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Google Rewards Employees With Millions

iseff writes "According to News.com, the Google guys created a program in November which rewards employees for outstanding achievements. The program gives the possibility of millions of dollars of stock to teams who perform great work. The goal of the program, according to Brin, is two-fold. First, it allows the company to reward 'genius', or whatever they see as genius. And second, it allows them to continue to hire all sorts of employees. According to the article, they believe that a recent grad who would like to work in a start-up will still be attracted to them because of the opportunity to create something great and be rewarded with millions (and without much of the risk associated with startups)."

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  1. So does that make these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The First Annual Google Awards for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence?

    1. Re:So does that make these by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

      Google defines Excellence as the "the state or condition of being invented and owned by Google."

    2. Re:So does that make these by Mr+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, but it makes the winner the "First Annual Google Genius of Technology".

    3. Re:So does that make these by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, just like all those idiots at Microsoft...

    4. Re:So does that make these by persaud · · Score: 2, Funny

      It makes the winning team the "First Annual Google Genius Lottery Winner", whose likeness can be used to incent other Google Geniuses to work harder.

  2. Project: Retirement by Godling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.

    Alternately, you're in it for the love of the game and no amount of money will make you quit. But then what's the motivation?

    1. Re:Project: Retirement by evilmousse · · Score: 4, Funny


      file that under 'problems i'd like to have'.
      what keeps hugh hefner hard?

    2. Re:Project: Retirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Options don't become stock immediately. Really, we're talking retiring five years after your first multi-million dollar project bonus, so you can actually receive it (assuming the stock is still worth that then... of course, it could be worth even more... or nothing at all).

    3. Re:Project: Retirement by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I'm in it for the love of the game (and I am), then my motivation is to work for the company that rewards my love the most. Even lovers--especially lovers!--like to feel that their love is appreciated and requited. Google understands this. Rather than turning its high-performing lovers into bitter, cynical burnouts, Google is repaying their love every step of the way. And not just their love, but their hard work and long hours over many years--things that drain even the most devoted worker, and for which most companies give minimal compensation.

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    4. Re:Project: Retirement by Kombat · · Score: 2, Informative
      The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.

      RTFA.


      The first two Founders' Awards consisted of restricted stock that was worth $12 million when it was awarded in November to two teams of a dozen or so employees each.


      So $12 million was divided amongst roughly 24 people, or half a million each. That's not enough to retire on.

      The headline might imply that employees are getting "millions" each, but in actuality, a reward program worht "millions" is being dispersed among dozens (hundreds?) of employees. I don't think any individual employees have been rewarded with an award worth "millions."
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    5. Re:Project: Retirement by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Viagra?

    6. Re:Project: Retirement by jonnystiph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.

      Alternately, you're in it for the love of the game and no amount of money will make you quit. But then what's the motivation?


      That's pretty Black and White. I am personally "in it for the love", and although money is not the end all, be all, it is still an incentive. Not implying that I am google employee.

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    7. Re:Project: Retirement by daijo78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps most are in it for the fun of it anyways. During the golden years the founder of one of the most successful startups here in Sweden said that once your employees get wealthy enough they will stop caring about the money and care more about where they can do the most interesting work. If it that benefits Google or not I have no idea:)

    8. Re:Project: Retirement by Skim123 · · Score: 4, Informative
      RTFA ... The headline might imply that employees are getting "millions" each, but in actuality, a reward program worht "millions" is being dispersed among dozens (hundreds?) of employees. I don't think any individual employees have been rewarded with an award worth "millions."

      RTFAATWT - that stands for RTFA All The Way Through. In fact, just read the first few paragraphs and you'd see [emphasis mine]:

      Brin ... said the shares were ****not**** divided evenly, but were distributed according to each individual's contribution. ****Some employees received millions of dollars in stock****, said Brin.
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    9. Re:Project: Retirement by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're a genius, are you able to retire? I've been labeled a genius several times- stock options are not worth the paper they are printed on no matter what the company is, and in the end, genius will get screwed by good liars in marketing EVERY time.

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    10. Re:Project: Retirement by ehiris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who have a million would want the second million.

