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Phone Numbers Go Locationless

flipper65 writes "Well, it looks like one of the last bastions of the regional Bells is under attack. Now your VoIP provider can give you their own area code and exchange. With the proliferation of broadband and voice services, your land line is now as mobile as your cell phone, and cheaper. Look for this to turn in to a battle royal. The regional bells will not go quietly into that good night."

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  1. Portability by mreed911 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Makes one wonder about lawsuits coming with regards to local number portability...

    "I moved to Kansas from Texas, but I still want to keep my Dallas area code! I want SBC to have to transfer my POTS phone number to my new address!"

    For VoIP providers, this is a relatively easy task - they just assign the inbound number to an account/IP address. For POTS providers, this is a bit more complex, as the routing tables on the Class 5 switches (using SS7) aren't set up like DNS is for the internet...

  2. Re:I Wonder... by pjay_dml · · Score: 3, Informative

    Something like that is actually happening in Germany, where existing laws are being used, to hinder VoIP providers from entering the market, and you bet that Telekom (former staat owned telco) is doing everything to keep this kind of competition out of the market!

    Selfpreservation is a natural law, the lies and hypocricy is what bothers me really.

    It will take a while until we see that next digital revolution...

  3. Southern Bell Corp (SBC) Cingular and ATT by smootherxp · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the 3G and 4G plans at Cingular and the parent company SBC you will use them for all your needs. Via UMTS you will have 100mb+ wireless data connections. This is currently only in 4 markets and it will take a year before more markets are included because of the mergers. It is the main reason for all the SBC/ATT mergers. SBC is planning on providing VOIP for your Cell phone. Stick with us we are leading the way in technology. Cingular is on the GSM model ... find out more on the http://www.gsmworld.com website. Also if you get a chance see who is running the "Americas" GSM migration plan. T-Mobil also uses GSM but they are far behind Cingular. Verison Sprint and Nextel all use proprietary protocols not GSM Open Standards.

  4. Re:I Wonder... by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Informative

    I will exchange a London number for a New York number... any takers...

    I've heard rumors that Vontage is none too hip to this idea. While the advertise the fact that you can make a call from *anywhere* with an internet connection I've been told they crack down if you use the service too much i.e. if you were to buy a box with a New York number and use it only in London.

    Assuming this is correct, which wouldn't shock me, you would need an IP that looked like the area you're getting VoIP service. When I get off my lazy bum I'll look into either proxy, VPN, or dish from Merida to the states and VoIP service state side.

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  5. Spain's also moving that way by jez99 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hi! Just to say that. Today, in El navegante (a blog section of the spanish newspaper "el mundo"), there is this new about the spanish CMT ("Comision del Mercado de las Telecomunicaciones"), which is -more or less- the spanish FCC, had drop out a kind of a recomendation sheet on the IpVoice in spain, and it's point is the same. give 'phone numbers' for IpVoice users. have fun.

  6. Re:Will US cell charges become more "European" now by morzel · · Score: 4, Informative
    If I dial a mobile in another country, I have no competitive bargaining power for what I'll be charged, right?
    Wrong, actually...

    When dialing a cellphone that is abroad and using roaming, the caller still pays the usual (local) tariff since he cannot know that the callee is abroad. The callee has to pay the extra charges for the international traffic, since he (presumeably) knows what those extra charges are going to be if he picks up the phone.

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  7. Re:I Wonder... by dmayle · · Score: 5, Informative

    <<I will exchange a London number for a New York number... any takers...>>

    I've heard rumors that Vontage is none too hip to this idea. While the advertise the fact that you can make a call from *anywhere* with an internet connection I've been told they crack down if you use the service too much i.e. if you were to buy a box with a New York number and use it only in London.

    I've got to say that this is not true at all. I use Vonage from France with a U.S. phone number (about 3 hours of phone calls every weekend). When Vonage found out about this, not only weren't they bothered, but they asked to me to do an interview with the Wall Street Journal. Also, they now happily offer up the virtual phone numbers in all of their countries to any customer for around $5/month. If I want, I can add a UK, US, Canada, or Mexico phone number.

  8. Re:Will US cell charges become more "European" now by Eivind · · Score: 3, Informative
    I know the subscriber paying for all calls, incoming and outgoing, is a bit bizarre to non-US users, but it is definitely better. If I dial a mobile in another country, I have no competitive bargaining power for what I'll be charged, right?

    Wrong.

    The person calling (and paying) typically has the choise between multiple different providers. He chooses one of them as the "default" and accesses any of the other ones by using a prefix.

    So, for example I use 01013 as a default prefix, which means that if I pick up the phone and dial a mobile phone I'll pay what they charge pro minute. Mostly I'll manually dial 01071+number when dialing a mobile phone since they're cheaper on that though.

    I don't have to do this manually, there's "least cost routers" available that you install between the phone and the landline that will automatically dial the prefix that is cheapest for the number you want to reach.

  9. Re:I Wonder... by flipper65 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The reason this is a big deal (and in the interest of full disclosure I work for a VoIP provider) is that it is one less hurdle. Sure, you can get phone numbers from Vonage and the like now, but for them to get those numbers they have to go to the LEC in that NPANXX area and negotiate with them. In some areas the LEC just tells them to kiss off, we are not going to sell you numbers (this is the case in most rural telecom areas). This ruling will allow providers to go directly to the NANPA directly for numbers.

  10. Re:Emergency Numbers by flipper65 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, as a local market VoIP provider, we offer 911 service. We work with the 911 authority to update their database when we assign a client a number. Of course, the problem here is if the client moves locations and doesn't inform us. The lack of an elegant 911 system is definitely the biggest stumbling block to wide spread VoIP deployment IMHO

  11. Re:I Wonder... by lga · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you use sipgate (http://www.sipgate.co.uk/) you can sign up for just about any area code in the UK. You can choose any area you want when it asks you for your "area code of residence" and your billing address can be somewhere else.

    You can also get a free US number to forward to any SIP phone from http://www.ipkall.com/

  12. Re:Emergency Numbers by Big_Al_B · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes.

    Enhanced 911 Services, or 911 trunks to each PSAP in markets served by $VoIP_Company both solve this problem. Neither is manditory, but many providers offer it to achieve parity with POTS features.

    E911 is not just for wireless anymore. Here's another good link:

    http://www.911dispatch.com/information/voip.html

  13. Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night by Kevin143 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    ~Dylan Thomas

  14. Re:I Wonder... by jpc · · Score: 2, Informative


    The small print for packet8 says you can only use the "International plan" from outside the US. Which is $49.95 a month, which is a bit steep.

  15. Re:I Wonder... by KontinMonet · · Score: 3, Informative

    UK? Go to redtelecom.co.uk, sipgate.co.uk, voipuser.com (amongst others). You can get just about any area code including local, London national (02000), 08xx etc.. And I've seen US clients using UK numbers (gives them a European presence). Some say that 01/02 can only be used by UK residents. Vonage.co.uk gives London area codes at the moment.

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