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KDE 3.4 Released

andy753421 links to today's announcement of the official release of KDE 3.4, and writes "Several KDE 3.4 based distributions such as ArkLinux and Kubuntu are soon to follow. Features in the release include built in Text to Speech, a revamped trash system, enhanced PDF support and PC to PC synchronization, as well as a new theme. KDE 3.4 weights in at 6,500+ bug fixes, 1,700+ enhancements, and a grand total of 80,000+ contributions." Reader gotr00t adds a link to the KDE download mirror page . Update: 03/16 20:58 GMT by T : mrevell points out an interview with KDE hacker Aaron Seigo in the latest LugRadio, in which Seigo "dispels various myths about KDE and talks about the desktop environment's future."

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  1. One more stat by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    KDE 3.4 weights in at 6,500+ bug fixes, 1,700+ enhancements, and a grand total of 80,000+ contributions.

    Plus the 1000+ posts that are going to come in this slashdot article from kde vs. gnome folks.

    1. Re:One more stat by PhilRod · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How about:
      • Refactoring code
      • Fixing bugs that hadn't been reported
      • Adding features that hadn't been specifically requested in the bugzilla
      • Writing and improving docs
      • New translations
      • Usability improvements
      • New artwork
      • ...
      Remember, software isn't just code, and a lot more goes into it than just bugfixes and now functionality.
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  2. Yes, but... by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it support a 1-button mouse?

  3. Don't forget Mepis... by DavonZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's not forget Mepis. Another KDE based distro as well and getting much press as of late.

    http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=me pi s

  4. Screenshots by Grip3n · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    1. Re:Screenshots by radish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think this release is going to have trouble gaining much usage in the UK - the entire country has been left off the globe on the new wallpaper!

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    2. Re:Screenshots by PhilRod · · Score: 4, Informative

      Heh, yeah. But surely the complete translation of the GUI into British English, along with sizeable portions of the GUI translated into Welsh and Irish Gaelic, there's plenty of opportunity for usage this side of the pond.

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    3. Re:Screenshots by jdfox · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's going to gain lots of fans in Belgium though: the country's suddenly quadrupled in size. Thanks, KDE!

      :)

    4. Re:Screenshots by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's just KDE's commitment to being ahead of everyone else. KDE's developers have been running some complex global warming simulators, and it turns out that in 2007, sea levels are going to rise drastically. This, and that giant Earthquake in 2008, will cause Britain to disappear from the map.

      You'll notice Florida's been reduced to a small stump as well. Same reason. Well, no earthquake this time, just the rising sea levels.

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  5. Kubuntu??? by m50d · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know linux naming conventions are pretty bad, but really, this takes the biscuit.

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    1. Re:Kubuntu??? by Eberlin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, it's based on Ubuntu Linux...Ubuntu means something like "Humanity to others" (the ubuntu.com page will explain this much better than I can) The distro is GNOME based...so the natural thing to do is to slap a K in front of it and it's now KDE-based! Thus Kubuntu. :)

      I've got an Ubuntu installation, btw, and it's pretty cool. Hardware detection was great, runs fairly well on my old 400MHZ PII, and the whole synaptic thing makes for very easy updating. I may eventually try the Kubuntu as I'm looking for that Debian-based KDE-using distro. Currently looking at Mepis but haven't tried it yet.

  6. Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In three months, we'll have a story about how it runs on gentoo.

    1. Re:Nice by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Funny

      In about three hours we'll have a story about KDE 3.4 being released.

