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FCC Member Copps In Favor of Municipal WiFi

Cryofan writes "Michael Copps, one of the five members of the FCC, spoke on the recent controversy over legislation to outlaw municipal WiFi: "I think we do a grave injustice in trying to hobble municipalities. That's an entrepreneurial approach, that's an innovative approach. Why don't we encourage that instead of having bills introduced--'Oh, you can't do this because it's interfering with somebody's idea of the functioning of the marketplace...a municipality is a democratically run institution. They can make their own decisions. They don't need the Bells. They don't need the Administration, and they don't need me telling them what kind of decision they should be making.'"

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  1. I'm mixfused by Attackman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I supposed to like these guys now? It's rare they say anything that I agree with. Who knows, maybe this cat is the silent minority that doesn't want the broadcast flag and strongly supports boobs on TV.

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  2. Funny how none of this would apply... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...if he was talking about indecency.

  3. IMichael? by XanC · · Score: 5, Funny
    Is he an Apple product, or does he just chat online a lot?

    Either way, hardcore!

  4. This "cat" is a "Democrat," not a "Republican" by Cryofan · · Score: 3, Informative

    2 of the 5 FCC members are Demcrats. 3 are Republicans.

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    1. Re:This "cat" is a "Democrat," not a "Republican" by tealtalon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am ignorant on the actual workings of the FCC, but this strikes me as odd. How can a panel of 5 people, with political party ties, have a say over what can and cannot be broadcast or seen in this country.
      This just strikes me as terribly wrong in a very basic way.

    2. Re:This "cat" is a "Democrat," not a "Republican" by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The FCC is provided certain authority to exercise controls over broadcast and telecommunications media. This is provided by Congress in an effort to provide some level of regulation in the public interest. Members of the FCC are appointed by the president and approved by the Senate. They enforce limits on what can be said based on Congressional approval and court decisions.

      Note that the opinions of even "predictable" members of the commissioners can be unpredictable. Powell recently said that he does not believe that the FCC has or should have the authority to regulate cable or satellite TV and radio. Despite being accused of being in the pocket of the companies over which he holds power, he has also come out in favor of time-shifting (once he got a TiVo), something that has rankled the heads of some media companies. Predicting what the FCC is going to do is like predicting how the Supreme Court will rule: you can get close most of the time, but you can never quite be sure.

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    3. Re:This "cat" is a "Democrat," not a "Republican" by abulafia · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What does that have to do with the price of fish?

      Pie.

      Are these people dues-paying members of these parties, or do they just tend to vote that way (in elections)?

      They are government officials with publically declared party allegiance.

      What kind of Democrat/Republican are they? Slashdot groupthink (as I see it) seems to be (broadly) old-style, small-government Republicanism, as opposed to the policies of the current US administration, formed from the current Republican party.

      I can see why it looks that way, from the outside. I think Slashdot groupthink is naive libertarian (small l; continental types would call it 'liberalism') in the way you mean, except when that means that some scum sucking profiteer might win; then the horde is pro-"justice". Really, generally much more 'liberal' than the U.S. at large, and not that different than other countries. The US is shifting slightly harsh-authoritarian, rather than touchy-feely authoritarian, which is a shame. I don't want to move countries that much.

      Labelling somebody as 'Democrat' or 'Republican', or for the UK, 'Labour', 'Conservative' or 'Liberal Democrat' (a party name that could use some work), is not particularly helpful and merely serves to polarise and oversimplify politics. It gives no indication of the character or philosophy of the person concerned.

      Actually, it does, here in the US. There's quite a bit more of a culture of block-voting, support-the-platform, even-if-it-is-wrong here than in England or many other Euro countries. I could philosophize on why, but will desist. Suffice to say, partisan politics are very entrenched at this point.

      Unless, of course, they are but lackeys of the current or former administration, in which case, look to the politician giving the orders.

      Now you're catching on. The worst part is, the Demos are starting to become the same way, out of self-defense. Which, of course, they have to.

      I hate both of them just about equally. Too bad they're spiraling off into heavily optimized fuck-the-world politics.

