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NTT's Cool - Human Area Networking Technology

kvsnut writes "I4U is reporting about NTT's research project called RedTacton - It 'safely turns the surface of the human body into a data transmission path at speeds up to 10 Mbps between any two points on the body.' There is a pretty interesting site (uses flash) setup to showcase the technology. If you want to jump to a non-flash overview, try here. It be cool if I could sync my Treo (I'm saving for) by just touching a cradle (or heck the PC)."

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  1. This sounds awesome... by rekenner · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn. I've always wanted to copy and paste between computers. This could be a dream come true for people that have to work on a large number of computers for a short amount of time...

    1. Re:This sounds awesome... by mboverload · · Score: 5, Funny

      "But baby I was only grabbing your ass to see if you had some D12 MP3s!"

  2. Hands Across America by Kip+Winger · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see immediate applications for this technology -- we need to bring back Hands Across America to create the information superhighway of the 21st century!

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    1. Re:Hands Across America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The RIAA would probably try to bust everyone for illegal P2P (person to person) file sharing.

  3. Use Bluetooth by SiMac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point beyond the coolness factor? Palm devices can already sync via 802.11b or Bluetooth. Wireless technologies can already go faster than 10 mbps, and are cheap and well-tested. If we can transmit data through the air, why do we need to transmit it through our bodies?

    1. Re:Use Bluetooth by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, here's one thing: Security.

      One thing we lost when we went from wired to unwired is security.

      That is: A physical cable is a physical incarnation of authorization. Without that cable, we now have to put password mechanisms and other authorization stuff into previously simple connection.

      This body network is another, easier, mechanism for authorization. If the two components are connected by your body, they are authorized to talk with one another.

      Now we just have to worry about people running past to touch you, in order to steal the photographs off your camera, or whatever.

  4. Yes... it's perfectly safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Incidentally NTT requests that the press refer to the technology's dermatological side effects as "a healthy tan!" rather than "cooking"

  5. Get ready to say ... by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 5, Funny

    "No honey, you're not fat, you just have lots of bandwidth!"

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    1. Re:Get ready to say ... by Drantin · · Score: 4, Funny

      She's just her own WAN...

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    2. Re:Get ready to say ... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, imagine; broadband using REAL BROADS!

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  6. Let's see... by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do you call a Human Area Network that's by itself? HAN SOLO!

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  7. We're not having sex... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... we're putting together a local area network!

    1. Re:We're not having sex... by emag · · Score: 3, Funny

      This isn't an orgy, we're the infrastructure for a beowulf cluster...

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  8. So not new tech by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Insightful
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  9. Warning: by spankey51 · · Score: 5, Funny

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    -Conditions of high humidity should be avoided as electrical arcing may occur between peripheral devices on user.
    -People with braces or a pacemaker should refrain from use of this product.

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  10. Re:More trouble than it's worth? by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Uhhh hard. Every single time I have to plug a USB thumb drive into a PC it takes at least 5 minutes. Usually because I have to pull something else out to find a slot. You might be wondering what this technology would have over bluetooth. Well have you ever used bluetooth? You inevitably have to fiddle with it for minutes to find the menu option that lists the devices that you have already registered with and then fiddle more to map the name that is on the menu with the device that you can see, point at, and touch in the real would (but has no clear identifier on it that matches it with the menu option). All this technology is the reason why people don't like technology. The user interfaces are really unintuitive. Ultimately, loading a file from my portable data storage device onto a computer should be as simple as sitting down at the computer, selecting File -> Open and clicking the little icon of a happy user called "QuantumG's files". If someone else has the file it should be as easy as asking them to touch the computer and selecting "John's files". Transfering a file from my device to Johns should be as simple as the both of us touching a computer and dragging the files from my device to his.

    And should someone at an lcd factory ever get off their ass and make a transparent lcd that fits into a contact lens or better yet, the membrane of your eye you'll be able to use your personal network to communicate with your mobile computer, storage and interface.

