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Significant Advance in Quantum Computing

wcitech writes "Apparently scientists have been able to create circuitry that mimics the behavior of atom pairs by using superconductors." From the article: "The work, reported in the Feb. 25 issue of the journal Science, demonstrates that it is possible to measure the quantum properties of two interconnected artificial atoms at virtually the same time. Until now, superconducting qubits--quantum counterparts of the 1s and 0s used in today's computers--have been measured one at a time to avoid unwanted effects on neighboring qubits." The second Quantum computing revelation this month, in fact.

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  1. Phew by qw0ntum · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before I go worrying about quantum computers, I need to get my own working. But in a quantum world, I guess they are working AND messed up at the same time.

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    1. Re:Phew by Pax00 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Before I go worrying about quantum computers, I need to get my own working. But in a quantum world, I guess they are working AND messed up at the same time.

      Broken and working at the same time.. how is that different than running windows?

  2. I'm not a quantum engineer by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This question may be stupid but...

    Would we need to read 32 quantum states at a time to get '32-bit' registers to build basic processors??

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    1. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think it works that way.

      "Two entangled qubits, meanwhile, can simultaneously evaluate four inputs. Put another way, a traditional memory register with eight bits can store only one of a possible 28, or 256, digital "words," but a quantum register with eight qubits can represent and compute with all 256 words at once."

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      If you could have 32 entangled qubits, you could simultaneously evaluate 2^32 inputs, which is more than 4 billion possibilities.

    2. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by kernel_dan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wikipedia has a good comparison of the differences between a traditional register and a quantum register (qubits).

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    3. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Informative

      A quantum computer will probably never have 'registers' in the conventional sense since deterministic I/O like in a standard register would alter the quantum state every time a photon hit the qubits. In fact, beyond solving certain specific types of problems don't expect a quantum computer to be running minesweeper anytime soon. IANAP but from what I've seen of current experiments, the results aren't even exact like you would expect from a regular CPU, rather, a whole crapload of qubit runs are executed at once, and the most probable realized state is considered to be the 'answer'. I'm not even sure if it is possible to 'reset' the qubits after the operation without destroying them. Physcists, feel free to chime in now.

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    4. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sort of. While it would be necessary to have 32 qubits to build a 32-bit processor, that processor would be radically different from the one that's probably in your computer right now.

      Quantum computers probably won't ever displace conventional computers completely; while there are some tasks at which they excel, they would be incredibly inefficient for typical computer tasks. A more realistic role for a quantum computer would be a coprocessor - when the host CPU is presented with a problem that could be better solved by a quantum computer, it offloads that problem to a dedicated quantum computer to which it is attached.

      It would be a tremendous waste of technology to use a quantum computer to evaluate operations which are serial, rather than parallel, in nature. While this may someday change - there was, after all, a day when all the computers in the world didn't have as many transistors as are in a single modern desktop - it is likely that for the forseeable future, quantum computers will remain far too valuable and rare to be used for anything a more conventional computer could do as well.

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    5. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by MOBE2001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Two entangled qubits, meanwhile, can simultaneously evaluate four inputs. Put another way, a traditional memory register with eight bits can store only one of a possible 28, or 256, digital "words," but a quantum register with eight qubits can represent and compute with all 256 words at once."

      So, If you get all possible answers simultaneously, how do you tell which one is the right answer to the problem you're working on?

    6. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      From my understanding, you aren't getting all possible answers simultaneously. You are evaluating all possible answers simultaneously and statistically getting the "right" answer.

    7. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The previous poster was right. The q-registers are QM wavefunctions where the eigenstates represent possible solutions to the problem being computed. You are allowed to manipulate the wave function via quantum (hamiltonian IIRC) operators to your heart's content, but you can only measure one of the eigen states at a time. the tricky part is manipulating a q-register wave function such that the right answers are represented by eigenstates that are more probable than the ones that are wrong. It solves probablistic algorithms, and you don't a QC to do that. What a QC gives you is a way of operating on all possible states at once, whereas a regular turing machine type of computer can only act on one state at a time. This ability allows for a greater range of problems to be tackled in polynomial time by QM probablistic algorithms, such as, famously, factoring a number into its primes.

    8. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by timothyr · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's the trick of designing a quantum algorithm. You set things up so that the "right" answer results in constructive interference, while the "wrong" answers interfere destructively. At the end of the quantum computation, all the probability rests in the answer, but in the course of the computation the system has explored many more possibilities through superposition.

    9. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... so that when you collapse the wave function, voila! the correct answer is revealed, as if by magic?

      Most of the time.

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    10. Re:I'm not a quantum engineer by aprilsound · · Score: 4, Informative

      You actually only get one answer, but all possibilities have been "computed" and the probabiliy that the answer you get is the correct one is atleast above 50%. So, if you need to be certain, you repeat.

