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Survey Says Internet Users Confuse Search Results, Ads

irishdaze writes "ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference between actual search results and advertisements. In addition to this astounding conclusion, the Pew Internet and American Life Project's survey of 2,200 adults (only 1,399 of which are actual internet users, mind you) also indicates that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities."

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  1. How could anyone be confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google puts the search results in colored boxes, and the ads are all in black and white.

    1. Re:How could anyone be confused? by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Informative

      "How could anyone be confused?"

      These are the same people who don't read the words "legal document" on the top of an EULA before clicking through, who click "Yes" when some random page asks to be their homepage, and whose desktop is continually literally with spyware.

    2. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Knights+who+say+'INT · · Score: 3, Funny

      The same people who type "literally" when they mean "littered"?

    3. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Mistlefoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is also a "phone survey". Asking someone whether or not they know the difference is not the same as them knowing the difference.

    4. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really? All the cheap AdWords ads (say, on a search for "linux") are in the exact same color scheme as the non-sponsored links.

      Google used to put all the sponsored links against colored backgrounds, but they now reserve the special backgrounds for the larger and more expensive ads. Perhaps they want the consumer to believe that the sponsored links are very similar to the unsponsored ones. ...nah, that'd be evil and Google can't be evil.

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    5. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are no "sponsored links that are displayed without colored backgrounds or physical separation from the search results." I never claimed as such in my original post.

      There are, however, sponsored links that are displayed in the same color scheme as the ordinary search results. Because the sponsored links look so similar to the genuine search result links, they may be confusing to the consumer. The only indication that the links are "sponsored" is a line of grey text.

      I believe that Google phased out the colored-background links for ordinary AdWords for two reasons: (1) to get advertisers to pay more for what they had been getting for free, and (2) because end users would easily confuse the similarly-colored sponsored links with general search results.

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    6. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Squidbait · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, having worked quite a bit as a computer instructor teaching adults to use the web, I can say that this has absolutely been true in my experience. I constantly have to point out the difference between ads, even really obvious ones, and search results.

      I think the problem is that the average person does not understand or think about the economic relationships of websites, eg the fact that ads help pay for free websites. Most of the time they have no idea who is providing a website or why - they just think "the computer" gives it to them.

    7. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got called for this poll, I think. I was asked "Do you know what's the difference between search results and an advertisement?" I said "No" but the guy never delivered the punchline, so after a few days of thinking about it I figured it must have been a poll.

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    8. Re:How could anyone be confused? by webplummer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd agree with this and take it a step further. Many users don't separate the concepts of computer and internet. They say things like "I had my web open" or "I closed my internet," when they mean they closed their IE window. So they don't make a distinction between the internet as a resource and the application used to access it. Thusly most users don't think they have another option to access the web. I would posit that this is where many virus problems come from. Users think they're safe from viruses and malware if the "internet is closed,' meaning they don't have a browser window opened. Problem is, the computer is still connected to the internet and they're still using IE to view web pages. How does one re-educate the using public about the relationship between computer, user and internet? In one sense, they should think of them as closely related and users are increasingly being encouraged to think of it all as one experience. In another sense, users should be aware of the internet as a vast library of information with many different ways of accessing it. Think average Joe users know about or would understand an RSS reader now that the IE experience is indelibly linked to the idea of "my internet?" I think not.

  2. Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by froggero1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It may also have to do with the fact that when these adults are surfing the pron, they dont really care what's an ad or a website, so long as it has boobs

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    1. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I dunno...I think it says the average person, is an idiot. And, if you've ever had to work retail or food service while growing up...this will confirm that this is true. And NOT just with computer use...

      :-)

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    2. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by anonicon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I think it says the average person, is an idiot."

      Yes-indeedee, you are correct. Hopefully, with the proliferation of braindead, thought-numbing programming like "Survivor," "Who's My Daddy," and "The Bachelorette," more marginal cases will slide down the tube that precludes them from ever having to think critically, thus freeing up salary and promotion space for the rest of us.

      >;-)

    3. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are assuming that the people doing the promoting will themselves be smart enough to spot the people worth promoting.

    4. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by LuxFX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      more marginal cases will slide down the tube that precludes them from ever having to think critically, thus freeing up salary and promotion space for the rest of us

      Unfortunately, nepotism turns a blind eye to ability. There will always be braindead idiots in high-ranking places, as long as they have family and friends in high-ranking places.

