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Ubuntu Linux Live CD Release
tola writes "The Ubuntu development team have reached their first milestone in the production of the Live CD version of the upcoming release of Ubuntu
codenamed 'Hoary Hedgehog.' This edition features a completely redesigned system for creating Live CDs. While some people have tried rough previews, this is the first proper milestone for the live CD version. Anyone, especially folks who are
using our previous release (4.10 'Warty Warthog'), are encouraged to try this out.
The Live CD runs completely off of the CD and will not touch any of the data on your hard drive so is a fantastic way to get a preview of new features in the upcoming Ubuntu release without upgrading your system. ISO images for i386, AMD64 and PowerPC can be downloaded from Ubuntu."
AMD65
Is this the competitor to Intel's VIIV?
I've used that on several network fileservers, but for my main machine, I rely primarily on WindowsXP because of its ease of use. I have loaded Knoppix on this guy a few times when I want to play Shisen-sho or Mahjongg, but I always have that fear in the back of my that something is going to break on my base Windows system.
What precautions do these LiveCDs take to prevent damage from occuring to the installed base system? I trust Knoppix because I've used it a few times, but Ubuntu has a funny name, so I'm a little more wary of it.
It runs on an AMD-65? I'm impressed!
AMD64++
Cool!
AMD 65, because 64 bit was so 2004.
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Apparently Ubuntu is Richard Stallan's recommended distro. "Apparently" ... the place where I saw this made no mention of why, but I assume it has to do with licensing issues.
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Now I have to get a 65 bit chip. Fuck you AMD, you stupid money mongers.
Or maybe it's supposed to be the AMD VI0V, and Intel decided to make it one more... you know, so people would be "Hey look, this one goes to II"
That would be Viidalinux http://desktop.vidalinux.com/. It's packaging system (Portage)is wonderful, and I have also seen a review claiming that it's Gentoo done right! This is not meant to mean that Gentoo has any problem. I tend to agree with that claim after taking a test drive of the two.
Slashdot has a scoop on the new AMD65. According to this article at slashdot, the website has not-so-hidden clues that suggest the coming of the AMD65 very soon.
Recently I was asked for my expert opinion (IT admin for 5 years) on the architecture for our new groupware solution for inter-office communications. My boss told me the current plan was Windows Server with Sharepoint and SQL Server.
Well, normally I would just go along with it and quietly get my paycheck, but this time I had been inspired by recent Slashdot postings about the power of open source. I had done some studying up on my own, too.
So when my boss put the question to me, I responded with "That could work, but I'm thinking Ubuntu Warty Warthog or Debian Woody, with Derby 0.9 database and of course X-Bitch client to keep in touch".
Well, now I'm unemployed just like you all and I'm looking for a job. All I know is, nobody ever got fired for buying Dell and Microsoft. Damn slashbots... a curse on you!
Everyone's always saying how Linux will take over the desktop soon. Well, we're almost there. I've been following Ubuntu closely since recently. I think it really has a chance to provide a real, workable, usable alternative to OS X and WinXP. Even the Warty release is very impressive, and Hoary promises to be amazing!
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What makes me think so? Remember that guy that has so much money that he paid the Russians to take him to space? Well, he's decided he wants to make a good Linux distro. He started Canonical, the guys behind Ubuntu.
Here's a very interesting radio interview with the man himself, Mark Shuttleworth, where he talks about the need for a "technically superior" distribution.
http://www.lugradio.org/guide.php#
It's also funny when he mentions that he's "disgustingly rich".
I'm just waiting for releases 'roady roadhog', 'grimey groundhog', and "boundy hog-tied-hog".
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Considering that I am currently getting 1.5KB/s, I think you should -all- start downloading. :)
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It actually goes year then month where 2004 = 4
Gnoppix is now based on Ubuntu. How is the Ubuntu live cd different from Gnoppix?
GNU/Ubuntu?
It's spelled Gnubuntu
Can I get an eye poke?
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The numbers are based on the year and month of the relase. Hence 4.10 was released October 2004.
Just like Debian... without all the pesky precompiled applications. I tried Ubuntu once. I found that in order to get anything useful, I had to pull packages from Debian APT sources. After a while it just seemed like I would be better off running Debian. Half of my packages were from there anyway. And here I am. Debian -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Debian. Yeah, so I am not bleeding edge. Sue me!
-matthew
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The Ubuntu site seems to be missing a bunch of important details about the distro. Specifically, is there any way to see a list of their package repositories without actually installing Ubuntu?
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For the more advanced user thinking about trying it out...don't. I checked out array-3 of hoary a couple of days ago and quickly decided it wasn't for me.
My mini review:
The install is a two-phase process using text-based menus and is not difficult, however I remember thinking that the menus were layed out rather awkwardly and could have been streamlined. The second part of the install which actually performs application package installs failed mysteriously for me and gave me no option to restart it when I reran base-setup(yes, this is a pre-release cd). apt-getting the required packages manually worked fine.
