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CeBIT 2005: SLI Shuttle Surfaces

Kez writes "You wouldn't think it could be done, but you can actually fit two high performance video cards into a Shuttle XPC and run them in SLI mode. Shuttle are being a bit coy about the whole affair, despite the fact that they have the system on show. As such, no internal photos are available, but HEXUS.net has a writeup explaining what's inside."

91 comments

  1. Another CeBIT story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not do a daily summary of multiple CeBIT stories?

    1. Re:Another CeBIT story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a drag it is getting old.

    2. Re:Another CeBIT story? by unts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      CeBIT is a HUGE event with an awful lot to cover. It's a chance for a lot of companies to showcase new hardware. There's bound to be a lot of CeBIT stuff both on Slashdot and the rest of the tech-geared web for the next few days.

    3. Re:Another CeBIT story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And? Summarize the highlights into one big posting each day rather than making every other story about some big new CeBIT development.

    4. Re:Another CeBIT story? by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 1

      Why not do a daily summary of multiple CeBIT stories? Because then there would be far less potential for duplicate /. stories about CeBIT, which just wouldn't be as fun.

    5. Re:Another CeBIT story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This isn't a CeBIT story. It's a hexus advertorial submitted by Steve Kerrison of hexus.

    6. Re:Another CeBIT story? by Dolda2000 · · Score: 2

      Well... why? Why should stories be posted together just because they all originated from CeBIT? They aren't even necessarily related topics. It's like saying "Another story from the US? Why not do a daily summary of multiple stories from the US?", isn't it?

    7. Re:Another CeBIT story? by sbryant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oddly enough, there hasn't been that much CeBit stuff on /. in comparison to what is actually going on there. I've read articles about some really cool stuff. If you can read German, there's good coverage on the German tech news site Heise.

      -- Steve

  2. Oh yea!?!? by FreeLinux · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Well, I have a Cirrus Logic 5401 VGA controller.

    I'll sell it to you but, it won't be cheap.

    1. Re:Oh yea!?!? by unts · · Score: 1

      Versus my S3 Virge... you will be crippled.

      Come to think of it, SLI S3 Virges would be a sight and a half!

    2. Re:Oh yea!?!? by karnal · · Score: 1

      It would be a sight and a half to see you attempt to cripple someone with only a video card.

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    3. Re:Oh yea!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would'nt be too hard to sharpen it and shove it into somone's spinal column...

    4. Re:Oh yea!?!? by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is I actually have both cards(well, chips) mentioned in this thread. Luckily I havn't had to use either in ages, but I do remember getting 15fps in tfc in software mode(no support for GL/DX), 320x240 or so.

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  3. Editing? by ian+rogers · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...Shuttle are being a bit coy about the whole affair, despite the fact that they have the syystem on show.

    Come on, I hate reading things with errors like those. A bit of proofreading would be nice.

    1. Re:Editing? by SiMac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shuttle are is correct if you're British. In UK English, collective nouns normally take a plural verb.

      On the other hand, "syystem" is only correct if you have a speech impediment.

    2. Re:Editing? by sH4RD · · Score: 1

      Not only that but this is just an ad for hexus.net, just like we had a few weeks ago. Notice who submitted the article?

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    3. Re:Editing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canned Slashdot Joke #5:

      You're new here, aren't you?

      (not to be confused with canned Slashdot editors, thank goodness someone saw the light and kicked Michael off)

    4. Re:Editing? by ian+rogers · · Score: 1

      That was definitely not a troll.

      This isn't a troll either, because I'm going to comment on the actual article.

      I don't see why anyone would spend the money on something like that. It's like buying a Mac Mini, and then buying a bunch of upgrades for it. If you're going to buy something like that, it makes more sense to get a bigger, well ventilated case, and not go with something that small.

    5. Re:Editing? by unts · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/about.shtml

      Contributors to this site may or may not have an interest in a company or product they are discussing. The decision to disclose that information is theirs to make. We do not guarantee the veracity, reliability or completeness of any information provided on our site or in any hyperlink appearing on our site.

      'Nuff said.

    6. Re:Editing? by unts · · Score: 1

      Ssorry.

