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Earthlink Teams Up With SK-Telecom

An anonymous reader writes "In a press release issued today, EarthLink, Inc and SK Telecom (Korea's leading mobile communications company) announced a definitive agreement to form a joint venture to market wireless voice and data services in the U.S called SK-Earthlink Hopefully this means we here in the US will finally get some of those cool phones we hear so much about in other countries..."

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  1. This could be Huge by EggMan2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here is a snip from the press release that is really exciting. I used to read Justin's Links and was always facinated by the features and funtions of mobile tech in Asia. I know there will could be a wave of enthusiastic early adopters. Especially if SK-Earthlink launches well in big cities.



    "The wireless and Internet worlds are colliding, and neither will be the same again," said EarthLink founder and director Sky Dayton who will serve as chief executive officer of the SK-EarthLink joint venture. "In South Korea, kids on the street are using their mobile phones to listen to music, watch TV, videoconference, locate their friends, and access the Internet--as well as make voice calls--as opposed to the U.S. where the mobile experience is primarily about talking on the phone. Americans are living in the past. Utilizing emerging 3G networks and harnessing the explosive growth of Wi-Fi, SK-EarthLink will take the wireless experience in the U.S. to a new level."


    I agree that Americans are living in the past, with the small exteptions of the T-Mobile Sidekick and the N-Gage the vast majority of mobile phone users or just talking or texting.

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    1. Re:This could be Huge by bugbeak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that Americans are living in the past, with the small exteptions of the T-Mobile Sidekick and the N-Gage the vast majority of mobile phone users or just talking or texting.

      Maybe that's because that's all Americans need?

    2. Re:This could be Huge by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1
      Here! Here!

      I just want a nice phone to TALK on. The picture-phone thing is OK, but just give me amazing coverage and good audio quality.

      I don't want (or need) my phone to do anything else.

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    3. Re:This could be Huge by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree that Americans are living in the past, with the small exteptions of the T-Mobile Sidekick and the N-Gage the vast majority of mobile phone users or just talking or texting.
      It's been said before, and I'm sure I won't be the last to say it, but the "cool phones" we hear about, and are all jealous of, won't sell big in the US market.

      I remember when the first MP3 phones came out in the US at about the same time they came out in Japan. In Japan, they sold like hotcakes. In the US, nobody bought them. Why? Because nobody in the US was willing to shell out an extra $300 for a phone just because it has the ability to play MP3's (The ones I saw were around $450). So, the phone companies learned their lessons, and inroduces older models from Japan when the cost of manufacturing them goes down (And the Japanese don't want them anymore).

      So why do the Japanese want such phones? In Japan a cell phone is a status symbol. Having a new phone means you're important, and status in Japan is everything. Couple that with the fact that most people have significantly more disposable income since people live with their parents for much longer, and you've got people willing to pay much more than Americans for a phone, as long as it has the new and flashy gadgets. It's nothing special or amazing, and neither is 'better' than the other, it's just a difference in the markets.

      Besides, how many times have you hear people pining for a cell phone that was JUST a cell phone?
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    4. Re:This could be Huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Japan a cell phone is a status symbol. Having a new phone means you're important, and status in Japan is everything.

      I think a cell phone is a status symbol for a lot of people in the US too. Back when cell phones were still "car phones", A friend was working for US Cellular, and was frequently asked if they could keep the antenna for their car.

      Heck, most people get the belt clips for their phones so they can show everyone that they are important.

    5. Re:This could be Huge by peragrin · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>couple that with the fact that most people have significantly more disposable income since people live with their parents for much longer, and you've got people willing to pay much more than Americans

      You right but for the wrong reasons. in Japan Housing is expensive. A $100,000 house in the US is worth several million in Japan. The majority of the people live in small apartments. In the US it's common to have parties in your own home. In Japan it's common to have parties in specific restraunts, because of space.

      You live at home because it's the only way to afford to live.

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    6. Re:This could be Huge by kokoloko · · Score: 1

      So you're saying they have more disposable income because housing is so expensive?

    7. Re:This could be Huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep.

      The GP's parent had it right. People live with their parents longer, and thus have more disposable income. The GP was just elaborating that they live with their parents longer because housing is much more expensive.

    8. Re:This could be Huge by pseudolus · · Score: 1
      Besides, how many times have you hear people pining for a cell phone that was JUST a cell phone?

