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The Continuing Hunt for PATRIOT Act Abuses
Throtex writes "Orin Kerr, Associate Professor of Law at George Washington University writes at The Volokh Conspiracy that the Department of Justice is having trouble finding abuses of the USA PATRIOT Act. This follows from the fact that what the media originally aired as abuses were merely allegations of abuse at the time. Could it be that there has just been a lot of fuss over nothing?"
It's sad that you actually think that Guantanamo Bay has anything to do with the Patriot Act.
What is it like to go through life so clueless and uninformed?
Hell, the people being held there had been kept against their will under US jurisdiction for so long some of them could probably soon become US citizens.
It's disgusting that a so-called "war on terrorism/war for freedom" is being fought by the very country that is ignoring basic human rights and basic international conventions itself. The US government is on record as saying that even if prisoners (let's cut out all this "detainees" crap) held at Camp X-Ray are found not guilty of any crimes that they are brought up on in US military courts (where they have no say in their legal representation) that there is a high likelyhood that they will still won't be let free.
Saddam Hussein pulls this kind of shit and he's the devil himself. The US proudly does it in full view of the world and it's somehow OK? Talk about hypocrisy and double standards.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
I don't know which is sicker...
Bush detaining whoever he wants with his Act.
Or
The American people voting him in a second term to allow him to detain whoever he wants some more.
It's amazing to me how little attention this situation gets... what's more, it's amazing at how few people in the U.S. actually care about it.
Frankly, I think the biggest problem with the average people in the U.S. is that *we* have no sense of reality and certainly lacking, if no, sense empathy.
And the defense that "...it's not illegal..." is the one that probably does the most damage to our moral and legal systems at large.
p.s. what about the civilians down there you stupid bastard.
This kind of mentality really breaks my little heart. Knee-jerk?
Dude, you live in a police state. You don't care. Why is that?
Just because I haven't acquiesed to the idea of living in a police state doesn't make me reactionary. I'm not off to Canada - yet - but America is just not right in the head anymore.
I Want To Believe
> that or get a copy that isn't abridged with the liberal perspective.
You people make me fucking sick.
In another news: Inthestigation by Korean People Democratic Republic Security Service found all reported human right abuses were merely allegations of abuse. In fact it was all triator's capitalist's running dogs conspiracy. Alleged conspirators executed.
I am very tired of this USA bashing. The idea that American intelligence agents, interrogators and Special Operation forces are outside of the Geneva Convention is just what you euro hippies want.
I for one will not forgo the ability of our brave men and women to wear the native dress as they comb the mountains of Pakistan. You God hating America bashers would want our boys to wear a target on their backs saying "bin laden shoot here."
You liberal hippy pot smokers would nit pick the Geneva Convention to death if only to prevent Arab American Heros from infiltrating the resistance. How can you be a spy if you are forced to carry a gun and wear a uniform.
I think your last point really reveals your true intention. You want world governments and courts with the USA's hands of Freedom chained to the wall of the UN. But no amount of stress positions, beatings or sexual humiliation from you "One World Order" commies will prevent US from our destiny.
Go back to Cuba, Fidel. Fucking eurotrash.
They are terrorists.
...ah, I see where I went wrong there. I forgot to subscribe to your wonderful, down-home, american-as-apple-pie, if-you're-not-with-us-you're-a-terrist mentality.
Alleged terrorists. They're innocent until proven guilty, they have a right to a lawyer, they have a...
I'll get me coat.
If they are Muslim, then I do not consider them American. Why protect religious fundies? Muslims are either terrorists or they agree with terror but lack the balls to act.
Waste 'em and waste anyone who disagrees with wasting them.
"The person was obviously already apprehended, so it's a pretty dumb argument"
And prisoners don't get out? Who are you to talk to me about "dumb arguments" when that's the best you can come up with.
"The statistics are the reality"
You're kidding right? I'll give you a free pass to take that one back.
My point, which you are missing because you're too fucking busy with your talkign points, is that is IS a deterrent to ONE criminal. The one that get's executed. There is no counter argument, no refutation, so stop trying. DEAD PEOPLE DON"T COMMIT CRIMES. Just accept it and move on.
Oh, and try to figure out why you'd say something like
"The statistics are the reality"
I mean, holy shit, what's wrong with you that you can type something like that, then POST IT! I was flabbergasted to be handed such a club to bludgeon you with.
I don't care. I really do not. Locking up foreigners is no threat to MY liberty. I don't expect anything approaching "proper" treatment from foreign governments. when they start sending Michael and Mary from Boston or Chicago not not Achmed from Krapistanabad then i'll worry.
If I believe what I'm saying, then I'm not lying. And I believe what I'm saying, that the judges only have the power the PATRIOT act claims they do on paper and not in the real world.
you have already proven you have a problem with truth, so I should not be surprised.
No, I've proven I don't agree with you about what the truth is in this case. You have every right to disagree. You have no right to lie about my honesty while doing so, you slanderous asshole.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
I believe what I'm saying
Then you're stupid, which is worse. It is a fact that judges have the power to reject the warrants. To deny this is to lie, or to be grossly ignorant. I gave you the beneft of the doubt by saying you were lying. And despite your protestations, I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt.