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UK Doctors Cure Type 1 Diabetes

ayden writes "The BBC is reporting that a 61-year-old man has become the first person in the UK to be cured of type 1 diabetes thanks to a groundbreaking cell-transplant technique. More info here."

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  1. Whoo hoo!! by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


    I'm off to 7-Eleven for a Pepsi Super Big Gulp!

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    1. Re:Whoo hoo!! by UWC · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'm off to 7-Eleven for a Pepsi Super Big Gulp!

      Ah, so you've decided to pursue Type 2, then, have you? Good luck with that.

  2. Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From someone who has both parents being diabetic, this is great news.

    1. Re:Good news! by RootsLINUX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. I'm also at risk for developing diabetes. Hopefully we'll see the method mature and grow more effective.

      On a side note, if they can extract the pancreas cells from dead donors, then why do they claim to have a major shortage of them? I imagine that they only need to borrow a small sliver of the dead donor's pancreas and not the whole whopper, so one dead donor can help cure tens, maybe hundreds of afflicted patients? But then again I have no idea how many people in the UK don't mind donating their organs after they're dead. Personally I see no reason not to. Spread the love, share the life! =D

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    2. Re:Good news! by hubs99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you are at risk for developing diabetes then you probably have diabetes type 2 in your family, not type 1 which this would cure. Type 2 can be different because although your body is still producing insulin, your body's cells are effectively ignoring it. As for you question. The reason of the shortage is for a multitude of reasons. One being the lack of organ donors, and of those donors those that will match perfectly enough for the stem cells to becmoe integrated. Also if a pancrease has on the orders of millions of cells I would suspect that only a few hundred of them are of the stem cell derivative hence the shortage. Just a postulation. Justin

    3. Re:Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Type II can become (and often does) Type I

    4. Re:Good news! by BovineSpirit · · Score: 1

      People have to specifically give permission for their organs to be used. Also I think there are problems with the recipients body rejecting the cells, so they need specific types of donors. Fairly powerful treatments are needed to prevent the body rejecting the cells, which bring their own unplesant side-effects.
      I can't give blood, as the effects of giving non-diabetic people blood with artificial insulin are not certain. I assume this means that my organs would not be welcome either. There are a number of other medications which prevent you from being a donor.
      I expect this rules out a large proportion of potential donors.

    5. Re:Good news! by kpearce · · Score: 3, Informative

      so one dead donor can help cure tens, maybe hundreds of afflicted patients?
      Unfortunately not. As reported here http://www.channel4.com/news/2005/03/week_2/09_ins ulin.html more than one donor is required for each transplant.

    6. Re:Good news! by Nipok+Nek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not true - Type II is where your body isn't correctly using the insulin it has, Type I is where the body simply doesn't make enough. Anyone (including myself) who has ever "progressed" from Type II to Type I was simply mis-diagnosed in the first place, and was always Type I.

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    7. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On a side note, if they can extract the pancreas cells from dead donors, then why do they claim to have a major shortage of them?

      Society is screwed up. Organ donation should be opt-out, not opt-in.

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    8. Re:Good news! by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? My partner L has Type II but is now on an insulin regime; her doctors say that her diabetes is so severe it's a kind of "type 1.5" - ie Type II with a lot of Type I symptoms. Can you tell me more about how you came to this conclusion?

      cheers!

    9. Re:Good news! by isorox · · Score: 1

      I have no idea how many people in the UK don't mind donating their organs after they're dead. Personally I see no reason not to. Spread the love, share the life! =D

      for most slashdotters its the only way to pass on genetic code

    10. Re:Good news! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Society is screwed up. Organ donation should be opt-out, not opt-in."
      No your wrong simple as that. I do agree that everyone that does not have religious objections should be a opt in. And yes I did. And I told my wife that I want to do it.
      Just opting in is not enough. You need to tell your family.

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    11. Re:Good news! by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Organ donation should be opt-out, not opt-in.

      How exactly would that work? Right now I assume they contact your next of kin and ask what they want to do. If they can't get in touch with your next of kin then I assume they don't allow the donation. Would you want it to work such that if they can't get in touch with your next of kin that they just donate away? Doesn't seem very fair to me. In fact, it'd be rather "screwed up".

    12. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Would you want it to work such that if they can't get in touch with your next of kin that they just donate away?

      Well, there's a section of your drivers license that allows organ donations - it could just as easily disallow donations. Failing that, it could be in your advanced directives at the hospital. We're going to have portable electronic medical records very soon, so if they can identify you then can find out.

      Failing that, as a John Doe, yes, donate.

      Doesn't seem very fair to me. In fact, it'd be rather "screwed up".

      Fair to whom? The dead person? How about the dozen lives that will be saved/improved by the organ donations?

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    13. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      No your wrong simple as that.