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  11. Re:More trouble than it's worth? by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I have a phone with a contact you want on it, I'll just let you hold my phone while you hold yours and then you give it right back. It'd take less then a second for us to sync contacts without plugging in a single thing. This could be done while walking down the street, and another aspect of it is that its more secure then using blue tooth or other wireless transmission that tends to not be encrypted. The potential for this is pretty amazing. Another one I can think of off the top of my head is if you wear something like a watch or chain that sends a constantly shifting key through your body (similar to the rsa little devices), then simply by touching something you could verify you were the holder of a credit card or other miscellaneous forms of authorization. It'd be like a digital fingerprint. If your groceries are tagged with rfid, have a scanner find the cost of everything in your cart, then you simply touch a little piece of metal or something to pay for it. The whole process could take less then a second. Another possible use is to place sensors on steering wheels... This could reshape how we interact with the world. Now if only they can find a way for the body to retain that information for short (or long) periods of time. We'd be walking harddrives, so much for a 40 gb ipod...just touch the headphones to your skin somewhere.
    Regards,
    Steve

  12. Mobile Phone data transfer by davejenkins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real drive behind this is the usage for mobile phones. Here in Japan, mobile phones have become the dominant data handling device. Phones here have the full rolodex, appointment calendar, mp3 player, as well as Final Fantasy/Tetris/CowboyNeal game-of-choice. There are adapters coming online now that will let people browse MSWord and Excel files via their mobile.

    But the drive here is a great social need: when groups go out to dinner, friends, co-workers, business partners, etc. there is always this 10-minute ritual where everyone has to call everyone else in the group, in order to capture their phone number and contact information. If NTT can issue phones where everyone trades this information by touching hands, then they have an edge over the others.

    Japanese protect their privacy vehemently, but are also information hoarders much greater than their US or EU equivalents. Phone rolodexes are huge-- people have every contact they met in the last 4 years (which is in the thousands if you work in Tokyo).

  13. The early adopters of every new tech.... by valdis · · Score: 4, Funny

    pr0n. After 10,000 years of leading technological innovation, they finally have a way to deliver it directly where it matters....

  14. Handshaking by xee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Could our PDAs swap business cards via a handshake? What will come next? VIRUSES?

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  15. MS already patented this, right? by MaskedKumquat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to wonder if these patents will have a chilling effect on their ability to compete in the marketplace.

  16. Good thing by aprosumer.slashdot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this would be a good thing, since this technique would make it feasible to interface your 'preferences' (stored on a wearable computer) to various electronic or smart gadgets (a smart car/house/etc) so that as soon as you touch it, then the smart gadget is customized to you.

    I suppose a simple application, would be if all cars supported this, then as soon as you touched the door latch then: 1) The car door would open, since the car verified who you were. 2) The seat would adjust to your body height 3) The radio would automatically tune itself to your preferences 4) Your playlists would be imported into the radio.

    Your preferences can be stored in something relatively small. For example your watch can have this technology and it transmit your preferences to whatever smart gadget you touched.

    What would really be neat, is if there were some method of biofeedback so that you could configure your preferences by 'thinking about it'. At that point, we would have something similar to the "Ancient's 'Automated' Technology" as shown on StarGate: Atlantis tv show.

  17. "safely"... by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once, smoking cigarettes was considered 'safe'. Putting radio waves thru the human body is never a great idea.

    1. Re:"safely"... by RabidChicken · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hate to break it to you, but you have thousands of "radio waves" (actually consisting of many different frequencies, there's nothing magic about radio) going through your body like it or not. If you can prove there's something wrong, then by all means, tell us, with a link, to a peer-reviewed source.

  18. Nice, but diseased by tomsuchy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This would probably be great for one's own devices (cell, palm) but using it for auths exposes the toucher to a variety of diseases, especially from public interfaces. People would probably be loathe to use this to pay for something, if they have to touch a contact point that's been touched by everyone before them.