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    4. Re:This "cat" is a "Democrat," not a "Republican" by zors · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it does, here in the US. There's quite a bit more of a culture of block-voting, support-the-platform, even-if-it-is-wrong here than in England or many other Euro countries. I could philosophize on why, but will desist. Suffice to say, partisan politics are very entrenched at this point.

      What are you talking about man?

      US political parties are considered "irresponsible" parties in most European countries. This means that individuals are free to vote against their parties, free to walk across the aisle to form alliances on their own, etc. without risking party retribution, (at least retribution as severe as in some other countries, where your career is over if you vote against the party. That might also stem from procedural differences between parliamentary democracies and the American system.) This is part of the reason why we have two big tent parties instead of multiple exclusive parties, like you see in alot of europe in particular. Also, this contributes to the existence of Schwarzenegger "Republicans" and Zell Miller "Democrats".

      At the moment of course, the country may seem much more polarized along party lines, but blue states still elect republicans to some positions, and red states still elect a few democrats.

      Of course, since this doesn't directly bash Bush, i'll probably get modded down.

  5. YES!!!! by Chaos750 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Finally, a politician that makes sense!

    That can only mean he's a robot. Oh well, I for one welcome our logical clear-thinking robot overlords, and wish them luck in getting rid of the current government =)

  6. Be still my heart .... by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why don't we encourage that instead of having bills introduced--'Oh, you can't do this because it's interfering with somebody's idea of the functioning of the marketplace...a municipality is a democratically run institution. They can make their own decisions. They don't need the Bells. They don't need the Administration, and they don't need me telling them what kind of decision they should be making.'

    Someone in the federal government actually understands the role of the federal government? Sad to say, he probably won't last long.

  7. make up your mind! by museumpeace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    either wifi is a public infrastructure like roads and rails or its not. if it is, the "state" in its more general sense has a power and an obligation to see that this data road of the radio frequencies reaches all the citizens and it has the power to collect our taxes to make sure the infrastructure is adequate in capacity and properly maintained.
    if its NOT, then let the moneygrubbing telco's sharpen their knives and move in.
    but as I road-warrior-drive about, I don't want to be disconnected at every jurisdictional and regulatory boundary such as state lines and city limits.

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    1. Re:make up your mind! by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In one of those cases the government shouldn't be telling communities not to build local wifi coverage unless that government already has plans to do it for them, and in the other case the government shouldn't be telling communities not to build local wifi coverage under any circumstances.

      If it is supposed to be a free market issue then the communities should have every right to compete with the telcos, since that's what the whole idea of a free market economy is based on.

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  8. Yes by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love reading about this; this idea that the airwaves ultimatly belong to the public. The idea that the public can't use their own airwaves because a company wants to make money off of it just chaps my hide.

    Perhaps men like this will bring the FCC towards the direction that it needs to be heading. Who knows... some day all of the public airwaves will actually be used to benifit the public.

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    1. Re:Yes by cybrthng · · Score: 3, Insightful

      VOTE.

      Simple as that. VOTE. Not because of looks, appearences or if someone has a twang or not, but vote because someone supports democracy, freedom and the american way.

      Executive powers decide who leads the FCC, but you can put that executive in.

  9. Today in Bizarro Land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  10. He does a lot.. by cybrthng · · Score: 4, Informative

    Search google for him:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=fcc+copps&start=0 &s tart=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org. mozilla:en-US:official

    Against Big media, looks out for the indi media and is looking to actually SET RULES instead of "notions" of what is wrong.

  11. Unlicensed by grozzie2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fcc should have only one comment to this whole issue. 802.11 is unlicensed. As long as the equipment in use falls within the emissioins requirements of unlicensed, what part of the word 'unlicensed' do the rest of the levels of government not understand. They also need to remind the rest of the various levels of government, wifi is a service based on radio transmissions. FCC rulings trump all other levels of government in this area.

  12. OT: Re:I'm mixfused by ThisIsFred · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why don't they require something useful, like a boob-cast flag? Then I could set my DVR to only record shows with the BCF set to 'TRUE'.

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    1. Re:OT: Re:I'm mixfused by parliboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then you'd only get C-SPAN. Big bunch of boobs on that channel...

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  13. Re:Gotta Love Slashdot by jay-be-em · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a huge difference between the federal government spying on its citizens and a local municipality making decisions about how to treat wifi net access.