      Hated Debate Club, eh? ;)

      I do agree that everyone that does not have religious objections should be a opt in.

      Which religions still prohibit it? Catholics are even jiggy with cremation these days.

      Once exception I know of are Christian Scientists, which don't even believe in blood transfusions. I don't see ER's adopting a no-transfusions policy for all John Does in case they may be Christian Scientists.

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    14. Re:Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's incorrect, sorry.

      Type I, associated with a death of the insulin-producing islet cells of the pancreas (due to an autoimmune reaction) can indeed come from Type II diabetes.

      What typically happens, is that the first stage of NIDD (non-insulin dependent diabetes) occurs when body tissues become insulin resistant. The levels of insulin increase, as the typical levels don't reduce blood glucose sufficiently (due to a change in insulin receptors. The down-regulation comes in response to overstimulation).

      After a long enough period of this Type II diabetes, the insulin producing islet cells actually cease production and/or undergo senescence or apoptosis.

      When this happens, the body actually stops producing insulin - the person becomes Type 1 diabetic.

      It is rare when the Type 2 diabetes is managed sufficiently, but it is a known outcome.

      Disclaimer: I'm a biochemist, not a medical doctor :) Ask a doctor if you're interested in the details of this :)

    15. Re:Good news! by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Well, there's a section of your drivers license that allows organ donations - it could just as easily disallow donations.

      That's not how it works in Florida. You are asked if you want to donate your organs in your application and you check "yes" or "no". I suppose if you checked neither they wouldn't print "organ donor" on your card like they have on mine, but that's really splitting hairs.

      It's also rather irrelevant. Once you're dead it doesn't really matter what you wanted to do. I suppose you could argue that all bodies should automatically become the property of the state, and I guess I wouldn't personally object (assuming the state uses the bodies for good purposes), but I imagine there are quite a lot of people who would.

      Fair to whom? The dead person?

      Of course not. Fair to the next of kin. Again, your wishes are irrelevant (except to the extent your next of kin chooses to obey them). Dead people don't have rights. The person who makes the donation isn't the dead person, it's whoever takes custody of the dead person's body. If you don't have a will, it means your family (the specifics vary a little by state at that point, but if you're married it generally means your spouse). Even if you do have a will, it's up to whoever you name in the will to respect your wishes. As I've said, the law doesn't respect the rights of dead people (and how could it, dead people can't bring lawsuits).

    16. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      You're exactly right, that's how it works. The next of kin even has authority over advance directives in some hospitals.

      But that's a complex case. The base case is a John Doe in the ED, say he lost his brain in a motorcycle accident, no ID. If he hasn't explicitly consented to organ donation, his organs rot.

      Current law/tradition prevents his organs from being donated. In large part this is based on the religious belief that God will raise the Believing Dead at the Rapture and that (somehow) He needs the dust from what used to be the lung to recreate the whole body... a view no longer espoused by most religions I know of.

      I'd rather live in a world where "Died Waiting for an Organ Donation" isn't in anyone's epitaph.

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    17. Re:Good news! by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      I'd rather live in a world where "Died Waiting for an Organ Donation" isn't in anyone's epitaph.

      As would I, but I don't think you need to change the law to make this happen. We really just need education.

      We also need a lot of brain dead people. I'd be interested in knowing just how many useful organs are thrown away in the first place. The vast majority of deaths I would think are cardiac deaths and not brain deaths. And even when there's a brain death of an eligible donor, you've still got to find a match of some sort. Is the problem really lack of permission, or is it something else? I don't know.

    18. Re:Good news! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Hated Debate Club, eh? ;)"

      When the government starts assuming permission it is wrong. Do you want an opt out policy for phone taps, searches, or drug testing?
      Actually I know some Jewish sects forbid it. Plus I am sure that there are some individuals that have feelings that it is wrong.
      Your example of Blood transfusions not a good example. That is a procedure to save the patients life. Organ harvesting involves the termination of the patients life. While I agree that brain dead is as good as dead there are some that do not. You can also get into a gray area where the higher functions are gone but the brainstem is still working. While I personally do not have a problem with that many do. Just opting in is just wrong on so many levels that to even try and debate it is waste of time. As I said I am an organ donor I think everyone should opt in but no one has the right to assume that everyone feels the same way. I am also a diabetic so I can understand what a great gift this procedure is.

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    19. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Your example of Blood transfusions not a good example. That is a procedure to save the patients life.

      We're trying to be sensitive to religious views here. It may well save the patient's life, but if the patient's beliefs are correct, it may well also damn their immortal soul for all eternity. Point being, they would rather die than be transfused but we don't extend them that courtesy.

      Organ harvesting involves the termination of the patients life.

      Really? At the hospitals I'm familiar with 5 minutes of cardiac death is required before explant. No blood pumping means no oxygen to the brain, means brain death, means death. There's legal support for that definition.

