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Google Goes to Answers.com

tod_miller writes "Google has changed its definitions link from dictionary.com to answers.com. A google search for juxtaposition shows the effect. What is interesting is that answers.com pulls information from wikipedia.org, which was provided bandwidth by google.com [and now Google is providing a service that will be used worldwide to pull information off Wikipedia]. Aside from having both a dictionary.com and a wikipedia.org search box in FireFox (as well as Google) the definition link on Google is still useful and I regularly check it for obscure uses or exact definitions of words. Now it uses answers.com we do not get all the different forms of the word, but we do get any medical or wikipedic information. Interestingly, answers.com does not use Google AdSense, but commission junction that looks like it. There is no announcement yet from Google of their change." This change took place several weeks ago, as players of e-scrabble and other compulsive word-checkers might have noticed. Update: 03/13 23:20 GMT by T : (Also mentioned in passing last month.) Update: 03/14 02:13 GMT by T : Brion Vibber writes: "Google does *not* provide any bandwidth to Wikipedia at this time, except in the sense that they 'use up' our bandwidth when people using their search engine come to our site. ;)"

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  1. Dupe by Paul+McMahon · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Dupe by stoborrobots · · Score: 2, Funny

      It may be a dupe, but neither the original article, nor the current one has a comment about the Answers.com definition of slashdot. I've had that in my sig for over a month (and I missed the previous article) but I was amused at the 'slashdot == chip and dip' response I got...

  2. I like answers.com by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, I would still like to see definitions of the word. I found that quite useful. Perhaps they should also pull from Wiktionary?

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    1. Re:I like answers.com by dirvish · · Score: 3, Interesting

      answers.com has a much cleaner interface than dictionary.com I still prefer webster.com though.

    2. Re:I like answers.com by B'Trey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It might be a cleaner interface but it doesn't seem to be near as comprehensive. For example, I looked up the word "roynish" earlier today. Google drew a blank. Dictionary.com had it. This isn't the first time this has happened, although I don't recall the other words off the top of my head.

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    3. Re:I like answers.com by dirvish · · Score: 2, Funny

      webster.com seems to have everything I search for. I go there instead of google if I need to check the spelling of a word real quick; it has decent word suggestion if I don't guess the spelling correctly.

    4. Re:I like answers.com by jeffphil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >> answers.com has a much cleaner interface than dictionary.com

      Yep, just changed my longtime Mozilla d keyword.

  3. And Slashdot Too! by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Slashdot posted this over a month ago. A simple search for answers.com would reveal that.

    That said, this is definitely a good thing. Dictionary.com is fine and all, but answers.com provides a lot more information for most words. It'll be interesting what happens once Google links to even more Wikipedia content. I think it'll become a little more well known and more used as a result. Most non-Slashdot crowd still haven't heard of Wikipedia. Perhaps being linked prominently from Google would change that.

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    1. Re:And Slashdot Too! by pHatidic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wikipedia is already the 69th most popular website in the english website according to alexa.com, how much more mainstream can you get?

    2. Re:And Slashdot Too! by redink1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Makes sense for now, but how long before it becomes recognized and accepted as just as valid as today's peer-review academic publishing?

      Never, just like encyclopedias have never been a viable source for research content. And while Wikipedia has some advantages over Brittanica and such, it is still an elaborate form of encyclopedia, covering a wide bredth of topics with varying degrees of depth.

    3. Re:And Slashdot Too! by kiltedtaco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hopefully never.

      Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed in the classical sense. It is not a replacement for peer-reviewed research. It is not a replacement for primary sources or anything else. It is a replacement for the encyclopedia. Do you trust encyclopaedia britanica as much as academic journals? I hope not.

      If you're conducting serious research, you are definitly not going to be using an encyclopaedia beyond the first 5 minutes. Wikipedia won't change that. It's good if you just want a quick overview of a subject or a what books an author wrote or something, but it's not a replacement for actual research.

    4. Re:And Slashdot Too! by ckemp.org · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Granted, it could never be viable as a research source as it stands today (that is, as you said: nothing more than an encyclopedia). What I suppose I was more so aiming for, however, is the acceptability of the concept of Wiki. Applied to the academic setting as a source of common knowledge continually reviewed by people who do know what they're talking about (that is, the academics themselves), it could become something much more powerful.