      Consider that you work somewhere where you or a peer has never been rewarded with a high sum.
      Now consider that you work somewhere where you or a peer has been rewarded a high sum in the past.

      Where will the money reward motivate you more?

      I've never been motivated by money. The only motivation I have towards money is that if I don't make a certain sum, I can't pay my bills and I might have to live in the streets. So the motivation isn't the money, it is the fear that I would have to live in the street.

      Passion for what I do is what really motivates me and money is a reward which could probably be motivating but I know I will never make a high sum where I am now so why bother busting my ass for it?

    11. Re:Project: Retirement by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends on who you hire.

      There is probably nobody who objects to being rewarded handsomely for their services.

      But there are some people people for whom geek karma is priceless.

      The trick is to find the people for whom the money simply validates the message.

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    12. Re:Project: Retirement by evilmousse · · Score: 2, Funny
      what keeps hugh hefner hard?
      Viagra?

      fine, when i'm an unmotivated millionaire i'll take ritalin ^^
    13. Re:Project: Retirement by wolf31o2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      what keeps hugh hefner hard?

      Oh, I don't know. Perhaps it is his 7 blonde girlfriends?

    14. Re:Project: Retirement by afabbro · · Score: 2, Informative
      It isn't? An employee that makes US federal minimum wage and works 40 hour weeks for 50 years from high school graduation until Social Security retirement age will earn a sum total of about $515,000 in their entire lifetime (not adjusted for inflation).

      Which is completely irrelevant.

      The math you want is $500,000 at, oh let's say 6% ultra-safe retirement investment rate = $30,000 a year before taxes. Take out 25% for the Feds and 9% for the state if you live in Kalifornia and you're looking at less than $20,000. And you still haven't paid for health insurance...or many other things.

      The goal in retirement planning is to have a large enough nest egg that you can live off the interest, and hopefully not all of it so you can hedge inflation. Hard to do on $500K.

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    15. Re:Project: Retirement by bendawg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, they'll get a good 4 years from you at least. They are using the classic "golden handcuffs" style of doling them out. The stock doesn't fully vest for 4 years. Who knows whether the stock will continue to remain worth the millions that is now anyway?

    16. Re:Project: Retirement by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BTW, the average person in North American can become a millionair by simply saving $100 per month and investing in a diversified stock fund or ETF for 30+ years.

      The average person would probably LOSE money in investing. $100 a month for 30 years is $36,000. To make a million out of that you'd need a 27.8 times return on investment. Actually it would be more than that if you take taxes and inflation into account. The average person investing in stocks loses money, that's why everyone doesn't do it. Therefore I very much doubt your claims.

  3. Not fair I tell you. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    This kind of thing unfairly punishes those of us who do a half assed job.

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    1. Re:Not fair I tell you. by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he moded it insightful because (last I checked) the funny mod didn't actually increase your karma....so people tend to mod things insightful as a way to reward the person who said something funny. :D

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    2. Re:Not fair I tell you. by kbranch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Insightful is still a pretty dumb idea. If you're going to use a different mod, use underrated. That doesn't carry any description, it just ups the score and (as far as I know) karma.

    3. Re:Not fair I tell you. by drsquare · · Score: 2, Funny

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      So let me get this straight, I jump through hoops and sign up for some things which I don't want and would cause me a load of work, you get an ipod worth hundreds of pounds, and I get a FREE webmail account? I can't help thinking that this is a very one-sided deal.

      I have an idea for something fairer: If you come round and clean my house and mow the lawn, I'll give you a slashdot account.

  4. In other news by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google swimming in post-IPO riches, doesn't know what to do with all that money.

    Seriously though, while giving such extravagant rewards is nice for those that get them, it can cause a lot of resentment among those who don't. It's one thing for someone whose idea is (in my mind) only marginally better, or maybe even worse, than mine to get a $2k bonus when I don't, but it's quite another for them to be suddenly set for life. The politics this sort of thing could create could get ugly.

    Also, there's the problem of attrition. Google is probably already going to be dealing with this issue soon, as many of their brightest engineers already have millions in stock options, but a company that has a lot of instant millionaires one day may end up with a lot of resignation letters the next.