      I think you're talking about taking organs from a braindead/comatosed individual, which is an entirely separate debate.

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    20. Re:Good news! by cephyn · · Score: 1

      I work in the organ transplantation business. typically, organ donations from cadaveric donors must come from heart-beating donors -- in other words, brain-dead. Once the heart stops beating, necropsy sets in. even hours of stagnation can be severely detrimental to the organ. once an organ is past about 24 hours of stagnant existence (less if its not on ice), its nearly worthless.

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    21. Re:Good news! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Really? At the hospitals I'm familiar with 5 minutes of cardiac death is required before explant. No blood pumping means no oxygen to the brain, means brain death, means death. There's legal support for that definition."
      I can not imagine that would be of much use for heart transplants. I even question that for liver or lung harvesting.

      Even if you want to reduce organs to the level of property it is not right to assume that just because the "owner" does not need them anymore that you have the right to take them. Since the orgianl owner is dead they would belong to their family. It must remain an opt in procedure if for no other reason than individual rights. As I said I think everyone should opt in and tell there family that is what they want to do. I would go so far as to put it in to your will.
      "We're trying to be sensitive to religious views here. It may well save the patient's life, but if the patient's beliefs are correct, it may well also damn their immortal soul for all eternity."

      I am pretty sure that it would only be a sin if it was done willingly. Not sure since I am not a member of a faith the has issues with being an organ donor or blood transfusions. Most religions that I know of require intent for it to be a mortal sin. But I stand by my early statement that the procedure is of no worldly benefit to the donor. Standard medical ethics is that if a treatment has no benefit it should not be done.
      Just because I believe that the act of being a donor has other benefits , good karma, blessings for a selfless act, or having the last thing you do being a good thing does not mean that others feel the same.

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    22. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Even if you want to reduce organs to the level of property it is not right to assume that just because the "owner" does not need them anymore that you have the right to take them. Since the orgianl owner is dead they would belong to their family. It must remain an opt in procedure if for no other reason than individual rights. As I said I think everyone should opt in and tell there family that is what they want to do.

      We're in 100% agreement regarding property rights and ownership and there should be nothing conferring rights to the organs to the State, over the objection of the individual. This really is in parallel to other property of a deceased individual. If there's no will or next of kin the State assumes responsibility for final arrangements and takes all property, but if there is a will the citizen gets to specify, after his death, what becomes of it.

      We assume today, as a base case, that the deceased does not want his organs donated. The only difference I'm arguing for is to assume he does want his organs donated, by default. This is the Christian/Charitable/"Right" thing to do, and most law assumes that sort of position in absence of other provisions.

      As much as I wish we could rely on Education, there are too many stumbling blocks for the current system. As you mentioned being a donor yourself, even if you have a living will and advanced directives, your second nephew twice removed could get cold feet about it in the ED and your wishes would be overridden. The hospital does not want to risk bad PR or a potential lawsuit. This is easy to justify because, by default, there is no donation.

      This sets up a climate where it's very easy to not donate but very hard to donate. Most people won't do anything, we're just lazy like that. We'll take whatever the default option is. This is a hard position to argue against as the default option in society so often codifies the best moral choice. Couple that with a marked decrease in donors over the past decade due to improved medical care and increased safety of automobiles (airbags/crumple zones/seatbelt laws/helmet laws) and we're currently headed in exactly the wrong direction. I wish education were the solution, but our experience over the past 20 years or so with that approach is lacking in results. If there's a new educational approach that could work, it would be far easier than any law reform and I'd welcome it, but we haven't seen it yet.

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    23. Re:Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Type 1 and type 2, not type I and type II

      Type I and type II are part of some old scheme no longer in use,

    24. Re:Good news! by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

      "Doesn't seem very fair to me."

      Who is cheated in that case?

    25. Re:Good news! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Couple that with a marked decrease in donors over the past decade due to improved medical care and increased safety of automobiles (airbags/crumple zones/seatbelt laws/helmet laws) and we're currently headed in exactly the wrong direction."

      You have to admit that sounds really bad. But I am hoping that is not what you meant.

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    26. Re:Good news! by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      The family of the dead person. You may not agree with their religious practices, but I'd say in this case they have a definite right to practice them.

    27. Re:Good news! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      You have to admit that sounds really bad. But I am hoping that is not what you meant.

      That's exactly what I meant. Fewer donations available year after year is exactly the wrong direction. What sounds bad? You think it's good that we have a decreasing number of organs available for transplant? That means more people die waiting for transplant. That public education about the need for organ donations has largely failed?

      Are you inferring that I'm advocating more people die in car in car wrecks? Are you just trying to quote me out of context for a strawman? Are you ignoring the phrase "Couple that" for effect? I don't see how you can argue a shortage of donation organs is a good thing. We don't live in a world where noone dies from nothing but old age.

