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The Death of the Music CD

Rick Zeman writes "According to the Washington Post, the next new music format will be...no format. From the article: 'What the consumer would buy is a data file, and you could create whatever you need. If you want to make an MP3, you make an MP3. If you want a DVD-Audio surround disc, you make that.'"

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  1. Sound's Great... by yotto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...Until they DRM it every way but sideways.

    1. Re:Sound's Great... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It will take more than DRM to safegaurd digital media. The problem is the existance of formats that don't have DRM, as everyone on /. knows you only need to break the DRM once, convert it to a non DRM format (say Ogg Vorbis) and then the cat is out of bag. It's foolish to think that Microsoft and the media companies don't realise this, which is where TCPA comes in. Their ultimate goal is not to allow a user to access DRM media on any device that also lets the user encode or decode non DRM formats.

      The repurcussions of this are that in the future we may see normal PC's and media PC's become seperate markets. The media companies won't allow you to download or play a DRM media file on a normal PC but they will on your **AA company approved media center PC.

      The future could be very bleak for the computer as we know it.

    2. Re:Sound's Great... by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know, when I bought groceries the other day, I went back to the store to tell the store manager that it wasn't a cash transaction that had occured at all, but in fact I had actually entered into a contract with him. He had implicitly agreed to this contract by allowing his cashier to take my money. He was pretty steamed about it all, but I just had my attack lawyers rope him up while I appropriated his car, home, and wife, as the terms of our implicit contract unambigously state are now mine.

    3. Re:Sound's Great... by kenthorvath · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The "product" is a licence, that is, a contract.

      Sorry, but a physical disc is not a license. Does anyone here know what types of things can actually be licensed? Can Mars Incorporated license me a Snicker's bar under the conditions that I won't share it with my friend?

      Certain types of things do seem to be licensable. As far as I can tell, it seems that intellectual property and other things that a person has exclusive rights to can be licensed. That is, they can extend those rights to someone under the terms of a license. However, there are also first sale rights that come with the purchase of a product, such as a CD. I have the right to burn it, destroy it, or do whatever else I want with it as the owner. That includes shining a laser onto it and reading off the reflected beam.

      I don't think anyone would argue that I have the right to read what's on the disc, license or not. It doesn't seem like the type of thing that is licensable.

      In fact, if it were, then there would not be a need for the DMCA, because breaking DRM would have already been illegal. But, it appears that it was not. It required legislation to forbid such behavior.

    4. Re:Sound's Great... by cyberformer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why should such a licence not be enforceable? Why should you not be liable for breaking the contract?

      Several reasons:

      1. I may not actually have read it or agreed to it. With software, you often need to buy the product before you see that what you are purchasing is actually not a product at all, just a license. Will music be any different?

      2. I don't have the opportunity to negotiate it. The contracts are written by the lawyers for big media companies, and are deliberately one-sided, often containing terms that are not even legally enforeable.

      3. Advertising (particularly for DVDs) frequently tells me that I can "own" content. If what I am really buying is a license, this is deception and fraud.

      4. I may be a minor. In most jurisdictions, people under a certain age (usually 18) cannot enter into legally binding contracts. These people make up a large proportion of the target market for games, music and (especially) music.

    5. Re:Sound's Great... by kenthorvath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're definitely correct. And Microsoft agrees with you. Last year I decided to sell my copy of Office 2000 on eBay. It is a retail-box version, which is not tied by an OEM license to any hardware.

      Unfortunately, I have misplaced a few bits and pieces of the box it came in. I was ordered by the eBay authorities to delist my copy of Office. Owning the CD, with the jewel box, the CD Key, even the user's manual, does not 'license' me to that copy of Office.

      Yes, but your inability to sell your copy of office on eBay is an eBay policy, not a legal issue. If you stood on the street corner and held up a sign that said "Office $10", then you would be within your rights (zoning restrictions, tax law, and all other business regulations not withstanding) to sell your copy of Office for $10.