      Personally, I like my technology to do one thing and do it well (see iPod, the). I don't need a low-res camera inside my phone when my pocket-size Canon can do a much better job. If my cell phone can make calls without dropping them, allow me to hear the other person and vice versa, maybe store a few hundred phone numbers and names, then I'm a happy camper.

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    9. Re:This could be Huge by freepizza · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. I am a Korean-American who lived first half of my life in Korea and last half in America. Lifestyle in Korea is very different from here.

      The biggest difference has got to be that Koreans spend a lot of time walking on the streets and using public transportations. Whereas in the states, people have their own cars and they drive themselves. So it explains why phones with mp3 capability are popular in Korea... so they can listen to music while walking, on the bus or on the subway train. It keeps them entertained while going from one place to another. In the states, people can just listen to music in their own cars.
      And of course, you wouldn't want to watch tv or have videoconference on your phone while driving.

      First thing I noticed when I came to the states was I barely saw people walking on the streets. It seemed so weird to me at the time...

      I hardly doubt that this will go big in the states...

    10. Re:This could be Huge by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's because that's all Americans need?

      No, because obviously Americans have to be told what they need. The man on the magic picture box in my living room said so!

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    11. Re:This could be Huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Maybe that's because that's all Americans need?

      640K was enough for you, wasn't it?

    12. Re:This could be Huge by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      A $100,000 house in the US is worth several million in Japan. The majority of the people live in small apartments.

      This is a racist statement that is not really true. Did you read this someplace, or have you actually been to Japan? I think you read it someplace.

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    13. Re:This could be Huge by torpor · · Score: 1


      looks like sky, ol' boy, has brought the boingo boots back to earthlink.

      how weird it is to see him blathering on about wireless, duh. point a. but then, 'wireless in asia'... umm.. yeah, sky, the US is behind. point b. asia rocks the techno ass, dude.

      i truly hope SK-earthlink has some decent manufacturing principles in its portfolio, anyway, and not just pretty-logo's screen-printed on things.

      if you want to give americans a boost in the techno pants, give them their own, american-made-cheap, hardware ... and put your formidable blowhard marketing skills behind it.

      trust me, your economy needs it, wormy boy ... this 'making squillions on service' game is for pants. you're getting trounced.

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    14. Re:This could be Huge by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It used to be a status symbol, for certain classes of people, in the US. I don't think it is anymore, or at least not nearly as much.

      I remember 10 years or so ago when people bought fake cellphones, and actually talked into them while sitting in traffic in their car. They also had fake antennas for cellphones.

    15. Re:This could be Huge by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Heck, I used to have a free voice phone, but it got stolen. I replaced it with a free (after rebates, which I got none of) camera phone (because it could also do data), and the signal and audio quality is BETTER (esp. signal). I actually didn't care about the camera, FWIW. Battery could be better, but if I plug it in every night, I'm fine.

    16. Re:This could be Huge by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Okay it's not quite, but it's not racist but based on space.

      Japan has a large population on a small land mass. the united states could double it's population, and the only thing that would be a pain is food, and personalities.

      the statement was relative for value of property. At least in NY the trend is for large 2500-4000 square foot(232 m2-370 m2) Homes For a family of 4.

      My friends first house is 1700sq feet (158 m2) He paid $80,000 for it. Let's see how much it is in japan. www.japanhomesearch.com Let's see, it's tough to buy a house but let's go with rental, at price. We pay ~$700 a month. The search in both city and non city area shows prices between 250,000 yen - 800,000yen a month. Or roughly $2500 - $5000 a month in rent.

      Before you call someone a racist, check your facts. we pay $700 a month for 1700sq, a house We did pay pay $700 a month for a 1000,sq apartment, 1700 sq feet of apartment in japan is going to cost $2500-$3500 a month or 4-5 times the price in the US. Note prices vary by location, but it will still be relative.

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    17. Re:This could be Huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here! Here!

      "Hear! Hear!".

    18. Re:This could be Huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a racist statement that is not really true.

      Bullshit. It may be a "nationist" statement, but it certainly isn't racist. OTOH, assuming that all Japanese are oriental and that all Americans are caucasion (as you seem to have done) is racist.

  2. Best features I've seen... by NerdBuster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can't wait to get a phone with a coffee maker and microwave that washes my windows while vacuuming the carpet before doing the dishes!!

  3. Re:i want huhuirc on my phone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://pbx.mine.nu/huhuirc/
    sorry about the broken link

  4. How 'bout the shoe phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they have the Inspector Gadget shoe phone? If so, would we really want? It might cut down on phone use while driving...

