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Legal Torrent Sites Help Legitimize BitTorrent

Jeff writes "In today's Seattle Times, technology columnist Paul Andrews highlights how legal torrent sites such as CommonBits may lead to wider adoption and acceptance of BitTorrent. With reports that illegal torrent usage may be more than a third of Internet traffic, sites like LegalTorrents, Torrentocracy, Prodigem and bt.etree may offer a compelling defense to future legal attacks while simultaneously promoting fair use rights. Andrews goes on to argue that the future of television may be no further away than integration of podcasting, RSS, tagging and BlogTorrent."

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  1. Legal torrent sites? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't that imply that the mere (former) existence of sites like Lokitorrent and Suprnova was illegal?

    I'm not sure if that was ever decided by a court - rather it appears that scare tactics caused them to be shut down. For that reason, I personally don't feel comfortable declaring linking to content hosted on other systems illegal.

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    1. Re:Legal torrent sites? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Saying that these sites are legal or illegal is like opening a legal knife shop.

      The torrent protocol isn't illegal, the sites running them aren't illegal, the content distributed from different places however can be illegal in most countries.

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    2. Re:Legal torrent sites? by huge+colin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is that these sites are unquestionably legal, even to boneheaded organizations like the MPAA. (It's necessary to make things very, very simple such that they can understand.)

    3. Re:Legal torrent sites? by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Saying that these sites are legal or illegal is like opening a legal knife shop.

      Er... no, it isn't.

      You can take any knife and commit a crime with it, and likewise you can take any knife and use it in a perfectly legal manner. However, you can't make downloading FreeBSD into copyright infringement whatever you do, and you can't stop downloading a cam of a Hollywood movie being copyright infringement whatever you do.

      Therefore, a single knife can be used both legally and illegally, but downloading from a single torrent can only be legal or illegal. Therefore, your analogy does not work.

      The sites running [illegal torrents] aren't illegal...

      Regardless of whether hosting links to illegal torrents, or running trackers for illegal torrents, is legal or not (given that the people who run these sites inevitably settle when sued, the implication is that THEY don't believe it's legal!), the concept of a "legal torrent site" - being one which hosts only torrents which it is legal for anyone to join - is a useful one.

    4. Re:Legal torrent sites? by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not that they're boneheaded - quite the opposite. Bittorrent and similar apps are (they believe) a real thorn in their side at the moment. They believe that if they can show that these apps have no significant non-infringing use, then they can have them outlawed. That would make their jobs much easier - rather than having to be able to prove that a user was violating their copyrights, they'd just have to prove that they were using the apps at all.

      Let me put it this way - why should they care that people like us use these things for perfectly legal file trading, if enough people use them in ways that do infringe? We're not their concern - preventing you or I from getting the latest Linux ISO isn't going to impact their profits at all. Hell, *personally* they may care, but *professionally*, it's not even a consideration, as long as they (believe that they) stand to lose more money by doing nothing, than by seeking to outlaw p2p apps.

      They're not boneheaded, they just have a different set of priorities, and you're never going to be able to effectively work against them by dismissing them and their actions in this way.

    5. Re:Legal torrent sites? by Heisenbug · · Score: 5, Informative

      Therefore, a single knife can be used both legally and illegally, but downloading from a single torrent can only be legal or illegal. Therefore, your analogy does not work.

      Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that's not true. Depending on the jurisdiction, there are knives that are legal to possess, and knives that are illegal to possess -- switchblades, pocket knives over a certain length, etc. The act of acquiring the knife, like the act of acquiring the file, is itself illegal.

      I don't have the patience to figure out whether either of you is making sense otherwise. Please continue.

  2. Not Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It only takes 1 illegal site to put BitTorrent in the crosshairs of the *AA groups. In fact, the fact that we are celebrating some legal sites speaks volumes to where BitTorrent currently stands.

  3. Sure... by Fyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But is be legal to download anything that I'm ever going to have any interest in?
    I somehow doubt that the content of these sites, and by extension the sites themselves, are going to be popular in the long run.

    Just to state the bleeding obvious, of course.