      It does not necessarily follow from that, however, that another user is entitled to execute the bits that are on the CD, if it is in violation of the click-through EULA that he must agree to to continue using it. But EULA's are another story, and quite seperate from the issue of whether music CD's are licensed.

  2. m ... i don't know ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A file format will _allways_ have to be involved, even what this people call "no format", will be a format, raw audio is also a file format, The point is that raw, uncompressed formats are not really very usefull to transfer over the net, compression is fundamental, unleast you want to remix it, or do some quality job over the audio, in which case, you need the full, uncompressed, high quality original, people will want a compressed, small format.

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  3. A New Type of Store... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    That'd be pretty cool...

    To prevent the industry (CD Retailers) from going entirely bankrupt though, perhaps the CD stores (current ones) could instead become "customizing stations", in which customers could request certain songs and have a professional (label, case, everything)CD made for them. Sure you could do it at home, but couldn't you always order a CD from Amazon? And since all the shop would really need is a burner, access to a database of songs, and a computer, it could be as small as a stall!

    From the way I see it, the CD Retailers will:

    A) Go out of business...

    B) Take their shop online!

    C) Merge with an existing online retailer (most likely)

    D) Do the CD creation for customers by downsizing their shop to a music stall (in the mall).

  4. Re:I doubt it by toddestan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It takes a high end 486 to a Pentium to decode MP3 files in the x86 world, yet there are MP3 players that last a long time on a single AA battery. All that someone would have to do is create a dedicated FLAC decoding chip.

  5. Fine as long as lossless by PrayingWolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fine, as long as they still sell the lossless version for the same price as the lossy compressed one...
    and to me even a high quality mp3 is lossy.

  6. Re:I doubt it by tuffy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    All that someone would have to do is create a dedicated FLAC decoding chip.

    That's probably overkill. FLAC decoding is all integer ops so you could do it on some cheap ARM chip without any problem. The ease of it is likely why FLAC is already supported on various bits of hardware.

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  7. Re:I doubt it by BossMC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But they only compress to about 50% so a CD full of them could only hold two albums instead of one

    I used FLAC for a while, and I found that it compressed rock to about .75 of original size, and G'd up thuggin' west coast gangsta rap to .60 of original size. I assume that rap compresses better because it has much more redundancy, that is, "wut wut wut" and some bassline will compress better than your everyday rock song.

    In terms of cpu draw, I found that ripping a CD was not CPU bound when using FLAC, but limited to the speed of the cdrom drive. Even still, PC cdrom drives can process the audio off of a CD on their own (See grey cable) which is a testament to how little processing raw PCM data must take.

  8. Times change by __aadkms7016 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The habits of "most ordinary people" change with the generations. Many people still alive in the US remember when horse racing, boxing, and baseball were the three major sports that "most ordinary people" cared about. Today, only baseball hangs on to that claim ...

  9. Wrong by Donny+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >The music industry wants to give us LESS and charge us MORE.

    A tipical /. comment appropriately modded insightful. At the same time it's completely wrong.

    Because all the music industry has rights to their content, there is nothing to "give you*", so it's stupid to claim they want to give you LESS.
    * For example, they can simply allow you (i.e. make it legal) that you can keep downloading shit via P2P networks. They even don't need to provide download service as the content is mostly out there on the Network.
    Do they want to charge more?
    As profit-making enterprises, they should be trying to charge more, which is no problem if they offer disproportionately more in return. If you're currently a net-thief (i.e. you steal more than you buy), you'll pay "more" if you buy everything. Folks who pay for all their content will probably pay (relatively) less than they do now.

    >They're not going to give us more.

    They don't care - they can give you use-rights to everything they own as long as you pay more. For example, if you approach a studio and offer them $10K in cash for "all you can see" I believe they'd accept it as they know they now squeeze (say) $3K per lifetime per customer of your traits. The fact that the average $3K customer sees 1,935 movies for those $3K and you'd see 24,292 titles for your $10K is of no importance whatsoever.

