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Google Rewards Employees With Millions

iseff writes "According to News.com, the Google guys created a program in November which rewards employees for outstanding achievements. The program gives the possibility of millions of dollars of stock to teams who perform great work. The goal of the program, according to Brin, is two-fold. First, it allows the company to reward 'genius', or whatever they see as genius. And second, it allows them to continue to hire all sorts of employees. According to the article, they believe that a recent grad who would like to work in a start-up will still be attracted to them because of the opportunity to create something great and be rewarded with millions (and without much of the risk associated with startups)."

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  1. So does that make these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The First Annual Google Awards for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence?

    1. Re:So does that make these by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

      Google defines Excellence as the "the state or condition of being invented and owned by Google."

    2. Re:So does that make these by Mr+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, but it makes the winner the "First Annual Google Genius of Technology".

  2. Project: Retirement by Godling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.

    Alternately, you're in it for the love of the game and no amount of money will make you quit. But then what's the motivation?

    1. Re:Project: Retirement by evilmousse · · Score: 4, Funny


      file that under 'problems i'd like to have'.
      what keeps hugh hefner hard?

    2. Re:Project: Retirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Options don't become stock immediately. Really, we're talking retiring five years after your first multi-million dollar project bonus, so you can actually receive it (assuming the stock is still worth that then... of course, it could be worth even more... or nothing at all).

    3. Re:Project: Retirement by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I'm in it for the love of the game (and I am), then my motivation is to work for the company that rewards my love the most. Even lovers--especially lovers!--like to feel that their love is appreciated and requited. Google understands this. Rather than turning its high-performing lovers into bitter, cynical burnouts, Google is repaying their love every step of the way. And not just their love, but their hard work and long hours over many years--things that drain even the most devoted worker, and for which most companies give minimal compensation.

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    4. Re:Project: Retirement by daijo78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps most are in it for the fun of it anyways. During the golden years the founder of one of the most successful startups here in Sweden said that once your employees get wealthy enough they will stop caring about the money and care more about where they can do the most interesting work. If it that benefits Google or not I have no idea:)

    5. Re:Project: Retirement by Skim123 · · Score: 4, Informative
      RTFA ... The headline might imply that employees are getting "millions" each, but in actuality, a reward program worht "millions" is being dispersed among dozens (hundreds?) of employees. I don't think any individual employees have been rewarded with an award worth "millions."

      RTFAATWT - that stands for RTFA All The Way Through. In fact, just read the first few paragraphs and you'd see [emphasis mine]:

      Brin ... said the shares were ****not**** divided evenly, but were distributed according to each individual's contribution. ****Some employees received millions of dollars in stock****, said Brin.
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    6. Re:Project: Retirement by ehiris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who have a million would want the second million.

      Consider that you work somewhere where you or a peer has never been rewarded with a high sum.
      Now consider that you work somewhere where you or a peer has been rewarded a high sum in the past.

      Where will the money reward motivate you more?

      I've never been motivated by money. The only motivation I have towards money is that if I don't make a certain sum, I can't pay my bills and I might have to live in the streets. So the motivation isn't the money, it is the fear that I would have to live in the street.

      Passion for what I do is what really motivates me and money is a reward which could probably be motivating but I know I will never make a high sum where I am now so why bother busting my ass for it?

    7. Re:Project: Retirement by wolf31o2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      what keeps hugh hefner hard?

      Oh, I don't know. Perhaps it is his 7 blonde girlfriends?

  3. Not fair I tell you. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    This kind of thing unfairly punishes those of us who do a half assed job.

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    1. Re:Not fair I tell you. by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he moded it insightful because (last I checked) the funny mod didn't actually increase your karma....so people tend to mod things insightful as a way to reward the person who said something funny. :D

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    2. Re:Not fair I tell you. by kbranch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Insightful is still a pretty dumb idea. If you're going to use a different mod, use underrated. That doesn't carry any description, it just ups the score and (as far as I know) karma.

  4. In other news by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google swimming in post-IPO riches, doesn't know what to do with all that money.

    Seriously though, while giving such extravagant rewards is nice for those that get them, it can cause a lot of resentment among those who don't. It's one thing for someone whose idea is (in my mind) only marginally better, or maybe even worse, than mine to get a $2k bonus when I don't, but it's quite another for them to be suddenly set for life. The politics this sort of thing could create could get ugly.

    Also, there's the problem of attrition. Google is probably already going to be dealing with this issue soon, as many of their brightest engineers already have millions in stock options, but a company that has a lot of instant millionaires one day may end up with a lot of resignation letters the next.

    1. Re:In other news by Tenareth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Get over yourself, life will never be fair.

