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Solaris 10 Released
AusG4 writes "Sun Microsystems has released Solaris 10 for both SPARC and Intel/Opteron. Downloading it is the usual 'register and get your free license' meandering; the Intel/Opteron version is 4 CDs and an optional language and companion disc (a bunch of pre-compiled GNU software in pkgadd format, I'm assuming, same as Solaris 8 and 9)."
and the best place to get your Sun hardware: Anysystem.com
Solaris is no longer available for "SPARC" systems, only UltraSPARC systems. It no longer supports sun4m or sun4d.
And if you really, seriously want to do it, for the love of God check the hardware compatibility list and save the rest of us a million questions about why Solaris won't work on your PC. Simple - if the hardware's not on the list, Solaris won't work with it! Really! Sun's not lying in their document.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Currently I'm using a UML provider for my website / email / etc. I will be very interesting to see if Solaris 10 Zones perform better. If they do ISPs might provide more power per $.
Ulrich Drepper posted this to the libc-alpha (Glibc) mailing list today. "Some people might have heard about Sun's release of the Solaris sources under their dubious license. This license is obviously intended to be incompatible with the GPL. Therefore:
Nobody who intends to contribute to glibc must look at anything but the public header files of the Solaris libc and related libraries.
(Emph. mine) Don't fall for the Solaris trap!
Have a gander: (Basically I think the answers are "yes", "wait for the source code, this is a binary distribution", and "I don't think so".)
ENTITLEMENT for
SOLARIS 10 3/05 OPERATING SYSTEM
THIS ENTITLEMENT EVIDENCES YOUR AUTHORIZED SCOPE OF USE UNDER THE TERMS
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INDICATED BELOW (THE SLA) UNLESS OTHERWISE AGREED IN WRITING BETWEEN YOU AND
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Beginning Date of License Term: the date of receipt of this Entitlement
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System Application Server Platform Edition 8, Sun Java System Message
Queue 3.5, Sun Java System Directory Server 5, and Java 2 Platform, Standard
Edition (J2SE) included in or bundled with the Software.
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(a) "Directory Instance(s)" means an instance of the Sun Java System
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(b) "Entry(ies)" means a single Distinguished Name ("DN") and its
associated attributes.
(c) "Enterprise Wide" means your entire enterprise network.
3.2 License Grant. Sun grants you a non-exclusive and non-transferable
license
for the internal use only of Sun Java System Directory Server 5 (Directory
Server) (where you control, manage, configure and otherwise use the software)
for your internal business use and not for resale or redistribution in any
manner and only for the number of Entries for which the corresponding
fee has been paid. Subject to the limitations of the previous sentence, you may
provide services with Directory Server to users outside of your commercial legal
entity, if any; provided that you may not permit any such user to control, manage or
configure Directory Server.
3.3 Additional Use Conditions.
(a) Directory Server may contain, at no charge, up to an aggregate maximum of
200,000 Entries, across any and all Directory Instances running
Enterprise Wide.
For the purposes of this Section 3.3(a) only, Entries exclude Solaris 10
operating system entries that do not define users.
(b) You may install and run multiple instances of the Sun Java System
Directory Server Console client on multiple computers and platforms for remote
and distributed administration of servers and applications.
What about KDE, did they fix it or dump it ?
I don't think KDE was ever included with Solaris. CDE, OpenWindows, and eventually GNOME are the only environments that have ever shipped with Solaris, AFAIK.
Fix it how?
I use the KDE packages from blastwave.org and haven't had any problems.
Cheers,
Roger
Do you have any better hostages?
Yes, but (unless things have changed since beta69; my download is still in progress), it's not as idiot-proof as installing Solaris 9 was. (Although the hardware support is much better, so the chances of this working on your machine are way higher than with Solaris 9).
It's also surprisingly easy to kill your other operating systems when you install though, so do your homework. (Google "dual-boot" "Solaris 10" etc. and keep reading till you're sure you've filled in all the gaps, and back up just in case). Also of course have a copy of Knoppix and your bootloader configuration around.
They have released sol10 with really nice features, cool.
They set it not hardcore-GPL, but at least Sun-defined opensource. Alright.
But what the hell is this about giving the 1600 patents only for CDDL projects?
They show supporting Linux, support the opensource-community, but they cannot/dont't want to move? Could someone explain pls?
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
sucks if you don't have supported hardware Basically throw away the 'install instructions' and go browse user forums of how to actually do it. Using the defaults for partition sizes also didn't work under 9.0 when I tried it... again another case of 'read what other people have done' rather than follow the instructions. So I won't be trying out 10...
Apparently Sun has "dramatically" increased the number of programmers they have working on drivers for Solaris 10.
I'd like to comment on how the new Solaris 10 is actually quite a treat to use.
/home for a new user. Some weird error, I tried it as root. Don't have the error on me, but if anything ran into this and knows the fix I'd appreciate some feedback. ?
I installed it on VMware GSX 3.1 as a guest on Gentoo Linux Host OS with little trouble.
I gave the system 128 megs of ram to play with - I'm running 4 other VMs at the moment for development purposes so my development server needs a bit more RAM.
I got to say, the new Java desktop is dead sexy, uses a lot of Gnome applets and programs. They have borrowed a lot from that gear, and also some the GNU tools now come standardly installed.
