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Fan Group Creates Full-Length Discworld Movie

greenrd writes "'Almost No Budget Films,' a group of Terry Pratchett fans from Germany, recently finished a 9-month filming stint on a full-length dramatisation of pterry's novel 'Lords and Ladies.' A grand total of 300 euros were spent on this production, and all profits from this fan movie will go to the Orangutan Foundation. Check out the new English trailer for some grin-inducing special effects!"

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  1. Bandwidth Cost by Monx · · Score: 5, Funny

    And another 300 euros will be spent thanks to the direct video link on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Bandwidth Cost by Wirr · · Score: 4, Informative
      And another 300 euros will be spent thanks to the direct video link on Slashdot.

      Unlikely, those links point to a university.
      If you see a link with uni-*.de it's always a university.

    2. Re:Bandwidth Cost by -brazil- · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, it's hosted on a university webserver, which means it's taxpayers' money...

      I've always considered "Lords and Ladies" to be the best of the discworld novels. If only Hollywood would get its act together and do a movie that does Pratchett's genious justice. I do have the British animated features, but to be honest, those look like only negligibly more than 300 EUR were spent...

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    3. Re:Bandwidth Cost by mboverload · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, that bandwidth and server are alreayd paid for. A slashdoting does not cause one to spend anymore money, unless you are paying by the megabyte, which I doubt a university would do.

    4. Re:Bandwidth Cost by Randy+Wang · · Score: 2, Informative

      Close enough: http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/392f69cfe950a8dd0 3dba199d9383e91/index.html

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    5. Re:Bandwidth Cost by BjornVDM · · Score: 4, Informative
      You wrote:
      Furthermore (with reference to a previous post) a large part of uni fees in europe (Germnay too) are paid by foreign (mostly oriental) students.


      Clearly you have no knowledge of the german university system. Foreign students pay the exact same fees as german students - up until now only "administrative" fees of only a few hundred euros per semester (real tuition is only being phased in at the moment). Germany has thus for many years been probably the most affordable first world country for foreigners to study in. (Though their numbers have been kept comparably low as a result of german language requirements).
      I thus really resent your uninformed statement - especially after a recent experience of a friend being in a masters program in England with 80% chinese that paid high tuition, and even though they very much depressed the level of academic discourse of course all got their degrees. Talk about "mostly oriental" cash cows.

      Greetings, B.

      References: German academic exchange service: Lack of Tuition Fees in Germany a Big Draw for Foreign Students (04/04/2002)
    6. Re:Bandwidth Cost by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Terry Pratchett writes a book that's a better movie than Hollywood can make using an actual movie. It's amazing how he does it. It's a combination of pacing, dialog, humor and grand vision. I don't know what's more amazing, the fact that he can do it so well or the fact that he's maintained this style and skill through almost 20 years and 30 books.

      Sure, some Discworld books are better than others (and "Lords and Ladies" is in my top 3 for sure), but they are all good.

      I was re-re-rereading "Men at Arms" last night and enjoying (once again) translating Gargoyle speech. That and the French and Latin puns, brilliant and sharp satire, plus tons of believeable and funny and likeable characters, and a world as richly detailed as Tolkien's, combine to make the best fiction reading ever.

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    7. Re:Bandwidth Cost by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And then of course there's Sweden, where everyone can go to university for free...including foreigners! Sure, they pay a lot of tax, but the end result is that they have a lot less crime, a very high percentage of literacy and education and free healthcare...resulting in the fact that the money they have left is nearly all discretionary (after food and rent).

      I really respect a system like that.

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    8. Re:Bandwidth Cost by tage · · Score: 2, Informative

      I really respect a system like that.

      Don't. I live in Sweden. I'm a Swede. Too much of my tax money is lost, paying for the enormous and inefficient administration of the system.

      I am a contractor and I have to expect 75% of the money I invoice to go to taxes and fees. No matter how much use I make of the free healthcare and education I can't get my money's worth. I don't mind contributing some to other people's healthcare and education through taxes, but not to this extent.

    9. Re:Bandwidth Cost by isecore · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.

      Unfortunately that's not the reality. I live in Sweden and I pay HUMONGOUS taxes, yet every time I visit the doctor I have to pay a fee to visit him.