    1. Re:How 'bout the shoe phone? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Do they have the Inspector Gadget shoe phone? If so, would we really want? It might cut down on phone use while driving...

      Inspector Gadget had the hand phone where he pulled the antennae out of his thumb and spoke into his pinky. It was a little spiraly thing if I remember correctly. "Get Smart" had the shoe phone.

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  5. No crippled stuff please... by bugbeak · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they won't cripple any features, unlike someone else and what they did with Bluetooth...

    1. Re:No crippled stuff please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies do what the market demands, so if stuff is crippled it's because the market demands it to be so.

    2. Re:No crippled stuff please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude you are absolutely retarded.

  6. Not available in all areas by greechneb · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    EarthLink will sell phone services using the networks of Sprint Corp. and Verizon Wireless, while SK Telecom will be a technical partner in the venture, the paper said, quoting an executive close to the deal.

    Unfortunately that means not in my neck of the woods

    1. Re:Not available in all areas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have access to Sprint or Verizon? Sounds like you should move out of the f'ing sticks, and quit comlaining.

    2. Re:Not available in all areas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHUT UP! Shut up, you stupid mother-fucking, urban-loving, streetwalker-soliciting asshole! You cum-drinking city people are all alike! You can't appreciate nature or solitude. You think that if it isn't paved over, it isn't worth anything. Just remember where your food comes from. If it weren't for farmers and others living in the "f'ing sticks", you ignorant cunts would starve. So YOU quit "comlaining", you "Late Night with Conan O'Brien"-masturbating-bear-fan-club-vice-president -stalking dickhead.

      Note: The above comment was meant to be informative, and was not meant to be offensive in any way. However, if, for some reason, you took offense, then get a thicker skin, cocksucker.

  7. Oh yeah by metlin · · Score: 1

    Just what we need. Hear yet another of those blokes talk out loud in public places and show off the cool features to the whole population.

    Not to mention those irritating ringtones.

    While the service may have its benefits, to imply that these would just mean cool phones is a tad disturbing, really.

  8. I'm surprised by denobug · · Score: 1

    Isn't Sprint kind of "owned" the Earthlink?

    1. Re:I'm surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

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    2. Re:I'm surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean "pwn3d"?

  9. Even in Britain... by milohanrahan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...we had affordable, widespread cross-network texting way before it was big in America. Strange.

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    1. Re:Even in Britain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We *Can* text cheaply in America, it's just that nobody cares.

      SMS gained popularity in Britain because it was cheaper than making an actual call half the time.

      In America, the calls themselves are cheap, with most providers having a bajillion minutes for $30 a month. Because of that, I doubt text messaging will ever be really popular in America...

    2. Re:Even in Britain... by flumps · · Score: 1

      I don't recall texting ever being "cheap" - 10p a text is quite alot, esp. when you can only convey 120 characters per text.

      Its popular, in my opinion, because its easy to say "I'll be there in 10 mins" quickly, ie you dont have to use the "pleasantries" of a phone call which can easily bulk out the time it takes to relay your message to someone.

      Efficiency, thats the key to why texting is popular in the UK IMHO. But then in America efficiency isn't really a byword in anything done there now is it? ;)

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    3. Re:Even in Britain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Efficiency, thats the key to why texting is popular in the UK IMHO. But then in America efficiency isn't really a byword in anything done there now is it? ;)
      Most phones don't hae a full keyboard, so it takes longer for most people to bring up the contact list, select a person, call, say hello, say "Be there in 10 minutes", say good byes, and hang up, rather than bringing them up, selecting text message, mashing 22-33-space-8-44-33-777-33-space-444-66-space-1111 -0-space-6-444-66-88-8-33-7777-send. At least, that's how it is for me.
    4. Re:Even in Britain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can text 30 words per minute.. and i know my mates girlfriend wrote a whole 3 page text in less than 2 ..

      Predictive texting helps some, I agree its fiddly but then I never used to be able to type fast either.

  10. Korea is a different frequency than the US by winkydink · · Score: 4, Informative

    CDMA, but different. Japan is totally different. If you're hoping to see neato features from either of those countries, it's unlikely. AT&T had some sort of partnership with DoCoMo that resulted in very little over here.

    The growth market in the US is GSM. CDMA (Verizon & Sprint) aren't going away but their market will erode over time as GSM coverage becomes more widespread.

    The biggest GSM feature in the rest of the world is SMS, which has never really taken off in the US the way it has elsewhere. This is primarily because the pricing structure in the US doesn't strongly favor using SMS over voice as it does in other parts of the world.