      It basic computational theory terms, it is a true non-deterministic fintite automata. For example, suppose you want to compute the sortest route covering all the edges on a graph (if you dont understand that, imagine streets as edges, and that you want to travel down every street).
      This is a classic NP problem, the traveling salesman problem. It is very simple to devise a method of computing a solution, but for a graph of N nodes, the complexity is O(x^n), or exponential growth. In other words, 2 nodes isnt bad, but 10 nodes takes x^8 times as long (x is some constant btw), so for any non trivial TSP, that is quite a long time.
      A quantum computer, however, can solve it in roughly O(N) time, because it computes all possible paths at once, and then the shortest is "probably" the resulting state.
      Simple in concept, but implemention is another thing... Google for Shor's algorithm if you want more information.

  3. And the winner is... by dfn5 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Number 3 in a quantum finish

    No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!

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  4. applicable quote by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 5, Funny

    "So, computers. I hear they basically break down to a bunch of ones and zeroes. I don't know how that means I can see naked women on my screen, but God bless you people"

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  5. Related Quantum News: The Slashdot Effect by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Funny
    Scientists also announced that they had discovered a principle similar to Von Neuman's Catastrophe, namely The Slashdot Effect. This effect makes it impossible to both link to the story from Slashdot and read the story thus linked, as the very act of linking it renders the story impossible to read. To isolate these quantum fluctuations from the greater Slashdot Effect, scientists have suggested calling this specific quantum problem Commander Taco's Catastrophe...

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  6. Re:Advances? by JDevers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, obviously it isn't ready but there are steps between "hey, I've got a good idea" and "you want to buy this product from me???"

  7. Not so soon, may be never by karvind · · Score: 5, Informative
    A non BS critical review.

    Quantum computing: a view from the enemy camp

    Quantum computing relies on processing information within a quantum system with many continuous degrees of freedom. The practical implementation of this idea requires complete control over all of the 2^n independent amplitudes of a many-particle wavefunction, where n>1000. The principles of quantum computing are discussed from the practical point of view with the conclusion that no working device will be built in the forseeable fu

  8. Re:Advances? by nacturation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If your idea of quantum computing is a computer only capable of a handful of bits and costing millions, then yes... the technology is ready. Would you like fries with that?

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  9. What's the point? by jholzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer#Bits _vs_qubits
    "This dramatic advantage of quantum computers is currently known to exist for only those three problems: factoring, discrete log, and quantum physics simulations."

    I don't see Quake 10 on the list, so what's the point?

    1. Re:What's the point? by Jerf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see Quake 10 on the list, so what's the point?

      The point, of course, is to solve the factoring, discrete log, and quantum physics simulation problems.

      Whether that is worth the resources being thrown at it is an exercise for the reader.

      (The more I learn about quantum computing, the less likely I think it is and the more I wonder what all the fury is about. I expect this will collapse in about two years and be remembered right next to the "great" AI era of the 80's. Hey, maybe I'm wrong... and hey, maybe 80's style AI programming really is the path to strong AI and we just didn't try hard enough... but I'm not holding my breath and the burden of proof remains on the researchers.

      It reminds me of FTL or teleportation; with every little "advance" physics fanboys crow about how much "closer" we are, whereas I see an ever-refined understanding of why the thing we are looking for is still impossible and the potential loopholes slamming shut.

      Preparing for "-1, troll" from physics fanboys in five... four... three...)

  10. Re:Religious implications by ulatekh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course! We created God...in our image and likeness, no less.

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  11. Booor-ing... by Goonie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Why merely crack RSA and radically speed up quantum physics simulations? That's aiming far too low.

    Instead, Tien Kieu from my university wants to solve arbitrary Diophantine equations using quantum effects. If he's a) correct, and b) it becomes possible to create the required quantum behaviours for arbitrary equation, the following problems become solvable:

    • The halting problem for arbitrary Turing machines, with all that that would imply.
    • The Riemann hypothesis.
    • Goldbach's conjecture

      Needless to say, to say people are sceptical of Kieu's ideas is an understatement, but it's fun to speculate about the "what if"...

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    1. Re:Booor-ing... by captain1010 · · Score: 5, Informative
      No.

      Quantum computers can change the rate at which problems are solved, but not whether or not a solution is technically achievable through computation.

      Goldbachs' conjecture and the Riemann hypothesis might be provable through an accelerated brute forcing of all possible proofs if, for example, P=NP and algorithmic degrees and coefficients are reasonable, but this is only because such a brute force may be doable already with a sufficiently ginormous length of time (assuming that they are in fact provable to begin with, which some true propositions are not (unless our math is internally inconsistent)).

      The halting problem cannot be solved for arbitrary Turing machines. Period. No algorithm, as we think of them, using quantum computers or not, will get around the fact that such a solution would create a logical inconsistency (a program could determine whether or not it itself would halt, and then do the opposite, but then it would have been wrong, which it can't be by assumption, and so reality bursts into flames). The only possible catch is that a technique that cannot be encoded in a Turing machine would not cause this particular logical inconsistency to arise. Basically this leaves an opportunity for solution through revelation. Or not, depending on your philosophical persuasion towards flaimbait and the rest of existence.