      In fact, ALL the things that are supposedly free (following the socialistic-system that you describe) still come with very vagely described fees that I have no choice but to pay.

      To summarize: This sucks.

      As far as the crimerate goes - I felt safer when I was in Los Angeles than when I was in Stockholm. Swedish police is insanely underfunded and overworked. For example, in my home-municipality there's only 5 (five) police-officers covering the second largest (area) county in entire Sweden. They have a hard time keeping up with all the drunkdrivers and domestic violence.

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  2. Until by Kjella · · Score: 3, Funny

    A grand total of 300 euros were spent on this production

    Until they were hit with multiple times that in bandwidth costs after a slashdotting. Mohahahaha >:->

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  3. Well by Anv*l · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nice CG graphics :) Actually it's amazing how people can do something like this; and let the profit go to charity...

  4. No by Omkar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keep them away from money. This is a labor of love; do you want an exec fucking it up?

    1. Re:No by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sometimes, a good executive-type person can be a Good Thing (think Brian Epstein and the Beatles

      Probably a good manager overall, but didn't exactly ensure they were getting the money from Beatles merchandise.

      Col. Tom Parker and Elvis

      I'd subscribe to the theory that he did a good job in the beginning, bringing Elvis to stardom, but ultimately he destroyed Elvis as a credible artist. Apparently, lots of (very fashionable) people wanted to work with Elvis in the 60s/70s, but he put the lid on that; and he was the one that pushed Elvis to do a gruelling number of shows in Las Vegas (as apparently Parker had lots of gambling debts that needed financing), which probably contributed to Elvis's early death. Elvis hardly went on tour outside the US, it's speculated because Parker was an illegal immigrant, and thus couldn't travel and exert control on Elvis when he was out of the country.

      The much-praised '68(?) Comeback Special was (IIRC) done *against* Parker's wishes.

      hell, Bill Gates and MS-DOS)

      Why is MS-DOS A Good Thing? It was an unwieldy rip-off of CP/M.

      Would this stifle their creativity? Maybe ... but think of what else they could do if they had the money/resources.

      See Col. Tom Parker, above, and consider how quickly Elvis was pushed from credible rock n' roll artist into commercially-friendly MOR singer then into Vegas cabaret artist.

      I mean, seriously, it's ******* weird when you think about it.

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  5. Slashdotting a full-length movie?! by SamSim · · Score: 4, Funny

    I could hear their server exploding from England!

    1. Re:Slashdotting a full-length movie?! by el-spectre · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shoulda hosted it on Hex...

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  6. ook by flumps · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oook ook OOOk ook ook ook OOk ook ook ook ook.

    [trans. I for one welcome our oragutan overlords]

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    1. Re:ook by Scrab · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought they were monkeys

      Oh wait....

      *starts running*

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    2. Re:ook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some people just dont get in-jokes. If you don't like Pratchett why read the article in the first place?

      Funniest flame i ever read tho, that said..

    3. Re:ook by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
      Oook ook OOOk ook ook ook OOk ook ook ook ook.

      I went to the theater to see the click, but there was this big guy with long read hair and long arms taking up the whole front row. He had a huge sack of banged grains, too, and kept throwing them at the screen.

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  7. Lords and Ladies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Isn't that the TV show on Max Payne 2? That was a funny show.

    my lord... my laaady...

  8. Under-blues. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Check out the new English trailer for some grin-inducing special effects!""

    Wearing too tight underwear can produce the same effect.

  9. Bittorent copy by Faram001 · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://trackerwww.prq.to/download.php/3294903/lnlu ksm.avi.torrent

    Site is nuked so get it from here.

    1. Re:Bittorent copy by tcdk · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's horribly low quality, with some really bad mpeg artefact's. I tidied up a frame, with a wizard talking on his cellphone ... where you go:

      _M_
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  10. Link slashdotted by shyampandit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, looks like their university hosting wasnt up to a good /.'ng :D

    Google cache of the webpage at - http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:QuFjhiYyVvQJ: www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~jknoblo2/LnL/Downloa ds/downloads.html+&hl=en

  11. OKAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then never mind moneys, give them some sandwiches

  12. dv editing and Gutenburgs press by Fox_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With so much power on the desktop it's becoming easier and easier to produce polished video products at home. There's even software to correct for shaky camera work, it's possible to redesign shots in the editing programs and digital effects are becoming very easy to setup now. (remember Lightsabre boy)
    I love the idea of more and more content being produced by hobbyists, enthusists and other non-studio persons. We are at that point where knowledge passes from a few to many - much like the printing press took the books away from the scholars and gave them to the people. Screw the RIAA & DMCA, we are gonna start producing our own copyrighted materials and they'll lose out.