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    1. Re:Korea is a different frequency than the US by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Informative

      The key point here is price. SMSs are usually free or very very cheap compared to calls; here (Arg) everyone uses SMS regularly, instead of brief calls when needed. In that sense, i use my cellphone as a glorified pager most of the time.

    2. Re:Korea is a different frequency than the US by rbrome · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not. Korean CDMA is the same as US CDMA, and the lower band (800 MHz) is the same. You can actually use many Korean phones on Verizon's network if you know the right settings. And with a little hacked firmware, even the caller-ID and text messaging can be made to work.

      Now, the advanced features are incompatible, such as web, photo messaging, and video, but that's no different than Sprint vs. Verizon here in the U.S., and it's just a software issue. The basic CDMA protocol, and even the more advanced EV-DO protocol, are the same in both countries.

      And you're wrong about GSM overtaking CDMA. GSM and CDMA are both doing very well and will both continue to have huge market share into the forseeable future. Looking at the top-10 carriers, GSM only has about 60 million customers, while CDMA has over 80 million. With CDMA EV-DO beating the pants off GSM (and even first-gen WCDMA) in terms of data speed so far, I don't see CDMA fading away as you say.

    3. Re:Korea is a different frequency than the US by rbrome · · Score: 1

      ...sorry, I meant to note that my math on CDMA subscribers included Nextel customers, since they will be moved to Sprint's CDMA network following the merger of those companies. But CDMA still has more subscribers than GSM even not counting Nextel.

  11. Meh by hsmith · · Score: 1

    I have never been able to get into using a cell phone like that, mine sits in the cradle except for when i use it to call someone. Yeah I do think having mapquest on my cell is cool for when i get lost, but there is an overload.

    I hate speaker phones on cell phones, i want to choke nextel users whenever i see them rambling on their "touch to talk" phones. games on cell phones? never sitting still long enough to be using those. I would rather read a book then play a game on a damn phone. Amusing our selves to death.

    1. Re:Meh by ihavnoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is, there *do* exist people who do other things using cellphones. There are *a lot* of people who do many other things.

      I live in Korea, and actually I also use my phone only for phone calls and some text messages. However, I find that cellphone gaming is becoming a killer app over here. Unlike mp3s or any sort of video application, it doesn't require so much bandwith(download once' and you're done), it's cheap (somewhere around $3 per download, which you can play for any number of times), less piracy (compared to PCs or consoles), and many more advantages.

      It's easy to find cellphone game ads on cable TVs, and there even are models that claim to be 'phone for gamers'. There are many people who plays games with their cellphones on most public transportation.

  12. Re:Korea *shudder* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Spam originates in the US.

  13. Boycott SK-Telecom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once called tech support from Hanoi and they were extremely rude. Don't let that happen to you and therefore stay away from them!

    1. Re:Boycott SK-Telecom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hanoi is in Vietnam, not South Korea. Ignorant fucking American...

  14. Race Bigotry & the "Greatness" of Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To balance the "greatness" of Korea and its "wonderful" society, read this news that appeared on all the news wires, including AP, Reuters, and AFP in 2005 January. Korean companies like SK Telecom treat their foreign employees like fodder. These Koreans force the foreigners to work in windowless (!) rooms for 14+ hours while toxic fumes accumulate in the rooms.

    1. Re:Race Bigotry & the "Greatness" of Korea by peragrin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      >>These Koreans force the foreigners to work in windowless (!) rooms for 14+ hours while toxic fumes accumulate in the rooms.

      Ahh I see they learned the american trick for our india, and chinese employees.

      What goes around comes around.

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    2. Re:Race Bigotry & the "Greatness" of Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm a foreigner, and work for SK telecom. i can tell you i don't work in a windowless office, and i don't work 14+ hours a day (if i did, i think i would kill the nearest living thing).

      anyways, i think that SK's entrance into the US market could be a good thing for a small subset of people. obviously coverage is a big issue for all the carriers in the states, and some people are going to just want to use voice services. there are, however, enough people out there who are the early adopters and just need to have the newest gadgets. having access to new "cool" phones will definately entice people, but for those who live in markets with decent coverage and EV-DO networks might be the ones better off. SK has had a huge headstart over US carriers in regards to data services. the technology gap is about 2-3 years between the US and Korea when it comes to cellular services and networks. personally, i don't think i would use many of the new features that will be offered, but have a sneaking suspicion that there will be just enough people who need to have the "latest and greatest" in the states.