      Again, though, quantum computers do not allow one to execute algorithms that are beyond simulation (albeit more slowly) on classical computers. What ifs are fun, but this one, at least in part, is worse than baseless.

  12. More to it than that... by Goonie · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The halting problem cannot be solved for arbitrary Turing machines. Period. No algorithm, as we think of them, using quantum computers or not, will get around the fact that such a solution would create a logical inconsistency (a program could determine whether or not it itself would halt, and then do the opposite, but then it would have been wrong, which it can't be by assumption, and so reality bursts into flames). The only possible catch is that a technique that cannot be encoded in a Turing machine would not cause this particular logical inconsistency to arise.

    You've got it in one. According to Kieu, his system is a non-computable process; you can't simulate what it does on a Turing machine. Hence your objection doesn't apply to his claims.

    However, there are apparently lots of other objections.

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  13. This isnt right either.. by rufusdufus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A quantum register does not actually represent all possible inputs. It represents a superposition of all possible inputs; this is a very important distinction.

    When the register is 'read' after a computation, it contains exactly one result representing the results of one random possible input. Using a classical algorithm with the register would be exactly like a normal computer with a random setting as the input.

    Getting anything special from a calculation from a qubit register is extremely tricky. Shor's algorithm does a special quantum fourier transform on the register to get the most common possible output [this is a metaphor] and only works because the values of the qbits are not independent (and thus do not represent all possibilites). The algorithm must be run several times to even get a statistically meaningful result.

  14. Re:sounds like rainman autistic computer.... by ByteSlicer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The similarity between brains and a quantum computer comes from the fact that the neurons in the brain also process the data in parallel. There is no quantum computing going on inside the brain. There recently was an article about an autistic savant explaining his calculation skills. Numbers are just shapes to him, and multiplying them means he just merges them in his head and reads back the emerged shape. Probably his visual cortex is doing the parallel operations on the shapes here (maybe similar to using the shader engines on your graphics card for doing calculations).

  15. Re:Quantum computing isn't the holy grail by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thode PDFs don't speak about quantum computers. They speak about using quantum devices to build more efficient classical computers (the fact that they call it quantum cellular automata doesn't mean that it is a quantum computer, it just uses quantum dots for operation). Indeed, they depend on inelastic processes, exactly those processes which actually pose the biggest problem in quantum computing.

    Not every computing which uses quantum mechanics is quantum computing (indeed, otherwise our current computers would have to be quantum computers since semiconductor physics just cannot be done classically).

    Quantum computers are computers which specifically work with quantum information (i.e. superpositions and entanglement). The papers you cited use quamtum dots to more efficiently process classical information.

    Now that doesn't mean that the QCA work is less important (indeed, I think it's far more probable that you'll at some time work with computers based on QCAs than that you'll ever see a real quantum computer in your life). It's just that QCAs are not QCs.

    And yes, I am a quantum physicist (although I don't work on quantum computing).

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  16. We already know what they will look like by jgardn · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's no need to speculate on how a quantum computer will work. We already have working examples, and we already know the generic properties of them. Instead of trying to figure it out on your own, go read the vast amounts of information on the topic available.

    The three properties of the QC that are most important:

    1. You can set the state of the qubits to whatever you like.

    2. You have some transformation that the qubits will go through. This can be arbitrarily complex, and will be the most interesting part of the machine.

    2. You can get a really good estimate of the state by doing the operation from the same initial state several times. See, when you go to measure a quantum state, you get one possibility of many. You have to make a lot of measurements to figure out what is really happening.

    The best comparison is to think of the single-slit experiments you did in High School physics. You take a parallel light source (sunlight, laser, light from a distance) and have it strike a plate with a very thin slit. Then you hold a piece of paper where the light comes out. You will see bands of light, and some chromatic aberrations (you will see colors).

    If you consider a single photon travelling from the light source and approaching the slit, passing "through" the slit, and then travelling off into any one of the finite number of directions, you ask the question: How can we predict which way it will go?

    The answer is you can't. You have to do it a lot (like with a beam of light) and you can easily see what the probabilities are from that.

    You can probably think of the experiment I described above as a very simple form of a quantum computer. You set the input - the light travelling into the slit. You have the transformation - the slit. And you can read the results by doing it several times.

    That's all quantum computing will do for you. It's up to the really smart guys in white lab coats to figure out how to turn that into something useful.

    I believe this will all be abstracted away from your eyes, just like today you don't worry about which register your integers is stored in and such. You will merely say, "Run the calculations on this set of data and give me the result" and it will do it before you can blink.

    Heck, ordinary people won't even get to own a quantum computer until two things happen: (1) We find a better use for them than hacking into banks and stealing people's identities, and (2) we have built up enough of a reportoire of transformations that some subset of that is actually useful to solve the problems we face in computing today.

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