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    1. Re:dv editing and Gutenburgs press by zalas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Overall, I think it looked pretty nicely done. The way the scenes are stitched together was really nice. Some effects looked really nice (the glowing eyes), but some looked really distracting (the starburst type effect, not sure what to call it). I liked the use of the miniature sized people. However, it seemed like sometimes the people look too "normal" in a sense, while at other times, they really fit in with the scene. Perhaps some better lighting/atmosphere could make up for it?

  13. Great stuff... here's where to find more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wonderfully entertaining, kitschy trailer.

    For more stuff quite like this, check out Channel 101 and its New York sister site, Channel 102.

    For an example of how brilliant zero-budget filmmaking can be, check out their winner for this month's contest: House of Cosbys.

    If you don't laugh at this, you're probably Bill Cosby. And even then.... well, just click.

  14. Rankin by leenoble_uk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Screw Pratchett. We need a Robert Rankin movie. I vote for The Book of Ultimate Truths.

  15. The turtle moves! by tchernobog · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cool!

    But I just hope in Terry Gilliam to find the budget to start Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman's "Good Omens"!

    Wouldn't that be great?

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  16. Adding the "books that should be movies" subthread by arpoodle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since so many others have commented along similar lines, here's my tuppenceworth.

    Neal Stephenson's SnowCrash would be an Awesome film.

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  17. bittorrent for god's sake! by lkcl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    somebody bittorrent it - next time _before_ announcing it on slashdot, please.

  18. Re:Adding the "books that should be movies" subthr by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Neal Stephenson's SnowCrash would be an Awesome film.

    If done right (from your perspective) yes.

    The problem with movies is that they leave very little to the imagination. Filter a good written story through a film and all you are left with is the movie

    Films which I wish I had never seen include Millennium (from a fantastic short story by John Varley) and (Gibson)

  19. Would it have been so hard... by Sanity · · Score: 2, Informative
  20. Gotta Catch 'Em All! by boingyzain · · Score: 2, Funny

    on a full-length dramatisation of pterry's novel

    Pterry? Sounds like a Pokemon.

    Back on topic... I sure wish real movie studios would pick up some of these Discworld novels to make a great expensive movie out of. I can see them as the next Star Wars or such, if they do it right.

    Or, even better, a faithful recreation of Dune!

    1. Re:Gotta Catch 'Em All! by makomk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pterry? Sounds like a Pokemon.
      It's an alt.fan.pratchett in-joke

    2. Re:Gotta Catch 'Em All! by DJCF · · Score: 2, Funny

      a faithful recreation of Dune!

      Check out the *very* original - the David Lynch, with a young Patrick Stewart and horrendous CG. It's almost as old as the Ten Commandments (the film, not stones)!

      But it's good...

  21. The footage isn't usually the problem... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the really major stumbling blocks I see:

    1. Scenery/Models. Unless it is set in contemporary earth, this is one of the really hard ones. By models I mean models of castles, spaceships etc., which tend to look like they were made of Lego.

    2. Getting enough angles. Particularly an issue in action movies, where my impression is the shot lacks angles (i.e. it was filmed once from one angle, instead of a commercial movie often mixing and matching between overview shots, action "highlights", close-ups of key people, pans etc.

    All of that is used to form a good scene. It takes time, requires a good editor and provides very little screen time, but it really sets them apart. In particular, notice that you never see a "pan-up" scene done with rails/crane in an amateur movie. Same with aerial shots.

    3. Acting of B-class characters. The leads usually have some acting skill. But the fringe characters (i.e. not the extras) suck donkey balls.