    1. Re:Sure... by carpe_noctem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe you should check out the sites before passing judgment about them. Actually, I was about to reply to your comment with another snarky jab, but I decided to check out some of the sites and I actually found a bunch of movies that I can't wait to watch once I get home from work.

      Granted, I'll still probably go to other torrent sites too, but don't knock it until you try it. =)

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  4. Fighting this same battle now. by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 5, Interesting
    TPTB at my school have unilaterally blocked BitTorrent, characterizing it as a rogue protocol. The argument the admins make is that any legitimate product will have plenty of bandwidth to be downloadable via http. The administration supports the sysadmins, because they don't like getting C&D's from the *AA, so the power of the technical folks is unchecked--the faculty, traditionally the guardians of freedom on campus, don't even have the issue on their radar.

    Examples like this can only help the cause, though I'm not sure by how much.

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  5. Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    With reports that illegal torrent usage may be more than a third of Internet traffic, sites like LegalTorrents, Torrentocracy, Prodigem and bt.etree may offer a compelling defense to future legal attacks

    MPAA: I'm suing you for you website with links to Torrents of all our movies.

    Pirate: Look, that other site over there offers torrents of non-infringing material.

    Court: Because other people are using torrents lawfully, this guy can pirate all he likes. Case dismissed.

    1. Re:Defense by lachlan76 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not about attacks against pirates, it's against legal attacks against the program creators (ie. holding the owners of a p2p network responsible for its users).

  6. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    With reports that illegal torrent usage may be more than a third of Internet traffic

    The reports state that BitTorrent use may be more than a third of Internet traffic. They don't state that illegal BitTorrent use may be more than a third of Internet traffic.

    You've just gone and assumed that BitTorrent is exclusively illegal, while moaning about the fact that others do it too. Way to go, dickhead.

  7. BitTorrent 4.0.0 Released by theoddbot · · Score: 5, Informative
    BitTorrent 4.0.0 was released today.

    Get it from http://www.bittorrent.com.

    The license has changed to the BitTorrent Open Source License

    Release Notes:
    All new queue-based user interface

    Many options are now modifiable from the interface

    Lots of other interface improvements

    Extra stats are visible, for those who like it

    Remembers what it was doing across restarts

    New .torrent maker "btmaketorrentgui" replaces "btcompletedir"

    Better performance, as always

    License has changed to the BitTorrent Open Source License

    Torrent fields are correctly created and interpreted as utf8

    Too many little things to list

    Single port: launchmany can seed and client can download many files from a single port and thread

    Interface now uses GTK instead of wxWidgets

    BitTorrent packets are marked as bulk data to make traffic shaping easier
    1. Re:BitTorrent 4.0.0 Released by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Funny

      Additional features in the slashdot edition:

      Increase penis size by at least 20%

      Makes you irresistable to the opposite sex*

      Automatic emailing to RIAA/MPAA/CIA and FBI when illegal content seeded.

      Dynamic updating of your DNS, making your banking and ebay experience better.

      Full software testing

      Dupe removal

      *No guarantee they will be the same species however.

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  8. illegal usage legitimate usage by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only problem with "legitimizing" bittorrent's image is that, as a protocol, it's still the most popular one for illega filesharing. We admins quite frankly don't give one hoot about its benign uses: we KNOW that the second we stop filtering BT traffic, our bandwidth usage is gonna go up.

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  9. Pay Per View business model needed by spoonyfork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I missed last week's episode of Lost. None of my friends had recorded it so I found the torrent and downloaded it. Hurley's crazy. Anyway, I would rather have gone to the ABC site, paid like a $1 or something, and downloaded it from them. I want to support stuff I find interesting but there is no way to do that with TV episodes. What do I do, wait for the DVD next year? Please. ABC and the like could use BitTorrent to distribute Pay Per View content. I'd like that very much.

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    1. Re:Pay Per View business model needed by BridgeBum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As would many on Slashdot. I even think the studios want this too...so long as it can be done their way. What's the point of DRM if not to be able to offer content for a fee with the 'comfort' of knowing that the content can't be then shared with 100,000 of your closest friends.