    1. Re:In other news by Tenareth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Get over yourself, life will never be fair.

      Your post is exactly like the other guy that said it's unfair to those that do a half-assed job, the only difference is... he was actually making a joke, I'm very afraid you are being serious.

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    2. Re:In other news by X43B · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad."

      I agree with you that I'm sick of participation trophies and making everyone feel good about themselves, However, I think the original post had a point. They are giving awards out to teams. So say your job is to do some kind of support for one project and the guy next to you does the exact same job for some other project. His team has a genius on it and his idea becomes a major part of the company. Your team has some poor workers and through no fault of your own your project does not do well.

      You don't think there will be blood wars on who gets on the projects most likely to bring in the big bucks?

    3. Re:In other news by kindofblue · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Totally agree. Not only that, but if you have one great idea and get millions, then you've got seed money to bankroll your next great idea. Then instead of getting a payoff of 10 more million, you could easily create another company and be worth 10x or 100x more. I think that if you're really smart, then you know how NOT smart your bosses are, i.e. the founders. If your founders are worth hundreds or thousands of millions (like the Google, Yahoo, or Microsoft founders), then you might still feel undervalued. Once you've got financial security, then your ego still needs to be fed.

      If your motivation is to do great work, and you're already rich, then you might as well just teach and do research at a leisurely pace, armed with a bunch of eager (and poor) grad students. In the research world you can make a long-term, pervasive impact without worrying about giving your competitors ammunition to kill you, as you would by publishing your research from inside a company.

      Basically, I think that keeping the really good employees is always a problem, whether you give them a little or a lot of money.

    4. Re:In other news by jalefkowit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Get over yourself, life will never be fair.

      It's not about whether life is "fair" or not. Showering vast riches on a small group of employees is just bad management, no matter how good their performance is.

      The reason is because you end up creating cliques within the company -- haves and have-nots. The have-nots resent the haves, so they spend their time plotting how to undermine them rather than working with them cooperatively. The haves suddenly find themselves less motivated to care what anyone thinks (ask any Microsoftie about the "FYIFV" buttons that early employees wore when their options suddenly made them millionaires), so they work when they feel like it, on what they feel like.

      The result is that nothing gets done. Great!

      There's no reason why top performers shouldn't get compensated appropriately. But dropping million dollar bombs onto your project teams isn't the way to do it.

    5. Re:In other news by X43B · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't want to get in a flame war with you, but by support I meant those who are not captain of the team, are not leadings its direction, and did not think of the idea. The world I come from is R&D where even in a development team of all PhD people there will be those that skate along doing little or the obligatory work that was not unique to why this project succeded.

    6. Re:In other news by damiangerous · · Score: 2, Informative
      (ask any Microsoftie about the "FYIFV" buttons that early employees wore when their options suddenly made them millionaires)

      So they could laugh at me for propagating an urban legend"?

    7. Re:In other news by Yokaze · · Score: 4, Interesting
      > I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Actually, that isn't America. In comparison to other countries it awards Great Performers (whatever the market decides that is) quite outstandingly.
      Average CEO's pay as a multiple of an average
      worker's pay:

      United States 17.5
      United Kingdom 12.4
      Japan 11.6
      Canada 9.6
      Germany 6.5

      Size of Middle Class:

      Japan 90.0%
      Germany 70.1
      Canada 58.5
      United Kingdom 58.5
      United States 53.7
      Some people suggest, that there might be causal connection with the following table:
      Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

      United States 221
      Canada 94
      United Kingdom 63
      Germany 47
      Japan 1
      Please note, before I am accused as communist, I don't want to force someone to pay someone less. I just want to suggest that the people think about it.
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    8. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right. The ratio of CEO's pay to average worker's has now gone up to 458 times (as of 2000).

      Or to put it another way, the ratio of average CEO's pay to the US President's salary has risen from 2/1 to 62/1 since 1960.

      Another version: shows 411 times.

      I don't have the figures for armed robbery though.