    4. Cheesy CG/special effects. Yes, I know many of the effects are easy to make today. But more often than not, the program doesn't support (or it is too damn hard to figure out how) the effect you really want, but you settle for what you can. They tend to look plastered on top like a sticker from a Donald Duck magazine on top of your photo.

    5. Audio effects. The music is usually decent, but the timing might be off. But more often than not, the audio effects sound "unmatched" or simply fake. No, changing the pitch and streching/compressing it still makes it sound like a horse/pig/dog/bird/animal of the day, and that was just you screaming.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:The footage isn't usually the problem... by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure whether you are directly addressing the GP post on general filmmaking on a low budget (with the advent of digital video, editing on computer, etc.) or particularly the Discworld project. I'll assume you're discussing general filmmaking (with a lean toward science fiction/fantasy).

      1. Scenery/Models. Unless it is set in contemporary earth, this is one of the really hard ones. By models I mean models of castles, spaceships etc., which tend to look like they were made of Lego.

      Depends on who you know. I know people entirely capable of constructing extremely impressive models (he has another job, but could easily do model work professionally). Then again, if you are a good enough writer you ought to be able to limit what you need to depict without it seeming forced.

      2. Getting enough angles.

      That is still pretty tough. Digital video cameras are getting cheaper and cheaper however, so in a few years this will be the result of laziness rather than inability.

      3. Acting of B-class characters.

      Again, very hard, but it also hangs heavily on what you're doing. The biggest problems involve the filmmakers not bothering to understand their constraints before they start, then working within them. People can act surprisingly well when they have to play (essentially) themselves and they have halfway competent direction. Of course, I am not a film director. Then again, I do know some.

      4. Cheesy CG/special effects.

      This one really does come down to a lack of proper forethought and design by the filmmakers. Write something you are capable of filming with the resources you have. This is not as constraining as you might think. Some great science fiction films have been shot with minimal special effects (see Pi, or The Sticky Fingers of Time). If the filmmakers don't know how to go about constructing a good film within their means, is it any surprise it sucks?

      5. Audio effects.

      Are just plain hard if you have anything much to do in the way of real foley work. This is one area that remains relatively inaccessible to everyday people as it just requires a lot of skill (and imagination). On the other hand, the trick is to stay away from things that are going to require such foley work.

      So in the end the main issue is having the core team of writer/director/producer actually having a decent idea of what can be done, and working within those constraints. You can make surprisingly good material providing you are creative within those restrictions, and have a few clues as to what you are doing.

      No, random people are not going to be making great films, but a small group of people with a real interest in film (the sort that actually read books on shot framing, directing etc.) can produce remarkably impressive material. I would suggest that there are enough people with such interests in the world that we will see more and more quality amateur productions showing up over the next 10 years.

      Jedidiah.

  22. Re:Adding the "books that should be movies" subthr by bhima · · Score: 3, Informative
    I am still traumatized by the SciFi Channel's adaptation of the Earthsea cycle to want a book to become a movie (or a mini-series).

    Gavin Scott, the Butcher of Earthsea, should not be allowed to read or write ever again.

    But you are right on the SnowCrash thing or A Diamond Age which I also enjoyed.

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  23. Trailer mirror by maswan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a mirror of the english trailer:

    http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/lnluksm.avi

  24. lords and ladies by DarkClown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i can't wait to see this after someone mirrors it or something. but i wish these kind folk had done one of the starter books, lords and ladies is definitely kind of into the series a little bit, although it pretty much doesn't matter with the discworld stuff.
    pratchett's about due for a new one seems like - going postal's been out a while now. been reading the bromeliad triology last few days, it's fun.
    what ever happened to gilliams good omens efforts?

    1. Re:lords and ladies by Denyer · · Score: 3, Informative
      it pretty much doesn't matter with the discworld stuff.

      Well, Lords and Ladies is the first book where the author thought it worth including a note in the front to the effect that it helps to have read them in some kind of order. (And gave a short summary of events so far.)

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  25. Usually... by GNUThomson · · Score: 5, Funny

    unless it is uni-form-hot-chicks.de or something. But that kind of sites have their educational goals, anyway.

  26. Watched the trailer! by Stalyn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ....eh shoulda used 16 mm film. But hey who cares if it looks like crap?