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  7. Highlights URL by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.php

    Highlights at a glance

    * Text-to-speech system with support built into Konqueror, Kate, KPDF and the standalone application KSayIt
    * Support for text to speech synthesis is integrated with the desktop
    * Completely redesigned, more flexible trash system
    * Kicker with improved look and feel
    * KPDF now enables you to select, copy & paste text and images from PDFs, along with many other improvements
    * Kontact supports now various groupware servers, including eGroupware, GroupWise, Kolab, OpenGroupware.org and SLOX
    * Kopete supports Novell Groupwise and Lotus Sametime and gets integrated into Kontact
    * DBUS/HAL support allows to keep dynamic device icons in media:/ and on the desktop in sync with the state of all devices
    * KHTML has improved standard support and now close to full support for CSS 2.1 and the CSS 3 Selectors module
    * Better synchronization between 2 PCs
    * A new high contrast style and a complete monochrome icon set
    * An icon effect to paint all icons in two chosen colors, converting third party application icons into high contrast monochrome icons
    * Akregator allows you to read news from your favourite RSS-enabled websites in one application
    * Juk has now an album cover management via Google Image Search
    * KMail now stores passwords securely with KWallet
    * SVG files can now be used as wallpapers
    * KHTML plug-ins are now configurable, so the user can selectively disable ones that are not used. This does not include Netscape-style plug-ins. Netscape plug-in in CPU usage can be manually lowered, and plug-ins are more stable.
    * more than 6,500 bugs have been fixed
    * more than 1,700 wishes have been fullfilled
    * more than 80,000 contributions with several million lines of code and documentation added or changed

    1. Re:Highlights URL by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!

  8. Re:fat as ever? by m50d · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually it performs better with every x.y release, although the new features will weigh against that for real speed. But they're taking a breath ready to make KDE 4 the most bloaty ever. (Disclaimer: I'm actually a KDE fan, I do know qt4 brings a lot of speed improvements, but I also expect this to be true at least of the 4.0 release)

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  9. Re:fat as ever? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It runs fine on anything made in the last four years. If your system is older than that and it's too slow for you, try XFCE. The rest of us KDE and Gnome users will welcome you into the fold the next time you upgrade.

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  10. $subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    $item is cool. Thanks $item developers!

  11. National Weather Service Alert by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Funny

    The National Weather Service has issued an alert for the entirety of the United States. An unusual buildup of heat is expected over the next few days related to a sudden and massive increase in processor usage of select personal computers across the country.

    This alert is based off of previous temperature surges related to the release of the 'KDE' software package to users of the 'Gentoo' operating system. As another release of this package has just occurred, the National Weather Service is issuing this alert so relief organizations can be prepared. Special attention is to be paid to the south-western united states due to unseasonably high temperatures, and high concentrations of personal computer equipment.

    An additional National Weather Service extreme temperature WARNING has been issued for the Silicon Valley region.

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  12. Re:BSD? Huh? by timothy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Call me ignorant, but what does KDE have to do with BSD?

    Mr. Helmet:

    Well, KDE has about as much to do with BSD as it does with Linux :) Popular desktop on both.

    My intent was to make it basically in the Linux section (since many more KDE users are using Linux -- I assert, without numbers, just observation, and I could be wrong, and a moose once bit my sister and and and), cross-listed in the BSD section.

    A peculiarity of the Slashdot backend means I picked the wrong order / weighting for KDE vs. Linux; I updated the story to fix this. No slight is meant toward Linux users, BSD users, Gnome users, those who enjoy boiled eggs with dill of a winter evening ...

    timothy

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  13. Re:awesome by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Neither does KDE. We have around 800 developers with 100 commits each on average. Although fairly it is mostly 200 core developers with 100s of commits. Check CIA/a.

  14. Re:Good LORD it's got some useless stuff! by avalys · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First of all, that thing has been there since KDE 1.0. It's a toy, and I doubt it requires much maintenance, so why not leave it in? What do you expect from something in the "kdetoys" package, anyway?

    Second, the current moon phase is very important for amateur astronomers. A full moon makes it nearly impossible to see anything but the brightest objects in the sky, because of the glare. Also, if you want to look at the moon itself, the best time is not when it's full (because everything is so bright and washed out), but when it's at approximately 1/2 phase, because the shadows show depth.

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  15. Re:Inefficiency by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a few basic replies to this.

    1. You're assuming all 'developers' have the same level of competency and interests. Just because there are 100 contributors doesn't mean that 100 contributors all working on 'window shading' together would make things better, or even be efficient.