    7. Re:Editing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard of bragging rights?
      "I fit 7 graphics cards, 4 cpus, 6 SATA RAID arrays of 500GB hds, and 20GB of RAM into a case the size of a CD case. Unfortunatley I can only run it in a freezer for .2 seconds before aving to restart, but in those .2 seconds, Doom3 gets 9999999fps!"
      It's not supposed to be practical...
      Besides, TFA said Shuttle believes that a two card SLI solution has a limited future and they are investigating viable alternatives.

    8. Re:Editing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey stupid, get it right, its
      "You must be new here",
      not "You're new here, aren't you"

    9. Re:Editing? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      And the editors claim they edit, nothing in the FAQ means a damn thing :)

    10. Re:Editing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UK English????

      You mean ENGLISH don't you.... there is no such thing as US English.

    11. Re:Editing? by Drakino · · Score: 1

      You seem to think bigger = well ventelated. I suppose that is true if you run with the case side off, but then again odds are that will make actual components run hotter with no directed airflow.

      Shuttle (and other SFF systems) have some of the most engineered cooling solutions in the industry, rivaling Apple. http://sfftech.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=563&pid=2138 has a good showing of how Shuttle normally cools their P series chassis. Instead of a few fast fans at the front, and a few fast ones at the back, they have thermal zones. The heat off the CPU never goes into the case, it is all blown out the side, and they do quite a bit to isolate it.

      An SLI capable SFF box means that yet again, someone can have the fastest gaming box at a LAN, and it didn't break their back carying in some monstrosity of a case that never actually sees the 8-10 PCI expansion slots on the back used.

    12. Re:Editing? by varag · · Score: 1

      But surely this is talking about the company, Shuttle, which is a singular entity. Hence the correct term would be "Shuttle is being ..."

  4. Overkill? by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 1

    Does anyone need 12,000 fps for Star Wars Republic Commando?

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    1. Re:Overkill? by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must be new here.

  5. If Only by leathered · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now if you can get that shhutle syystem to ruun in SLLI mode I would be most immpressed.

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  6. point? by spencer4554 · · Score: 1

    What is the point of this article? All I am interested in when I hear about 2 cards in SLI configuration is their performance, and this article does not mention the performance at all.
    Paul

    1. Re:point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SLI is not for performance benifit, it's currently e-penis extension you can buy.

  7. When you consider by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the Gigantahugeanormus selection of apps that get a benefit from SLI, it makes the price of a SLI system oh so much more reasonable.

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    1. Re:When you consider by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I think this shows a misunderstanding of what support means. That is the "supported" list, which I think is the slew of programs which they test against. I imagine that a lot more will work, but just because it isn't listed as supported doesn't mean it won't work.

    2. Re:When you consider by Mafiew · · Score: 3, Informative

      "unsupported" games may work but to try you have to make your own "application profile" if Nvidia has not released one. Basically all this involves is specifying which mode to use for specific programs.

      http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzExLDM=

      I'm sure its pretty annoying for the average gamer though, to edit some obscure file every time they want to play a new unprofiled game. But then again Nvidia fanboys who are crazy enough to spend 1200$ on a pair of video cards will doubtless have no problem with this.

    3. Re:When you consider by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      "But then again Nvidia fanboys who are crazy enough to spend 1200$ on a pair of video cards will doubtless have no problem with this."

      When you consider the fact that two 6600GTs are the same price as a 6800GT, and the SLI'd 6600GTs are 1.5 times faster than the 6800GT, you realise that SLI is a Good Thing.

      Price for two 6600GTs right now is between $500-600 CAD, far FAR off from your $1200 USD (I'm assuming) throwaway estimate.

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    4. Re:When you consider by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Most times the 6800GT is faster, and you have 256MB of RAM on the 6800GT versus 128MB effective RAM on 6600GT SLI. You have some games too where performance is up by only 5-10% (Far Cry in HDR rendering..)

    5. Re:When you consider by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      I would consider Far Cry to be a erroneous example, as it tends to do quite poorly in any nvidia benchmark. If you look at the numbers for Doom3 and Half-Life 2, you'll see that the performance is much better.

