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Nintendo Warns MMO Company Over Trademark Issues

Gamasutra.com (news now registration free) has word that MMOG developer Webzen has received a friendly letter from Nintendo discussing the similarities screenshots of their upcoming game have with The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. The developer states that this is a coincidence resulting from the cell shades style of their game, and the particular hair and clothes show in published media. From the article: "a spokesperson from developer Webzen claims that the hero of the game does not have any fixed image, and is created by the player to be their avatar in the game world." Heads up courtesy your friendly neighborhood simoniker.

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  1. Cut/paste by wynterwynd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on guys, at least TRY to differentiate your product some. The screenshot I saw look almost identical to Wind Waker, aside from the lack of a jaunty green outfit. Methinks Big N has a point on this one.

    --
    "Not all who wander are lost" -- JRR Tolkien
  2. I think... by DrZombie · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that the little puff of "wind" in the lower right hand corner doesn't help their case either.

  3. Make Him Spunky by blueZhift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Geez! The guy in the picture looks just like Link! Why don't they just make the default hero a spunky little Black kid, then Nintendo won't have anything to complain about. Seriously though, given the stink Marvel is raising over the ability of players in City of Heroes to clone (to some extent) Marvel characters in appearance, Webzen might consider getting this settled quickly.

    1. Re:Make Him Spunky by blueZhift · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Congrats - you made a really dumb post.

      And welcome to the Missing the Point Club! As a black person myself, I think I know a bit about standing up for what you believe in. I do that everyday. As for Webzen, the character does look too much like Link. Ever seen the Sho Yu Weenie episode of Harvey Birdman?

  4. Wow! by LordJezo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I clicked on the link expecting to see a picture of a game that might have maybe looked like Zelda:WW if I squinted and the light was right. I thought it would be another case of a big company going crazy over its characters and art style, trying to shut down anything that looked like their own stuff, no matter how far from the truth it really was.

    But then I loaded the page and saw the screenshot.

    The Big N has a point.

    That shot could easly pass as something directly out of WW.

    1. Re:Wow! by merdark · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I looked at screens from both games. So what, Nintendo has patented cell shaded characters with white skin and yellow hair?

      I don't think the Big N has any point here. Really. Hair is different, cloaths are different, no green zelda outfit. Have you ever seen Link in anything but green?

      Sorry, last I checked nintendo did not have a trademark on all cell shaded wasp characters.

    2. Re:Wow! by SetupWeasel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you ever seen Link in anything but green?

      In the Wind Waker, link is in a light blue outfit without a hat the entire game when you play it a second time on hard mode.

      so... Yes

    3. Re:Wow! by zonker · · Score: 5, Informative

      you looked at screenshots from both games, but have you actually played windwaker? there are so many visual similarities aside from the character (who is very very similar to link) that i can see exactly why they'd get pissed. everything from the little swoosh on the right of 'wiki' to the subtle facial detailing to the general colors of each scene.

      here's another screenshot: http://games.tom.com/images/2005/wlgame/0218/002/0 10.jpg and here's a good compare image for those who've not played the game: http://www.gameking.com.cn/gk/news/05/2/17/1432184 487_1.jpg

  5. Um. by LordPhantom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK, true the pic looks similar to Zelda games, but to be fair, how many 8 bit rpg games followed in the style/art of the original gold cartridge LOZ game?
    I'm not saying that this is or isn't a copyright infringement, but one small screenshot is hardly representitave of their work on the game as a whole, nor is the game complete.... I'm guessing that Nintendo's letter will simply protect their right to complain in the future while making the Wiki development team think about a some changes in the artwork. The style and technology lend a bit to the art effect, but short of seeing a "Jaunty Green Outfit(TM)" or a "Breeze Baton(not tm)", I'm betting that the company is smart enough to change the art such that there's no infringement by the time the final product comes out.

  6. I hope this gets stamped out by Fr05t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A note to the many who didn't RTFA - it's a MMO so the character is going to look however the player makes it look.

    It is inevitable with MMOs increasing the ways players can customize their characters people are going to make them look like a super hero, or another video game character.

    I know this is a terrible analogy but Ford and GM don't get sued for what their customers do after purchasing a car. On the service side of things my phone company doesn't get sued if I use the phone to conduct illegal activities. Why is the creator of the game responsible for the actions of their customers?

    1. Re:I hope this gets stamped out by SetupWeasel · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read the fucking article, you would see that the game will be undergoing closed testing in December. The product was just announced.

      This is not the case of a character that some random user created that happens to look like Link. This is the developer making promotional material to hype its game that is 10 months from beta testing that happens to look just like Link.

    2. Re:I hope this gets stamped out by UWC · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The problem here seems to be that even the press images created by the developer/publisher/whatever feature a character that looks just like a slightly elongated version of the Wind Waker protagonist wearing an outfit strikingly similar to one worn by another character in Wind Waker (pirate girl) and using an art style apparently almost identical to that used in Wind Waker. The body proportions (elongated torso, shortened legs that taper to small feet, large round head with wide-set round large-pupiled eyes and thick black eyebrows above an understated nose and thin-bordered mouth) are strikingly similar to the previously unique style used in Wind Waker. To be honest, I had to look twice to realize that the picture was from the non-Nintendo game Wiki, whose logo even features Wind-Waker-esque dust-whorls.

      I understand your point of the vendor not being liable for infringing after-market modifications and uses, but in this case, these shots are coming from those making and selling the game. To use your car analogy, it's like GM advertising their Corvette as easily modified to look like a Mustang and featuring such a modification in their press material.

  7. Re:Wiki by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "But here's the real question: Can any user edit the game?"

    Doesn't matter. They can't advertise the game looking like WW. For the purposes of marketing/advertising, they cannot infringe.

    --
    "Derp de derp."
  8. Re:Very similar, I'd say. by MagicDude · · Score: 2, Funny
  9. It's All Over by jmole · · Score: 5, Funny

    All hell will break loose if Tingle appears in this game.

    Nintendo: "You may have stolen our main character Link, but stealing our homosexual Frenchman who flys around on a balloon has gone too far! He is our Jar Jar Binks of the Zelda series, not yours!"

  10. Conflicting points of view? by Moryath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    --On the one hand, as the designers point out, that is merely an early screenshot. The real avatar may look like that, or may look entirely different.

    --We also have to consider that if you make a cel-shaded farmland scene, it will probably look like a cel-shaded farmland scene in another game. Just like how a red-haired chibi-anime girl looks a hell of a lot like every other red-haired chibi-anime girl.

    --The *NAME* of the game is Wiki. No, the puff of air will not stay right there the entire game. It's a promo shot, so they stuffed the game's title into the scene... and since they wouldn't want to override any of the aesthetics, the bottom-right corner was the best spot for it. Coincidence of design, not an attempt at deception.

    --That being said, Webzen could very well have done their avatar with some other design options, and shifted the scene camera around to put their logo into another spot.

    Yeah, it's a screenshot that looks similar. Deal with it. I think this is an instance of an overzealous lawyer (What, an overzealous lawyer from Nintendo? That'd be like Apple suing their fans for discussing gossip... wait... right.)

    Yeah. It's kind of like that.

    1. Re:Conflicting points of view? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "--On the one hand, as the designers point out, that is merely an early screenshot. The real avatar may look like that, or may look entirely different."

      On the other hand, maybe they should release screenshots that don't look like they belong to Wind Waker. Then they wouldn't be infringing on trademarks or confusing people into thinking it's Wind Waker instead of Wiki.

      "Yeah, it's a screenshot that looks similar. Deal with it."

      They are. They sent a letter instead of a lawsuit.

      " I think this is an instance of an overzealous lawyer"

      I think this is an isntance of an overzealous attempt to assume lawyers only represent evil intentions.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:Conflicting points of view? by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be fair to the lawyers, trademarks must be defended. If someone doesn't defend their trademark, they risk losing it.

  11. Higher Res Screen Shots by mowph · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I originally saw those shots last week, it occurred to me that the design looked vaguely familiar. I didn't initially even connect it to Zelda, but taking another look, I think there could be serious trouble, especially if this one design is to be used as a "spokescharacter" for the game. Check out the direct comparison. (In Korean.) Looks like the offending shots were right out of the press release. Here's another article (in Korean) with side-by-side comparisons of the images... including the little puff of wind in the title.

    And, if you'd like to take a look at some of the other upcoming releases promoted during Webzen 's Feb. 15 conference, all of which seem to be MMORPGs of different themes, look at this Japanese article. (Writer Kim Dong Wook regularly covers new games from Korea.)

  12. Re:Friendly Copyright Infringement by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Trademark!

    Trademark! Trademark! Trademark!

    If people didn't talk in generics like "IP" all the time, maybe people would figure out the difference.

    It's not the same thing as copyright, and the law *requires* that Nintendo do stuff like this to keep their trademark. Trademark law can include things like trade dress, which is what protects things like the shape of a Coke bottle, or the exterior look of McDonald's resturants.

  13. Three points by MilenCent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. The eyes on the character are the giveaway. Nintendo's artists created a unique look for the characters in Wind Waker, but the focus of it all is the eyes on the three main characters, Link, Aryll and Tetra, which are like white footballs, topped with eyebrows, with a large black circle in the middle. The eyes are what, in my mind, defines the look of these characters, and this screenshot apes them pretty much exactly. But it is not the only thing it copies, which is telling in my mind.

    2. The letter, I don't think it was a cease-and-desist, just a warning. Nintendo's lawyers aren't actually *that* overzealous concerning matters not related to people making illegal copies of their games. It'd be nice if they were more enlightened in regard to some of their older, forgotten properties, but large corporations are not particularly known for their Buddha natures.

    3. Dudes, the game's called Wiki! Has anyone asked Ward Cunningham about this?

  14. Nintendo afraid of MMORPGs by Sim9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At least from my perspective, Nintendo has always been afraid of Zelda MMORPGs. While it can be understandable to send cease and desist letters at fan games, Nintendo generally lets singleplayer ones slide, while being aggressive against multiplayer ones.

    Nintendo fought against Graal, who was at the time making a very Zelda-esque MMORPG (clearly derivative). And yet, Zelda classic (Single player, and also clearly derivative) is alive and thriving...

  15. Pika? by ABaumann · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should also sue them because of that little (dog?) thing running around that has the same color pallette as Pikachu.

    I mean, Nintendo clearly owns #FFFF00.