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    5. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hopefully, with the proliferation of braindead, thought-numbing programming like "Survivor," "Who's My Daddy," and "The Bachelorette," more marginal cases will slide down the tube that precludes them from ever having to think critically, thus freeing up salary and promotion space for the rest of us.

      The problem is that there are more of those kinds of people, and they will gradually take more and more of your earnings away through taxes to cover social programs for themselves.

      Ph34r the tyranny of the [dumb] majority.

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  3. Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Some+guy+named+Chris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    92% of web searchers

    Dude, relax. They are saying they interviewed 2200 adults. A certain percentage of those reported they were web searchers (probably somewhere near that 1399 number you quoted). Then, of that number, 90% of THEM feel confident in their own searching abilities.

    In other words, nothing to see here, move along. Still, it's more fun to blame Pew than your own analytical skills.

    1. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


      Yeah but Michael accepted the story. "irishdaze" is probably one of Roland Piquepalle's nom de plumes...

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    2. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah but the survey went:

      Are u on teh intarweb?

      is google teh l337x0r?

      A/S/L?

      Is Micro$0ft teh ghey?

  4. Survey Says... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    "ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference between actual search results and advertisements.

    <Homer>Woo hoo! Finally above average! Take that Marilyn vos Savant!</Homer>

    92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities.

    Other useful stats:

    38% believe Prince Magumbe Obada of Nigeria has $14,000,000 to share with them

    56% believe that penis pills really work.

    29% believe they have just updated their PayPal or bank account safely and securely

    91% believe all that harddrive activity and bandwidth usage is Microsoft Windows ensuring their computer is safe and secure

    44% believe the moon is still made of green cheese and the landings were staged in a warehouse in El Segundo

    76% believe everything they read on the internet, which doesn't challenge their moral values, is true, the rest is all crap

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    1. Re:Survey Says... by aslate · · Score: 2, Funny

      "What do you mean "Is the cable plugged in?" of course it is. Oh, wait..."
      *Phone goes dead*

  5. only 2200? by TheQwe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that sounds like a very small chunk of adults to perform such a study on.

    1. Re:only 2200? by Anarchos · · Score: 3, Informative

      National surveys typically have 1500 participants, which will yield a respectable margin of error of about 3%. If you read the article, it states at the bottom that the 1399 internet users who responded gives a margin of error of 3%. It's rare to find a national survey will a smaller margin of error.

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    2. Re:only 2200? by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Though the larger the sample the more valid the statiscal results.

      Of course these things are innately biased. Would you answer a phone survey? So who would? Perhaps gullible idiots?

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    3. Re:only 2200? by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This is a not bad sample size at all. Statistics 101 goes into such things.

      One serious problem is that this is not a random sample. It's only a sample of that portion of the population willing to answer telephone surveys - not a group I would want to base important decisions on.

      A second problem is that we don't know how many surveyed just make up answers at random. The 90-year-old cross-dressing skate boarders from Baton Rouge are particularly into this.

    4. Re:only 2200? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wikipedia has a good, reasonably technical article on the subject.

      Basically, the trick is that when you're looking at more than a few thousand people, you can effectively treat them as infinite. Obviously you can't sample _everybody_ from an infinite number, but assuming you can sample randomly (and that's a big if), you can get a reasonably good approxiation with a fairly small sample size.

      If you think about it, it doesn't seem too unreasonable. If you have an infinite sock drawer with 90% black and 10% blue socks, pull out 100 lousy socks and you'll get around 90 black and 10 blue socks. Even if you get 85 black and 15 blue, or 95 black and 5 blue, you're getting a pretty good idea of what's in the drawer.

      That's from an infinite number of socks. The point is that it doesn't matter how many people there are, the quality of your sample isn't proportional to it. It's proportional to the number of people you actually sample. Generally, the formula people use is 1/sqrt(N), where N is the number of people you sample. For N=2,200, the error is only +/- 2%. Don't ask me to derive the formula; it's too hard to explain here. I'm just trying to convince you that the sample size is reasonable, as long as they're sampling randomly.

      Of course, if your sample isn't random, the only way to ensure proper results is to sample _everybody_. Even interviewing half the people won't tell you squat; if all the black socks are on the left of the drawer and you pull from the right you'll think you have 100% blue socks no matter how many you sample. So the trick isn't getting a large enough sample; it's getting a random enough sample. Ensure randomness and you'll get a good picture even with only a thousand people.

  6. Because by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. People don't pay that much attention to to what they are reading.