  15. How much will it cost? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Usually these services come with significant charges... Here in Greece we have the ability to use 3G phones to watch tv, but I don't even watch TV on my TV, why would I want to pay lots more to watch it on my mobile? Sure, there are many great services (email on the mobile through GPRS, accessing webpages using Opera), but most are not that useful considering the prices...

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  16. Ask a earthling... by Anonymous+Cowherd+X · · Score: 2, Funny

    SK-Earthlink sounds like ask a earthling... You're right, it should be ask an earthling, but when the Koreans pointed out the mistake their American counterparts at Earthlink just laughed and said: "Yah, right, now Koreans are gonna teach us American!" Maybe asking an earthling is not such a good idea...

    1. Re:Ask a earthling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What dweebs to miss an opportunity to name themselves SKNE-Earthlink (ask any earthling), now they can't use SKNE-Earthlink, we are the best as a slogan!

  17. pfff Phones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know we're supposed to keep it a secret from the americans, but we have flying cars now... with video phones.

  18. What about the children? by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

    You forgot the children...

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  19. Earthlink == Elron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way would I want to be giving money to the C[ult]o$!!!

  20. Americans Living in the Past by Thunderstruck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For all the commentary about "Americans" living in the past, few folks ever take culture or geography into account before they start slinging disparaging remarks. I urge all to consider the following:

    1. Citizens of most States* live in sparsely populated areas, areas where the introduction of ordinary cellular service is not even in place because there are simply too few customers to support it. (In fact, only a few miles from my home is a town which bears the honor of being the last municipality in the nation to get access to land-line service, just a few years ago.)

    2. In many States, electronic communication is considered impersonal and stand-offish. People are looking for more ways to engage in personal contact rather than through electronic means. This is one reason for 75mph speed limits.

    3. Another cultural issue is the common preference for different appliances to do one specific thing. There is a large market for multi-watt "bag-phones" that do not even handle text, in more rural areas. (Largely because you can't operate one of those new phones while wearing thick leather gloves and driving a truck with the window rolled down.)

    *The term "Citizens of most states" is used intentionally, rather than "Most Citizens of the States."

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    1. Re:Americans Living in the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In many States, electronic communication is considered impersonal and stand-offish. People are looking for more ways to engage in personal contact rather than through electronic means. This is one reason for 75mph speed limits.


      Huh? What does electronic communication have to do with speed limits?

    2. Re:Americans Living in the Past by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      If a person lives 100 miles away from the next town, and wants to keep in regular contact with me (like the folks in other states do with video phones) she can do so by driving faster. Less time in transit reduces the burden of regular contact by non-electronic means.

      The point, I guess, is that the demand for fancy electronic devices can be lowered in some states merely by changing the law.

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    3. Re:Americans Living in the Past by blew_fantom · · Score: 1

      while i can see that you want to make regular interpersonal contact with people, saying that the demand for fancy electronic devices can be lowered in some states merely by changing the law is about as moronic a statement as a statement can get. the telephone was invented for a reason, and the cell phone took that concept to another level. traveling 75mph for 100 miles to see someone all the time is simply not practical.

    4. Re:Americans Living in the Past by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      The land line telephone arived in my area very recently. This is because of low population and low demand for such technology. Many areas around me have no cellular service, this is because of low demand for such technology. I live in North Dakota. People in my state prefer personal contact, one way we encourage this is with laws that make travel easy.

      Please don't call me a moron for stating the facts.

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  21. Can't wait by confusion · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait to get behind someone on the freeway who is now videoconferencing while driving.

    I do hope that the US can get it's collective head out of it's butt when it comes to wireless technology.

    Jerry
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  22. Dropless carrier? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe we'll finally get some of those mobile connections that don't just drop, like we hear about so much in other countries. If that's CDMA EV-DO VoIP, or UMA WiF/3G roaming, so much the better.

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    1. Re:Dropless carrier? by billbasher · · Score: 1

      add GSM and you might be on to something

    2. Re:Dropless carrier? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      GSM connections seem to get dropped in the US as much as our CDMA. While Japan has dropless CDMA. What makes you want GSM?

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    3. Re:Dropless carrier? by billbasher · · Score: 1

      GSM is in it's infancy in the US. Once it catches on more (and they have to build more transmitters) the quality will approach the quality I have experienced in Europe and the South Pacific.

      GSM works somewhere around 30-40km from a transmitter
      CDMA works somewhere around 100-150km from a transmitter

      Therefore GSM requires more transmitters. (But I hear the operating cost is lower once the infrastructure is set up)

      Basically, dont let it's US behavior sway your opinion... it is better in most other countries.