      Your post is exactly like the other guy that said it's unfair to those that do a half-assed job, the only difference is... he was actually making a joke, I'm very afraid you are being serious.

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    2. Re:In other news by X43B · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad."

      I agree with you that I'm sick of participation trophies and making everyone feel good about themselves, However, I think the original post had a point. They are giving awards out to teams. So say your job is to do some kind of support for one project and the guy next to you does the exact same job for some other project. His team has a genius on it and his idea becomes a major part of the company. Your team has some poor workers and through no fault of your own your project does not do well.

      You don't think there will be blood wars on who gets on the projects most likely to bring in the big bucks?

    3. Re:In other news by Yokaze · · Score: 4, Interesting
      > I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Actually, that isn't America. In comparison to other countries it awards Great Performers (whatever the market decides that is) quite outstandingly.
      Average CEO's pay as a multiple of an average
      worker's pay:

      United States 17.5
      United Kingdom 12.4
      Japan 11.6
      Canada 9.6
      Germany 6.5

      Size of Middle Class:

      Japan 90.0%
      Germany 70.1
      Canada 58.5
      United Kingdom 58.5
      United States 53.7
      Some people suggest, that there might be causal connection with the following table:
      Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

      United States 221
      Canada 94
      United Kingdom 63
      Germany 47
      Japan 1
      Please note, before I am accused as communist, I don't want to force someone to pay someone less. I just want to suggest that the people think about it.
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    4. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right. The ratio of CEO's pay to average worker's has now gone up to 458 times (as of 2000).

      Or to put it another way, the ratio of average CEO's pay to the US President's salary has risen from 2/1 to 62/1 since 1960.

      Another version: shows 411 times.

      I don't have the figures for armed robbery though.

    5. Re:In other news by famebait · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      First of all, the parent didn't actually argue sypathy with the losers, it was a pragmatic argument about the net effect of such systems. There is some quite thorough research to show that the negative effects of bonus systems etc. can and often do more than offset the extra effort extracted (it may be possible to employ rewards well, but it is certainly not automatic). This may be less of a problem in this case though, since the stated goal was to attact startup-types, not to make your average office guy work harder. But ignoring the possibility as a matter of principle would be naïve and silly.

      Secondly: Umm, what planet do you live on, where democratic countries that spread the rewards less than America does are easy to find?

      You also, like many who argue laissez-faire capitalism, seem not to understand the concept of "degree". You make like it's either "winner takes all" or the straw man of not rewarding anything. I do understand the argument that if there is no reward people won't put in their best. I don't believe it's always quite that simple, but yeah, some dangling perks certainly can motivate at least some types of people. But sometimes it seems like you guys want me to believe that if the greatest realistic prospect was the get "just" a few thousand times richer than your neighbour, rather than, say, a billion times richer, everyone would just slack off all day. If you subscribe to that for even one second, you should be reminded in no uncertain terms that you are clearly working from conclusions and backwards, and not the other way around.

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  5. Re:News at 11 by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You make it sound like a joke, but ask some IBM or Intel employees who hold dozens of patents how much money their genius has earned them.

    Of course, that's not to say that every patent is a genius idea, or that large numbers of patents deserve proportionally larger reward, but incentives programs do not typically account for the value of the patent to a company.

  6. Yay! But... by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long can they keep this up? They're a publically held company and eventually they're going to get entrenched like every other "smart" company. Then they quietly stop giving away millions and start selling their address lists...

    Even Ben and Jerry's had to drop its "no executive makes more than 10 times the lowest level employees salary" rule when Ben and Jerry looked for a new CEO.

    I'm all for stuff like this, but how do you sustain it over the long term?

  7. Stock by FullMetalAlchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stock is actually a bit flakey, you can be rich as hell without having any money to buy food with; this happened to me a one point during the great boom.

    Sadly, now I got neither stock or money.

    Still, I bet it strengthen the employee commitment to the company, which is what they want.

  8. Re:News at 11 by daveo0331 · · Score: 3, Insightful
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  9. Set the Wayback Machine to 1999 by thparker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    According to the article, they believe that a recent grad who would like to work in a start-up will still be attracted to them because of the opportunity to create something great and be rewarded with millions (and without much of the risk associated with startups).

    Without much of the risk because they're being paid "millions" -- on paper, in the form of Google stock? Some people never learn.

    (Oh, and kids, those "millions" are very likely to be taxable before you ever see a dime of cold hard cash. Enjoy!)

  10. What are the restrictions? by winkydink · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's restricted stock. Which probably means they can't sell before some point in the distant future. At that point, maybe it's worth millions, or maybe you can exchange it 1:1 for shares in Webvan. Who knows?