    2. KDE (and Gnome) are much more than 'Window Managers'. If that's all you want, use something else.

    I do agree that it seems that there are some redundant projects, but seeing multiple projects and code can continue to spur development of projects. If Kopete sees something in Gaim, they can add that feature, or vice versa.

    Politics comes into it too. Just because someone contributed something to Gaim doesn't mean the Gaim devs would take the contribution. Having multiple projects for people to contribute to could be seen as fostering innovation, not splitting resources, as more people can express themselves, and (hopefully) the best ideas float to the top.

    Whether the whole open source community is a true meritocracy or not is another matter, though I tend to think in most cases it's closer to that than other development models.

  16. Re:Obligatory cliches... by Electronik · · Score: 5, Funny

    You insensitive klod!!!!!

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  17. Microsoft's Spin by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Funny

    KDE 3.4 weighs in at 6,500+ bug fixes,

    Today, EDS released a report on the quality of open source software.
    Citing over 6,000 known bugs in KDE 3.3 versus zero known bugs in Microsoft Windows, Senior EDS Industry Analyst Joe Isuzu said, "There is no question that open source software is of very poor quality and completely unreliable, the evidence is very clear for anyone to see. Microsoft Windows is head and shoulders above the free alternatives, downhill in a hurricane."

  18. Re:Inefficiency by SirTalon42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is still a KOffice because the developers of KOffice started working on it before OOo existed, and right now its MUCH lighter than OOo and has most of the features, and has several extra things.

    "It seems that the developers' time would be better spent improving the core functions of the window manager."

    The developers will spend their time doing what they want to do (and most likely are best at), if they didn't spend it working on program X, they wouldn't necessarily be spending it working on program Y.

  19. Trash by GerbilSoft · · Score: 3, Funny

    a revamped trash system

    Yes, now the Trash can has a Windows logo on it.

  20. Clippy Cometh...... by BRock97 · · Score: 3, Funny
    "include built in Text to Speech"

    Exxccccelent. Soon, the final pieces for KDE Klippy will be complete and we will rule the KHelpCenter together! Just imagine it:


    I see you are trying to compile the latest Linux kernel. Would you like help with:
    • Configuring devices?
    • Configuring filesystems?
    • Reinstalling Windows XP?

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  21. Good news by realmolo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have to say, KDE is starting to get really good. And they seem to be cranking out improvements faster than they did in past years.

    A couple more versions, and they'll probably have caught up to/surpassed what you get with a Mac or XP system. GUI-wise, anyway. Underneath it's already better.

    The only complaint I really have about Linux on the desktop these days is the confusing layout of the filesystem. Which isn't KDE's fault. I hate having programs located in 5 different directories, with their configuration files in yet ANOTHER directory. I'm used to it, and it makes sense in a way. But I'd like to see all non-OS exectuables in their own folder under one "Program Files" folder, along with their configuration files. All the "system" files could go under a "System" folder.

    But that'll never happen. It would break EVERYTHING.

    1. Re:Good news by Hard_Code · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I'm used to it, and it makes sense in a way."

      No, it doesn't make sense.

      I am not clueless or Myths and misconceptions about the design of GoboLinux

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    2. Re:Good news by flu1d · · Score: 4, Informative

      A couple more versions, and they'll probably have caught up to/surpassed what you get with a Mac or XP system. GUI-wise, anyway. Underneath it's already better.

      Although the beauty of the WM/DE is completely subjective I have found kde-look.org to be a great source of beautifying KDE. If you look through there you can find people that have their desktop looking alot like or exactly like Mac OS X or Windows XP (if you're into that sort of thing).

    3. Re:Good news by naelurec · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to say, KDE is starting to get really good. And they seem to be cranking out improvements faster than they did in past years.

      I feel the QT/KDE teams has been particularly successful in developing a very extensible foundation. Everything fits nicely together which makes it very developer friendly. As a result, as it continues to gain popularity, development has accelerated.