      Other than distance, both technologies have their pros and cons (too many for me to go into) but I will list a few relevent facts:

      GSM works worldwide and is used by 500 million users.

      CDMA has only 80 Million users and works in only a few countries. Most of its users are in the US but some others are compatable (Austrailia, parts of China and South Korea and Taiwan) and a few others yet (like Japan which you mentioned) use a version of CDMA that is NOT compatable with the US CDMA. For example, Verizon is a CDMA-1X technology. Its counterpart in Japan is KDDI-AU which is currently operating at 800MHz for CDMA2000-1X and CDMA-1XEVDO, though the 1XEVDO might be ported to 1900MHz or 2100MHz in later years. Docomo and J-Phone (Vodaphone) are using W-CDMA which is currently not compatible with CDMA-1X technology.)

      My assumtion is that the reason W-CDMA works better in Japan is because they have a LOT of CDMA cell towers or most users are in the cities that have 100% coverage (less rural subscribers) or the modfied CDMA frequencies they use are better than the ones the US has. In any case though, it is apples and oranges because your CDMA phone wont work there. Different type of CDMA.

      Unfortunately for US CDMA users, Verizon is not going to install enough towers to give you complete coverage and they are not going to change frequencies :)

      So, you ask, why do I want GSM?

      Although CDMA could be considered a "better" technology (some will argue this), so was betamax. Bteer doesn't aways win. What WILL win is having LOTS of users.

      Also, most Americans do not travel internationally. BTW, I am an exception to this rule, as I have moved to New Zealand (where I use GSM - Vodafone). Before that, I travelled in Europe a lot for work and used GSM exclusively there.

      Lastly, The SIM card issue. If not for all the other issues, this one would win me over. I store my contacts on my sim and I prepay 20$ at a time onto my sim... I can put my sim in ANY SGM phone and I have all my contacts, and my number comes with me. If you have a CDMA phone and want to change phones, it is a pain to change your number to the new phone.

      Anyway, Im not in the US any more so have fun with your CDMA :)

    4. Re:Dropless carrier? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      W-CDMA (and it upgrades) are so much better than GSM for data that most European GSM carriers' long-term plans are to switch to it. Or at least their long-term GSM plans are either unfeasible, or depend on an unknown "GSM breakthru" to perpetuate new features on the GSM platform. Most of GSM's features that are more robust than CDMA's, like SMS and SIMcards, are deployable on CDMA in layers atop the media layer - they're not inherently GSM, and are actually inappropriate in the media layer. For example, in Europe I have to swap my SIMcard into new phones when I cross a national border with different GSM frequency. If the phones are going to be limited to different frequencies, why can't I just call or sync two phones with a crypto signature, and let the phones sync with a secure server to repopulate with my personal info? That's app level stuff, and newer phones can do that kind of thing, regardless of GSM or CDMA. But GSM is tied to the SIMcard dongle. The point is that CDMA is an easier upgrade path for carriers and callers than is GSM. And with Japan's CDMA a center for consumer-driven innovation, I expect CDMA to keep getting more attractive for callers. So I expect CDMA to win in the long run. Meanwhile, I hope GSM keeps giving CDMA a run for its money, because the competition is healthy. It will be even healthier when we're all on CDMA, because we'll all be able to bite off each other's featuresets.

      BTW, with all that in mind, it's obvious that American calls get dropped all the time because American carriers just don't care about that. They've got the Microsoft model: more features compensate for lower quality. But I've already got a (CDMA) Treo 600, which can be reprogrammed to switch from a Verizon account to a Sprint account, once "unlocked" (easy in Europe, much harder in the US). And with new handsets coming to market with multiple frequency radios, and phone# portability, I'd guess that switching carriers, even in mid-call, is just around the corner. And not a moment too soon - they'll all have to compete with VoIP over their Internet connections, and HotSpots. They're going to need all the flexibility they can get to survive, and are positioned better than virtual, aggregated VoIP "telcos" to offer dropless calls.

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  23. Yes but... by OneInEveryCrowd · · Score: 1

    Aren't "Americans" being blamed for the greediness and shortsightedness of a handful of telecom monopoly CEOs ?

    Can't I buy a nokia 3620 if I want or get a radio headset if I really wanted to ?

    Isn't the real problem just pricing? Could you imagine someone doing BitTorrent downloads to their cell phone and getting charged 5 cents per 1k by Cingular if they went over the 1 meg limit ?