    For example, re-read this post. Carefully.

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    1. Re:Because by supergiovane · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sorry, I don't understand. Exactly, what's wrong with with your post?

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    2. Re:Because by seanvaandering · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Has it ever occured that due to information overload on the Internet that people now speed read just about everything they see? I do, and had to re-read your comment again just to to see the second 'to'. ;)

    3. Re:Because by bcattwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reading slashdot while noticing every grammar and spelling error would be a painful exercise indeed.

    4. Re:Because by rah1420 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.

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    5. Re:Because by murphyslawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there was a follow up a few days later where it was discovered that simply reversing the order of the internal letters in the words would again render them difficult to read. Jsut thguoht I'd pniot taht out, bsuacee I fnoud it initseretng.

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    6. Re:Because by RetroGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it's because we have excellent signal processors attached to our eyes, and are able to correct simple errors like that before it gets out of our language centers and into the rest of our brain.

      Which is why I do proofreading backwards. It is much easier to to catch errors reading backwards:

      backwards reading errors catch to to easier much is It

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    7. Re:Because by Cookie3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please mod the parent off-topic, overrated and/or uninsightful.

      First of all, it's not a real research project at any real university. Secondly, the 'trick' to this appears to have more to do with numbers and powers than anything else:

      The vast majority of English words are 4-6 letters long, in dictionary form. By subtracting the first and last letter, we're typically left with 2! (2), 3! (6) or 4! (24) possible word orders. Our brains simply search until a rough match is found.

      Context may also provide a clue as to what the proper response should be.

      Additionally, lengthier words tend to have predictable prefix/suffix morphology (pre-, astro-, dis-, -ed, -ing, -ally, etc). Because we are told that these patterns are correct, our brains tend to gravitate towards them when decyphering scrambled words.

      It's trivial, BTW, to produce sentences that fool the brain into mixing up words -- sometimes providing results that don't end with the same letter or that aren't the same length.

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  7. Quite true. by LordPixie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sad that you actually had to explain that. Depressing that this is the sort of thing that makes it onto the front page. I feel like I'm watching one of those shittacular closed-circuit news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.


    --LordPixie

    1. Re:Quite true. by govtcheez · · Score: 5, Funny

      I feel like I'm watching one of those shittacular closed-circuit news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.

      "Oh my god, and in the news today, CmdrTaco reposted a story about Linux and I saw Hemos cheating on his girlfriend after third period! What a total slut! OK, now here's CowboyNeal with today's lunch menu!"

    2. Re:Quite true. by autophile · · Score: 2, Funny
      I feel like I'm watching one of those shittacular closed-circuit news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.

      Actually, I liked that show, "Animals Close-Up with a Wide-Angle Lens Wearing Hats".

      --Rob

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  8. Not so surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I keep hearing it quoted that 80% of people think they're above-average drivers, too. People who are complete idiots never seem to realise how bad they are at things.

  9. reminds me by fearanddread · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Reminds me of that Cisco spoof commercial that was something along the lines of:

    "This year more people used the internet than there are people."

  10. submitter is confused by Anarchos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "When I do the math, 92% of 2200 is 2024. This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet. Saying that something is wrong here just doesn't cover it."

    The article says "92% of web searchers" not 92% of the respondents. Only 1399 respondents used the internet, and it is possible that some of those don't do web searches. The submitter of this article is an idiot.

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  11. you insensitive clod ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    you can afford a colour monitor. the rest of us see all black-and-white on google. Not everyone can afford a colour monitor, Mr "I have Color Screen and my Keyboard has a Shift Key: Nyaaa!".

    1. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everything is shades of green to me.

    2. Re:you insensitive clod ! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, when I was a kid, all we had was gears and sprockets. I mean, how the hell do you tell color on gears and sprockets? Loading a 1k web page took the better part of a week and forty tons of coal. Then some f*cker invented Javascript.

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    3. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Cmdr+TECO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, black-and-white monitors are now prohibitively expensive, due to lack of demand. This is unfortunate for two reasons. First, monochrome monitors don't suffer from colour fringing from dot beating or misconvergence. Second, if common video cards supported greyscale displays, we could have, roughly speaking, better resolution by a factor of sqrt(3) for the same price. In return for sharp 200dpi text I'd gladly leave behind cartoonish GUI "features" and even make do with greyscale pr0ns.

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    4. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Wes+Janson · · Score: 3, Funny

      In return for sharp 200dpi text I'd gladly leave behind cartoonish GUI "features" and even make do with greyscale pr0ns.