      I guess, though, that you could then say it would look a lot like the current academic standard. The difference, though, is availability: academic research linked and assembled in such a manner that 1) the uninitiated could easily move from top-level encyclopedia entries towards deeper and more current knowledge and 2) academics would have an easier (but no less demanding or scrutinizing) way of bringing their work to the open.

    5. Re:And Slashdot Too! by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 3, Funny

      No kidding. Want a laugh? If you've got some hours to spare, read this page, which even includes a poll to determine how to conclude the other poll. Any satire would be too easy.

    6. Re:And Slashdot Too! by sydb · · Score: 4, Funny

      68 places more popular. That's how much more mainstream you can get.

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    7. Re:And Slashdot Too! by sootman · · Score: 2

      "That said, this is definitely a good thing. "Dictionary.com is fine and all, but answers.com provides a lot more information for most words"

      Quantity is not always good. I noticed this right away and wrote to Google after my first couple trips there. They made some changes, I thought, but all the crappy bloat is back--translations in 14 languages, and pictures. Fuck! Shit takes for-fucking-ever to load compared to the nice, light, simple dictionary.com pages. I do *not* need all this crap 99 times out of 100.

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    8. Re:And Slashdot Too! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is why we have a page describing how polls are evil.

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    9. Re:And Slashdot Too! by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know a titanic joke, but it's too big to post here.

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  4. Maybe it will help improve wictionary by Skippy_kangaroo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, Wikipedia is not ready for the big time. The definitions they have for many words are pretty inadequate. Greater scrutiny and the juxtaposition of a 'real' dictionary with the wiki version should highlight the glaring deficiencies. But really - what is wiki's presence in the definitions list going to provide? Certainly nothing authoritative or expert or even accurate?

    1. Re:Maybe it will help improve wictionary by Buzzard2501 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Well, Wikipedia certainly does a better job of describing juxtaposition that Dictionary.com

      Dictionary.com
      The act or an instance of juxtaposing or the state of being juxtaposed.
      Wikipedia
      Generally, juxtaposition, or contrasting is an act or instance of placing two things close together or side by side, in order to show unlikeness or differences, to note the opposite qualities of the two, etc.

      In music it is an abrupt change of elements.

      In film the position of shots next to one another is intended to create meaning within the audiences mind.

      In literature it occurs when two images that are otherwise not commonly brought together appear side by side or structural close together - thereby creating the reader to stop and reconsider the meaning of the text through the contrasting images/ideas/motifs.

      Modernist poetry played extensivley with juxtaposing images, inserting unrelated fragments togther in order to create wonder and interest in readers.

      Which would you prefer?
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  5. Wikipedia information incorrect by A.+Brate · · Score: 5, Informative

    You might want to correct the false statement that Google is providing hosting services to Wikipedia. Google has made such a proposal only.

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    1. Re:Wikipedia information incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks for pointing this out. For people who are interested, see the following link:

      http://www.google.com/search?q=google+wikipedia+ba ndwidth

    2. Re:Wikipedia information incorrect by brion · · Score: 3, Funny

      Since I suspect the mods don't actually read comments ;) I've e-mailed Timothy to this effect.

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    3. Re:Wikipedia information incorrect by Wordsmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too bad we don't have a user-review process to correct that sort of thing. I wonder where we could find a model for one?

  6. How much is google funding? by aixou · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone find it a bit disconcerting that answers.com gets ad revenue for wikipedia's content. Exactly how much is google funding wikipedia? IMO, they should fund the entire operation considering how much money they (and answers.com) must be making off the content. Think of how much traffic google must generate to the "definition" link in each search.

    1. Re:How much is google funding? by shark72 · · Score: 2

      "Does anyone find it a bit disconcerting that answers.com gets ad revenue for wikipedia's content. Exactly how much is google funding wikipedia?"

      I don't. If wikipedia.org wants to start making a little money, then God bless 'em. Wanting to cover costs, or even to make some profit, != being evil.