    A really good sci-fi movie shot for a very low budget ($7000) I recommend is Primer.

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  27. Another Pratchett Film by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I noticed on LSpace that there's also a short of "Troll Bridge" being filmed by a bunch of Aussies.

    They even got a quickie script rewrite from PTerry himself.

  28. Considered by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Do these people ever consider the idea that maybe... just maybe... books don't translate well into movies? It's not exactly a strange idea. Look at how badly music translates into movies, or how poorly a sculpture translates into a song. I say let books stay books. Just come up with new ideas for movies.

    Hmmm. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm going to start a project to convert Dali's "The Persistence of Memory" into a television series.

  29. It was a book? by coder.keitaro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It read like a Hollywood script!

    I am really surprised that this has not yet been picked up by some studio.

    I was not particularly impressed by the book, I thought the pacing was off, the characterization was amateurish, and it tried far too hard to be hacker-chic, but I really thought its style would appeal to Hollywood.

    It felt like a movie far more than the Neuromancer series by William Gibson
    I consider Gibson's literary works superior, but they are almost impossible to make into movies.
    [Too much internal dialog and not enough action]

    But, I suppose, after The Matrix any studio will have a difficult time doing an adaption of any Cyberpunk novel.

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  30. Re:I have a torrent... by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...up my ass.

    ROFL... this is the most incompetent troll I've seen for a long time; everyone knows that the goatse.cx account has been suspended for *months*! (BTW, looks like its replacement, goat.cx has met a similarly tragic fate)

    Good account name though...

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  31. Re:Almost No Budget for webserver too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Site loads fine here. Check your ethernet cable is plugged in. If you light it on fire you get fire wire and your page will load faster. Too bad your cable only lasts a certain ammount of time though.

  32. Re:This is it! by Chatsubo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw an interesting insert on TV a while back documenting the efforts of film-makers in Africa.

    What these guys do is write a "quick-hack" script, get some actors, a couple of (their own) cars, camera's, some lights, etc. And go make a movie.

    1. Shoot footage you need in about 3 days. 2. Edit 3. Make lots of VHS tapes. 4. Sell to street vendors. 5. Profit! Notice there's no ???, and that's because it's actually a booming business. Their clients don't want to see Americans blowing up aliens. They want to see people like them, in situations they can relate to.

    They also create jobs for a lot of people down the food chain: From Cameramen, actors, editors, right down to the guy that sells you the tape on the street.

    You don't need big budgets, millionnaire actors, and 4000 people to make an engaging film.

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  33. Re:flamebait, sure by Mac+Degger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main difference between Pratchet and Asprin is that Asprin is just funny; Pratchet on the other hand is deeply funny. By that I mean that to fully appreciate Pratchet you need to know certain things: like Latin, or heraldry or quantum physics, to get the full efect of some of his jokes and puns (actually most of his humor works that way; one good example is Unseen University...it's only after reading Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver did I realise Pratchet was riffing on the Invisible College, the precursor to the Royal Society).
    Plus there's some mayor commentary going on on modernday life on an anecdotal level. Asprin just does not have that; hell Aprin doesn't even have a simple theme (in the literary sense) going on in any of his MYTH books. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the MYTH series...it's just that it's like penny romance novels against Pratchet's more mature, 'real' literature.

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  34. Why only young people by Wirr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have just managed to download and watch the English trailer.

    Why are the old people, like the witches, played by young people ?
    In the books, the witches are old.

    Couldn't they have found some grannies ?

  35. Re:AVI wont play in Quick Time or Media Player... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or just, you know, download the correct codec (divx) like they advise at the top of the page...

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  36. Re:AVI wont play in Quick Time or Media Player... by Siener · · Score: 2, Informative

    It works fine in the VLC Media Player. VLC is a great program - it plays just about any video and you never have to download codecs

  37. Re:flamebait, sure by bwcbwc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Humor is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't debate which author is funnier. But I think you'll find that Pratchett has the best-integrated plot-lines of the three authors you mention.

    I wish I could figure out why you think Aspirin is more sophisticated. To me, his writing is the weakest of the three. Characters are almost as flat as Isaac Asimov's. Asprin's great contribution was his ability to skewer genre-fantasy conventions with a sci-fi or real world twist, but he rarely works the other way around, skewering the real world with a fantasy twist. For Pratchett, anything is fair game.