    9. Re:In other news by famebait · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      First of all, the parent didn't actually argue sypathy with the losers, it was a pragmatic argument about the net effect of such systems. There is some quite thorough research to show that the negative effects of bonus systems etc. can and often do more than offset the extra effort extracted (it may be possible to employ rewards well, but it is certainly not automatic). This may be less of a problem in this case though, since the stated goal was to attact startup-types, not to make your average office guy work harder. But ignoring the possibility as a matter of principle would be naïve and silly.

      Secondly: Umm, what planet do you live on, where democratic countries that spread the rewards less than America does are easy to find?

      You also, like many who argue laissez-faire capitalism, seem not to understand the concept of "degree". You make like it's either "winner takes all" or the straw man of not rewarding anything. I do understand the argument that if there is no reward people won't put in their best. I don't believe it's always quite that simple, but yeah, some dangling perks certainly can motivate at least some types of people. But sometimes it seems like you guys want me to believe that if the greatest realistic prospect was the get "just" a few thousand times richer than your neighbour, rather than, say, a billion times richer, everyone would just slack off all day. If you subscribe to that for even one second, you should be reminded in no uncertain terms that you are clearly working from conclusions and backwards, and not the other way around.

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  5. Re:News at 11 by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You make it sound like a joke, but ask some IBM or Intel employees who hold dozens of patents how much money their genius has earned them.

    Of course, that's not to say that every patent is a genius idea, or that large numbers of patents deserve proportionally larger reward, but incentives programs do not typically account for the value of the patent to a company.

  6. Yay! But... by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long can they keep this up? They're a publically held company and eventually they're going to get entrenched like every other "smart" company. Then they quietly stop giving away millions and start selling their address lists...

    Even Ben and Jerry's had to drop its "no executive makes more than 10 times the lowest level employees salary" rule when Ben and Jerry looked for a new CEO.

    I'm all for stuff like this, but how do you sustain it over the long term?

  7. Stock by FullMetalAlchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stock is actually a bit flakey, you can be rich as hell without having any money to buy food with; this happened to me a one point during the great boom.

    Sadly, now I got neither stock or money.

    Still, I bet it strengthen the employee commitment to the company, which is what they want.

    1. Re:Stock by jonnystiph · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sadly, now I got neither stock or money.

      Paying off fines from the Grammar Police?

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  8. as Homer might say by chalkoutline · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google.. is there anything it can't do?

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    1. Re:as Homer might say by flumps · · Score: 3, Funny

      If they did they'd call it Moogle.

      Sorry. Couldn't help it!!

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    2. Re:as Homer might say by PMJ2kx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Boogle, for that hard-to find Halloween candy
      Moogle, Milkin' cows a million miles away
      ooogle...an infinante loop search engine
      Poogle, for the grotesque side of mankind
      Voogle, the hexing and spell-casting search engine
      Yoogle FAIL IT! (self-explanitory)
      Zoogle, nothing but animals.

  9. Re:News at 11 by daveo0331 · · Score: 3, Insightful
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  10. Set the Wayback Machine to 1999 by thparker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    According to the article, they believe that a recent grad who would like to work in a start-up will still be attracted to them because of the opportunity to create something great and be rewarded with millions (and without much of the risk associated with startups).

    Without much of the risk because they're being paid "millions" -- on paper, in the form of Google stock? Some people never learn.

    (Oh, and kids, those "millions" are very likely to be taxable before you ever see a dime of cold hard cash. Enjoy!)

    1. Re:Set the Wayback Machine to 1999 by oliana · · Score: 2, Informative
      From IRS.gov:
      Restricted stock is stock that you get from your employer for services you perform and that is nontransferable and subject to a substantial risk of forfeiture. You do not have to include the value of the stock in your income when you receive it.
      You can elect to pay taxes on it, but who would?

      Me like tax. Tax laws fun.
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    2. Re:Set the Wayback Machine to 1999 by thparker · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think he means "without the risk of the company evaporating". In other words, it's a stable job at a profitable company but you still have a shot at getting rich.

