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Observing Botnets with Honeynets

Susan Saradon writes "The Honeynet Project has released a new paper which deals with the observation of botnets. "Know Your Enemy: Tracking Botnets" discusses what Botnets are, who is using them, how, and why. It als introduces the tools "mwcollect" and "drone" which can be used for collecting an tracking Botnet activity. Nice to read and looking forward to the release of these tools."

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  1. I always liked by Enigma_Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    logging into the IRC channels of botnets, and trying to introduce myself, and asking "a/s/l" and getting all huffy that nobody's answering. Or talking like a robot.

    -Jesse

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    1. Re:I always liked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you think I am a robot. What makes you say that?

    2. Re:I always liked by justkarl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe when it told you "100101" it wasnt talking like a robot, it was trying to tell you how old it was.

    3. Re:I always liked by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's pretty funny. A friend of mine from highschool was named Karl and really liked the number "1000101", which is only 1 digit different than that one you just spouted (look it up).

      -Jesse

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  2. Zombie PCs being sent to steal IDs by maotx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I was going to submit this as a story, it would seem more appropriate as a link from this one.

    News.com has an interesting article talking about how bot nets have migrated mainly from DoS to wide-spread spys. A growing increase in bot nets have been used to gather sensitive identity information and install adware and spyware. The Honeynet Project estimates that some of the networks are made up of more than 50,000 computers.

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  3. Coral to the rescue... by ControlFreal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Coral link here.

    When posting stories that link to small(ish) sites, please append nyud.net:8090 to the hostname: It makes the Coral cache system cache the data. They have some tens of server worldwide to alleviate the load on the original site.

    Also please load the site through Coral first before you submit the story. That way, Coral's caches are already filled, and the load on the main server can be even lighter.

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  4. 226,585 unique hosts!? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    During these few months, we saw 226,585 unique IP addresses joining at least one of the channels we monitored [...] This shows that the threat posed by botnets is probably worse than originally believed

    Doesn't this qualify as the understatement of the year? Never in my wildest dreams did I think a botnet would grow above a few tens of thousands hosts. There's no explanation for such a botnet other than a professional full-time organization specifically created for profit.

    Anyway, I couldn't have imagined a better or more authoritative write-up of botnets. Hopefully though it doesn't add fuel to the various ??AA organization's fire of declaring IRC a scourge on humanity.

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    1. Re:226,585 unique hosts!? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, here at work, we just have to sneeze loudly and we get a new IP.

      Windows machines reboot continuously because they keep crashing mean new IPs are allocated every time the user reconnects to his ISP.

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    2. Re:226,585 unique hosts!? by mrtroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's no explanation for such a botnet other than a professional full-time organization specifically created for profit.

      Yes, there is, a lot of DDOS power. A lot of xdcc bots. Script kiddies with zero skills can pull it off.

      Hopefully though it doesn't add fuel to the various ??AA organization's fire of declaring IRC a scourge on humanity.

      Just because botnets use irc networks as a place of gathering does not mean IRC is a scourage on humanity. ??AA are not even worried about such things, there is no direct relationship between botnets and music/movies.

      I would not be surprised if there is at the least 10 times more unique hosts than they found.

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    3. Re:226,585 unique hosts!? by EnglishTim · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's no explanation for such a botnet other than a professional full-time organization specifically created for profit.

      That... or the network has attained self-awareness and is trying to recruit all our PCs to conquer the world!

      THROW YOUR PC OUT OF THE WINDOW. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE.

    4. Re:226,585 unique hosts!? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Never in my wildest dreams did I think a botnet would grow above a few tens of thousands hosts.
      Lots of people did, though. Not botnets as such, but it's been clear for several years that Windows is extremely vulnerable to automated infiltration.
      There's no explanation for such a botnet other than a professional full-time organization specifically created for profit.
      A "professional full-time organization" can be one guy. But I'm guessing you mean something more serious, like somebody's raised some investment capital, hired a team of programmers, and is quietly selling botnet services.