    The variety of characters that Pratchett has available, plus the fact that Ankh-Morpork allows him to introduce new characters with minimal fuss, allows him to take on stories that just don't fit into Asprin's universe. When did Asprin take on Hollywood (Moving Pictures), Rock 'n' Roll (Soul Music), Shakespeare (Wyrd Sisters), or Opera (Maskerade)? Or himself, for that matter?

    Both Asprin and Pratchett put their characters into stock, satirical situations, but since the M.Y.T.H. stories revolve around a smaller set of characters, sometimes the characters don't fit the satire or the story line so well. Pratchett essentially runs two ongoing sets of primary characters, with several other personalities that appear less frequently: The Ankh-Morpork gang (primarily the Watch and the Wizards, with various other sub-groups that grow or fade in importance over parts of the series) and the Witches up in Lancre with their supporting cast. The Uberwald group may grow into an ongoing cast as well, but they seem to be more like some of the other ongoing characters like Casanunda the dwarf or King Verence.

    Disclosure: I pretty much stopped re-reading Asprin in my late 20's, where I still reread many of Pratchett's works.

    Adams and Pratchett are very similar, but if you look at the copyrights on their earliest novels, I think you'll see that they both started up at about the same time. So "Douglas Adams wannabe" isn't fair. It's more like Newton and Liebniz both inventing calculus at the same time. Or Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton. Or McDonalds and Burger King.

    Another big advantage of Pratchett is he's still writing Discworld novels. Adams and Asprin have stopped their series (for various reasons). And Asprin can't seem to write without help. Every story he starts seems to evolve from or to some sort of shared world where other authors do most of the work. Thieve's World anyone? Actually, I found Thieve's World a more interesting series than the MYTH series over the long haul. MYTH should've stopped at a trilogy.

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  38. Language by Scutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't tell from the website. Is the film in English or German?

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  39. Re:flamebait, sure by circusboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that one of the most enjoyable moments I've had regarding a pratchet book, was after reading, I think it was "Reaper Man," where there was a description of the magic detector that consisted of an urn with several elephants around the rim. When magic was detected, a pebble would drop (well, shoot)out of the elephant which was pointing towards the source of the magic.(pib)

    a couple of years after reading this, I was leafing through a catalog of ancient pottery, ( I believe it was chinese,) and there was a photograph of an ancient siesmometer. an urn with a bunch of elephants around the rim with a pebble balanced on the trunk. if there was an earthquake, the elephants in line with the direction of the source of the earthquake would drop their pebbles.

    this was the point at which I really came to appreciate the depth of Pratchett's satire and observations. He doesn't just make them up, he references things which already are. I think that his insight into the mental condition is as great as his sense of historical trivia.

    While I enjoyed Asprin's books (I tend to prefer the phule series to the M.Y.T.H series), the characters and stories he uses seem to be much more earnestly childish (childish is not a bad thing) and far less applicable as examples of humanity. They are definitely funny, but not, as the parent here says, deep. It's kind of like the difference between wit and humor. One definition of which Pratchett gave in an interview, (I can't remember where,) and another you can find in the movie "Ridicule" (french movie, VERY funny)

    the other thing about Pratchett, is that his grammar isn't as condescending as Asprin (or for that matter, most children's book authors) "Hat full of Sky" and "Wee Free Men" , books that Pratchett deliberately aimed at the younger reader do NOT make any attempt to 'dumb down' the writing style because he is writing for children. he just chooses a topic that is of more direct interest to a child. i.e. the life of a pre-teen character.

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  40. Re:flamebait, sure by fiftyfly · · Score: 2, Informative

    Close - it was Numbers Richter's reality measuring device from Moving Pictures.

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  41. One minor nitpick by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Informative

    A number of characters in the story, such as Granny Wetherwax, Nanny Ogg and the various wizards are supposed to be fairly old. Alas, you can see that the actors and actresses are much too young. Proper makeup would have helped, for those of us familiar with the series. Even so, it doesn't spoil the film, it's just a little bit of "that's not right; they're too young" when you first see them. I'm sure I'll stop paying attention to it quickly when I see it.

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