      Thanks for the insight, but I understood what he meant. I just think the fact that a company that is less than 7 years old is considered an unsinkable behemoth whose good fortune is guaranteed is evidence that some folks are drinking the same Kool-Aid they were passing around in the late 90s.

      I'm not saying that Google is doomed, but to say that a company this young and in a business this fickle is "without the risk of evaporating" is kind of silly.

  11. What are the restrictions? by winkydink · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's restricted stock. Which probably means they can't sell before some point in the distant future. At that point, maybe it's worth millions, or maybe you can exchange it 1:1 for shares in Webvan. Who knows?

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    1. Re:What are the restrictions? by blew_fantom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      or, that dude needed to pay rent and buy food. at the time, perhaps taking stocks as payment and risk not being able to pay the bills wasn't an option. the lesson is that sometimes, fortuna favors the bold, but, you still gotta' eat... so you do what you have to do.

      i'm just sayin'.

  12. Just what we need by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More stock based incentives for employees. Didn't we learn from Enron, Worldcom or the dot com boom that stock base incentives causes people to do everything possible to raise the price of the stock including fraud and other dubious business practices. Why can't companies just give cash bonuses.

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    1. Re:Just what we need by jxyama · · Score: 2, Informative

      yeah, this is exactly what i thought. just because this is google doesn't make it immune from poisonous types who will do illegal things to satisfy their greed.

  13. Better than throwing it at execs by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hey, at least they are redirecting their hoarde of gold back at the people who generated it instead of the execs.

  14. Stock, not stock options by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I read the article, Google awarded *stock*, not stock options - and I find that significant.

    Rather than rewarding employees with paper that has no real value today (and which costs the company no real money today) and which might have value in the future, they are rewarding the employees with paper that has value today, and probably will have value in the future (as well as costing the company real money today).

    If that is the case, then kudos to Google.

    If the linked story is incorrect and this is nothing more than options - then I retract my kudos.

    1. Re:Stock, not stock options by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Informative
      it's given out quarterly

      The stock vests in monthly increments over four years,

      FIRST LINE THIRD PARAGRAPH-from the linked story

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  15. Re:Yay! But... by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Luckily the dollar estimates are in Google dollars, only available after Google takes over and starts printing money.

  16. Re:Google may be hot... by Synthageek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I would request cold hard cash instead of stock options
    I agree. This result isn't applicable to just .com's. Many employees see $$ flash before their eyes and hinge their whole retirement on these stock options. As with all stocks, the potential for growth is much greater than taking the cash. I don't think that corporations inform their employees well enough when presenting them different bonus options (it probably isn't even their responsibility to either). I would definitely say "Show me the money".

  17. Just when you thought... by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the market...

    Bubble II

    Huge IPO.
    Massive employee benifits.
    Loads of hype.
    Money flowing all over the place.
    Zero profit.
    Unproven business strategy.

    Happy days are here again!

    When the next fake boom collapses sometime around 2009 or so, will we all blame President Hillary Clinton for it, the way we blamed Bush for the one in 2000? Will GWB strut around bragging about the "balanced budget" projections at the end of his term which were based on the overly-optimistic economic conditions in 2007? Will the SEC do all kinds of hand-waving, arrest a few dishonest accountants, and try to fool us all into thinking we are richer than we really are once again, while both government and personal debt continue to chronically swell up?

    Signs point to yes.

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    1. Re:Just when you thought... by painandgreed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huge IPO.
      Massive employee benifits.
      Loads of hype.
      Money flowing all over the place.
      Zero profit.
      Unproven business strategy.

      Happy days are here again!

      When the next fake boom collapses sometime around 2009 or so...

      ...you learn from the last boom and when things are looking good you jump from "profitable company that isn't going anywhere" to "profitable company that isn't going anywhere" while they loose people to the start-ups and are trying to increase their salaries and benifits to match the start-ups. You may not end up making as much or rolling the crapshoot for millions, but when the new bust hits, you're at a stable company that isn't going anywhere with a salary and benifits that have been pumped up by companies that are long gone.

    2. Re:Just when you thought... by NickV · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um... for someone who mentions "P/E" Ratio, you sure don't understand the basics of finance... why are you looking for the word "profit" when you are talking about financials. You want "earnings"... and lookie... there is in the article!

