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Was the Mac mini Intended to Have an iPod dock?

RMH101 writes "Was the Mac mini originally designed to have an integrated iPod dock? The Register has an article that appears to suggest it was. This opens up the option of homebrewing your own dock into a mini for yourself..."

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  1. Re:Hmmm.... by Goodl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt anyone would, I mean what does a doc cost versus the cost of replacing your Mac if you fsck it up

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  2. Re:Hmmm.... by slimak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the real difficulty would be maintaining the smooth look of the mini... nothing like a jagged hole to keep the minimalists happy. A dock could be cool for all the ipoders out there.

  3. Makes sense by ceeam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I want Mac Mini. I do not want iPod. As far as I am concerned Apple made a right decision.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, if Apple did it the other way, they still would have made a right decision.

    2. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      iPod...$299
      Mini Mac iPod docking kit...$89
      iPod replacement battery...$95
      iPod car connection kit (white of course)...$56
      iPod home stereo connection kit...$56
      iPod condoms...$14/each
      Apple airport...$129

      Apple raises price of songs on iTMS and screws everyone over... priceless

  4. Homebrew Cases by BlueThunderArmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given some of the homemade cases I've seen, I suspect tinkering with the Mac Mini to give it an iPod dock would make it a bit less "mini" and considerably less stylish.

  5. Good thing Apple changed their mind by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    or we would have had YA device with a non-flat top surface (ie nonstackable).

    1. Re:Good thing Apple changed their mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not necessarily. What if it slid in parallel to the shelf, a-la old school NES carts? I think that'd be pretty slick.

      I should really register one of these days...

    2. Re:Good thing Apple changed their mind by darkwhite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? The dock could be a hole on top of the device that would hold the player vertically. Of course you couldn't stack them/put stuff on top of the unit with the player in the dock, but I don't see how that's an inconvenience.

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  6. Not an iPod doc by Fished · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't think this was for an iPod dock. This guys is basing that conclusion on the fact that it's got firewire connectivity. But we should recally that Firewire was originally mostly used for video connectivity, not iPods, and Firewire is still more-or-less the standard for connecting video cameras and tuners digitally. The logical conclusion is that this bus is not here to support an iPod, but some sort of video hardware ... like, say an HDTV tuner card?

    This ties in nicely to the way that the mini seems tailor-made to be a media-center PC. If some sort of tuner card were plugged into this slot (say in a "Mac Mini Media-Center Edition" or something) you could plug a mini into your TV and be basically set with the ultimate convergence box.

    That's my opinion, anyway. Be looking for a Media Center version of the Mini soon.

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    1. Re:Not an iPod doc by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Running top I see a lot of paging activity,

      As a general rule, if you're seeing any paging, adding RAM will speed things up. The exception would be something that is really CPU bound. Are you seeing high load factors? (Ie, several times the number of processors you have.)

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    2. Re:Not an iPod doc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As far as I can tell that rumor only exists because somebody thought it would be cool if Apple bought Tivo. Personally I can't think of any reason why they would. It would cost Apple almost nothing to implement that sort of technology, so why would they waste money on a mismanaged pile of liabilities?

  7. iPod Docks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't the different iPod models have different docks? So you could have a one-size-fits-all dock, but when you put a mini in it, there would be a gap around the edges, and Apple just wouldn't let that happen.

  8. Sorry it was the price... by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether the Firewire feature was dropped from the first incarnation, or was put in place ready for the Mac's next revision isn't clear. However, early rumours surrounding the so-called "headless iMac" that was to become the Mac Mini, did indeed mention an integrated iPod Dock, fitted to help encourage Windows-using iPod owners to switch to the Mac platform...

    I'm sorry but what made ME (as a "PC" user) to switch to the Mac platform was the price. $499 for the base model is 100% perfect. I have said it here before (and I am saying it again)... Once Apple created a computer that was reasonably priced I would purchase one and I did.

    It's nice that it runs cool, near silent, and that it is snappy for what I use it for (with 512MB) but it's super nice that it was priced right.

    I don't own an iPod and I likely will never own an iPod so the iPod dock wouldn't make me switch. I highly doubt that PC users would switch just because of an iPod docking feature.

    YMMV.

    1. Re:Sorry it was the price... by The+Eagle+Maint · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No offense, but let's say you were a Mac user and decided (for whatever reason) to jump to the PC. If you go to any retail store that sells PC software and pick up something that isn't compatible with your PC, they aren't going to let you return it either. It's a common practice. Too many people have installed software to use and then returned it for their money back, copied it to resell or otherwise abused the return policies of these stores. As I work in retail I have seen it before. They're just following policy to protect themselves. It just seems like a bit of an overreaction to give up on the mini because you didn't check the system specs on the box before you purchased the software.

      BTW, I am a PC user.

    2. Re:Sorry it was the price... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Apple Store does not offer Motion on the 'Accessories for your Mac mini' page which follows adding the Mac mini to your cart. Since this is the only place you might have been meaningfully enticed to buy something non-compatible, you have no case. Apple did do the right thing. Your principle here is wrong.

      Of course, you could try the principle of the click-thru EULA, as another poster has suggested. That might get you a refund.

  9. Firewire drive? by mackman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you read the description, the firewire connection pins are directly next to the connection to the ATA optical disc drive. Maybe Apple wanted to have the option of shipping firewire based disc drives should they become cheaper.

    1. Re:Firewire drive? by Jozer99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Never going to happen, because Firewire drives are simply ATA drives with a firewire adapter attached. Firewire is not a suitable protocol to drive a disk alone. Since it is always more expesive to ADD something, that will never happen.

  10. Re:Flexibility is good by DenDave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it it is to be a "shove-in" dock then it would be a bit nonsensical and un-aesthetic, imagine a mini with a white ipod dangling out of its left side..