A full install didnt seem to install SSH as a service, nor Telnet but that could be for my setup and selection process. I didnt select a fine tune, just install-all.
I couldnt get the GUI setup to work, although this could be for my setup, the GUI setup requires 96megs of ram or more, and I did provide 128 meg in the VM so not sure whats going on there. However, the text install works fine. I am exporting the Vmware Console over an X client running on my Windows workstation so maybe it doesnt like something there - not sure. My other VM's havent complained thus far.
Oh yeah I told a friend about Sol 10 is now ready so he downloaded it also, he was able to get the GUI install to work and said its awesome. Mentioned that you can browse the Internet whilst the OS is installing. Reminds me some Linux installs that let you play games whilst its chugging away.
I was a bit disappointed that cc compiler doesnt work straight out of the box with the 'full install', it needed some other program or library it was whinging about and I havent bothered to look it up.
The default shell is csh (?), but amazingly enough bash is installed by default.
For some reason I couldnt create a home directory under
Well I only installed it 2 days and I havent really given it a run for its money. But do hope to start playing with it more soon.
When I used Solaris (few years back) the first thing I built on it (after adding gcc and tools) was WindowMaker.
Ultra60 with a GB of ram and WindowMaker makes a nice quick workstation
The truth about Led Zep should never be told on
What are /. editors feeding on these days? Solaris 10's release is "READ MY LIPS" 3 months old!!
See this slashdot story of November 15th
The "x86" branding is because it covers the x86 instruction set i.e not just 80386,80486,Pentium, Intel Celeron or AMD Athlon or Cyrix or whatever else emulates it.
Solaris 10 x86 supports 64 bit in the same way that SPARC does, with architecture specific modules depending what kernel you boot. If you boot "kernel/unix" you get generic 32-bit x86 architecture kernel. If you boot "kernel/amd64/unix" you get 64 bit goodness on Opteron and EMT64.
I have been running it 64 bit on an Athlon 64 notebook for some weeks now.
"If everybody is thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking" - Gen. George S. Patton
With each Solaris release, Sun stops supporting older hardware. Does anyone know where Sun has tucked the latest list?
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
I just bought an Ultra 5 (270Mhz, 128Mb RAM, new Seagate 120Gb disk) as a learning tool and fileserver, and I'm keen to give the new OS a go. Is anyone running Solaris 10 on an Ultra 5 or Ultra 10? Is it painfully slow? How much RAM does it _really_ need?
With 128Mb RAM, you'll be sorry and regardless of how much RAM you might be willing to upgrade it to, the IDE controller in the 5/10 sucks, baddly, so file serving won't be fun either.
I bought a Sun Ultra 10 333 (from memory) with 128Mb with the intention of using it as a learning tool and it is slow with Solaris 9. It is also slow with OpenBSD (I have not tried NetBSD). I get less than half the transfer rate performance under either Solaris 9 or OpenBSD 3.4 from a particular disk in the U10, than the same disk on a PIII-550 under OpenBSD 3.4.
RAM upgrades for these boxes are expensive to say the least. Even if you do opt to upgrade the memory it will not be worth it. I would suggest selling it and putting that money and any upgrade money you may have been willing to spend, towards something more worthwhile. Start at Sun Ultra 30 and don't go below that, if you want to run Solaris as a desktop and for learning. A second hand U30 is typically going to have more than 128Mb RAM anyway.
A U5/U10 makes a fantastic firewall however. Or even a small web server for a home DSL connection with the added security which comes with the UltraSPARC CPU's page protection, etc. I use my U10 as an OpenBSD firewall which boots of a CF card in a CF-IDE adaptor.
I've come to the conclusion that, Sun has some awesome hardware and technologies at the very high end, but for the low to mid range, NetBSD is incredible (especially on something like AMD64). Sun makes a lot of nice hardware, but the Ultra 5 and 10 I would like put in that category. They are practically baddly performing PC's with UltraSPARC processors.
E450 gets a mention here:
SPARC: Older Firmware Might Need Boot Flash PROM Update
about a third of the way down the page.
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/specs.html has some information. Only problem will be if your machine isn't 64 bit capable.
I've got a bunch of nice V240's and some of the new dual-core V490's to deploy. I'll beta 10 for a little while. Not because I don't think it's ready for prime time. Lot's of vendors beta test on their users (COUGH Micros~1, COUGH IBM), but there are a lot of really cool additions to the Solaris OE this time around, and I want to get used to everything.
Specifically ZFS (Bad ass journaling FS, capable of multiple TB's), Grid Containers (think quasi-VMWare for resource partitioning), and of course the nice TCP/IP enhancements.
IF YOU'VE DOWNLOADED "SOLARIS 10" before late late last night, you got a RELEASE CANDIDATE, and not the full RELEASE. Go download the release.
I'm downloading the dtrace source from OpenSolaris and havin fun today.
Nope not in the initial release. Should come out in an update. Spring? Summer? Veritas is pricey alright - but some of its features already are in Solaris with UFS even before ZFS. Take a look and see if you really need it anymore
blastwave.org is a good alternative to buying compilers -- they have gcc in pkg format
http://blastwave.org pk-get kde 3.3.1 you name it, it's there