      "The results did not disappoint. Google's earnings of $52 million, or 19 cents a share, were up from $20.4 million, or 8 cents a share, in the July-to-September period last year. And without one-time charges to cover its stock-based compensation and the settlement of a patent dispute with rival Yahoo Inc., Google said it would have earned 70 cents a share. That beat the consensus estimate of 56 cents a share from securities analysts polled by the Thomson Financial research firm."

      There's a thing called Earnings (profit attributable to shareholders.)
      Look into it, and get back to me.

    3. Re:Just when you thought... by Golias · · Score: 2

      Heh. Or you do like Mark Cuban, and ride the lightning just long enough to be filthy rich, then jump ship a year before everybody else does, buy whatever the worst basketball team in the NBA is at the moment, build them into winners while becoming enough of a celebrity to get your own reality show, and act like a total ass for the rest of your life.

      Hold that tiger! Hold that tiger! ...

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  18. Thirdly.. by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    and most importantly, it will help these deserving geeks to attract beautiful women to themselves.

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    1. Re:Thirdly.. by ralphclark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is not just a funny remark. I find it extremely heartening that in a world still ruled by the ignorant, the warlike, the greedy, the hard-nosed etc - there will still be a few places where ordinary bright guys - who are *not* out to scam anyone - can make the bigtime and (most importantly) greatly improve their chances of reproductive success*. Maybe the human race won't die out just yet.

      *by reproductive success I mean (a) marry a more beautiful woman and thus have more beautful children which in turn...etc and (b) get to shag truckloads of chicks on the side, some of whom will fall pregnant. 'Cos that's the way it works.

  19. Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can someone help me forge my CV so that Google hire me?

  20. What does this mean? by popo · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Is this anything new? At this point in time haven't most multi-billion dollar companies devised employee-incentive and bonus systems? Typically these systems are more downplayed though. It seems as if Google is doing a lot more waving of the carrot.

    This confuses me a little. Why wave the carrot more?

    Is the message that Google is prepared to pay *more* handsomely? Is employee retention difficult for Google? (Are they losing their good people to start-ups?) Is the message that Google is on the warpath for new ideas in the wake of Microsoft Search and therefore needs to wave the carrot more?

    Or could it be that there's a little post-IPO depression setting in over there? (Maybe the vibe is that the party is over and the payoffs that were going to happen, already did).

    Anyone?

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    1. Re:What does this mean? by ornil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My understanding is that they want more and better people (remember the billboard advertisements, google tests, contests, etc), not that they can't retain the ones they have already. They have high standards and the "very smart" employee pool is limited. So, I imagine, they want to poach from other big companies a little.

  21. Re:News at 11 by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No kidding. There are thousands of companies that reward their hard-working, profit-leading, genius employees. It usually comes in one of the following forms:

    coffee (with non-dairy creamer and sugar!)
    a mug/hat/pen with company logo
    doughnuts on the third Tuesday of every month
    reorganization, yay!
    casual Fridays
    2-ply toilet paper in the bathrooms
    annual raise (cost of living * .75)
    pink slip (bright pink!)

    Having worked for a company that does not respect the employees, I applaud any company that sees the value of happy, motivated employees.

  22. Buy Bricks by popo · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Google should learn from the past.

    The bubble taught us all a couple things: Internet companies are not inherently more profitable. They are certainly not a "new paradigm".

    Got cash in the bank? Ok, sure make acquisitions. But don't become a dot-bomb rollup. Buy brick and mortar companies too.

    Rewarding internal (essentially "dot-com") projects, is a bit like valuing dot com companies in an even *more* dangerous way: without the input of the marketplace.

    Seems a little scary.

    Lets hope they reward *profitable* internal projects. Not ones with "potential".

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    1. Re:Buy Bricks by popo · · Score: 2, Funny


      Google has a proven track record and there's no reason to think that its not going to remain successful.

      Wow. I can't think of a platform on shakier ground. You think Google has a proven track record and has no reason NOT to be successful??!??