      Maybe *YOU* would.. *shudder*

      Freak! Monochromatophile! Prevert!

  12. Google by StevenHenderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apparently Google's clear spelling out of "Sponsored Links" is not clear enough for some id10+s...

  13. Goal ... IS... to Mix Ads and Search Results by reporter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    At the risk of sounding crass, I think that the goal is to mix advertisements and search results. When the user cannot easily distinguish the two, then she will accidentally click on the advertisement and see the product hawked by the seller paying for the ad. The seller actually benefits from this confusion, and the search engine company (SEC) also benefits because more clicks on the advertisement means more revenue for the SEC.

    Given such a win for the seller and the SEC, there will be little motivation to fix this problem of confusion.

  14. Pew research by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet.

    What do you expect from an organization that did a telephone survey to determine the effectiveness of telephone surveys?

    The best part was that they determined afterwards that most people answer their phones, don't screen survey calls, etc. Do they live in some kind of alternate reality?

    That said, I see several reasons for the results- a)people not understanding the questions (such as responding to "have you used the internet" as if it was actually "do you have internet access at home"...people do this all the time) b)lying to fit in ("Oh sure, I have the Intraweb! Yeah, I know how to use it!"), or c)lying just to fuck with the results (like we used to do in high school with the anonymous drug surveys. "PCP?" "Oh no, I prefer cocaine, that PCP stuff will fuck you up." "You're both full of it, I like Speed"...is a sample of the lunchtime conversation on survey-day).

  15. It takes so little to be above average,,, by kale77in · · Score: 2

    In other news, 80% of the population consider themselves "above average" drivers.

    1. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In other news, 80% of the population consider themselves "above average" drivers.

      I once heard a study which claimed that the people who had the most accurate self-perception were depressed people. So does having an accurate perception of oneself make one depressed or vice versa? It made a lot of sense, though. The world sucks a lot of the time, and maybe the only way you can deal with it is to go through life thinking things are better than they really are.

      Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that, because I have excellent internet skills, I'm a great driver, and I'm irresistable to the chicks.

      thank god for Prozac!

    2. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 4, Informative

      people who had the most accurate self-perception were depressed people

      Maybe you're thinking of this paper: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments. Good reading. Not that it applies to me, or anything.

      Eric
      Why Vioxx is like Prozac for lawyers
    3. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by razmaspaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually read a study that said 80% believe they are in the top 5% of drivers. I'm convinced that the actual top 5% are not in that 80%. What I mean is that one of the major components of being a good driver is thinking that you are a not so good driver, and KNOWING that everyone around you is just as bad.

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  16. Search Engines don't know the difference either. by yorkpaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More interesting is the fact that search engines can't tell the difference between commercial sites and informative sites. When I search for something I rarely want to hear the manufacturers spiel on that product, I want real first person accounts. Search engines seem to have no idea of the difference between a review and and advertisement. It can't be that hard. Search for a hard drive review. 90% of the search results have the exact same text (all stores which are selling the product), very few results come bac that objectively review the product. The sites that do objectively review the product don't say the exact same thing that the manufacturer says. hello Google?

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  17. Survey finds that people are stupid. by yet+another+coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do surveys ever reveal anything else?

  18. Brand loyalty by saddino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The finding shows that 44% of web searchers (ahem) use only one search engine. That's amazing in and of itself and probably brings tears of joy to the current market leaders (read: Google). It looks like it's going to take some more intense search engine advertising (a la Yahoo!'s old TV campaign) to get people to consider trying something new.

  19. There's rumors on the internets.. by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...that search results are confusing!!!1!!

    Any1 other AOLer hear bout this?!! message me if you know!

    k THX BYE

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  20. The survey is absolutely right by RebornData · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I advertise my consulting business using Adwords, and many of my clients have no idea that they clicked on a paid advertisement to get to me. I know this because I always ask how they found me. I've even had several inquire how I got my website ranked so highly on google... when I tell them that it's not, that they clicked on a paid ad, they often tell me I'm wrong! I had a client last week that *insisted* my site was in the free results, which I know is not the case for the keywords she claimed she used.

    Of course, I'm not complaining...

    -R

    1. Re:The survey is absolutely right by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some search engines are inserting paid results into the natural listings. I haven't found anyone that admits to it, but I know at least one major engine that is.