Once installed, you are presented with a very clean and polished Gnome desktop with the standard amenities including Firefox 1.0, however there was little difference between it and other Gnome installations aside from a more pleasing tan theme consistently applied to everything.
After a few hours my athlon-xp 1600+ with 1GB ram slowed to a crawl. There were a few hundred megabytes of free memory and cpu usage was always well uner 5%, however even typing at the console was unbearably slow and loading the desktop took a couple of minutes. Never did figure that one out and killing allmost all running processes didn't help a bit. Doubt this was a kernel driver bug too, since I've run other late 2.6 based distros on this machine with no problems. This didn't occur again however...but I didn't have it installed many hours after that.
Boot times were atrocious, maybe worse than fedora due to innumerable services being started by default...many of them which I did not recognize. I seriously doubt postfix is a necessary service for the desktop audience they're targeting.
In summary, the desktop is great for new users, however the rest of the system leaves a lot to be desired. I would advise people to wait a while before adopting ubuntu so that they can have time to work out their issues. For now Mandrake, Suse, and the like perform better as desktop distros, and Gentoo/Slack/vanilla debian work great for the more experienced.
The only huge win over other distros that I see at this point is ubuntu's web community, which is comparable to what you would find in the gentoo forums for helpfulness.
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Just a little preface. I am a Windows user. I probably always will be a Windows user. I like using it and am proficient in it's workings.
For years I've tried several distrobutions. Redhat (starting with 5), Fedora, Mandrake, Debian, Suse, and I even managed a stage 1 Gentoo install once (with limited results). The problem is I would be able to "use" the systems I set these up on, but never as well as my Windows setups. I just had trouble learning how to walk again.
Four days ago, I started installing Ubuntu on a recommendation from someone. I had enough spare parts to whip up a competent PC (Athlon XP 2500+, 512mb RAM, 18gb 10,000 rpm scsi drive, Geforce 2 GTS).
I installed Ubuntu, and was absolutely shocked. This was a distro that a dumb lifelong Windows user could run, and have it do everything I wanted. Granted, any other distro could do the same, but this one made it simple for someone like me. I've had no trouble keeping my software installed an up to date, thanks to the use of apt-get and not having to worry about dependencies (always a big roadblock for me). I've been able to get all my hardware working (even my digital camera, amazing for me), play some of my Windows only games with Cedega, and even get proper video playback with my media player.
Being that this is Slashdot, many of the linux aficionados may say "So? all that is pretty trivial." The thing is, it was always a struggle for someone like me. Ubuntu has made me love linux, and even make it contend for my attention away from Windows.
And what seems like a little pinch of fate, my main Athlon 64 box just died (lousy MSI motherboard issues). Now I am "forced" to use my linux box as a primary computer. And now I'm even considering putting Ubuntu on my laptop!
After trying all the major distros, I've become a real fan of Ubuntu. It's the first distro that I think could have a real potential to become THE desktop Linux. It's Debian from the inside and something different from the outside. When installing Linux to my friends, I no longer have to pound Debian to become a decent desktop OS. Ubuntu is that out of the box. Still Ubuntu retains the configurability of Debian.
/etc/apt/sources.list. I also setup apt-pinning.
Yet Ubuntu needs some tweaking too. E.g. I hate spatial Nautilus, so I always change it to the browser view. Default apt repositories aren't enough, so I add Ubuntu Universe, Multiverse, Backports and Debian Marillat repos to
One can always argue that Suse, Mandrake and other KDE based distros might have some potential as THE desktop Linux, but I personally dislike KDE. It's too heavy and bloated for my taste.
To steal my idea you'd have to make me forget it. Otherwise you'd just be copying it.
Weird! I got the DHCP failed message at initial blue console DHCP detection booting screen. Then it sent sigkill and sigterm to all processes (another weird thing like it was shutting down) prior to loading modules and then Gnome. At the Gnome desktop, DHCP now works and I can access the web. Perhaps there was some initial h/w detection happening before than main system loaded?
But anyways, I was greeted by nice music on my SoundBlaster Live PCI sound as Gnome loaded and my ATI Radeon is working, although using the open source drivers of course.
You probably have an older, pre- El-Torito setup, which means, basically, boot off floppies to install things.
My old P-166 Toshiba can't boot from CDs, it's not too hard to install from Floppies
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In the Knoppix community there has been some effort to make Knoppix boot using WINGRUB initiated from the XP bootloader.
.iso file residing on your NTFS partition.
.iso-file.
:)
Inserting one line in your boot.ini can make the XP bootloader execute WINGRUB from your factory preinstalled NTFS partition and with WINGRUB you can load a Linux kernel and a miniroot package from the same NTFS partition.
So far this all works with a recent stock Knoppix (which I suppose Ubuntu live CD is also based on) and stock WINGRUB (grub4dos.sf.net) but the problem is that the stock miniroot does not feature the read-only NTFS-kernel module so you can not load Knoppix direcly from an
Tested patches to miniroot DO exist for this to work and they are acquirable from knoppix.net forums, but they have not yet been added to the official Knoppix distribution.
It should be fairly easy to incorporate these changes to a custom live CD like the one of Ubuntu's and this would make it possible to offer a Windows installer which setups WINGRUB, Linux kernel and the modified miniroot, searches (or just asks) for the location of your downloaded Ubuntu Live CD and after that just lets the user choose to boot into a HD based Live CD residing on a
For some people who just want to test a live CD the burning process might be too much of a step to take. This approach would be a no-cost, no-partitioning, no-bootrecord-touching way for these people to hop into the wonderful world of Linux live CD's
Funny - I got a bunch of Ubuntu CDs in the mail a couple of months ago.
Tried the live cd on both machines (P4 1.3 Desktop and P4 2.4 Lappy) and they both worked perfectly.
So much so that I'm using it as my main OS now on both machines. Desktop got a clean format and install, Laptop got a partition but hasn't been rebooted into Windows since.
Very very impressed with Ubuntu, the support forums are very helpful.
Finally found a distro that allowed me to say goodbye to Bill.
look in the boot/isolinux (i think that's the right dir), and look at the config file to find the kernel arguments, kernel file, etc, and then copy them on to the hard drive or floppy disk, put grub on the floppy disk, and make sure that the kernel gets passed a root=/dev/cdrom or whatever device node it is.
Since you have no hard drive, if the kernel/initrd doesn't fit on the floppy, you'll have to netboot (there is an option for that when you compile grub), you need a tftp server on another box.
I've done this with mandrake before, it's not big problem.
For some reason if you try and burn Ubuntu with Disk Utility it will crash. For those of you looking to try this out on ppc try using cdrecord.
cdrecord -v speed=24 dev=IODVDServices hoary-live-powerpc.iso
To get cdrecord try "port install cdrtools" or "fink install cdrecord". You can also try this binary if you do not have fink or darwin ports.
According to the Ubuntu liveCD wiki the liveCD still uses the cloop (compressed loopback) system to compress the filesystem on the CDROM. This is a pity because most new liveCDs are now using SquashFS which is faster and compresses better.
:-)
This is disapointing for me because I both use Ubuntu and I'm the author of Squashfs
You raise a good point about OSS project acceptance and naming. Basically, I (a highly literate user) find a lot of OSS project names to be rather off-putting. I'm not a hacker or programmer or OSS zealot, I don't get all the in-jokes and recursive acronyms. I can deal; after all, what's not to love about The Gimp*? However, a lot of techno-idiot bosses and laypeople are NOT going to accept software with a weird-sounding name. I know this sounds daft but it's true. Until naming is more user-oriented, OSS will probably have a very hard time in the wider world.
* yeah the GUI is very odd, but ultimately anyone who can use PS at a half-decent level can handle it
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I'd consider myself an "advanced" user, been using Linux since 1993 or so and am a full time Linux admin. Ubuntu is a very nice distribution because it just works and is very stable. It takes the best aspects of Debian and creates a stable up-to-date desktop distribution based on GNOME.
:)
Gentoo, FC3, and Debian unstable are great but you also spend a lot of your time updating and tweaking the operating system. And even advanced users get tired of constantly managing their OS at some point
As for speed, Ubuntu has fewer services starting than Fedora does. It's more locked down by default(for example, no sshd). No idea why your system was so slow. I've run FC3 and Gentoo on my current box and Ubuntu performs the same. If it was slower, I'd notice it as I've run performance comparisons on World of Warcraft running under both FC3 and Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is not a newbie distribution. It's the best GNOME based dist out if you just want something that runs and doesn't need constant managing. That may make it good for newbies, but it doesn't make mean more advanced users wouldn't like it.
I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. If you're considering getting legal advice on the web, get your head checked.
>However KDE would still be able to distribute directly themselves.
It's even broader than that: KDE was QGPL, not GPL, no matter how many times the authors claimed otherwise.
The clear intent of the authors *was* distribution. Their invitation to do so overrides any conflicting statements in boilerplate (in this case, the GPL). Even terms in that boilerplate saying they couldn't be overridden would be overridden.
The flip side of this is that if they incorporated actual GPL sofwtare into their Quasi-GPL product, they would be violating the license of that software. Not "violating the GPL," but violating the software of the other license, which happens to be GPL.
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I'm running SimplyMepis on my laptop now, and I just tried the live version of Ubuntu last night.
Both Mepis and Ubuntu detect my Centrino wireless, but only Mepis makes it work. Ubuntu gives some error at boot and then doesn't even show it as a device once the system is up. Both detect my Synaptics touchpad, but only Mepis has all its functionality working "out of the box". And Mepis provides most useful (though not Free) plugins for Mozilla/Firefox already installed and configured.
YMMV, but if you try Ubuntu and have problems with it, you definitely should take a look at Mepis.
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