      Good lord man ... its market cap is higher than GM. Its P/E ratio is hilariously bad. Its got no secret formula... in fact its got nothing but brand and capital. And now its just announced that its going to reward internal promising (dot com) projects to the tune of millions.

      If you're an investor I wish you luck.

      Just tell me one thing. Why is Google going to be more successful than Yahoo!.

      Yahoo doesn't shirk from more profitable revenue streams of image advertising and shopping. Google has a zero-revenue ("froogle") shopping site, a shoot-yourself-in-the-foot advertising strategy and nothing but a fast search. (If you think it can't be toppled you're flat wrong).

      The only smart move Google could make right now is to hedge its technology earned capital against real world assets.

      This isn't a troll. Google is a dot-com era company. Its earnings in no way justify its pricetag. What's amazing is that people are being fooled again...

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  23. Ah the dotcom benefits by snuf23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    During my stint at a dotcom we got some exciting perks! First off was free lunch. Now when the company was less than 20 employees the catered lunch was pretty damn good. Then the company grew and the lunch budget stayed the same, so it became cold cut sandwiches every day. And if you decided to venture out in the pursuit of something else to eat - you got dirty looks from management.
    Then there was the 3 month sabbatical program. Any employee who made their 5 year anniversary got to take a 3 month paid sabbatical. This was much hyped about in the local press - but then the company was only 2 years old at the time. I think one employee actually did get to take this - but the company exploded shortly after the five year mark.
    Or the basketball games on company time - much hyped again by the press as showing how the company cared about physical health of it's employees and didn't want them just sitting for 80 hours a week (how altruistic!). Well, those ended when someone mentioned that injuries while playing basketball on company time were a liability.
    On second thought, some Google stock doesn't sound too bad.

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  24. Do we need a 'Timely' modifier? by jimbro2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who weren't tuned in Sunday, This is the award Mr. Burns gave to Homer on Sunday's episode of the Simpsons. Poster failed, however to work in any jokes about low sperm count.

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  25. You're assuming managers reward fairly by edremy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    At Google, this might actually be the case, but witness all the horror stories of bad management that get posted here.

    Try this scenario- you bust your ass 12 hours a day/7 days a week for a year to spec, design and code Wizzyfoo. It's awesome. It does some really neat things. Two weeks before it goes live, the company decides that Wizzyfoo just isn't compatible with the new direction the company is moving in. All your work is tossed in the bin and you're assigned to a new project. No bonus for you.

    Meanwhile, Bob across the aisle goofs off, posting meaningless replies at /. for most the day and goes golfing with the boss every weekend. Since he's got the ear of the boss, he manages to get a great looking demo before the suits, who decide to make it the new big thing. He gets the cash for the neat demo, even if there's nothing behind it and the product wouldn't work in reality.

    Would this happen at Google? Maybe not, but if you don't think similar happens everyday in industry you're blind. The suckups and losers get rewarded, the truly good get shuffled off since they're hard to deal with.

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    1. Re:You're assuming managers reward fairly by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't be jealous. Simply use the same tactics they use, but do it with your better skills and product. Networking is reality of the business world, and to just get pissed off at people who do it better than you gets you nowhere.

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  26. True, but you miss the point by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

    True, a restricted stock may not be sold today. That is not my point.

    A stock option is normally issued at very nearly today's market price for a stock, and is nothing more than the guarantee that stock may be purchased at that price.

    If gasoline is $1.759 a gallon, and I offer you a piece of paper saying "I guarantee you can buy a gallon of gasoline from me for $1.759", how much is that paper worth right now.

    Nothing, as you can go to the gas station and buy that gas for that price without my paper.

    Now, if gas goes to $2.759 tomorrow, then that paper is worth $1.00.

    If the price of gas goes to $1.009 tomorrow (fat chance), then the paper has no value whatsoever.

    Now, if I give you a piece of paper that says "I guarantee you 1 gallon of gas" then that paper is worth $1.759 today. If gas goes to $1.00 a gallon, then it is STILL worth $1.00.

    And that is my point - that if Google is actually issuing stock, not options, then they are doing something unusual and worthy of respect.