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    2. Re:How much is google funding? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Does anyone find it a bit disconcerting that answers.com gets ad revenue for wikipedia's content.
      They're one of many. Wikipedia content is licensed under the GFDL, which means anybody can use Wikipedia content to create their own online reference. There are many of these, but Answers.com is the only one I've seen that isn't a complete joke. In fact, Answers.com has a lot more to it than just reformatted Wikipedia entries, as you'll soon see if you browse their site.
  7. No announcement by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 4, Informative
    There is no announcement yet from Google of their change.
    No there isn't, and I don't see any reason why they need to make one. However Marissa Meyer, Product Manager for Google explains the switch to answers.com:
    This decision was driven off of concern for our user experience. We are not paying answers.com for this service nor are they paying us. They were willing to work with us and design a website that we felt represented an improvement for our users over what was offered on dictionary.com (no pop-ups, dense information presentation).
  8. Google & Answers.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They will put their ads on Answers.com page. They probably couldn't do this with Wikipedia or the license forbids it.

    Watch and see.

  9. Bugs in Wikimedia projects by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course there are bugs in the content of Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and the other Wikimedia Foundation projects. But then there are also bugs in Britannica and bugs in Webster's. No reference is bug-free[1].

    [1] The faithful allege that Handbook for the Human Soul is perfect, but even there, translations from the original ancient Greek and Hebrew can be dodgy.

    1. Re:Bugs in Wikimedia projects by bayvult · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And we know why. Wikipedia is much more of an ideological crusade than it is a serious reference work.

      Its advocates desperately need to prove that amateurs can do just as good a job as experts who really know what they're talking about - or editors who can write a readable entry. 'Cos it's Emergent, dude!

      As the co-founder of the project wrote, Wikipedia needs to embrace real experts.

      I can't see Wikipedia escaping from this death-spiral because of the fundamental philosophical error - that you can vote for the truth. Even Wikipedia has an entry for this ;-)

      The much deeper problem is the backlash. Kid goes to Google, finds a garbage Wikipedia entry, fucks up. It would have been nice to have some real quality information on the internet, while it lasted.

    2. Re:Bugs in Wikimedia projects by Dryth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I frequently use Wikipedia. I also frequently use Britannica.

      Wikipedia is the only encyclopedia where a "bug" has resulted in me being told to "eat shit and die" by a current event listing.

      I love Wikipedia, but it's in an entirely different league. As wonderful a resource as it is, it embodies the very principles that have my professors telling me that all Internet citations are unacceptable.

      Imagine if Britannica devoted the resources to extensively tracking Wikipedia errors, then claiming corrections against them. ;)

    3. Re:Bugs in Wikimedia projects by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In general, I use it (like any encyclopedia) as a good "starting source," i.e. a place to get basic background information to start real research.

      So.... One of the real issues is that you have a strong issue in encyclopedias of scholarly fads. So no encyclopedia should be assumed to be an authority on anything. It is a jack-of-all-topics-master-of-none sort of issue.

      Interestingly when my father in law fell ill, I was able to use wikipedia to get good information regarding his (rare) illness (an autoimmune disorder called ITP). It was not my only reference, but it was the clearest and most concise one I could find.

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  10. Artical unclear... by Paralizer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I never noticed this feature before, so when I read the post I had no idea what it was talking about, other than something google was doing had changed from linking to dictionary.com to answers.com.

    For those of you wondering the same thing, since the post didn't really discuss where the feature is located, if you google query for "juxtaposition" (or any other word), at the top right portion of the results page there is a little information about how long the query took:
    Results 1 - 10 of about 887,000 for juxtaposition [definition]. (0.10 seconds)
    [definition] is the link which the post is referring to, it links to answers.com with the definition of the word.
  11. Good change by SteelV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm happy about this change, when I noticed it a couple weeks ago. Dictionary.com is good, but all it only offers definitions. If I wanted those, I could use the google parameter define:WORD. Answers gives a great deal more information. Almost everything I want can be found there -- and to think, I didn't even know about it before google started using it (although I did know about wikipedia).

    It's also not as annoying, ad-wise, as dictionary.com.

    It'd be nice for google to make their own answers.com type site. Not sure if they will though.