      Oh, and you can get 6600GTs with 256MB.

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  8. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this a week or so ago, and the first thing what wandered through my mind was not 'They are going to get sued' but 'So this is the OEM version of the Shuttle eh?'.

    There has been a lot of speculation that Apple never designed the Shuttle but bought it in from outside, guess we will find out if and when Apple sue over it.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by Synbiosis · · Score: 1

      RTA, this is about Shuttle small form factor PCs, not the iPod Shuffle / Super Shuffle MP3 fiasco.

  9. Space shuttles? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one who pictured two space shuttles taking off in tandem?

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  10. Isnt the point.. by yuriismaster · · Score: 1, Insightful

    of Small Form Factor computers to be light, portable , and functional (like a Mac Mini?)

    I'm not exactly dissing this card setup, but the price of one of these machines is starting to outweigh the weight and size of a standard form factor.

    When I first heard about SFF, the first thing I thought was media server. A light, portable, PVR. Its now turned into 'How much tech can I squeeze into the smallest space possible?'

    If we insist on such prick-waving, then please make sure the thing doesnt burn. That's the one thing all wo/men don't want.

    1. Re:Isnt the point.. by Walkiry · · Score: 1

      The point of any system is whatever the hell you want its point to be. You may look at the mac mini (not sure if that "link" was a joke or a pathetic attempt at the freemac spam crap) as the system you want. Someone else may like this shuttle to be able to carry their gaming system around more easily, like being able to take it to your friend's place for a LAN party yourself, instead of having to drive because it's too heavy to do so.

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    2. Re:Isnt the point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point of the Shuttle's form factor is to make a full-performance, no-comprimise gaming system as small as possible so you can haul it to a LAN Party. It's still pretty large.

      The point of the Mac Mini's form factor is to sell archaic laptop hardware to cheap desktop users :)

    3. Re:Isnt the point.. by (H)elix1 · · Score: 1

      of Small Form Factor computers to be light, portable , and functional (like a Mac Mini?)

      This is a power gaming box for lan parties. No question. All the beef of what most people have in a desktop tower in something you can carry with one hand. They are making enough room (and I assume cooling and power) for the latest greatest set of video cards in SLI configuration. The video cards alone cost more than a mini-mac, never mind the CPU and RAM. You don't need that for PVR's, surfing the web, or any home theater option. I'd wager the folks that would buy this are more interested in shoe horning a pair of raptors in RAID 0 configuration than a low voltage laptop hard drive.

      Even a spendy laptop for twice the money would not perform like you could make this chassis (properly equipped) do with off the shelf kit.

    4. Re:Isnt the point.. by rhizome · · Score: 1

      notwithstanding your "free bullshit" referral spam, i believe the point of small form factor PCs is to have a small form factor. as in size.

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    5. Re:Isnt the point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, If you stop and think about it for a second: What possible use could a semi-portable computer with state of the art graphics cards (2 of them) be useful for?

      This is a LAN party machine. Duh

      I don't know if the price/performance point is any good, but there must be some people out there with money to waste. But aparently it must be really bad for the company to be so not-exited about it. They must have built the machine as a test and decided it wasn't worth it.

      (And why does everyone talk about mac minis now? I mean, this is an article about shuttles, who have been making small machines since before mac minis were even denied by apple)

    6. Re:Isnt the point.. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I'd still prefer a laptop. Carrying around a laptop with a power block and separate mouse is more preferable to the SFF + monitor + mouse + keyboard + power cords.

    7. Re:Isnt the point.. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The point of Small Form Factor computers is to be small. Hence the word "Small" in the name. The rest is up to you.

    8. Re:Isnt the point.. by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      It isn't so much about weight as size. I can move a 50lb dumbell fairly easily; a 50lb computer case no so much.

      My SFF has tons of crap in it. It weighs as much as my Lian-Li mid-tower case. But If I haul the tower to a LAN party, I really appretiate the SFF.

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    9. Re:Isnt the point.. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      no. the point of it is to be small.

      lightness isn't that much of an issue for most people. deskspace and easy to take to lans.

      besides it looks like it's the normal shuttle size, just extra space inside for the second card.

