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Norway Considers New Copyright Laws

bizpile writes "The Norwegian government is considering a change to copyright laws that would make it illegal to rip a CD to MP3s when copy protection is in place on the CD. However, you would still be allowed to copy from one CD to another regardless of copy protection. Gisle Hannemyr, of the University of Oslo's Department of Informatics, responded by saying "We are going to be a nation of lawbreakers if this law is passed in its current form." The new proposal would allow fines and a maximum penalty of three years in prison for violating copyrights and engaging in computer piracy."

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  1. Better explanation, (From the article) by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 4, Informative
    The amendment, which requires parliament's approval, would make it illegal to crack security codes on DVD and CDs or to provide software or hardware for doing so, a news release said. It would still be legal for a person to make a copy of their own CD or DVD for private use, even if that means cracking the code, as long as it was being copied onto the same digital medium and not onto another one.

    "For example, a CD's (security code) could be cracked to play a recording on a car stereo, since a CD-player would be seen as an appropriate medium," the news release said. "But the security code could not be cracked to copy the recording onto an MP-3 player, since such a device would not be seen as an appropriate for a CD."

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    1. Re:Better explanation, (From the article) by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Informative


      as long as it was being copied onto the same digital medium and not onto another one.


      Memory chips used for RAM are a "different digital medium".
      So even playing a DVD normally, would be illegal since the decoded stream at some point has to pass through RAM for the program to use it.

      It's another case of "make all normal uses illegal, but promise to enforce the law selectively". Yah...right.

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  2. Norway is bound to do this by Husgaard · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is sad but true: Although not an EU member, Norway is bound to implement the InfoSoc directive in their laws.

    And if you wonder what the InfoSoc directive is: It is basically EUs copy of the DMCA, only a bit worse.

  3. Re:CD to CD to MP3 by shigelojoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, the article says that you can't transfer music from CDs to MP3 *players*. So, not only can you still rip the CD to MP3 and play it on your computer, you could also rip the CD to AAC or Ogg Vorbis and put on a "portable music player" which isn't limited to only MP3. Technicalities, yes, but not violating the word of the law -- assuming, of course, that the author of the article correctly characterized the content of the legislation, which almost never happens, regardless of the country.

  4. Re:CD to CD to MP3 by AltaMannen · · Score: 2, Informative

    The law would require any backup to be made to the same medium, so a CD can only be copied to a CD and not be transfered to a harddrive or flash ram. In the CD to MP3 example they seem to imply that normal music CDs are copy protected, and that converting CD tracks to MP3s require some sort of code-breaking ("cracking") to occur.

    Does anyone know if the law targets all CDs as seem implied or only CDs that have some form of DRM?

  5. Re:A good piece of investigative journalism... by dabrepus · · Score: 2, Informative

    The law is in a large part proposed due to a EU directive (Norway isn't even a member the EU, but in the EC). Especially the parts about copy protection are there because the government has to follow this directive.

    I believe Norway is the last country in the EC to do this.

  6. Re:On copyright restrictions and copyright laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Really, it's interesting that such anti-consumer laws can get passed in the first place.

    It hasn't been passed, infact it's unlikely to ever get passed - besides the obvious problem of being stupid, it is seen as a direct threat to the whole norwegian justice system which is based primarily on legislation. Any unenforceable law, the police have already signaled that they opposed it and would not be able to enforce it in any meaningful way, like this weakens the whole system.

    Unlike what the parent poster may think industry lobbying has virtually no influence on the courts and government here (DVD-Jon was aquitted remember?) it's quite unlikely that parliment would pass it (our government consists of ordinary people who are at the mercy of the voting public).

  7. Same penalty as theft by Aewyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    IANAL, but a quick search seems to indicate[1] that the penalty for theft is the same as in your quote: fines and up to three years in prison.

    [1] http://lovdata.no/all/hl-19020522-010.html#257 (in Norwegian)

    1. Re:Same penalty as theft by thePjunisher · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out http://lovdata.no/all/hl-19020522-010.html#391a That's the one about stealing smaller items... Fines and/or 6 months in prison

  8. Re:Freedom of use by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not necessarily true. The RIAA was experimenting with analog watermarking a few years ago. If that were ever implemented on a wide scale, it would mean that the A/D converter in your sound card would refuse to output data if it detected any watermarking in the output signal of your CD player. I don't know how far they got (or if it is actually practical, it may have just been a political tool) but don't assume anything, anymore. We live in the age of cheap DSP and corrupt lawmakers. Anything is possible when it comes to controlling music distribution.

    Of course, technically one could build a 16-bit A/C (or buy an off-the-shelf industrial A/D board from the likes of Keithley or Analogic) and record that way (it's what I'd do) but that's way beyond the average listener.

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  9. Re:What's even more sad.. by Husgaard · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...is that these kinds of directives are impossible to fight. Look at the date for the InfoSoc directive. 2001. Yes, four years ago. Yet we have no choice but to implement it, except for a highly theoretical veto right (from not being in the EU, only EUs lap dog).
    It probably doesn't help you much, but: I am from Denmark and although we are full EU members, our influence on this directive was effectively zero.
    What can public pressure do? Implemented by 2005. Uproar by 2006. New proposal to EU in 2008. New directive in 2010. New law in 2015. Try keeping the public's attention for ten years while playing the ladder game with the corporations. They'll slide you right back to square one when people aren't looking.
    Public pressure can do something about how the directive is implemented in your local law. There are a lot of contradictions in the directive text making it possible to do a "light" implementation in your local law implementation of it.

    When the directive was about to be implemented in Denmark, I spent some time studying the directive and the proposed danish law change. After I proposed an amendment to the proposed law change (in danish). There was some critique of this, and after some discussion I sent out a revised proposal for an amendment to the proposed law change (in danish).

    My revised proposal fully implemented the directive, but would make it legal to:

    1. Talk about how copy protections can be broken.
    2. Publicize the source code for programs that break copy protections.
    3. Compile and use programs that break copy protections, if done non-commercially and the purpose is either:
      • Fair use of the protected contents.
      • Viewing the protected contents on computer systems not having an approved viewer, if such viewing would be legal on other computer systems.
      • Getting access to contents where the copyright protection has expired.

    I think this proposal worried our government, because the day after I sent out the revised proposal for an amendment to the proposed law change, our government sent out a press release saying "The law has to be interpreted so that it is legal to circumvent copy protections that makes it hard to use a legally purchased protected works on for example a Linux computer".

    The law text itself was not changed, but the law notes that tell how the law must be interpreted was. The result is that I now legally can view DVDs on my PC, and that would not have been legal without this public pressure.

    If you are interested in trying to change the norwegian implementation of InfoSoc, I think you will find a lot of inspiration in the two proposed amendments I have linked to above.

  10. Re:Penalties by Thomas+Henden · · Score: 1, Informative

    The maximum prison time for breaking the new law, is 3 - three - years, and probably as much to pay, as the music industry will claim they've lost! In Norway - three years in prison as a maximum sentence, is VERY strict, probably about the same as for manslaughter, rape or bank robbery, when the circumstances for the defendant aren't pointing in a serious direction. (If there is a bad family history, or anything that could explain the defendant's poor behaviour, and which could be corrected, you seldom get three years in prison for violence in Norway. A psychopath or someone who don't regret their actions, will get a more servere sentence - sometimes!)