    The article is correct in saying that the format of the future is no format at all but not because you buy data (and convert it any way you want) but because you buy use-rights to a song and you don't even need to own the data.
    Music can be played someplace else and delivered to your earphone's via GPRS phone or DSL.

  10. Magnatune already does this by JawaSpot · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The online music store Magnatune already does this.
    From the FAQ:
    When you buy music on Magnatune, you can download the music
    in a variety of formats -- and you can download all the different
    versions you want.

    There are 5 major formats availabe to buyers:

    44k/16bit WAV: zip file of perfect quality WAV files.
    FLAC: zip file of perfect quality FLAC files.
    OGG: zip file of high quality OGG files.
    128kb MP3: zip file of 128kb MP3 files.
    MP3 VBR: zip of high quality MP3 VBR files.

    In addition, you can download individual songs as either 128k
    MP3s or WAV files.
    Other nice things about Magnatune are:
    • You can listen to every song all the way through (in streaming 128kbps mp3) as much as you want before buying
    • You decide how much you want to pay for an album, and exactly half of your money goes straight to the artist

  11. Re:Random thoughts by danila · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. MP3 is a standard too. It plays on all computers, all digital players (except the few old Sony players that noone bought), many cellphones and portable game consoles. And I bet that CD didn't become the standard it is today overnight.

    2. I won't trust you, because it was proven time and time again, that audiophiles lose their ability to distinguish 128 from 192 and CD from MP3 as long as the testing is blind. 128Kbit MP3s are good enough for more than 90% of the people. And the latest OGG/AAC/WMA/MP3Pro are good enough for 99%.

    3. That doesn't work. You are not an authority figure, so there is no reason to repeat after you anything. We can all think for ourselves and it is obvious that you can buy an album digitally just as you can buy a single track. In fact, right now I am playing an album (5 albums, to be more exact) and it is in MP3 format. BTW, I am quite happy that I don't have to change CDs...

    4. You can't piss people off with that. We will just pity your stupidity. You can eat your placebos as much as you want, of course, but everyone else knows that there is no way to tell iPod playing MP3s from your super-dooper $3k device playing 48bit DVD-audio or whatever else, as long as the testing is done blind.

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  12. They sure have a difficult time understanding by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They sure have a difficult time understanding that the old 20th century way of buying music is pretty much over.

    The old way being you pay them 30-50% of the hourly minimum wage for a three to five minute recording on a stable physical medium.

    They keep squeezing their heads to come up with new ways to keep this old form of business going, but it's fading every day.

    The new music transaction format is much different. There is a completely different amount of music that the consumer gets for the same amount of money.

    Now you buy an old hard disk that has 10 to 100 Gigabytes of MP3 or OGG compressed format audio of hundreds of albums in a certain genre or era of music. Some of it you keep, some of it you discard, some of it you will never listen to, some of it you pass on to others, some of it you alter, sample, or mix, and some of it you never know who the artist is.

    Of course, you don't buy or trade these old hard disks full of unknown music from the music industry companies. It's not their business model. They couldn't even conceive of selling music in this way. They are doing everything that they can think of to actually put people in prison for selling or tranactioning music in this format.

    But it doesn't matter. There has been a fundamental change in the nature of the distribution and storage format for audio in the past ten years. The music industry, which is a contradiction of terms in this new era, will have to come to terms with it.

    Our terms.

    One last thing, guys, don't put anyone in prison for listening to music. It will have long term nasty consequences, even including bloodshed when the penality for copying and listening to illegal music begins to approach the penality for kidnapping and killing music industry executives. And it won't stop or change the transformation that is happening in the entertainment industry. the new technology is a marketing challenge, not a criminal act that requires inprisonment.
    We'd like to think that you won't let all this tough talk and macho posturing about putting people in jail and conficating their life savings for listening to music get out of control. But, frankly, we're losing our confidence in your ability to think rationally.

    After all, it's only rock'n'roll.