his blatant manipulation techniques. >:)

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  18. You're so right... by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I always prefer to call them "underlings" or "slackers".

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  19. Floggings by Ranger · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have no formal (or any other, for that matter) management training.

    I think you should hang motivational posters everywhere and put a big sign above your desk that reads "The floggings will continue unitl morale improves!"

    Also talk behind peoples backs. Say one thing and do another. Promote paranoia and backstabbing. Fire people who make you look bad. And start asking people "Did you get the memo? It's just that we've started using these new cover sheets for our TPS reports."

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  20. Re:Easy thing to do- by demachina · · Score: 3, Funny

    "as you would like to be treated if the positions were reversed."

    Well that would be the naive geeks answer especially coming from a worker that would like their to sucker new managers in to treat them that way.

    First here is a little ditty you should memorize:

    Work is like a tree full of monkeys.
    If you are on top you look down and see nothing but smiling faces.
    If you are on the bottom you look up and see nothing but assholes about to shit on you.
    If you are on the top and things go bad you have a golden parachute so the landing is positively pleasant.
    If you are on the bottom when the monkey above you knocks you out of the free you break your fucking ass.

    In the real world....here are some more realistic tips.

    Your objective as a manager is to exploit the people that work for you to the maximum extent possible. You want to get the most, and best quality work you can, for the least amount of money. The more you exploit out of them the more there is for you and your manager friends in ridiculous salaries, bonuses, lavish trips, perks, secretaries with special skills, expense accounts and options.

    Needless to say exploitation is a fine art. You need to exploit them just up to that invisible line where they will stop doing good work or quit. Though if they are expendable to you its OK if you push them until they quit so those people you can totally exploit. Fortunately most geeks are dumb and you can push them reaaalllllly far before they get pissed off and do something about it.

    If the job market is tight you can ratchet up the exploitation.

    If you value the employee you need to throw them just enough bones to make them think they are getting something. For example:

    - When you work them 80 hour week death marches give them a small fraction of the uncompensated overtime off after you ship and before you start the next death march. Don't give them all of it back because then you have a gigantic hole in your next schedule and you look weak and like a chump to the managers above you.

    - Give them a 1000 stock options, though this doesn't work as well as it used to when stock options were free candy. Make sure the options are priced at a point where there will have to be a major surge in the stock price for them to be worth anything. Also don't tell them that they are probably going to get laid off before they vest. Don't tell them all the managers get 100 times more options priced at pennies on the dollar and they will be worth buckets of money even if the managers tank the company and the stock price.

    - Make out like what a great favor you are doing for even giving them the measly health plan and the IRA.

    - If your company is tanking a quarter don't give any of your employees any raises or bonuses, in fact claw back any benefits you can. Have an all hands and give them a speech about the need for sacrifice. Don't tell them that the managers are in fact giving back nothing and are in fact still making out like bandits on bonuses, options and perks. If some employee, fed up with your sweatshop, challenges you on the subject, lie and then lay that employee off. That will encourage everyone else to shut up.

    Might have a few more later.

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  21. Re:Must Read by Phoe6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    First off, I'd suggest buying "Seven Habits of Highly Successful People", and NOT read it. Burn it, it's a great symbolic gesture. (*) This document does so not so much by answering the question, but by making it painfully obvious to the questioner that we don't have a clue to what the answer is. -Linus Benedict Torvalds

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  22. Re:Pretty Ironic... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Funny

    As a manager, I find that I am having to balance the carrot and the stick, so that I can get the job done, but without killing my people.

    <nit>You use the stick to hold the carrot.</nit>
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    "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  23. How about... by tsanth · · Score: 2, Funny

    36 of D?

  24. Re:Pretty Ironic... by |<amikaze · · Score: 3, Funny


    Depends on the context... You could throw the employees a carrot, and then beat them with the stick :D