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    28. Re:Good news! by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

      They need a dead person's organs for a religious ritual?

    29. Re:Good news! by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Yes, some people do.

  3. One word... by trentfoley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sweet

    1. Re:One word... by bersl2 · · Score: 1

      -1, Bad Pun

    2. Re:One word... by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sweet

      You must have lived a very insulinated life to make a joke like that.

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    3. Re:One word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, at my AGE I just don't find things like that funny anymore.

      (Okay, only a few biochemists who know that AGE=Advanced Glycation Endproduct (that means sugar crosslinks with biomolecules) are going to get that one. Until I killed it by explaining it.)

      Damn.

      BTW, biomolecules cover proteins, lipids, nucleic acids in case you were wondering :)

    4. Re:One word... by the_mind_ · · Score: 1

      I inject to your insensitive jokes!

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  4. This is amazing! by opposume · · Score: 1

    I can't express enough the gratitude I have for those scientists who keep pushing through for advancement. Keep up the good work and keep those cures coming. I'm sure it'll be a while before the cure becomes readily available. Especially in the US due to strict USDA laws and regulations, but I hope it does well and progresses quickly.

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    1. Re:This is amazing! by WyerByter · · Score: 1

      It's not USDA, it's FDA.

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  5. The only drawback by SimianOverlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is the anti-rejection drug regime. It can cause problems down the line with side-effects and with the immune system somewhat compromised, a susceptibility to infection.

    If stem cell research continues at the rate it does, even this will be solved when cord blood stored at the patients birth is encouraged to differentiate into Eyelet cells, injected back into the patient years later and begin producing insulin. No rejection problems with your own-tissue-derived cells.

    Also, this, as far as I am aware, will not help with Insulin-independent diabetic conditions.

    USians, consider writing to your senator to protest Bush policies on Stem cell research. I'm not having a pop at him - fair enough if it's a moral issue to some folks. Just register your opinion with them. It can't hurt.

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    1. Re:The only drawback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If other techniques are developed to remove all posibility of rejection from human transplants is Gil the Arm a necessary development?

    2. Re:The only drawback by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Actually this technique explicitly helps those with Type I diabetes (i.e. insulin dependent).

      It does nothing to help with Type II diabetes, which you get from a lifetime eating foods for the mouth, and not the body.

    3. Re:The only drawback by geekboy642 · · Score: 1

      Damn.
      Now I have to earn Gil to get my organ transplants?
      I just finished my Evercrack detox program!

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    4. Re:The only drawback by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      What do Bush's polcies on stem cell research have to do with cord blood stem cells?

  6. The biggest problem... by Oen_Seneg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...I see is the need for three pancreases for the process - it'd take a lot of donations to cure every Type 1 Diabetic out there. Stiil, they interviewed the guy on the radio, and he seems happy that he's got the flexibility, so its still an improvement (drugs compared to needles - tough choice)

    1. Re:The biggest problem... by trawg · · Score: 1

      Heh, there was this story about organ donation on local TV here in .au a couple nights back. I think they were talking about donating kidneys, or something. I was doing something else at the time so wasn't paying attention, but one thing that I heard that really struck me was the SOURCE of these donated kidneys - they were from executed Chinese prisoners.

      Organs for everybody!

    2. Re:The biggest problem... by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      ...was the SOURCE of these donated kidneys - they were from executed Chinese prisoners.

      Organs for everybody!


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  7. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 0

    If it's true, then this is hardcore!

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  8. This has happened before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This page has some information about people who have had this treatment in the US. One of these individuals was one of my science teachers in high school (until she got fired for some "frisky" behavior with members of the hockey team).

  9. Woah, don't drink that yet! by bluGill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a cure for type I. Type I is what you get as a kid when your body never makes enough insulin. Type II is what you get when you consume so much sugar your body can't produce enough insulin.

    Drink that Super Big Gulp and you will add to your chance of getting type II, which isn't covered by this treatment. (Not to mention all the other unhealthy things about soda in general)

    1. Re:Woah, don't drink that yet! by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Type II is what you get when you consume so much sugar your body can't produce enough insulin.

      Wrong. That's nothing but an old wive's tale. You get Type II diabetes when your body has trouble keeping your blood sugar at the right level. It's not just insulin, you have problems when it gets too low too, because your body may not react properly and pump some more sugar into your blood. Among other things, Type II diabetes is caused by exposure to Agent Orange. That's why any Viet Nam era veteran with Type II gets payments, provided that they were ever in-country. In my case, my service was off-shore, so it's assumed that I wasn't exposed.

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  10. Three? by devphil · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The articles linked only say that this patient received three transplants. Nothing more.

    Where is your source for the conclusion that every patient is going to need three transplants?

    For all these brief articles tell us, maybe one procedure would be sufficient for a diabetic in better condition; Mr Lane sounded in pretty bad shape (falling into comas on a semi-regular basis) to this here diabetic.