    1. Re:Good change by SteelV · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think you got what define:WORD is. It's not the linked words after you do a search. It's a google parameter such as movies:, doing define:WORD will give the definition of the word from many online resources, not any one. I use it all the time.

  12. compulsive word-checker by Eminence · · Score: 2, Funny

    Compulsive word-checkers? Hey, that's nice. I must check it out. Now!

  13. Re:C'mon slashdot! by TekMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean editors. Poor editing on my part :S.

  14. Astroturfing by KidSock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now people will be astrotrufing Wikipedia with sales pitches for their products. Not that that is necessarily bad but the content will tend toward not being less concise. It could become more of a junkpile of stuff like the web is now as opposed to the well defined concise descriptions that they have now. Perhaps some form of moderation should be applied.

  15. Re:display by wodgy7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's Trebuchet MS. It is a very nice typeface, especially for on-screen use because of its large x-height. For some reason it suffers a bit of horizontal optical compression when viewed with ClearType on an XP machine. It looks particularly nice on MacOS X.

  16. The missing Google news by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is actually the interesting part of the article:

    answers.com does not use Google AdSense

    It would seem a natural for them to do it, given all the traffic they get from Google... seems like a no-brainer, really.

    What Slashdot hasn't covered about Google is Yahoo!'s answer to AdSense. Technically, it's Yahoo! news, but it could materially affect Google's profits...

    Eric
    1. Re:The missing Google news by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the idiot explanation works best. Look at the source for one of the definition pages, you'll see the JavaScript code for an AdSense ad block near the bottom:

      <script language="JavaScript">
      <!--
      google_ad_client = 'ca-gurunet_120x600';
      google_ad_width = 120;
      google_ad_height = 600;
      google_ad_format = '120x600_sln';
      google_safe = 'high';
      google_alternate_ad_url = 'http://www.answers.com/main/default_ad.html';
      google_encoding = 'utf8';
      google_contents = 'paradigm';
      google_color_bg = 'ffffff';
      google_color_text='000000';
      google_color_link='003399';
      google_color_url='529C00';
      google_color_border='003399';
      // -->
      </script>
      <script language="JavaScript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/s how_ads.js"></script>

      Now, there could be one explanation. For pages where AdSense can't find matching ads, Google lets publishers display alternate ads. However, the way AdSense does the ad matching takes the context of the entire website into account (see the AdSense patent application) and so it seems unlikely to me that there will be no definitions without ads shown. I did some testing with obscure terms and I always got at least one ad on every page.

      Eric
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  17. Problems with Wikis... by still_sick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first time I had ever used Wikipedia was when Hunter S Thompson died.

    Upon going to his page, and reading it thoroughly, I was treated to the little known fact that "he was a big supporter of child-pornography".

    This of course came as a shock to me - so I started trying to find ANY coroborating evidence elsewhere.

    Of course there was none, and within a few minutes the Wiki page was corrected of the stupiditiy.

    With this, I have very little faith in the reliability of Wiki pages. Sure, I happened to know enough about HTS to realize that that statement was probably false, and knew enough to double-check it. But what if I didn't? What about the other X thousand people who read the page at that time, and never bothered refreshing?

    This IS a fundamental problem with Wikis.

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    1. Re:Problems with Wikis... by BoldAndBusted · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or, perhaps, it is not so sumple. Perhaps it is more a problem of education. Had you known that proper wiki-based research should include not only viewing the articles on the topics you seek, but also a glance at the recent history of the page, and the Talk pages, to see how many "eyeballs" have seen the page, and if there are any recent questionable edits. Unlike a book encyclopedia, a Wiki is a two-way medium, and you can't ignore that fact and try to treat it like other one-way media.

    2. Re:Problems with Wikis... by Donny+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >Had you known that proper wiki-based research should include not only viewing the articles on the topics you seek, but also a glance at the recent history of the page, and the Talk pages, to see how many "eyeballs" have seen the page, and if there are any recent questionable edits.

      Pleeeeze! It's like telling people that proper Linux use includes viewing source code, fiddling kernel recompiles and checking recent diffs in the CVS tree.