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  11. Just what we need by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More stock based incentives for employees. Didn't we learn from Enron, Worldcom or the dot com boom that stock base incentives causes people to do everything possible to raise the price of the stock including fraud and other dubious business practices. Why can't companies just give cash bonuses.

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  12. Better than throwing it at execs by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hey, at least they are redirecting their hoarde of gold back at the people who generated it instead of the execs.

  13. Stock, not stock options by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I read the article, Google awarded *stock*, not stock options - and I find that significant.

    Rather than rewarding employees with paper that has no real value today (and which costs the company no real money today) and which might have value in the future, they are rewarding the employees with paper that has value today, and probably will have value in the future (as well as costing the company real money today).

    If that is the case, then kudos to Google.

    If the linked story is incorrect and this is nothing more than options - then I retract my kudos.

    1. Re:Stock, not stock options by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Informative
      it's given out quarterly

      The stock vests in monthly increments over four years,

      FIRST LINE THIRD PARAGRAPH-from the linked story

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  14. Re:Yay! But... by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Luckily the dollar estimates are in Google dollars, only available after Google takes over and starts printing money.

  15. Re:Google may be hot... by Synthageek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I would request cold hard cash instead of stock options
    I agree. This result isn't applicable to just .com's. Many employees see $$ flash before their eyes and hinge their whole retirement on these stock options. As with all stocks, the potential for growth is much greater than taking the cash. I don't think that corporations inform their employees well enough when presenting them different bonus options (it probably isn't even their responsibility to either). I would definitely say "Show me the money".

  16. Thirdly.. by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    and most importantly, it will help these deserving geeks to attract beautiful women to themselves.

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  17. Re:as Homer might say by flumps · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they did they'd call it Moogle.

    Sorry. Couldn't help it!!

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  18. Re:News at 11 by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No kidding. There are thousands of companies that reward their hard-working, profit-leading, genius employees. It usually comes in one of the following forms:

    coffee (with non-dairy creamer and sugar!)
    a mug/hat/pen with company logo
    doughnuts on the third Tuesday of every month
    reorganization, yay!
    casual Fridays
    2-ply toilet paper in the bathrooms
    annual raise (cost of living * .75)
    pink slip (bright pink!)

    Having worked for a company that does not respect the employees, I applaud any company that sees the value of happy, motivated employees.

  19. Do we need a 'Timely' modifier? by jimbro2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who weren't tuned in Sunday, This is the award Mr. Burns gave to Homer on Sunday's episode of the Simpsons. Poster failed, however to work in any jokes about low sperm count.

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  20. You're assuming managers reward fairly by edremy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    At Google, this might actually be the case, but witness all the horror stories of bad management that get posted here.

    Try this scenario- you bust your ass 12 hours a day/7 days a week for a year to spec, design and code Wizzyfoo. It's awesome. It does some really neat things. Two weeks before it goes live, the company decides that Wizzyfoo just isn't compatible with the new direction the company is moving in. All your work is tossed in the bin and you're assigned to a new project. No bonus for you.

    Meanwhile, Bob across the aisle goofs off, posting meaningless replies at /. for most the day and goes golfing with the boss every weekend. Since he's got the ear of the boss, he manages to get a great looking demo before the suits, who decide to make it the new big thing. He gets the cash for the neat demo, even if there's nothing behind it and the product wouldn't work in reality.

    Would this happen at Google? Maybe not, but if you don't think similar happens everyday in industry you're blind. The suckups and losers get rewarded, the truly good get shuffled off since they're hard to deal with.

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  21. True, but you miss the point by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

    True, a restricted stock may not be sold today. That is not my point.

    A stock option is normally issued at very nearly today's market price for a stock, and is nothing more than the guarantee that stock may be purchased at that price.

    If gasoline is $1.759 a gallon, and I offer you a piece of paper saying "I guarantee you can buy a gallon of gasoline from me for $1.759", how much is that paper worth right now.

    Nothing, as you can go to the gas station and buy that gas for that price without my paper.

    Now, if gas goes to $2.759 tomorrow, then that paper is worth $1.00.

    If the price of gas goes to $1.009 tomorrow (fat chance), then the paper has no value whatsoever.

    Now, if I give you a piece of paper that says "I guarantee you 1 gallon of gas" then that paper is worth $1.759 today. If gas goes to $1.00 a gallon, then it is STILL worth $1.00.

    And that is my point - that if Google is actually issuing stock, not options, then they are doing something unusual and worthy of respect.

  22. Re:News at 11 by JhohannaVH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Jeez... I'd be happy with just replacing the damn John Wayne TP! Just cuz it's 2 ply doesn't mean it should leave paper cuts where the sun don't shine!!!

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  23. Re:Not according to google employees by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Informative

    according to the now unfindable by google ninetyninezeros blog

    Can you say troll? This is blatently false