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    10. Re:Isnt the point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..and you're going to find a laptop with sli support where?

  11. That is great! by episodic · · Score: 1

    This is great! Now due to me getting fired for gaming all the time, I can still game in the efficiency apartment that I can barely afford while working part time at my local fast food joint! Kudos to going smaller and smaller as my income falls!

  12. Power by teoryn · · Score: 1

    Don't SFF cases usually have weak psu's, and don't high end video cards consume lots of power? Doesn't seem like a good match to me.

    1. Re:Power by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I don't think Shuttle would be dumb enough to produce a product with a PSU that isn't up to its intended task. If the intended task is to run two video cards, then it would probably have a higher rated power supply. Power supply requirements of video cards have been overstated in the past, but I don't think it will be a problem.

    2. Re:Power by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      You'd be suprised how noticable the power drain can be. My teammate got a nice highend ATI workstation card (FireGL I believe) and of course used it to play counterstrike with us. The problem was if someone threw a smoke grenade, the extra gpu cycles would push his UPS too far and cause it to give a warning beep. Yes, Throwing smokes at him while he tried to talk was as fun as you'd imagine.

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  13. Makes sense by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It makes sense. Existing XPCs already have two slots; one PCI slot and one AGP/PCIe slot.

    It looks like all they've done is replaced the PCI slot with a second PCIe slot, and put in a shorter SLI bridge between them. The only actual difficulty in this setup would be cooling, which I'm sure Shuttle will solve considering their expertise with SFF cooling.

    I think the article is misquoting though. The slots themselves are probably not spaced half the distance together. It's just that SLI solutions normally require the space of 3 slots, and they're doing it in the space of 2.

    1. Re:Makes sense by FuturePastNow · · Score: 1

      I imagine power would also be a problem. Dual video cards and everything else would need, what, 500 watts? Those are some tiny power supplies in SFF computers.

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    2. Re:Makes sense by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. The reason such powerful power supplies are required in PCs is often because of the quality; manufacturers often either measure power output at room temperature (Not the 40 or 50 degrees that they actually heat up to), or they sometimes lie outright.

      The original shuttle XPCs had a 240 watt power supply, and yet were able to handle the fastest P4s and the best videocards available.

      I would imagine they might be able to get away with a 350w power supply, which they already have in their XPCs. At worst they'd have to stretch it to 400w.

    3. Re:Makes sense by LordoftheFrings · · Score: 1

      This is quite possibly the stupidest shit I've ever read. The reason powerful power supplies are required is not because "of the quality" (you never specify why, you just claim this). A fast video card and CPU are hardly things that warrant lots of power use. Fast hard drives and optical drives are. Idiot.

    4. Re:Makes sense by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      The cheap $10 power supplies are crap. For one thing, the manufacturers measure their power output at room temperature, not at operating temperature. As a result, a budget-bin 350W PSU might only put out 200W. The makers of higher quality PSUs measure power output at close to average operating temperatures.

      And then of course there is actual quality. Cheap PSUs have cheap components, and not very many of them. There is a reason why you can tell the quality of a power supply by it's weight.

      So, the reason people need huge power supplies for their desktops is often because they buy cheap power supplies, which aren't producing nearly as much power as they claim. However Shuttle's 240w PSU very likely puts out close to 240w of usable power.

      As for optical drives and fast hard drives using more power than CPUs and video cards, I think you need to have a look at the power usages of modern videocards and processors. The newest prescott P4 uses what, 95w? More? And the newest fastest videocards use very nearly that much. Optical drives and hard drives use a fraction of that.

  14. Cooling? by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

    Seems to me that with ~two~ high end cards like 6800GTs, cooling would be even more of an issue. What are they doing to deal with the extra heat?

    1. Re:Cooling? by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Funny

      Seems to me that with ~two~ high end cards like 6800GTs, cooling would be even more of an issue. What are they doing to deal with the extra heat?

      Marketing it as the smallest, most powerful, space heater that money can buy?

  15. Ignoring the larger story. by joey_knisch · · Score: 1

    The real story here is Shuttle perfecting the folding of space-time.