      If that's the way to use Wikipedia, then I'd rather do my own Google search on the term and check several trustworthy sources (usually a 3:2:1 mixture of commercial, academic and personal sites).
      Soon a day will come when there will be a site that will automate this and show stuff on-the-fly (similar to Google News) instead of relying on the hopeless method of using actual people to copy and rewrite content as Wikipedia does.

    3. Re:Problems with Wikis... by CyberDave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Supposedly it only takes an average of 4 minutes for a WikiPedia vandalism to get corrected, pretty much regardless of the popularity of the article. I find that pretty impressive.

    4. Re:Problems with Wikis... by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jimmy Wales (who started Wikipedia) has asked really nicely for a feature where anonymous edits don't show up for ten minutes to anonymous viewers (logged-in editors' changes would show up immediately, logged-in editors would always see the current version). Unfortunately the devs say it would be a nightmare to program, but it's obviously desirable and people are thinking seriously about how to do it.

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  18. Don't go there. by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go here:

    www.onelook.com

    All the dictionaries that matter*.

    * - except the OED, which believes more in money than in the free flow of information

  19. It's also free by rm999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I recall reading (I don't remember where), one of the reasons for the switch was because answers.com is free ie. you can access everything without paying for "premium" services. For example, answers.com has a pronounciation feature for free, whereas dictionary.com charges for it. Don't know how true this is because I lost my source.

  20. Re:Stubs by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And what about the featured article removal candidates? The existence of these would seem to indicate that the quality of articles, over time, tends not towards brilliance, but mediocrity.

    In the past, I've vastly improved articles in the 'pedia (earning much praise in the process, so "improvement" isn't just my ego speaking) and returned to them after many months, only to find them unreadably disorganized or studded dangerously with errors. To me, this asymptotic approach to shitsville is even more damning than the fact that featured articles don't usually remain so for long.

  21. answers.com misses an edit link by Eloquence · · Score: 4, Informative
    While answers.com is a fully compliant Wikipedia mirror in terms of respecting the requirements of the GNU Free Documentation License, it would be very nice and beneficial for both answers.com and Wikipedia if they could provide a prominent direct link to edit the Wikipedia article. Wikipedia can only work if people keep editing and improving its content, and that effect is lost on read-only mirrors. I have sent that suggestion to GuruNet (the company operating answers.com), and here's what I got back:
    That's a very good idea, Erik, and one that we even discussed with Jimmy Wales when he visited our offices earlier this year. We're still working out how the Answers.com Wikipedia relationship is going to work, but I would not at all be surprised to see something like what you suggest down the road.
    So, hopefully they will add an edit link soon. It is also notable that GuruNet has expressed an interest in supporting Wikimedia in various ways (the specifics are not public at this point).
  22. Re:Wikipedia by compm375 · · Score: 3, Informative

    answers.com pulls the information from multiple places, one of which is Wikipedia.

  23. A much more cleaner alternative that I use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative


    Dictionary: http://www.elook.org/dictionary/

    Thesuarus: http://www.elook.org/thesaurus/

    And FOLDOC: http://www.elook.org/computing/

    No ads, lightning fast results. Found a link to it at my compsci course website.

  24. Re:Stubs by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not necessarily. It is possible, however it doesn't tend to happen. One thing is that the articles have remained of high quality but our selection criteria has become tougher. During the "brilliant prose" days we had some articles that were pretty good (see for instance triangle, however we recently removed this - not because it got worse, but because had it been submitted to FAC today it would not get through.

    Incidently, I'm always glad to see someone who helps improve articles, and so I thank you for doing this. That's why I've added my baseline experiment: we can refer people to the "baseline", which people can't modify. As with any wiki, errors and disorganisation can occur. I've seen it myself.

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  25. Re:Rather's new job by Brad+Jashinsky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Guess the mods didn't like the Rather joke, but to call me a troll when I made an informative statement. I mean go to Answers.com and you will see they use Google Ads.

  26. Firefox Search Plugin by superyooser · · Score: 2, Informative
  27. Violation of license of content of the wikipedia by dgerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Answers.com is violating the license in which some content (particularly photographs) are included in the wikipedia. For instance, the I gave a license to the following image Lemonade to the Wikipedia, under the Creative Commons share alike license. It is used in the article Lemonade.

