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ESR steps down from OSI

Hope Thelps writes "According to an article on news.com.com, Eric Raymond is stepping down from his role as president of the OSI. His replacement will be our very own Russ Nelson. "

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  1. More info on Russ Nelson by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The submissions mentioned Russ's Slashdot Page, but a lot more info about him can be found at his home page and/or his company Crynwr.

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    1. Re:More info on Russ Nelson by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Informative

      It gets better. http://quaker.org/
      and better yet: http://quaker.org/meetings.html
      -russ
      p.s. I actually got a very lucrative job involving international travel precisely BECAUSE my web page is designed by a hacker. They chose me, you see, because they didn't want to deal with marketing nonsense.

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    2. Re:More info on Russ Nelson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      see, *now* I feel quite a bit more comfortable with you leading the movement. I'm sure I could have just read up on you or something, but to be proven wrong so thoroughly takes both a talented idiot like me and a powerful genius like you. any way you look at it, the heirarchy is there.

  2. ObESR Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fear not, knowledgeable people, and learn quite how full of shit ESR is.

  3. Misunderstading... by Tellarin · · Score: 2, Informative


    ESR didn't step down, according to the article, he stepped aside. :)

  4. "OSI Certified" by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you entity don't set financial, technical or legal standards, it's probably not really needed.

    Open Source Initiative does in fact set legal standards. It maintains a definition of what constitutes an open source license and approves licenses for use with its OSI CERTIFIED branding program.

  5. Re:looks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You decide

  6. Re:OSI approval required for open-source licenses? by k98sven · · Score: 2, Informative

    IIRC, OSI was not granted a trademark on the phrase "open source", so anyone can use it for nearly anything.

    No, not the OSI, but another organization founded by Bruce Perens, the SPI (Software in the Public Interest). Tradmark #75439502.

    Then there was a little scuffle where the OSI wanted the trademark from the SPI, and I think it ended up being abandoned, and now the OSI has their 'certification mark' instead.

    But in any case, Perens was the guy who co-founded the OSI and coined the term, and at the very least he has a certain moral right to it.

  7. Re:[tt] You could see this one coming by blahtree · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fidel Castro did not get rid of Che. Che was given several high ranking posts in the government but he chose to leave in order to fight for other oppressed people.

    Poor example.

  8. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well, it says here:

    "I am the person who first announced "Open Source" to the world, in an article carried on Slashdot and elsewhere."

    He also trademarked the thing, wrote the OSI definition, and cofounded the OSI. I don't see why he couldn't or wouldn't be allowed to make that claim.

  9. Coming ... and going by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Fanatics like ESR might do good to the cause in the early stages of revolution, but in the longer run, they will always prove to be an annoyance and will be dealt with.
    I see ESR not so much a fanatic as a self-righteous twit. And from what little I know of Russ Nelson, he's not much better. From his web site:
    I have {no patience} for idiots who think that they can {hide from spammers} by having their email address removed from public HTML pages. Fortunately, they usually forget that Google is {publishing their "secrets"}.
    I've used curlies to indicate links, one of which is broken, another points to an obsolete Google cache, and the third points to an old mailing list item that doesn't explain anything. If you're going to call thousands of people "idiots", the least you can do is attempt to justify your low evaluation.

    If this kind of tantrum junkie is the best spokesperson the open source movement can find, they're really in trouble!

  10. Re:Attn: Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  11. Re:[tt] You could see this one coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    The American Revolution wasn't a revolution, exactly. The people who orchestrated and lead the American Revolution weren't revolutionaries in the sense we normally use that word-- they were extant local political leaders, almost all of them elected local political leaders. The American Revolution wasn't the people rising up to overthrow a system, it was two empowered groups fighting over spheres of influence.

    Just like every other revolution. There has never been a revolution of the powerless masses and there probably never will be. I looked up the definition of revolution and it doesn't say anything about people rising up. It just says, "The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another."

  12. Re:OSI Approval by 0racle · · Score: 3, Informative

    No they didn't and yes the phrase existed before the OSI was founded and it was not limited to software.

    1992
    1991
    1990 Speaking about BSD's open source policy

    It also has a large amount of use relating to the access of Intellegence information. The OSI simply used a common term relating to source code that is accessable, they did not coin the term and in no way have any way to justify any claims regarding ownership or oversight of it, it is simply a discriptive phrase.

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  13. SPYWARE WARNING! DO NOT CLICK LINK! by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 1, Informative

    Do NOT click the parents link! It contains spyware; GAIN and Claria. You have been warned. If you have already clicked the link, run a spyware scan using updated profiles.

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  14. Re:It looks like.. by el-spectre · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK, but you're hardly making the case for sensible gun owners (of which I know many) by flipping out over a quick joke.

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  15. Not entirely true by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is that a fault of Russians or a "dreamer" like Marx? I think a dictatoral state is the end result of any system that advocates "from each according his ability, to each according to his needs." You need a ruling class to start handing out rations as no one has a right to private property.

    Not any more than you need a ruling class for capitalism to work (someone owns the land, someone works for someone else).

    There has been at least one working communist system that was inherently democratic ... the communal communes of Spain in the early 20th century. The country as a whole was a dual system, half capitalist, half communist. The local communists were very democratic and outcompeted their capitalist competitors (Note: communism != centrally planned).

    Both Washington and Moscow had strong interest in undermining this particular example of communism. Washington because it showed communism could outcompete capitalism under the right circumstances (small, democratic, self-organized communes and cooperatives trading with one another) and Moscow because it undermined their argument that communism required authoritarianism to work (this was particularly troublesome as the Spanish democratic variant was working far better than stalinism ever did).

    The Spanish government coopted the communists into their system legally, then modified the laws to make them uncompetative and ultimately illegal. Kind of like what is happening to the internet vis-a-vis the expanded copyright laws today.

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  16. Re:Who the hell is Russ Nelson? by theendlessnow · · Score: 2, Informative
    Apparently he is President of OSI.

    Seriously.. If you don't know who Russ is, you probably have never been to a Linux conference, or have never attempted qmail.

  17. Re:[tt] You could see this one coming by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well except that the people supporting the revolution where only 1/5th the population at the start. Also note that local leadership had no real power. They most certainly weren't "established" in terms of holding the reins of power. It was all about "taxation without representation", if you'll recall highschool history class. In terms of "autonomy, not change", then why was it called The Great Experiment? Hint: it was a *radical* departure.

  18. Re:Stumping for irony. by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the front page of the OSI website: (emphasis theirs)

    "The basic idea behind open source is very simple: When programmers can read, redistribute, and modify the source code for a piece of software, the software evolves. People improve it, people adapt it, people fix bugs. And this can happen at a speed that, if one is used to the slow pace of conventional software development, seems astonishing.

    We in the open source community have learned that this rapid evolutionary process produces better software than the traditional closed model, in which only a very few programmers can see the source and everybody else must blindly use an opaque block of bits.

    Open Source Initiative exists to make this case to the commercial world."

    The Open Source Initiative started the open source movement and defines the term "open source". That is a development methodology aimed chiefly at businesses. I fail to see how my wording or RMS' views of the open source philosophy fail to describe what's going on.

    It's also disappointing to see that the new head of the OSI takes so quickly to name-calling and casting aspersions.

  19. Re:Stumping for irony. by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative
    The NPR report from Brazil used the term "Open Source" because you're more successful at the publicity than the FSF.

    The thing is, to end programmers, the FSF has actually given us stuff. I think that was the grandparent's point. We don't really give a crap whether "Open Source" is a popular name or not.

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