    Also, if due to my specific interests, if I think I'd be better off with a laptop with highspeed wireless access than a dopey smart phone, is this really the same thing as living in the past ?

  24. Maybe we will get some of those biodegradable ones by solafide · · Score: 0

    Did you here about the cell phones that rot and fertilize a built in sunflower seed! Better not drop it in water!

  25. What would Xemu do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now Earthlink, the official ISP of Scientology, controls the satellites! Hopefully they can now cleanse the atmosphere of non-positive engrams and orgone vapors.

  26. Who owns Earthlink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy owns Earthlink. Or at least his company does.

  27. Re:Truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF?

  28. Any spam leverage for Earthlink? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One wonders, as domestic ISPs get into bed with Korean data/telecom companies, if there's any leverage there when it comes to the insufferable flood of Korean-originated spam and that peninsula's cracker population. I know, it comes from everywhere, but lately I've been getting crushed by doorknob rattlers and Viagra salesmen from Korea. There are times when the only way to keep down the noise for twenty or thirty servers is to block out a whole Class B of addresses.

    This is, of course, going to ultimately trip up legit Korean access to stuff I run for my customers, but the problem is completely out of hand. Anyone else suffering from this, and wondering if people like Earthlink wouldn't also be stomping their feet a bit to clamp down on it? Especially now that there's more money on the table.

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    1. Re:Any spam leverage for Earthlink? by sirinek · · Score: 1

      Class B? Hell, I used to block out 210.*.*.* and 211.*.*.*

      I switched ISPs and cant use spamassassin (or any server-side software) now, but that did a good job of reducing spam while it lasted.

    2. Re:Any spam leverage for Earthlink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you think all of that spam originates from?

      Damn yanks, my inbox is full of crap from your country, whether it's chanelled though South Korea or any other country that has lots of bandwidth.

      Blocking email from an entire country isn't the solution, stopping USAians from sending spam (and your stupid consumers from buying products from spammers) is the solution.

    3. Re:Any spam leverage for Earthlink? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Right. I'm talking about Korean industry and government doing something about their army of zombified spam relaying machines, most of which I'm given to understand are running on pirated (and never patched) copies of operating systems.

      You're somewhat right, in that the targets of the spam are largely US consumers. That's mostly because that's where most of the disposable income is, especially in the form of credit cards. I'm second to no one in my loathing of idiot consumers, domestic or otherwise. Most of the traffic I'm talking about, though, is outright fraud phishing schemes, or affiliate marketers working for Pacific Rim countries (largely in Taiwan and Hong Kong). That Korea's infrastructure is such a fertile ground for infected spam relays is sort of a separate issue.

      I'll work on the intelligence of US consumers if you'll work on Korean ambivilance about what they plug into the internet. Deal?

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  29. Inspector Gadget?!? Kids these days! by ClayJar · · Score: 1

    I hate to break it to you, but the shoe phone wasn't from Inspector Gadget (although it did figure prominently in that cartoon). It was from Get Smart.

    Would you believe I have the original right here?

    Um, okay, then, would you believe an immaculate copy?

    How about a cheap knock-off?

    *sigh*... Okay, I only have an older, functional GAIT phone with a non-color LCD screen and a monophonic ring tone I composed myself (a musical interpretation of Phi, the golden ratio). Don't think I'd want to hike with the newest whiz-bang break-when-you-drop-it gadget phone, even if logging a geocache from the top of a mountain would be cool.

  30. Is it just the US that is like this? by gosand · · Score: 1
    I can't wait to get behind someone on the freeway who is now videoconferencing while driving. I do hope that the US can get it's collective head out of it's butt when it comes to wireless technology.

    How many freeways are there in Japan? I think that the vast expanse of the US prohibits anything like this from catching on. You can't even get reliable service in many major cities, how is something cool going to take off? Public transportation is lacking, people drive everywhere, and for the most part we are insensitive idiots when it comes to technology. The only reasoning I can see is that people like to be annoying. I really would like to know how things are in Japan (and other countries) where mobile technology is rampant. Are people insensitive dickwads who annoy everyone around them with their techno-doodads, or is there more respect for others? Do people use those walkie-talkie features in restaurants and other public places? Do they drive like idiots because they are messing with their phones all the time? This may sound like a rant, but I REALLY would like to know from someone who has firsthand experience in a country other that the US.

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  31. This is a good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because Korean chicks are hot!!!