    Nah..

    An extra connector is always a charm but a slot for your pod? hrmm.. considering future changes to the form of the ipod I wouldn't go there. The 60gb is thicker than the 40 and the pod mini... ugh just forget about ok? fugeddabaatit ok?

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  11. iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 by Lev13than · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or perhaps... the mac mini 2 is intended to have an ipod dock.

    This got me thinking - my Sawtooth G4/400 has an internal Firewire port. Clearly, the designers intended the next generation of G4s to have integrated iPod docks.

    It's not uncommon for features to get added early in the mobo manufacturing process because it's cheap and relatively simple. This is probably an example of Apple doing a CYA 12 months ago and then abandoning the idea (whatever it was - dock or something else).

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    1. Re:iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, people, the fact that there are headers on the motherboard do not mean that things were going to be inside the case!

      My motherboard has somewhere around 5 USB headers all over it, and they're there to plug in to case-mounted usb ports, not to some internal USB keyboard!

    2. Re:iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, people, the fact that there are headers on the motherboard do not mean that things were going to be inside the case!

      My motherboard has somewhere around 5 USB headers all over it, and they're there to plug in to case-mounted usb ports, not to some internal USB keyboard!


      Post like this from AC's are the reason why I still read at 0.

      "Was the Mac mini Intended to Have an iPod Dock?"

      No. The empty slot just a redundant part on a re-purposed motherboard. Does nobody remember the notorious "mezzanine" mystery header on the original iMac?

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  12. Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And if it drops to $10, you have a price point some people would STILL bitch about. Seriously, people will always want a price point below that which its currently selling for. Oh, and Ive kept my Mini with 256mb ram, and Ive not had any issues with it regarding speed or memory issues - dont take the 'must have 512mb ram minimum' crowd too seriously.

  13. Re:Only suitable mod by Caeda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    " Because slashdot still does not have a "-1, RTF summary you insolent clod"" Should be a -5 RTFM with a 2 week ban from posting on slashdot.

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  14. It's a Macintosh, not a throwaway Dell by ashpool7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the things about buying a Mac is that you can still use it after 7 years. I've got a 400Mhz G4 that I've been using as my main macintosh until a year ago when I got a PowerBook. It runs the latest version of OS X and it usually benefits from the OS upgrades.

    I don't understand how whiners like you get modded up. Here we have the finest combination of a UNIX machine, a excellent UI, and decent market support, and you want it for the price of the crappiest computer you can whip up on Newegg?

    Please. Apple did a great job of trying to meet the demands of the cheapskates. One of my friends who bitched about the price forever finally admitted he had to have a Mini when they were announced.

    If you can't afford it, that's ok. However, nobody owes anything to you, the least of which, a cheaper Macintosh.

    1. Re:It's a Macintosh, not a throwaway Dell by CarrionBird · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What you're saying is true. But it can also be said of most PCs if their owners were willing to do incremental upgrades rather than just buy another disposable PC.

      I've had the same case/mobo etc since 2001. There are sometimes issues with the cheapest brand name PCs. (I've seen recent lowest end Dells that had the AGP port redacted, dude WTF?) But ususally any desktop, mac or pc, is quite upgradeable.

      Aside: Actually I've thought about getting the old G4 cube, it's quite upgradeable for a SFF system. But the ebay price stays pretty high for used.
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  15. Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're apparently just not too choosy about speed, or don't run a lot of apps at once. 256MB is exhausted rapidly under OSX. The OS itself consumes more than 128MB, not counting caching.

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  16. Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When it drops to around $349 then I will jump. I know a few others that want a $299 price point. As it stands now its not truly a $499 machine either as you need a minimum of 512mb of ram to have a good system.

    Mmmkay. The Mini comes with about $200 in software which makes the hardware about $300. Even in the PC world, you can get a minimal piece of crap PC for like $200. A copy of XP will run you about $150. So for your target price of $350^H^H49 you will get a bottom of the line PC with no real end user software. If that floats your boat, then a Mac is not targeted for someone like you. Go talk to someone at a computer retailer like CompUSA. Ask them the difference between PC buyers and Macs. PC buyers come in buy their cheap computer, and are forever coming back buying more crap for it. Typically, a Mac buyer comes in, buys their mac, and they never see them again.

    Oh, and go look on ebay sometime for used computers. Compare the Macs to PCs, and then tell me if the initial purchase price was worth the extra couple of bucks.

  17. Re:Only suitable mod by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If people get banned for not R'ing TFA, who will be left to post on /.?

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  18. Re:Where's the USB dock? by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If this were a USB connector, I might be convinced it was intended as an iPod dock. As of now, all iPods support USB, though only mini's and larger even have Firewire (the iPod Shuffle does not). Maybe I am totally wrong because the dock interface on the bottom might support firewire - I just don't know.

    Every dockable iPod ever made supports both Firewire and USB through the dock connection. There's no reason for Apple to use a USB connection for an internal dock.

    My reasoning is that they left it off to save money and because an integrated dock would taint people's perception of the Mac mini. Instead of "Wow, this is a great computer for $499", people would think "This is a $499 iPod toy".

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  19. Market Forces by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But what you want personally doesnt matter, its what the apple people belive the MARKET wants..

    Currently they belive the market does not.

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  20. Another docking station by owlstead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never understood what the point is of a docking station. Yes, it puts the iPod (or PDA) in a possition that I can read the information on the screen. But I would get that *and* the possibility of using the keys if it was lying flat on my desk. Difficult to knock over as well. I possitively hate the docking station that came with my Palm(s).

    The only reason I see for including a docking station is for them to sell us a "special travel cable", which is basically a wire with their own proprietary connector. That and maybe supplying power, but a powered USB hub could handle that as well.