      Confusing layout of the filesystem

      Thats one thing I particularly like about FreeBSD.. the OS and non-OS files are separated (/usr/bin vs /usr/local/bin and /etc vs /usr/local/etc) and there is a well defined file hierarchy (man hier) which the majority of the ports conform.

      Given the detailed description of what each folder is used for makes it clear as to where you would expect to find certain files. The "Program Files" and "System" folder approach falls short. Sure your able to separate the system files and program files, but beyond that, there is no organizational structure. Things like the path variable are effectively useless and included additional content (help files, clipart, sound files, templates, etc..) get buried and may not be discovered.

      Thats one of the big issues I have with Linux. This hierarchy is left up to the various distributions and many times, a strong, well planned layout is simply not there. I find I regularly spend too much additional time searching for files on Linux due to this (though still not nearly as long as digging through the registry and scouring various files on a Windows box) compared to knowing the hierarchy on FreeBSD and having a high level of confidence that a file i am looking for will be in one or two possible places.

    4. Re:Good news by 0racle · · Score: 4, Informative

      programs would find themselves quite confused
      ./configure --prefix=/Applications --sysconfigdir=/Settings --libdir=/Librarys

      so I really don't know why usr/bin is not linked to /bin (and same for other respective dirs, you get the idea)
      Because the binaries they hold serve different purposes. Often the stuff in /bin is statically linked so that it is usable in the event of a catastrophic failure, where as /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin binaries are often only usable if the system comes up.

      you never know what lib is really used
      ldd `somebinary`

      OS X is UNIX-based kernel
      Mach kernel

      it does not have too messy filesystem organisation
      With some work your linux could have the same layout

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  22. Re:fat as ever? by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Informative

    just install the essentials, leave out kde-multimedia, kde-network, kde-graphics, kde-utilities, kde-admin, koffice... KDE is modular, i can get a workable KDE desktop with just arts, kde-base,kde-libs, kde-artwork, & QT... if you already have mozilla/firefox & thunderbird, OpenOffice, then why install redundant apps, KDE is nice but too many people forget it is modular and can be made leaner, but if you want the whole kitchen sink slam all the packages in

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  23. Re:Yeah but by SirTalon42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    KDE? Yes http://kde-cygwin.sf.net/. Newer versions should start being released once QT & KDE 4.0 are out.

  24. Re:Yahoo :) by bigjocker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sadly, about a month ago I gave up on KDE and Gnome and went back to Enlightenment. I have over 1GB RAM, but those desktops are becoming a huge memory hog.

    E just sits there (looking beautiful, BTW) and does just what I need. A few tweaks away and I have a great desktop.

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  25. Watch out, not KDE 3.4-final screenshots by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 4, Informative

    The screenshot gallery linked by the parent comment features KDE 3.4 Release Candidate, not the final version.

    (Yes, I realize it's probably very similar, but I went through a few screens thinking "well, seems like it hasn't changed a bit from the RC I'm running here" until I noticed the gallery title.)

  26. Re:Good LORD it's got some useless stuff! by aav · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a good contraception method! Not as good as Slashdot, though, as anyone could verify. Still, in some places in this world dial-up lines are expensive, so one doesn't always have access to the very best...

  27. Now watch the bug reports roll in. by Kili · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm on the kmail list and in the past 12 hours over 57 bugs have been filed against kmail alone...

    I think I'll do what I usually do... wait for x.1 to be released. If that comes out too quickly I wait for x.2.

    As always: Back up your data BEFORE trying new software.

    Happy compiling...

  28. Re:What is the quickest way to install? by general_boy · · Score: 3, Informative

    This guy ("Thac") has it built already. Here are his Mandrake 10.1 RPMs:

    http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/kde-3.4.0/

  29. Re:less is more by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please please please don't install all KDE modules!

    Now it has been said.

    The kdetoys modules is designed to contain useless crap that makes people go: HUH? What the hell is that? Other examples from that modules is a tea clock and rolling head. So if you don't want useless crap don't install kdetoys!

    Other modules to avoid is kde-i18n (do you really want KDE in Swahili and Welsh?) and kdeaddons (stuff no one wanted responsibility for)