    This image is reproduced in answers.com: lemonade without any mention of the author (me). That is against the license I placed on the image. It is linked from the article Lemonade.

  28. Geniuses at Google by christowang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wasn't Google invented as a tool to search through books?

    Why don't they just add 1 book called the dictionary to their own site to solve the problem?

  29. A change for the worse by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Informative
    A music acquaintance of mine was asking about the meaning of the notational ten. used in a piece of music. Looking in dictionary.com, I found the musical definition easily as an abbreviation of the term tenuto: So as to be held for the full time value; sustained. Used chiefly as a directionI also found about twenty other definitions.

    I looked in answers.com under ten and found a lot of stuff about ten but only about six definitions - most of them widely known already and dealing with ten as a number.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I use a dictionary as that - a dictionary - a place to get definitions and usage for words, and the more (and the more unusual) definitions, the better.

    In my opinion, the information from answers.com has more vebose information with respect to basic definitions, translations, etc., as well as a lot of eye candy, but has much less depth lexicographically. It doesn't seem as useful qua dictionary as dictionary.com was.

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  30. Thanks for your report. Your image removed. by Jamesday · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Thanks for your report of a copyright infringment. I've removed the image you uploaded from the en.wikipedia.org Lemonade article, so it'll gradually be removed from all reusers. For the benefit of readers here, here is a copy of the note I just placed on the talk page of the uploader:

    A person claiming to be you [http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=142358&cid=11 929566] mentioned on Slashdot.org that you believed that the image [[:Image:Limonadedmg.jpg]] was not licensed with the GFDL but only with the CC-SA license. As the Slashdot post illustrated, that makes life difficult for reusers, who can't expect that the GFDL license will be sufficient. To avoid this, the upload agreement makes all uploads by the creator GFDL licensesd ''in addition to'' any other licenses the uploader may wish to grant.

    Please either confirm that you are willing to grant a GFDL license or, at your option, either list it for deletion (wrong license) or let me know so that I can do so. We've no interest at all in compelling you to license it in a way contrary to your wishes but are trying to maintain some consistency for reusers.

    The Commons project does accept a broader range of images and you may wish to consider placing it there instead if you don't wish to grant a GFDL license but do still want to make it available for others to use.

    You should also consider that your work is arguably a derivative work of the tent design, the logo on the tent and the design of the lemonade squeezer. For that reason, while you may be releasing your portion of the work under one license, you may be making fair use of the work of others, making the combined work fair use. Fair use is not accepted at Commons. It is accepted at en.wikipedia.org but that would require the GFDL license in addition to any others.

    Thanks for your assistance in resolving the licensing misunderstanding.

    A comparable response should be expected for any similar situations.

    1. Re:Thanks for your report. Your image removed. by dgerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      James,

      Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. You raise very interesting issues, and at the core, in my opinion, is the issue of credit to the author. I checked the GFDL and it seems to imply that the user of the content should give credit to the author of the work. The wikipedia does this very well by allowing is to check the history of a document or an image.

      But answers.com does not do it at all. They copy the content without giving any indication of who the author is. I would believe that this is contradictory to the spirit of the GFDL.

      I agree with you that there is a potential issue of the value of this image as derivative work. But I have other images in the wikipedia that do not have this problem (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Straig_of_georg ia.jpg).

      Answers.com is giving credit to the Wikipedia, but no the original creator.

      What is your opinion?

  31. Delayed edit visibility by Jamesday · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The key problem with that simple version of the proposed feature is a fundamental design flaw: it can't achieve its design objective because new accounts are easy to create and can do the same thing.

    Expected reaction: use of new throwaway accounts and loss of the useful anon editor indicator which currently makes it easier to handle vandalism.

    Likely consequence: it'll probably make it harder to identify and deal with problems because more of them will be concealed behind throwaway accounts.

    Lots of solutions look easy at first, until you think how people will react to them. Then you have to design for that expected reaction. And ideally for a few levels of counter-reaction and reaction beyond that. Some form of delayed visibility is likely to be useful but confining it to only anonymous edits is likely not to be a good approach.