  27. Rewards by sxmjmae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is good to reward the team that develope a key aspect of your product.

    When all the other smart guys could not write code to do the job a friend of mine had a stroke of insight and wrote the entire code in day by himself (only a few thousand lines of code). They had been trying to develope the code for nearly a year. In this case it can be said he is truely the sole developer. In many cases it is a small team of 5-10 individuals.

    They company promptly sold the code for $7 million later that year. His bonus was take your wife out and the company will cover the check. A good way to promote smart people to work harder. The smart people are smart enough to know when they have been insulted and leave. All you are left with is stupid people.

    I am sure the senior executes recieved a much better bonus.

    Needless to say if they would have rewarded him with say $70 000 he would have been happy and continued to work hard for years. At his current job the code he writes generates about $15-20 million a year in sales (but he is part of a small team of developers 50 individuals and equally as many sales staff). He is currenlty well paid and gets extra paid time off after each project (I think last year he had about 4 months off - partly because the team he works on got the project done 2 month ahead of schedule). He has no plans of looking for a job anywhere else.

    Lesson learned:
    treat your employees fairly and they will stick around. Treat your smart employees with respect and they will never leave.

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  28. Re:News at 11 by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Try working in the public sector. Our management is so afraid that the public will see us getting a perk (and then vote down the next levy because 'those Hospital guys did a river cruise!') that the best we get is ice cream once a quarter.

    It sucks.

  29. Re:No more "Google is a great place to work" stori by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 2, Informative

    Depression is like stubbing your toe on a doorframe. The pain is telling you something. In the case of a busted toe it means don't do that again. In the case of depression it means do something.

  30. Not according to google employees by MushMouth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    according to the now unfindable by google ninetyninezeros blog, they don't pay all that well, they expect top 10% but only pay average salaries.

    http://www.bloglines.com/blog/WRJ?subid=6578013

    1. Re:Not according to google employees by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Informative

      according to the now unfindable by google ninetyninezeros blog

      Can you say troll? This is blatently false

  31. Re:News at 11 by chrisopherpace · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is a domain name, not a TLD. A Top Level Domain is .net, .org, etc.

  32. Re:News at 11 by bit01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... incentives programs do not typically account for the value of the patent to a company.

    Public companies are required by law to maximise their profit. Profit is not usually maximised by giving large bonuses to employees.

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    It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work.
    It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.
    Reform IP law and stop the M$/RIAA abuse.

  33. Re:News at 11 by JhohannaVH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Jeez... I'd be happy with just replacing the damn John Wayne TP! Just cuz it's 2 ply doesn't mean it should leave paper cuts where the sun don't shine!!!

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  34. Re:News at 11 by ZigMonty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then why do CEOs, etc receive large (some would say outrageous) performance bonuses? If a low-level grunt invents the Next Big Thing, and makes the company millions, why doesn't he get the large bonus? I guess it was the brilliant "Mission Statement" the CEO came up with that really lead to the success.

  35. I've seen this before by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A friend of mine, a fairly competent sales rep, started his own printing company a couple of years ago. I worked for him for a while doing pre-print and graphic design, but I couldn't hack it for very long, as he gave the reps he employed free rein. The company was a sales person paradise, perks, insanely high wages, they could say what they liked to whoever they liked. It was the kind of company my friend would have liked to work for, so thats what he built.

    Needless to say, that went under in about a year, and I got the equipment in lieu of pay that had been given to salespeople instead, but the point of this is that google was founded by highly intelligent, academic people, and what they are doing is building an academics dream job. Intelligence is rewarded, whether applying for a job, or within the job itself. I do applaud their strategies, which are fairly novel, but you can't run a business like that. Their results have been slipping in terms of accuracy and reliability, their image search is actually less useful than the new MSN effort, and the pay per click model (which I'm betting is a good portion of their income) is starting to get a seriously bad name, as companies realise that competitors are costing them money by simply clicking on their adverts.

    By indulging in these "gentlemans club" policies, and losing sight of their core functionality, google will go the way of the dot bombs. Intelligence doth not a successful business make.