    For that matter, where do you get the "1 donated pancreas" == "1 islet cell transplant" equation? That's a mighty big leap to make given these scanty articles.

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    1. Re:Three? by Oen_Seneg · · Score: 1

      Can't remember the exact context of the radio article (this was BBC Radio 4's 6:00 news), but I'm sure there were three actual pancreases used for the right amount of islet cells. Aparrently a lot are lost in the transfusion.

      However, the news item also mentioned about efforts to develop synthetic islet cells - not sure how that'd work, though.

      I listened to TFA, and BBC radio's making a lot of news out of it. Slow day, probably.

  11. Type I == Juvenile Diabetes by Violet+Null · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately, it's a poor name. 50% of Type I diagnosises occur in people above the age of 18.

    1. Re:Type I == Juvenile Diabetes by jadavis · · Score: 1

      Actually "juvenile diabetes" is an accurate name. I was diabetic for at least 10 years before I was diagnosed at 12-13.

      Just because 90% of doctors don't care about patients at ALL and are so dense they can't diagnose a common condition with unique, easily testable symptoms before the patient is an adult doesn't mean you should change the name of the disease.

      <rant>
      If you couldn't tell, I'm bitter. My mom thought I was diabetic the whole time and I went to many many doctors (including a special childrens' hospital in Oakland when I was 4) and I wasn't diagnosed until I was 12-13. If you don't have a doctor in your family (I don't), then you are really screwed. Really, really screwed. No matter how much you pay them, doctors just don't care unless you're going to die before the appointment is up.

      That's what you get when you bestow titles on people I guess. Screw the AMA, let non-AMA people practice legally.
      </rant>

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    2. Re:Type I == Juvenile Diabetes by Violet+Null · · Score: 1

      Yes, you do sound bitter, but it doesn't change the fact that 50% of cases of Type I diabetes are in people above the age of 18.

      Not sure about your case, but you do not have Type I diabetes, untreated, for 10 years. Onset of Type I diabetes happens, at most, over a period of months. After that, if untreated, you go into diabetic ketacidosis, and you die. You simply can't have untreated Type I diabetes for years.

    3. Re:Type I == Juvenile Diabetes by jadavis · · Score: 1

      Yes, you do sound bitter, but it doesn't change the fact that 50% of cases of Type I diabetes are in people above the age of 18.

      And, assuming that's true, that does not imply that the 50% to which you're referring did not suffer before they were 18. It merely implies that they were not diagnosed until they were 18. Which more clearly suggests the reasoning behind my rant.

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  12. Restrictions a good thing by Ironsides · · Score: 1

    Just remember, It's those FDA restrictions (which I assume you mean as opposed to USDA which is the Department of Agriculture) that kept Thalidomide from being as widely used in the US as it was in Europe.

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    1. Re:Restrictions a good thing by opposume · · Score: 1

      My appologies on the mixup of FDA with USDA. I should of paid more attention. And I'm not spouting against the FDA. I'm just saying that I hope this treatment has an easy time to pass their inspection.

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  13. Type -1 to Type -2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like it just turns Type-1 into Type-2 diabetes...

  14. Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Informative

    I kid you not.
    It works great and it doesn't harm my septic tank!
    Leave it for an hour or overnight and flush in the morning.

    Now if pop can do that, imagine what it does inside you!
    Pepsi works too.

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    1. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My brother in law used to work at a pepsi plant. They used the diet mountain dew concentrate as floor cleaner. They had to be careful not to let it sit in one place for too long or it would eat a hole in the floor.

    2. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by blincoln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now if pop can do that, imagine what it does inside you! Pepsi works too.

      I'm sure stomach acid would work at least as well as a toilet bowl cleaner. Imagine what *that* does inside of you. Oh, wait.

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    3. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      MT dew concentrate, is that the syrup that they use in soda fountains?

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    4. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      My brother in law used to work at a pepsi plant. They used the diet mountain dew concentrate as floor cleaner.

      Yeah ok. You sure it wasn't a friend of your brother-in-law's uncle's neighbor from down the street?

    5. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Now if pop can do that, imagine what it does inside you!

      Keep me clean?

    6. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, vomit has stomach acid in it, and it can destroy the ENAMEL OF YOUR TEETH! Imagine what it does inside of you? Oh, wait....

    7. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Basically yes.

      They used the stuff with no corn syrup or water added to it. Mostly consists of citric acid in high concentrations.

    8. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by eraserewind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I hear dose lemons contain acid too. You can't trust nuthin dese days.

    9. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is, of course, and urban legend and patently untrue, like the story about how cops carry around a few two litre bottles of Coke to clean blood off the highway.

      Stuff and/or nonsense.