  16. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1

    I deeply enjoy my Shuttle SB65G2, it works reasonably well w/ a P4 and an ATI FireGL X1, but lately I'm more interested in dual CPU systems over dual video cards.

    I don't suppose anyone knows if Shuttle is planning a dual Opteron system or something similar?

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    1. Re:zerg by jackbird · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes. But not from Shuttle.

      clicky

  17. wowee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wowee!!! Now I can play Lesuire Suit Larry at three kajilliongillionmumelillion frames per second!!

  18. Already done. by dago · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Look at this product range from a well-known manufacturer. They already have that.

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    1. Re:Already done. by bjoeg · · Score: 1

      Huh, link to Whirlpool Ovens.

    2. Re:Already done. by Afrosheen · · Score: 0

      Hmm..a guy named Dago (an insult to italians) posting a link to an italian search engine result, completely irrelevant to anything geeks care about, let alone the topic.

      Slashdotters, please, continue to amaze me.

    3. Re:Already done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you click on it? yep.it is a URL redirection tool. He just wanted to hide that he was linking to Whirlpool's website in an attempt to be funny.

  19. Re:Space shuttles? HAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yes, the rest of us pictured two space shuttles surfacing in tandem and that you should definitely not consider quitting your day job to become a comedian. kthxbye.

  20. +5 funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and nobody gets it :(

    1. Re:+5 funny by dago · · Score: 1

      ... and that [nobody gets it] makes it even more funny :)

      Gosh, I wonder out of the 300+ viewers, how many people noticed that this was a sub-selection of dual ovens ...

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  21. in other news by sirshannon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    you can squeeze 2 of the letter "y" into the word "system"

  22. nVidia in space by boingyzain · · Score: 0

    Cool, now all our astronauts can play games at blazing fast speeds while ascending through the stratosphere.

  23. Why not a daughter card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From my understanding, all the video out still comes from one primary card, so rather than wasting rear-case space with a second card, why not make a daughtercard for SLI? It would put off less heat and be a smaller card without the circuitry and plugs to plug in a monitor.

  24. Shuttle or Mini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What to buy? This is now the question :\

  25. free mac mini troll, mod down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though he apparently messed up the link.

  26. Re:mod parent down, spammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you fucking moron

  27. Seems kindof silly by Mantus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only do SFF computers have weaker power supplies, they are SMALL.
    The GeForce 6800 Ultra cards afaik all take up 2 slots (one connector, double wide though).
    And from benchmarks I've seen using two 6800 non-ultras doesn't equal the performance of a single 6800 Ultra. Plus the system would have to have some crazy cooling going on and would likely be very loud. The only way I see this being reasonable is if they use a internal power supply + an external.

    1. Re:Seems kindof silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, heat and underpowered power supplies are a shortcoming of Shuttles and other SFF computers. Why people who wouldn't think twice about putting a 450 watter PS in their tower suddenly think a 200 watt (peak) PS in a SFF case can do the job is beyond me. And Shuttle? Pfft! - That's the sound of capacitors frying on your mainboard.

    2. Re:Seems kindof silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shuttle PSU's are far more efficient than those 600 watt power supplies people sell for desktop systems. My 240 watt silentX psu in my shuttle systems chugs along fine with a GeForce 6800GT whereas my 500 watt antec PSU blew when I tried putting the same setup in there. The fact of the matter is, graphics card companies overstate their wattage requirements because they need to account for companies who have bad efficiency on their power supplies.

    3. Re:Seems kindof silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 240 watt silentX psu in my shuttle systems chugs along fine with a GeForce 6800GT whereas my 500 watt antec PSU blew when I tried putting the same setup in there.

      Okay, put down the crack pipe. Antec is one of the better manufacturers of consumer PSUs out there. Either you got a bad unit, introduced fine metal shavings into the PSU, or when you ordered your "Antec" power supply, you accidentally clicked on the "Artec" ultra-cheap knockoff name.

  28. Re:All hell has broken loose at OSNews! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for posting that ;)

  29. Re:mod parent down, spammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you apparently don't get the joke.