      That's not impossible, or even terribly unlikely, but it doesn't follow from the evidence stated. The size of a botnet isn't proof of anything, not when the propogation is automated. That's especially true when the bots are also viruses, that is, in charge of their own propagation. Then you get exponential growth.

    5. Re:226,585 unique hosts!? by Kent+Recal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I understand it, that figure was all botnets they monitored combined.
      Not a single one.

      But as we all know, on the internet "size doesnt matter much".
      Switch your bots to a lightweight (UDP based?) protocol, partition up the botnet or make it P2P and you can handle any insane number of bots.

      Remember, as soon as a new Windows vulnerability is discovered (the current rate seems to be about one serious remote exploit every 3 months) your malicious botnet-operator only needs to "plug in" the new exploit and have n bots dig through a pool of hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of vulnerable hosts just standing in line to join...

      I would not really be surprised if such a large (single) botnet would come into existence in the near future. I guess we'll soon be reading about regular busts on botnet operators as we're reading nowadays about the arrestment of (usually minor) worm programmers.

      And, on a different but related note, I want to repeat: microsoft is to blame! Sue them, leave the fuckin kids alone!

  5. Re:Are these BotNets responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yep.

    The funny thing about the bruteforce attempts I've been victim of is that they use the same password as username.

    I figured this out after having a guest:guest account open for a while. Suddenly I started getting complaints from the network admin, and then one night working, I was shocked by how slow this 400MHz monster had become lately. Running ps showed me a few things I didn't want to see. However, as I didn't delete the programs compiled on that account, I could browse through the code to see how it worked, and indeed, it connected a IRC server and a channel with a key and kept listing IP addresses and codes that I never took the time to investigate.

    And uhm, yeah, it was stupid having a guest:guest account. :)

  6. Are bot-nets open source? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd love to use bot nets to spot, stop or even patch new/unknown machines on my network.

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    1. Re:Are bot-nets open source? by Mr+Ambersand · · Score: 2, Informative

      The bot-nets themselves? No. But according to TFA at least one of the programs used to create the nets is released under the GPL.

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  7. WTF? by Quixote · · Score: 5, Funny
    FTFA:
    In one case, bot software detected whether the game "Diablo II" was installed on the host PC. If the game was present, the program would steal items from the player's characters and drop them at preplanned places in the online game world. The bot net's controller would then collect the items and sell them on auction site eBay, Holz said.

    What the... ? Stealing identities and installing viruses is one thing; but to actually go and steal stuff from Diablo-II?? Have these guys no shame???

    1. Re:WTF? by Reene · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would imagine it is much more profitable, at least in the short run, to do things like this. Same would be true for Everquest if it's possible to steal items in this manner, but I am unfamiliar with how exactly the item system in that game works (was always a Diablo fan, not a EQ fan).

      The prices some of these things fetch is insane even to the most hardcore of gamers..But I guess if you've got that much money to blow anything starts looking good. Hell, you should see some of the prices the shit on the text-based MUD DragonRealms fetches. Upwards of thousands of dollars for characters, rare items, and currency. And it's easy to shell out anywhere from $30-$500 a month directly to the company that runs the game itself, nevermind the underground networks of illegal buying and selling of characters/items/money. But I digress...

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  8. detection of botnets by kc0re · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you that use Snort as an Intrustion Detection System, there are some excellent rules that will detect botnets located at BleedingSnort

    Look for IRC rules that are non-standard ports. Very easy to run.

  9. Re:Are these BotNets responsible by maotx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What gets me is how easy it is to find out which channel these bots go into and what commands they accept. What prevents any Joe-Blow with a little sniffer from logging into one of these 25,000+ bot rooms and sending them DoS or self-destruct commands? I'm really suprised that their isn't any "bot wars" from disgruntled 13-year olds (no offense to any 13 year old /.ers) who want to take control of all of thoses infected boxes.

