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UK to Build Network of 150 Digital Cinemas

mikael writes "According to this article at the BBC, a network of 250 digital screens in 150 cinemas across the country is being planned. Each film is losslessly compressed from 1 Terabyte down to 100 Gigabytes and encrypted onto a portable hard disk drive with a key unique to each cinema, which is then delivered to the cinema. Each cinema projector will be capable of showing films at resolutions of 2048 x 1080 pixels. "The key benefit is the distribution and screening of documentaries, British and foreign language films, as making a digital copy is considerably cheaper than spending over £1500 pounds to make a copy of a single film". Other benefits include better picture quality and the ability to show more films each day." The UK Film Council has a brief overview of the project as well.

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  1. Digital vs. Film by Orphaze · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't 2048 x 1080 significantly less than regular movie film as far as resolution goes?

    1. Re:Digital vs. Film by badasscat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you shoot 35mm film, you get your negative, you cut the negative, you create a duplicate of the negative, then you create more duplicate negatives from that, then you finally create prints from those duplicate negatives. So by the time it gets to the cinema screen it's not unusual for a 35mm print to have gone through four or five _analogue_ copying stages from the original film negative.

      Er, ignoring digital editing systems that cut at least one step out of that process, I'm not sure where you're getting "four or five" analogue copying stages even out of your own example.

      "You get your negative" - this is the original film. "You cut your negative" - this is still the original film. "You create a duplicate of the negative" - ok, this is copy 1. "You create more duplicate negatives" - this is copy 2. You're not making copies of copies, you're making a bunch of copies from one original. "You finally create prints from those duplicate negatives" - this is copy 3. So, only three copies are made through the most laborious process possible - and digital editing systems cut one copy out of that.

      Not to mention that film has been around for more than 100 years and so much R&D and technological advancement has gone into it over that time that the quality loss is really minimal through every stage. Sure, if you kept making copies of copies of copies of copies, eventually you'd see a real resolution difference from the original; but you won't in any commercial film.

      As a result, the resolution of a final 35mm print is almost certainly substantially less than 2048x1080, whereas digital holds that resolution from start to finish (absent crappy compression schemes).

      Different film stocks have different grain properties, and it's the size and distribution of the grains (the crystals) that hold the detail in analog film. Some film stocks have more than 3,000 crystals per inch, some have less. But all would be significantly and noticeably higher in resolution and detail than 2048x1080 digital resolution even after the production process was complete and all copies made.

      I have seen several commercial films shot, edited and projected digitally - including Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and the last Star Wars. They looked good - cleaner than film prints, surely - but there was noticeable and obvious (to me) pixelization and aliasing throughout the films. Most people probably wouldn't have noticed and/or cared, especially in the absence of the analog "noise" caused by film grain, but it was clear to me that either the projection system or the films themselves did not have the actual resolution of their film counterparts. I don't know what the resolution of the projection systems used in the US is, but I doubt it's much (if at all) lower than 2048x1080.

  2. 10:1 lossless video compression? I don't think so. by mcg1969 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Subject says it all. There's something fishy about a feature film at 1080p24 compressed "losslessly" down to 100GB. That's 573GB (yes, bytes) per hour uncomrpessed, assuming 24 bits per pixel. Even D5 compression isn't lossless, and that's 5:1.

  3. I doubt they mean truly lossless by Kip+Winger · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Converting even raw RGB video down to 1/10 the size, while leaving it lossless, is currently not possible using any compression known to man.

    To get anywhere near that much, you have to at least convert it to the sum of cosines using Fast Fourier Transformation, which, since it distorts the data by converting it to not the exact amounts but the nearest amounts, is inherently lossy.

    Any programmers in the UK want to start a lawsuit for false adverts?

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  4. You know... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps the Media Companies really DO get it, but dont want to lets us know they do..

    Still, I wonder exactly what scheme they use to play these.. And, if I work out the numbers...

    100 GB for 2 hours. Thats 7200 seconds.

    We dont know if thats GB or GiB, so lets assume its GB. 100GB/7200sec or 1 GB per 72 seconds. Thats about 13.9MB per second for all sound channels and video.

    If they really do spend THAT much on making vinal film, why not instead hook up to a fiber optic network and transmit ALL films to a server at the theater?

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  5. Resolution by Omnicrola · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Granted, that's a pretty high resolution by most people's standards, but take into account that it's being projected onto a 30 ft or larger screen, and it seems (to me) that it's not a high enough resolution.
    Someone once mentioned to me that the frames that Pixar renders out for it's films are something on the order of 4000 x Something resolution, which sounds a bit more comperable to film.

  6. Re:Now how long by HawkinsD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Presumably each file is digitally watermarked, so that rips could be identified as having originated in one particular projection booth.

    So... what do you do, as a theater owner, knowing that your ass is personally on the line if pirate copies of your copy of the movie appear?

    If it were my theater, I'd have the only key to the server room, which would be the only place that the hard drive would do any good.

    Since the data has to flow from the server room to the projector when the movie is being shown, I'd enforce access logs on the server, so I could tell if the file had been read at times other than showtime.

    But that still doesn't stop the $8/hour projectionist from installing a device that intercepts the data, copies it, and then passes it along to the projector.

    Are there such things as video projectors that accept an encrypted stream of data?

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  7. In sweden.. by lordsilence · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's been lots of fuss about this digital cinema system. Appearently the projectors last 3-5 years before the technique is "outdated". Sure it cost much less to get a digital cinema projector. But the analog last for 15 years or more.

  8. Re:Now how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Assuming both are digital copies, then a frame by frame comparison should point out any watermarks.

    Not necessarily!

    Assume the pixels of the movie come in a stream M. Now assume you have a pseudorandom sequence P1 that tells you which pixels to add your watermark data to. That gives you a pixel stream M' which is mostly zeros except for the watermark. You distribute M + M' = M1 to the first theatre.

    Now do the same with another copy of the movie, with a different pseudorandom sequence P2. This sequence is uncorrelated with P1. You get another set of pixels M'' which have watermark data. M' and M'' are "mostly disjoint". Now do M+M'' and get M2.

    There is no operation you could do with two movies that would remove the watermarks. You could only add a second watermark to the movie.. Example:

    Subtract the two movies: M1-M2 = M + M' - M - M'' = M'-M'' .. you get a stream of random bits which represents the two watermarks, but with one "inverted".

    Average the movies: (M1+M2)/2 = M + (M' + M'')/2 .. now you've added a second watermark to the movie. The MPAA will put the smack down on BOTH of you.

    However, there's something in that last one.. what if you did this with all 150 movies? (M1 + M2 + .. M150)/150 = M + a tiny bit of noise representing all the watermarks averaged together.

    Would this work? I don't know. They could easily thwart this too, by making sure the frames of the movies weren't identical. They could film at a higher frame rate, and then downsample to a slightly lower framerate, which would make sure each movie's frames were completely different. I don't know enough to contemplate the effectiveness of this. They could even downsample non-uniformly across frames with another pseudorandom sequence and it would be extremely difficult to reconstruct the original M, let alone remove the watermark. So if you tried the trick you would just get noise.

  9. better quality? i doubt it. by DaveJay · · Score: 4, Interesting

    2048x1080 resolution is BETTER QUALITY than analog film? Not likely. They are likely referring to the absence of scratches and whatnot that build up over time, but I have a hard time believing that 2048x1080 projected on a large screen will not look pixelated.