    Also, there's the possibility that someone could pick up your auth sig from a handrail or doorknob or something... unless you have to enable the auth for something like the next transaction, or the next x seconds, or key in some kind of id that indicates which touch is authorized. That adds a level of complexity that defeats the whole point of the touch interface.

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  19. Re:More trouble than it's worth? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many people take 5 minutes to swap out one usb cable for another? I mean, what's the breakdown here?

    1 Minute - Do I really need to unplug my USB flashlight to download my digital camera pix?
    1 Minute - Where the **** is my digital camera?
    1 Minute - Where the **** is my laptop?
    .25 Minutes - Where the **** am I?
    .75 Minutes - Oh yeah right, Earth.
    .25 Minutes - Pull out USB cable.
    .25 Minutes - Plug in digital camera into USB port.
    .25 Minutes - Continue plugging and unplugging because the icon didn't appear right away.
    .25 Minutes - Phone ringing, give up, buddy needs assistance setting up his new WinXP box. Lucky he has an expert like me around.

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  20. Better than Biological Authentication. by stephenisu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest market I see for this (other than the obvious marketing/spy novel stuff) is user authentication. People like myself fear bioauthentication because, well if someone steals your identity, you are pretty much boned.

    With this system, you can have a separate heavily encrypted key for each device you touch, and it can be changed if the need arises.
    Death to all passwords!

    You could know who entered each and every keystroke!

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  21. Take my HAND baby! by Money+for+Nothin' · · Score: 4, Funny

    So how long until I can purchase a Human Area Networking Device?

    Bring on the sex jokes now...

  22. Microsoft Patent? by Tellalian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Didn't Microsoft already patent something similar?

    Microsoft Patents The Human Body As A Network Bus

  23. Tech Support by Rie+Beam · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can already hear the Tech Support calls...

    Support: "Hello?"
    Customer: "I'm having some trouble with my HAN. It's constantly dropping packets!"
    Support: "Well, what are you downloading?"
    Customer: "Would you believe me if I said 15GB of Lesbian videos?"
    Support: "Please hold."

  24. Re:More trouble than it's worth? by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might be wondering what this technology would have over bluetooth. Well have you ever used bluetooth? You inevitably have to fiddle with it for minutes to find the menu option that lists the devices that you have already registered with and then fiddle more to map the name that is on the menu with the device

    Sounds like you are just complaining about some flaws in the implementation of bluetooth rather than actually suggesting an advantage of the HAN approach. How does HAN really solve these problems? You still have to deal with the problem of disambiguation. You still have to have some kind of authorization mechanism so that every device you touch doesn't have instant access to every other device you touch. (Can you imagine a computer virus that literally spreads by touch?)

    There are ways that the UI for bluetooth can be improved - to an extent. Security is always inconvenient. That's how Microsoft can stay ahead. Just ignore security and make your UIs better.

    -a

  25. Is this where I brag... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    about my fat pipe?

  26. Not new by lma · · Score: 3, Informative
    Using human skin as the medium to conduct signals for communications is a concept that has been around for years. See for example this computer.org article (PDF).

    Someone else mentioned the Microsoft patent.

    The interesting thing about Microsft's patent is that it includes power, not just data.

    Larry

  27. Uses what? by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was I the only one who misread that as:

    There is a pretty interesting site (uses flesh)

  28. Re:Well... by Entropius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not for its given bandwidth at its given range, however.

    Contact across the skin implies a range of ~1 meter; at that range the required emitted power for a clear wifi signal is on the order of microwatts.

  29. kick-ass application by chazmims · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm just waiting till I can buy my new HAN watch with all my environmental preferences and ssh key hash. I'm imagining sitting at any computer and as soon as my hands touch the keyboard, it configures it the way I like it. Heck, at 10mbps, given sufficiently small storage, My hands could touch the keyboard and it could connect to the PC on my wrist for all the data and programs I take with me all the time. PC terminals will replace desktop PCs and even laptops. The PC becomes truely personal, something you don't even notice you're wearing until you need it. Daddy likes.

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  30. Here's some links by SirSnapperHead · · Score: 3, Informative
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