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  10. Spam on the Undernet by Necrotica · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm an op in a large channel on the Undernet and spam is definately a growing problem. I see lots of spambots join/part our channel and an unusually high percentage of them come from Romania.

    You would think that the Undernet admins could simply force users to login to X, thus dramatically reducing the problem. However they are not willing to do that. As a sysadmin myself, never in a million years would I turn a blind eye one of my services being used completely inapporpriately and I would take the steps necessary to prevent it.

  11. Just my 2p... by aug24 · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...could one of you chaps out there with more time than me please brute-force the password to these IRC servers and update these bot machines with a file which throws up a popup saying "You have been hacked you idiot, get someone to help you secure this box (or I will steal your credit card details").

    J.

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  12. Re:Are these BotNets responsible by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what surprises me is that there arent any antibot /.ers who'll log on those botnets and self-destruct them.

    that is, if any 13 yo can do it... but IANASK (I am not a script kiddie), so...

  13. Re:Are these BotNets responsible by nolife · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe I have been lucky but I see less then 5 attempts to my port 22 a day. I only allow accounts with existing keys (no password auth) and only from a few source ip addresses access but I can still see all of the attempts that fail. You can always see the trends by port and attack by browsing the internet storm center. See how you compare to the averages or you can look up specific port related issues from the other links on that page.

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  14. Spidering by menace3society · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Does it bother anyone else that they imply that spidering is related to DDoS and botnets?

    Note that DDoS attacks are not limited to web servers, virtually any service available on the Internet can be the target of such an attack. Higher-level protocols can be used to increase the load even more effectively by using very specific attacks, such as running exhausting search queries on bulletin boards or recursive HTTP-floods on the victim's website. Recursive HTTP-flood means that the bots start from a given HTTP link and then follows all links on the provided website in a recursive way. This is also called spidering.

    Any time I see this sort of obvious attempt to build paranoia, it makes me suspicious of the whole article.

  15. Re:Are these BotNets responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm really suprised that their isn't any "bot wars"

    Trust me, there are. You may not notice them since they target a pretty specific population (lusers with owned boxes attacking each other until they drop off the internet won't much affect you unless you're on the same network segment as one side or the other). We have an IRC operator on our network who figured out that at least the IRC control module could be disabled on command on certain prepackaged (yay scriptkiddiez) bots, and would (ab)use his power as IRCop to find the hidden channels and disable the bots there.

  16. Re:Are these BotNets responsible by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a dummy account with a cryptic name and password and no home as the only allowed ssh login for my box, from which I must su to a normal user, then su - to admin. I'm hoping that it's unlikely to be cracked.

  17. I've had a similar experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I found a gaobot variant at work a month back and ran it on a Virtual PC at home. One thing the article doesn't mention is that the variant would connect to a free dynamic IP address server (in my case *.ma.cx) to figure out the IP of the IRC server. I fired up mIRC, and joined the channel my bot was joining, and sent the OP a message. We started talking for a bit. At first he thought I was some other black hat and he started bragging about having over 50,000 machines in his network. Wanted to know if I wanted to trade bots and the like. When he figured out what I was really doing, he banned me.

    I sent messages to the ISP of the IRC server (in this case IPowerWeb) and to the dynamic DNS server to the effect of "Hey, someone's using your service for hacking" with all my details and such. Nothing happened. Guess they just don't care.

  18. Re:Why not do something useful instead? by utlemming · · Score: 2, Informative

    The whole purpouse was to gather evidence and details of the botnets. If you don't understand how the bots work, then it is hard to find how to defend against them. By knowing the targets, the goals and how they communicate you can both detect them on a network, and defend against them (for example, if you administer a corparate network, having the signitures of a bot with Snort can be quite useful in intercepting bot traffic). The other interesting thing was that the bot nets use IRC channels to communicate. If they didn't do this little project, then the communcation methods wouldn't be understood. The value of having this information is far more useful than deleting the bot off a computer. Saying that you should delete them is akin to telling anti-virus firms that they should merely delete the virii and not study them at all.

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