    10. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by ivi · · Score: 1


      'dunno, but I think MythBusters
      just have just busted this myth... :-/

    11. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by raduf · · Score: 1



      If i'm not mistaking, that's clorhidric acid inside us which is pretty nasty stuff. I mean burns your firgerprints alog with your fingers nasty ;) Dilluted of course but still stronger than coke. Coke is bad cause it's a lot, and the caffeine in it also increases natural acidity in the stomach, and so all of it adds up and in the long term.

      In my experience i can drink pretty much whatever i want as long as i'm not in any stress. Once I have deadlines and things going wrong, every glass of cola or wine couns.

    12. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by Copious1 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, If cola cleans toilet bowls, and stomach acide cleans toilet bowls, and alcohol is also a good solvent/cleaner, we should just drink lots of "rum & coke"s, then "hurl" into the toilet bowls to get the clean!!!!

    13. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Now if pop can do that, imagine what it does inside you!"

      You motherfuckers will believe any email you receive, won't you? Do you own research. Your stomach produces stronger acid.

    14. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by IWorkForMorons · · Score: 1

      I've tried this. Left it in for 2 hours. Nothing. Now unless I'm doing something wrong, I'm pretty sure this doesn't work. Which was bad, since I tried it while cleaning before a party...

    15. Re:Coca-cola: Toilet bowl cleaner! by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      psst ... Mountain Dew is made from orange concentrate ...

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  15. Hopeful, even though this isn't really new by bishr · · Score: 2, Informative

    I doubt this will become the standard of care for type I diabetics.

    Why? This treatment is very complicated, costly, invovles suppressing the immune system (which has its own problems), and has had very limited success in the past. Pancreas transplantations are really nothing new (they've been doing them with bilateral kidney tranpslants for years); what's more novel here is that they've transplanted only the islet cells from the pancreas. The thing is, whatever causes type I diabetes in the first place, by killing the islet cells, has killed the transplanted iselt cells in previous attempts.

    I'm doubtful but hopeful.

    Oh, and for those with Type-II diabetes in the family, this has no relevance to you whatsoever. Sorry; the mechanism of the disease is different, though the results (too much sugar in the blood) is the same. In short, in type-I, the body doesn't produce enough insulin, and in type-II, the body is insulin-resistant (ie, less responsive to insulin).

  16. at last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    finally mary tyler moore will shut the hell up.

  17. Wrong by clawsoon · · Score: 1
    No rejection problems with your own-tissue-derived cells.

    Actually, since diabetes is an auto-immune disease, islet cells even from from your own body will be rejected. That's how Type I diabetes happens in the first place: Your immune system identifies your islet cells as invaders and destroys them.

  18. Not necessarily by SimianOverlord · · Score: 1

    What you say could be true, but it doesn't naturally follow. Even with the best technology available, induced islet cells are not identical to body grown islet cells, they're just close enough to make no difference therapeutically. An auto-immune response accidentally targets your cells by recognising cell surface markers which it shouldn't. There isn't the research doen to substantiate your assertion as far as I know, but it is a sensible conclusion. You could get around it, I think, by selection of cultured differentiated stem cells which do not express the cell surface marker that causes the difficulty, either by direct intervention via drug selection, or directed selection ie. cell sorting/ culturing of low expressed CD markers.

    Either way, a immune suppression regime (to prevent the auto immune response) would be substantially lighter than that required to suppress total rejection of all aspects of the foreign cells in the transplant.

    I should say, this is not my area of expertise, this is based on some paper reading, recall and conversations with other scientists.

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  19. A stunning breakthrough by Bootle · · Score: 1
    until antibiotics fail... and when they do, Type I diabetes is the LAST of our worries

    Seriously, without antibiotics, has there been ANY medical advance in the past 50+ years? The adoption of plastic to improve hygiene?

    It will be like the civil war, "He's got a scratch, get my bone saw." Only this time it will be a very *clean* bonesaw...

    1. Re:A stunning breakthrough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, we're still managing to just hold on for most antibiotics, and the medical community is getting a little more creative in other forms of bacteriocidal and bacteriostatic treatments.

      In addition, we could always start looking into the Soviet programmes on bacteriophages. They had large stocks they were developing, and they were quite useful. Bacteriophages are basically viruses that attack bacteria - and will do the job of antibiotics in many cases.

      Even with the scares of multiple drug resistant microbes, I think knowledge of proteomics and chemical engineering is growing fast enough that we'll soon have some new last resort antibiotics to replace the ones that are beginning to fail now.

    2. Re:A stunning breakthrough by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      Look into bacteriophage therapy.

      I've posted a few articles to Slashdot but they've all been rejected.

      It's sustainably developed antibiotics! :)

      Good stuff.

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  20. I'd be interested... by clawsoon · · Score: 1
    ...in any research you could track down on this.