      Google is not that engine. One of the services my company has started selling is Adwords consulting. Anyone can set up an Adwords campaign, but not everyone is savvy enough to understand how it works and run a successful keyword campaign. One of our clients definitely isn't savvy - so we're helping them do this. It's not a huge budget.

      A friend of mine works for a company in Chicago that does this kind of thing on a much larger scale - millions of dollars in budget with major corporations. It's amazing how much work they put into tracking and reporting. It's not cheap.

      This is a huge business for some folks, and while you can spend a lot on a website it means JACK SQUAT if you don't drive traffic and increase conversions.

  21. Re:Search Engines don't know the difference either by jratcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you tried, say, searching for "doo-hickey REVIEW." Might be more likely to actually get you a review.

  22. Google will be bothered by this eventually by aaron240 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sometimes it seems like even Google's wonderful AdWords program is fragile...especially it's business model.

    As soon everyone figures out Google's text ads, *are* ads, Web advertising will get kicked down another notch.

    Text ad blindness can't follow too far behind banner blindness, can it?

  23. Re:Misinterpretation by man_ls · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd say I'm quite the power user (hey, I'm posting here on /., aren't I?) and I deliberately *don't* differentiate between advertisements and search result pages when searching for tangible goods.

    Why?

    Oftentimes the "Sponsored Links" are more to-the-point with what I want to buy than searching out a vendor and clicking through their site.

  24. Re:Americans by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2

    You can't say that 80% of Americans are dumb. Give us SOME credit. Only 51% of American voters chose Bush! That makes use mostly dumb, not almost entirely dumb.

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  25. This is the whole point of Adwords though by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I advertise my consulting business using Adwords, and many of my clients have no idea that they clicked on a paid advertisement to get to me. I know this because I always ask how they found me. I've even had several inquire how I got my website ranked so highly on google... when I tell them that it's not, that they clicked on a paid ad, they often tell me I'm wrong! I had a client last week that *insisted* my site was in the free results, which I know is not the case for the keywords she claimed she used.

    Why is this a problem? People search for information and they get links about companies which provide products and/or services which may help them. They may also get general inforamtion in the free results. Now, ideally, the ads should be worded such to make them clearly commerce-related, and they are different enough that someone who knows the difference can spot them. But from a user's perspective, what's the difference? Iether way, they are finding what they are looking for (hopefully).

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  26. What ads? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Informative
    Be confused no more. Add this to your userContent.css file. Anyone have entries for other search engines that use text ads?
    /* Remove ads from Google search results */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://www.google.com/) {
    table[width="25%"][align="right"][bgColor="#ffffff "] {
    display: none ! important
    }
    }

    /* Remove ads from Froogle */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://froogle.google.com/) {
    td[valign="top"][width="20%"][align="right"] > table {
    display: none ! important
    }
    }

    /* Remove ads from Gmail */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://gmail.google.com/gmail) {
    #rh table[class="metatable"] {
    display: none !important;
    }
    #rh div[class="c"] {
    display: none !important;
    }
    }

    /* Remove ads from Google Groups */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://groups-beta.google.com/) {
    /* Remove ads from Google Groups message detail view */
    table[id="rn"] {
    display: none ! important
    }
    /* Remove ads from Google Groups search results */
    table[width="200"][align="right"] {
    display: none ! important
    }
    }
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    1. Re:What ads? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 2, Informative

      The @-moz-document url-prefix() statements will only work on Mozilla 1.8a3 and above. I'm pretty sure they'll make it into Firefox 1.1. As for Safari, you'd have to try it out and maybe remove the @-moz-document url-prefix() parts. The stylesheet should work on anything that is supporting CSS3 selectors.

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  27. Search engines need warning labels! by scotay · · Score: 2

    "Results may contain ads."
    "Do not eat search results."
    "Search results may not be used for personal hygiene."

  28. Not so surprised... by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even self-proclaimed 'expert' users sometimes amaze me with their search results. One SysAdmin I know had an idea for a product that he was going to build with a friend of his. He drew me pictures, gave an outline of expected profits. He said that he'd done quite a bit of searching on the Net and couldn't find any competition. I thought that was odd and sat at his terminal and within a few minutes, found nine companies selling almost exactly the product he'd described on both sides of the Atlantic, from basic to luxury with a wide range of prices. He promptly gave up the idea. (Perhaps I should have charged consultancy?)

