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PC Mag Reviews Mercora P2P Radio
prostoalex writes "PC Magazine reviews Mercora peer-to-peer streaming radio. It's not a service which allows anyone to download songs, however you can listen to any of the top 20 million plus songs available on the network from more than 2000 private radiostations. Mercora supports keyword search by genre, song name or artist name, but does not allow to listen to more than four songs from the same artist to avoid copyright issues. Any Mercora user automatically becomes a broadcaster, when the app scans the drive for digital music and then suggests creating an ad-hoc Internet radiostation."
How does this get around ASCAP the royalty fees that are causing headaches for internet radio broadcast stations?
"Lawyers are for sucks."
- Doug McKenzie
A random sample of music on my system would put Dead Kennedies next to Phillip Glass next to James Brown next to Keith Jarrett, etc.... Some songs just don't play well with others.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
I just downloaded and installed Mercora and as soon as I did, my Microsoft Antispyware flagged Grokster as trying to install. Just a bit or warning.
Live365 has done this for years, plus Live365 uses standard technology so I can listen with Linux, PalmOS or even an internet-enabled stereo.
I used it in the past. It was fun for a while, but the problem of course is bandwidth. Most home connections don't really have the bandwidth to have more than a couple people really, and so I moved on to Peercast, although the legality of this is less clear (depends on where you're at and all that). Now, if they could actually make use of the Peercast technology within Mercora, and allowed Ogg streams, they might be able to get me back.
Furthermore, over the course of an hour, the service won't let you stream any more than four songs from the same artist, or any more than three from the same album. Such are the vagaries of digital-rights laws. Again, this isn't a huge problem if you're in a radio frame of mind. When you tune into the radio, you don't expect to hear song after song from the same artist.
Clearly, this guy's never heard of ClearChannel.
"Lawyers are for sucks."
- Doug McKenzie
I don't see the difference between offering an MP3 or offering a stream to allow instant realtime listening.
Technically it is the same thing from the sender's point of view. It sends out bytes of copyrighted material. Just because the client software isn't saving those by default (think hacks, direct recording...) doesn't mean it isn't possible.
This software will probably result in new laws which will trouble normal webradios...
Let me be the first to say that I find this idea incredibly stupid. First of all, you are not very likely to find the song you want when you want it and there is a very slim chance that you will find a station that you would want to add to your favorites due to the random nature of the broadcasting selection process. In the end you just end up wasting a lot of your time listening to nothing and you begin to think that maybe you should just buy the CD. This smells like a RIAA sponsored project to me.
Erm, ever heard of tools that allow dumping streams?
Or is the quality that bad? Then why would I listen to it?
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
MPAA will get their share after Mercora has collected information on all the mp3's the users share + their IP adresses and forwarded this information to the hordes of lawyers that MPAA has harnessed for their newest try on busting mp3 distributors. You have been warned!
So basically we can now choose between 3000 random users random 10-song playlists streamed over inadequate bandwidth without the ability to find any songs beyond the typical top-40 songs, or to save them. Add to that weird claims of legality, and privacy concerns from the scanning of the harddrive, and it suddenly doesn't sound so nice anymore. Not that it did sound any nicer in the first place. Most p2p apps already suck, making it even more artificially restricted doesn't really help.
There's just no way in hell they have 20 million different songs on there. We have all heard the numbers, and there are not 20 million different songs across 2000 radio stations. Even if each station had a playlist of 500 songs, which is very high, that would only be 1 million songs. I'm not even sure if there have been 20 million professionally recorded and available different songs in existence, can anyone else back me up on that?
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Seems like more than one /.er has reported spyware being bundled (specifically Grokster), contrary to the PC Mag reports. Whether or not the spyware was intentionally bundled, this type of technology creates many security issues.
Desktop search apps have recently been under much scrutiny for privacy issues, such that the content read by the apps could be revealed to outside sources. However, desktop searches could theoretically operate without a connection to the internet, which means that a simple block of the program's access to external IPs should be able to prevent this from happening.
The whole basis of Mercora, on the other hand, is that it automatically searches the hard drive and streams the content to a public network. First off, I don't understand the business model of distributing free software to the public and then offering to pay royalties on every song broadcasted. No revenues & high costs = doom. Therefore, it appears likely that the company is operating on the premises of bundled spyware, as reported by some users. Needless to say, spyware itself creates enough privacy and security issues, but that is not even the worst of it.
Say some kiddie hacker reverse-engineers the technology and uses it to create a worm that searches computers for sensitive document formats (e.g. *.doc, *.xls, *.pdf come to mind) and broadcasts them to the public domain? Will Mercora's parent company pay for the damages done with this kind of scenario?
I am deeply disappointed that a reputable source like PC Mag gave this a 4/5 rating without alerting the public of the possible security issues with this technology.
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I thought about installing it and my spyware prg picked up a lot of baddies.
3. AUDIO PLAYING AND STREAMING
You agree to use the Service to only play and stream audio content for which you have acquired the legitimate legal rights for use. You agree that when using the Service for audio streaming, you will not:
Stream sound recordings that are inappropriate, profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful
Interfere with the Services audio selection for streaming mechanism which adheres to the public performance of sound recording guidelines of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
Publish advance program guides or use other means to pre-announce when particular sound recordings will be streamed or the order in which they will be streamed
Stream specific sound recordings within one hour of the request by a listener or at a time designated by the listener
Disable any identification or technological protection information included in the sound recording (if any)
Violate any applicable local, state, national, or international law (including without limitation the DMCA)
I guess that takes care of that...
If you stream your illegal MP3's - and what else do most people have (leaving out legally ripped MP3's), you're in violation of the law - and if you breathe on their software, you're in violation of the DMCA...
Doesn't look like such fun now, does it?
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The radio station used to archive all its programming for people who wanted to do time shifting. This was put to an end by the RIAA and the record industry. We came to a settlement with the RIAA and agreed not to their terms in order to provide any streaming at all.
There are a lot of great radio stations streaming programming now but the RIAA put 90% of them off the air with the threat of litigation. There used to be thousands of home/hobby stations broadcasting from homes and dorms. The RIAA theatened them with litigation regarding royalties and poof they were gone. This included a lot of great college radio stations unfortunately.
For anyone who wants to record streaming audio I highly recommend the Windows shareware program TotalRecorder. Don't know if a Linux version is in the works or not.
- AndrewZ
Microsoft Antispyware Beta running on it immediately detected an adware bundle (starts with a "G", I forgot the exact name)
Grokster. Mercora. Compare the two. They both have the matching string "er" preceded by an "o". Yup, same thing. And after all, who knows more about insecure programs than MS?
Yeah, it's a false alarm. Try AdAware. Maybe eventually MS will get their antispyware program working properly, or maybe it will follow the path of Microsoft AntiVirus (remember that POS? Granted, it was a while ago, and soon slipped into richly deserved oblivion.)