    Of course, an approach sometimes used in treating lupus (see the section "Hematopoietic Stem Cell Therapy for Autoimmune Diseases") could always be used to overcome the autoimmune problem for good - destroy the immune system and repopulate it from scratch. A bit dangerous, though.

  21. Sadly, by SimianOverlord · · Score: 1

    the research available is generally through scientific journals which charge a hefty fee for the ability to look through them. Even a service such as Medline which allows you to search through abstracts - not complete articles - isn't free to any member of the public.

    The Institution I work at cannot afford much more than ~200 journal subscriptions, and it's a major UK research institute. Nature and its offshoots(like Nature Biochemistry, Nature Biotechnology, Nature Molecular Biology etc. etc. is horrendously expensive). The lack of available science to the layperson is a total scandal.

    You could use local library facilities depending where you are based, for instance the British Library will be able to get almost anything on request. The Catch-22 is, you need some service like Medline to find papers you might be interested in, but without access, although you can request the papers themselves, you don't know what to look for. If you're at Uni, you should be able to get ATHENS access on behalf of your institution if you ask nicely. An ATHENS authorisation will allow you to use MEDLINE normally, which is just a search engine for scientific papers. Try searching for reviews in the last 5 years on a couple of keywords you might be interested in, if you get this far. They collate available information and explain enough that an intelligent layperson can follow without difficulty. I'll revisit this topic at work tomorrow and try and dig up specific papers for your query. All the techniques I mentioned in my previous post are fairly mundane and mature molecular biological techniques.

    The suggested treatment in your url looks a lot like that for leukaemia, to be honest. The difference is the stem cells are supplied not by a bone marrow transplant, but through the stem cells previously isolated. It works, but its an EXTREMELY expensive and yes, medically dangerous, treatment again making extensive use of immune suppressive drugs (in leukaemia - they wouldn't be necessary in the postulated stem cell treatment).

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    1. Re:Sadly, by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      Even a service such as Medline which allows you to search through abstracts - not complete articles - isn't free to any member of the public.

      There is PubMed, which includes MEDLINE citations and is free.

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  22. Which is why I said: by SimianOverlord · · Score: 1

    Also, this, as far as I am aware, will not help with Insulin-independent diabetic conditions in grandparent.

    Diabetic fatties will have to wait on further research into the cellular nature of their disease. When I was at Uni (~3 years ago) they pinpointed the disease to interference in the specific process somewhere between Insulin Receptor recognising Insulin (which went fine) and actual cellular changes as a result of activation and dimerization of IR. It's almost certainly moved on since then, but there's been no "headline" discovery of exactly why some people start ignoring Insulin, or I'd probably have noticed it.

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  23. Stepping stones by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is being tried today.

    Like insulin when it first appeared, it was cow and sheep insulin. It wasn't until years later that Humulin was developed (synthetic human insulin to you layman).

    This is the first step and assuming it works as well as it appears from this write up, then wholesale cloning of the pancreas tissue will follow.

    And for those that think this has no bearing on type II diabetis, you are shortshighted, at best, and wrong at worst. ANY time you cure a related desease, some of it becomes a significant gain to all the other related deseases.

    I'm happy even if it only cures Type I. Even though I am a type II, my brother is a type I and it wll probably help him. It's too late for my Mom.

  24. The Beeb got it wrong... this has been done before by Methionine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not sure how this has been missed, but unless I'm mistaken, this is *not* the first time we've seen islet cell transplantation to correct Type I diabetes in patients with insulin-dependant diabetes mellitus (IDDM). From http://www.diabetes.org.uk/islets/trans/edmonton.h tm "The 'Edmonton' protocol is a procedure developed in Canada for transplanting healthy islet cells into people with Type 1 diabetes. The series of islet transplantations carried out by James Shapiro and his team since March 1999 has enjoyed levels of success that are unprecedented in the field of islet transplantation surgery. Since the Edmonton transplantation research trial began, 48 patients have undergone 92 islet infusions in Canada. The most recent statistics from Edmonton (January 2003) state that one year after transplantation 84 per cent of patients remain insulin free and that after three years, 89 per cent of patients are still producing insulin. Previous islet cell transplants have only succeeded in around eight per cent of cases. In addition to the work being carried out in Canada, approximately 200 patients have received islet transplants using the 'Edmonton' protocol or varients of the process in several centres worldwide. There are now almost 75 programmes planned to become activated within the next six to 12 months." Also, check this link from the Alberta Heritage Foundation for Medical Research: http://www.ahfmr.ab.ca/publications/newsletter/Sum mer00/sum00/inside/diabetes.feat.htm

  25. No. by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, without antibiotics, has there been ANY medical advance in the past 50+ years?

    For all intents and purposes, the answer is no.