      I'm not a fan of DRM by any stretch, but I think DRM is the missing ingredient to see the *AA embrace new media.

      Of course, if you can come up with a way to avoid all the DRM nonsense and still make the *AA execs comfortable that they will still roll in the dough...

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    2. Re:Pay Per View business model needed by override11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only reason I would donwload off BT network than off the TV studio web site: They will charge far too much for the video, cripple it somehow (DRM), or include commercials. Just charge a reasonable fee, dont screw over the file, and people will not have a problem paying for it.

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  10. got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    they got slashdotted already :/ anybody got a torrent?

  11. Bittorrent traffic makeup... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With reports that illegal torrent usage may be more than a third of Internet traffic...

    Sorry, but how the hell are the people who come up with the numbers able to differentiate between legal and illegal torrents?

    First of all, how do you tell between traffic that's due to Linux ISOs and traffic that's due to the latest movie release? Secondly, how do you differentiate between copying of material that may be legal in one country and copying of the same material that may be illegal in another one?

    I'm not saying that legal torrent usage is greater than illegal torrent usage (any more than I would say that more drivers stick to speed limits than break them) but it seems to me that there's no real way of differentiating between the two, so all those reports are arguably just speculation.

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    1. Re:Bittorrent traffic makeup... by tkw954 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Who in their right mind would advertise the fact they're looking for something which to download would be a violation of copyright??

      You're assuming the copyright laws of your country apply everywhere. For example, it is generally legal to download copyrighted works in Canada.

  12. Lefty-bashing by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So any legal material that doesn't fit their leftist worldview will be censored... how nice...

    No, you idiot, it will just fail to be promoted by this site. There is a big difference. You can do the same kind of thing with your right-wing attack site if you so wish. At the least you can agree that there is a market for news for leftists (whatever "leftist" means - in the USA it apparently means anyone who is not a rabid neocon)

    What I want to see is for this to have no biases

    So make your own. The existence of this site doesn't stop you doing that, and good luck; you'll need it in heaps. Unbiased news is very difficult, arguably impossible.

    I want no political slanting of what gets in, I would far rather it be noted for the fairness of their coverage.

    Try the BBC, it comes close.

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  13. Slackware... by Sierpinski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slackware has been using BitTorrent for a while now. You have the option of using that, or the normal download methods. You can visit them here.

    I've seen many other legitimate uses for BitTorrent, since there are a lot of things to download that are of considerable size.

    Guns are sometimes used to commit crimes, yet we do not outlaw them. Bongs are being sold at the local Waterbeds N Stuff. Knives that aren't practical for neither hunting or home protection can be purchased in lots of places. Why should software be any different?

  14. 3D Gamers use .torrents too by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I downloaded the fairly recent Unreal Tournament patch yesterday from 3D Gamers here and their "World" download is a .torrent. When download sites like these start using BitTorrent, I really think it has become a mainstream technology.

    I also downloaded the Linux version of the same patch.

    Needless to say, the Windows version downloaded at 200+ KB / sec, and the Linux version was restricted by their slightly loaded server at ~80 KB / sec.

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  15. Why don't you ask the MPAA? by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Informative

    Instead of saying , the MPAA this, the MPAA that have you ever tried sending them an email and actually asking them what their position is? Jesus it takes someone as stupid as me to make an informed post.

    Dear Oliver,

    Thanks for your e-mail.

    While Peer-to-Peer (P2P) networks allow for a great deal of opportunity
    for distribution of entertainment, P2P networks unfortunately enable
    massive amounts of pirate activity.

    When people upload or download others' copyrighted works, that is, in
    fact, illegal. There is nothing illegal about P2P technologies, if
    you're sharing work that you have the rights to share. But, most
    commercial works you find available on P2P networks (e.g., albums you
    find in stores, movies you find in theatres or stores) were not posted
    there legally.

    It is only this illegal activity that the MPAA is fighting against. We
    will continue to embrace technology and the opportunities it offers
    responsible citizens using it legally.

    Thanks again for writing, and please let me know if you have additional
    questions.

    Anne

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