  32. Re:Inspector Gadget?!? Kids these days! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoa, thanks for the correction! What the heck was I thinking (am I even thinking)? Of course it was Get Smart. My memory is like, what are those things with holes called again, I can't remember? (Douglas Adams joke).

    I suppose your phone is water-proof, or at least sweat-proof?

  33. Welcome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new cell phone overlords.

  34. Re:Truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (-10 Scary, strange) .. does anyone have his IP?

  35. Early Termination Fees - No TNF for you! by vertinox · · Score: 1

    I will have to say this... This might be off topic though.

    Earthlink (or should I say old Mindspring) used to be one of the best corporations out there, but before I quit in 2003, it had turned into one that I pitied every single customer I talked to.

    Yes they had made some inter-corporate changes that seemed to be fairly poor (but I've worked for worse companies and worse PHBs), but I really pitied the customers as they called in.

    So many issues of hodged podged equipment patched together.

    But things might have changed equipment wise, but I think they are more corporate than ever. That said, I would not recommend Earthlink to anyone (go Covad people!) even with these new technologies, but it might be that I am jaded over the whole Charles Brewer leaving the company and layoff issue. And no... I quit before they closed our call center to pursue better jobs. If they are doing this like the past roll outs, it will be done in peicemail with no prior training or notification to the tech support or egineers and I bet there might be some employees of ELNK that might find out about this from this news post.

    I could go on about horror stories about Early Termination Fee's and making customer go out with step ladders and extention cords to the NIC on the side of their house to prove to us that they indeed did not have a DSL signal before we would send the Telco out to look at it.

    Damn I miss the mom and pop ISP days...

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  36. I agree, we need cell phone jammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You used to be able to get them on ebay, i feel really tempted sometimes.

  37. Earthlink isn't Mindspring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earthlink isn't Mindspring (or Sprint, do your research)..... Mindspring is long gone and if it wasn't swallowed by another company it would be dead by now anyways. You can't run a multimillion dollar ISP like a mom and pop shop that is constantly partying (liability issues abound)....growing pains are bound to be felt and oh, what is that.... do I sense a little resentment?

    SK Earthlink isn't going to be Earthlink (even if they do offer bundling) and the experiences that you are describing are DSL customer experiences, not Earthlink Wireless Customer's experiences. SK Telecom (the Korean parent company) is the biggest employer in South Korea and they only hire a fraction of the applicants that apply. They treat their employees right and we could use some more of that over here in the US!

    Who knows about the devices until the product line is revealed. It's nothing that we have seen or used before, but I doubt that CDMA could handle it. This is exciting news for everyone who wants to be on the forefront of technology. The rest of you can keep your shoe phones and AC adapters!!

  38. comes down to lifestyle and cultural differences by blew_fantom · · Score: 1

    the american lifestyle is so different from asia and europe, and naturally, the products people use are designed and marketed for the region. my uncle and his wife were visiting from korea and the cell phones they have is insane. the plans and coverage they have is even more insane. if you are as mobile as korean people are and use public transportation en masse as they do, do you REALLY want to be carrying around a separate cell phone, pager, mp3 player, digital camera, pda, etc., etc., etc.? for their needs, a super-wiz-bang cell phone with all those functionalities is exactly what they are looking for.

    while i can certainly understand that some people may simply want a product to do one thing and do it well, something can be said about a product that can do most things decently well enough to satisfy the needs of the target market. in terms of call plans, my uncle's plan has an ala carte system which allows for INTERNATIONAL roaming for a nominal fee. he was making and receiving calls from korea here stateside as if he was in korea. the u.s. market has a looooong way to go, but, i suspect that unless american culture changes, the phones might be overkill here.

  39. Better colours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. Re:I am from korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me tell you one thing.
    I totally agree with your thoughts about mp3, disposable money and so on. I wouldn't buy cool color supporting mp3 cell phones either. But still cell phone service in the us is so retarded that all you can do with the phone is just to talk someone on the phone, which is not working very consistently, and getting voice messages. When I was in korea 5 years ago, I could communicate with people simply typing text messages without phone calls and it worked everywhere I went even underground subway train.
    Now I have samsung phone for free, which was so expensive that i coudn't afford it when i was in korea, but although I've got the cool phone for free, sprint doesn't support text message service, and the phone signal is so weak that i can not get calls even in my house. besides the service cost is more than twice of the cost that i used to pay for, but the quality horribly sucks.

    This is not about a 'cool' cell phone, it is about an upgraded phone service. And SK-telecom is not a phone-making company, it is wireless service company like sprint or singular, and remember they do not make cell phones.