    Of course, the pedant would argue the semantics of the word "medical", and offer up examples like

    1) Surgical device technology [to include technology used by non-surgeons, such as invasive cardiologists]

    2) Anesthetic technology [to include pain medicines]

    3) Imaging technology [CAT scans, ultrasound, etc]

    But if you define "medical breakthrough" as something along the lines of "a chemical [non-mechanical] agent that cures [not just treats the symptoms of] a disease [as opposed to a mechanical injury, like a broken bone, or a blocked artery]", then the hundreds of billions [trillions?] of dollars spent on "medical research" in the post WWII era by the western world has been, for all intents and purposes, an utter and complete waste of money.

    And if the "cure" for Type I Diabetes described here is nothing more than a partial pancreatic transplant in combination with an aggressive regimen of anti-rejection drugs, then I wouldn't classify it as a "medical" breakthrough - rather, it's just a new surgical technique.

    PS: If you [or a loved one] ever get really, really sick, keep in mind that the only person who stands a chance in hell of doing anything beneficial for you is a surgeon, not a medical doctor.

    PPS: Antibiotics, the true "medical" breakthrough of the 20th century, are primarily a tool of the surgeon, not the medical doctor.

    1. Re:No. by radtea · · Score: 1


      A surgeon of my acquaintance used to claim that there were only two significant medical advances in the past 200 years: anti-biotics, and sterile technique. To that I would add anesthetic, although that's more of an enabling technology than a cure. The effect of everything else has been tiny in comparison.

      Probably the largest "minor" advance was the use of radiation to treat cancer. However, the success rate (60% of patients improve, 40% don't) has not changed significantly since the 50's, when Canadian doctors pioneered cobalt therapy. We've spent oodles of money on improvements since then, and some of those improvements have had a big effect for a small number of people, but the big numbers have not changed significantly.

      The reality is that the largest increase in human health world-wide would be achieved by taking 100% of medical research dollars in the developed world and spending them on basic infrastructure--like clean water and sewage treatment--in the developing world.

      --Tom

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    2. Re:No. by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

      PPS: Antibiotics, the true "medical" breakthrough of the 20th century, are primarily a tool of the surgeon, not the medical doctor

      The may be the tool of the surgeon, but they are the refuge of the harried pediatrician!

  26. CBC reported the Edmonton Protocol -years- ago... by ivi · · Score: 2, Informative


    Reporting (on Quirks & Quarks sci show)
    success rates aproaching 90% from memory,
    albeit with some side-effects.

    The idea was to transplant islet cells
    from a healthy person into the Type 1
    sufferer.

    People queued for the chance to join the
    medical trials around the world.

    Then came word that the transplants could
    come from pigs, instead of human donors...

    So, what's new...? :-/

  27. Re:The Beeb got it wrong... this has been done bef by Guidii · · Score: 1
    Well, the BBC story only claims that this is the first patient cured in the UK. The article plainly states that the protocol has been used a number of times in Canada. Perhaps the poster should have given a better title to this submission....

    And while the Edmonton Protocol is exciting news for diabetics, it's somewhat premature to call this a cure. It requires two harvested pancreases for each transplant, and there were not a huge number of such donations available. I think there was something like 1,000 available in Canada annually, which wouldn't even come close to keeping up with the rate of new diagnoses.

    Of course there is room for improving the harvest rate for islet cells, and there's a great potential for bio-engineering them - perhaps with stem cells. So this protocol may eventually be useful for all diabetics - and not just the handful of cases that can currently get treated.

    There's also a significant question of the long-term effects of the anti-rejection drugs. Still, I'd be happy to risk it personally, if I'm ever given the chance... after 31 years on insulin, I'd be happy to trade to a new drug;)

    [Oh, and here are some clickable links that the parent post tried to submit: http://www.diabetes.org.uk/islets/trans/edmonton.h tm and http://www.ahfmr.ab.ca/publications/newsletter/Sum mer00/sum00/inside/diabetes.feat.htm]

  28. This is the Edmonton Protocol - not all that new by sglines · · Score: 1

    Doctors in Edmonton AB Canada developed this technique about 5 years ago. Islet cells (the ones that produce insulin) are removed from cadavers and transplanted into Type 1 diabetic's livers. Apparently islet cell antibodies won't attack "foreign" cells as aggressively in the liver but the patient still needs to take immune suppressant drugs. The down side to all this is that it takes the pancreases of about 5 cadavers to extract enough islets cells for one injection and a full treatment might take several injections. The solution to this is obviously stem cell research but you won't find this breakthrough research being conducted in the US or in any country dominated by the Roman Catholic Church.

  29. Re:This is the Edmonton Protocol - not all that ne by dhakbar · · Score: 1

    "The solution to this is obviously stem cell research but you won't find this breakthrough research being conducted in the US or in any country dominated by the Roman Catholic Church."

    Patently false. Stem cell research != fetal stem cell research.

    How many times is this ignorant misconception going to be thrown around on Slashdot before people learn to differentiate between the two?