    Personally I'm often anti-gov't, but I'm quite pro-gov't when the gov't is decentralized and decisions are made at the local level.

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  14. Re:Gotta Love Slashdot by DuckofDeath87 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, IMHO, most slashdoters don't really want there to be less government. I think that most of us here accually just hate big companies, and just do not like it when the government sides with companies on anything, which is the norm.

    Or maybe it is just that comapanies are above the government on the /. hate scale.

  15. Hell just froze over by Nonillion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's amazing when the FCC actually gets something, now if we can get them to reconsider the spectrum polluting BPL decision and that pesky broadcast flag.

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  16. Re:The FCC is provided certain authority ... by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    More specifically, Congress created the FCC in 1934 (from the Radio Act of 1927) and the FCC derives whatever authority it has from congress. The FCC has been known to, at least according to some in congress, overstep their authority. You won't find every agency in the Constitution but you will find the means to create an agency and bestow authority upon that agency.

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  17. Re:The FCC is provided certain authority ... by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Congress created them based on interstate commerce clause. One of the few uses of the clause that actually makes sense. Can you imagine what the US would be like if you couldn't operate a radio you bought in Missouri in Kansas because they use different base frequencies? Or if you were in Kansas City and you'd have to have two radios in your car for the drive across the border from KCMO to KCKS because Kansas ruled that it was illegal to receive broadcasts from Missouri while in Kansas? (hey, just like Canada and US satellite TV!) Or if Kansas ruled that interference with their radio waves was illegal and started taking Missouri stations to court for broadcasting on channels that interfered with their uses of the frequency?

    Even on the subject of regulating what appears on those frequencies is within this scope. If Kansas rules against any nudity, foul language, or unwed mothers are to appear on TV, and Missouri allows a broadcast Playboy channel, whose job is it to build the lead wall between the two in order to keep the smut out of Kansas?

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  18. It's an old story. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful


    People who make money doing things the old way don't want anyone doing things a new way.

    Those who made money with horses did not want cars to be introduced.

    Decades ago, the painter's unions tried to get the newly introduced paint rollers ruled illegal. They were afraid people would paint their own houses.

    The big companies use VOIP to move your long distance calls around. They want private VOIP to be outlawed so they can make a huge profit doing the same thing themselves.

    Aggregating a huge number of users with Municipal WiFi is far more efficient than having each person have a separate account with an ISP. The ISPs want Municipal and private WiFi to be made illegal so they can make a huge profit doing same thing themselves.

    It's "Please, please, please corrupt the government so that I can make easy money."

  19. Bow to your new wireless overlords by geekee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Oh, you can't do this because it's interfering with somebody's idea of the functioning of the marketplace...a municipality is a democratically run institution. They can make their own decisions. They don't need the Bells. They don't need the Administration, and they don't need me telling them what kind of decision they should be making."

    The point of a marketplace is that it provides freedom to choose products and services you want. The Soviet Union was good at showing a govt. controlled economy was not a successful venture. Here is another such example. WiFi is a shitty solution for community wireless networks. WiMAX will be out soon, and is a far better solution for this problem. These Muni WiFi projects are ill conceived and expensive. I know this, but if I'm not in the majority in my community, I'm stuck paying for it. This is not freedom, but tyranny of the majority. I'd rather people voted with their dollars in a marketplace as to what kinds of wireless services they want.

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  20. Government must give proper change a push. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Insightful


    I agree that telecoms can do WiFi more efficiently. But they won't unless the government mandates it. Muni wireless is a way to get started. Eventually, there will be WiFi everywhere, and we will use VOIP for our cell phones. The cell phone towers will become WiFi towers.

    Along the way, there will be less profit for some people, who will fight change.

  21. Just to start a little discussion... by Marran+Gray · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a fun little thought exercise, think about municipal wireless and liability. For that matter, think about any public wireless and liability. We can probably dispose with reasonable expectation of privacy, since it's an open network, but what about spoofing? What if someone hijacks the municipal net and does bad things to the users? What if someone (locally) takes down the municipal net and (locally) sets up a phony replacement?

    Now, think about the differences between a network maintained by the government and one maintained by a private interest. Discuss.

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