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  29. You think? by dswensen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Survey Says Internet Users Confuse Shit, Shinola

    Survey Says Internet Users Confuse Ass, Hole in the Ground

    Survey Says Internet Users Unaware Bears Shit in Woods

    Survey Says Internet Users Unable to Find Own Head with Both Hands, Flashlight

    Survey Says Internet Users Approximately as Smart as Submarine Screen Door, Rubber Crutch, Solar-Powered Flashlight

  30. Re:Search Engines don't know the difference either by cortana · · Score: 2, Informative

    All I get then is "buy doohickey at dealtime.com" type sites. :)

  31. Survey methodology flawed by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The fact that the survey was conducted by phone makes me wary of the results.

    For one thing, most people have a very hard time talking about the elements of computer interfaces. As someone who works on web interface development for clients, time and time again people will look at a comp, then when discussing the comp from memory will miss vital aspects of the comp or have a difficult time describing which elements of the comp they want altered and why.

    This is a case where observed use would provide much better insight into how people interact with paid search ads. It's like the difference between focus group recommendations and usability testing results. Almost always there are differences between what people say they want when you're talking about it on the phone and what they actually want when they're sitting in front of a computer.

    Also, I find it annoying that they didn't break the results out by engine. Not all paid advertising is set aside in the same fashion, and my guess is that results would vary by engine. The Pew folks likely have their reasons for keeping the results aggregated, but it also makes the information less valuable, because it doesn't reveal what specific aspects of advertiser identification work and which don't.

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  32. Re:Why? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Simple question. Why block these ads?
    For a handful of reasons:

    After discovering that Mozilla had added the ability to have style be limited to certain URLs I wanted more practice with CSS and fixing issues with web sites that bother me or make it difficult for me to read them. The first thing I fixed was the message display in the new Google Groups. I was annoyed that they had changed the display of message bodies from a monospaced font to a proportional font. I'm a shell script junkie so this change had made scripts and code snippets in Usenet postings hard to read. Google Groups has an algorithm to check each line to see if it should be monospaced or not but it usually makes things worse. So I coooked up this:
    /* Display messages on google groups in monospaced font */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://groups-beta.google.com/) {
    DIV[class=mbody] {
    font-family: monospace ! important;
    font-size: medium;
    }
    DIV[class=mbody] pre {
    margin: 0 ! important;
    font-size: medium;
    }
    /* 100% width for search results */
    .r {
    width: 100% !important
    }
    }
    After that was done I realized that the ads on the Google Groups search results overlapped the search results themselves. It problem doesn't help that I have an poor vision, even with glasses, and have to use a 20pt font just to be able to read things. The ads overlapping my search results were hindering me reading the information that I needed. So I removed those.

    Wanting to work on something more challenging I decided to try and remove the ads from all of the Google sites that I use. Google doesn't use stylesheets everywhere so I had to learn more about CSS3 selectors and try to isolate the elements that contained the ads.

    Anyway, I don't feel bad about this at all. The ads don't contribute to my online experience; In fact, they take away from it as they are just more information that I must scan with my eyes and process. Better to remove them altogether. Removing them also has the benefit that I have more of my screen real-estate back like with the Google Groups search results. At my font size, some web pages can get pretty cramped.

    Last, and this might sound silly, but after living on the Eastern US for many years and then moving to the San Francisco bay area, I was surprised to notice that there are no billboards on the sides of the roads, save for some large cities like San Francisco itself. This made me have a new appreciation for an ad-free environment. It's so nice to be able to see and enjoy the beautiful scenery around here without having that view interrupted by someone trying to sell me something. Since then I've noticed that I'm advertised to constantly. I receive junk mail in my regular mailbox, spam in my email boxes, telemarketing calls, ads on the radio, ads on the TV, ads that I can't skip before movies on DVDs that I bought, ads in the theatre before I watch a movie, ads in magazines, ads in newspapers, etc. It's relentless and overwhelming.

    At least I can do something about it. I use spamassassin and milter-sender on my mail server. I put my address on the DMA no-mail list. I put my address on the list to not allow credit checks by credit card companies. I put my phone number on the do-not-call list. And if I can weed out the ads on web sites then I'll do that too. I use the same policy with web ads as I do spam. My browser, my rules. Just because it's on your page doesn't mean you can dictate how or what part of it is shown to me.

    Meanwhile, I'm having a blast with style sheets and the URL limiting in Mozilla. It's really enriched my browsing experience.
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  33. Re:Why? by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The ads don't contribute to my online experience;

    If you use Google, then the ads are contributing to your online experience. If they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to use Google.

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