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Opera Signs Nokia Phone Deal

Masq666 writes "Opera Software stated on Friday that it had signed a deal with Nokia to put its mobile Internet browser on several Nokia phones. Opera has licensed its mobile Internet browser for a total of 11 Nokia phone models in recent years. Opera's CFO said he expected the rise in the number of phones with Opera's browser to outpace the increase in models."

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  1. Yep by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    And for an extra $10/mo, you can use the browser without ads.

    1. Re:Yep by UWC · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The mobile version of Opera has a 14-day trial period (ad-free) and then won't work without registration (or probably some other workaround; I have yet to investigate).

      I installed it on my Nokia 3660 a while back and let the trial run out before I got around to trying to use it.

      Is the nature of this announcement merely that Opera will officially offer versions that support an increasing number of Nokia phone models? Should I assume users will still have to pay for Opera?

    2. Re:Yep by rokzy · · Score: 1

      this story is quite a conincidence since just 10 mins earlier I downloaded the new version for my UIQ P900. it seems to be free. if not, I'll go back to the slightly older version that came with my phone, though the new freetype fonts are gorgeous.

    3. Re:Yep by netsharc · · Score: 1

      I thought this announcement means Nokia is going to bundle the full version of the Opera browser in their phones, at the same time paying Opera to use the technology. I know one case where the phone comes bundled with the browser, with both Nokia and Opera advertising it proudly.

      I only realized today that they're both Finnish companies, so no wonder they're keen to cooperate. Of course the browser itself is IMO reason enough for Nokia to want them, it has tons of features and it's very lightweight, even their desktop version of the browser.

      Finns are just so cool!

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    4. Re:Yep by UWC · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I guess my hope now is that with the extension comes free retroactive downloads for phones that gain the support. I suppose I should add to that the hope that the 3660 is among the phones that gain such support.

    5. Re:Yep by Rits · · Score: 3, Informative

      Opera comes pre-installed or on a complimentary CD on some phones, including some Nokia models. And that is what this deal is about. You don't need a deal with Nokia for offering a third-party shareware program...

      See here for the list of current phones where you can either install Opera, or where it is pre-installed.

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    6. Re:Yep by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, Nokia has some pretty kickass proxying solutions that rewrite all web content to fit perfectly on a mobile screen. Good stuff.

    7. Re:Yep by Rits · · Score: 1

      Small nit: Opera is Norwegian, not Finnish. Both Fins and Norwegians often know Swedish, maybe that helps in negotiations...

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    8. Re:Yep by DaAdder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually Opera Software AS is a Norwegian company, Nokia however is Finnish as you say.

    9. Re:Yep by pasokon · · Score: 1

      I don't think you'll still have to pay, I think this means you'll get the Opera browser for free for your S60 Nokia phone. Like how I can get the full version of Opera for free for my P900 due to some licensing agreement or something with Sony Ericsson.

    10. Re:Yep by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Actually Opera has had SSR (Small Screen Rendering) for some time now, hit shift + F11 in 7.54u2 for instance. The betas extend the idea to ERA (extended rendering archetecture) which is supposed to scale the content to any size screen, be it small, medium or big (1600x1200) so you get the best use out of your monitor. I don't think it currently is working at making stuff "bigger" yet though.

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  2. please no adds by Xiph · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as it's without the adds, I think it's great to see what i still consider the best browser to be present on cell phones. Albeit that probably means the cell phones are running CE...

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    1. Re:please no adds by chrisopherpace · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why do you say it has to run on CE? Opera does have a port for Linux you know....

    2. Re:please no adds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Opera runs fine on SymbianOS phones, like the Nokia 60 series.

    3. Re:please no adds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      well, I have the Nokia 9500 http://www.nokia.com/phones/9500, which is Symbian OS 7 based, Opera is indeed the default browser, and there are no Ads, hence, the license deal.

    4. Re:please no adds by ianezz · · Score: 3, Interesting
      As long as it's without the adds, I think it's great to see what i still consider the best browser to be present on cell phones. Albeit that probably means the cell phones are running CE...

      Well, high-end Nokia phones run Symbian OS (obviously: Nokia is a notable member of the Symbian consortium...), which basically is the good 'ol Epoc 32 which ran on Arm PDAs like the Psion Series 5. And Opera has been running for years on such machines, so that should be a no-brainer.

      OTOH, Nokia uses its own GUI on top of Symbian, so this will probably mean some minor adjustments for Opera.

    5. Re:please no adds by UWC · · Score: 1

      I remember installing Opera on my Diamond Mako (a rebranded Psion Revo Plus) a few years ago. Since I didn't have a GSM phone to employ as a modem for it, I tried it out on some pages I transferred over the serial connection from my PC. It seemed to do pretty well, but the resolution on that device was 480x160 and was of course a touchscreen, so it wasn't quite the challenge that developing a good interface on a phone would be. Was definitely on Symbian OS (EPOC release 5, apparently). Opera seemed a bit slow to start on a 36MHz ARM processor, though.

    6. Re:please no adds by bahwi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've got the Nokia Communicator 9500 and it's Opera with a different skin(Nokia's branded it for themselves, but the same stuff is there).

      No ads, works great too. 9500 Rocks because it's Wifi enabled too. Kinda big, but that's why it has the nickname "The Brick."

    7. Re:please no adds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      What do you mean "port"? It seems to me (from the large list of compatible OSes) that Opera was built to be cross-OS capabile from the ground up in the latest versions. The list (in case you were intersted):
      • Windows
      • Solaris Sparc
      • QNX
      • OS/2
      • MacOS
      • Linux Sparc
      • Linux PowerPC
      • Linux i386
      • FreeBSD i386
      • BeOS
    8. Re:please no adds by Bronz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Opera doesn't run on CE. If would be the symbian OS, as in the past: http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=s ymbian

    9. Re:please no adds by nan0 · · Score: 1

      "probably means the cell phones are running CE..." actually nokia phones tend to (if not exclusively) run symbian and quite well

    10. Re:please no adds by Ravnen · · Score: 1

      Opera runs on most PC and PDA/mobile OSes, including Windows Mobile. Nokia, however, don't offer any phones running Windows Mobile, so you're right that the Nokia phones the article refers to run Symbian OS.

    11. Re:please no adds by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      Not true. There is an Opera version for Windows Powered Smartphone, which is Windows CE based.

      There is not, however, a version for Pocket PC.

    12. Re:please no adds by Ravnen · · Score: 1

      'Port' means the version of the software for a given platform. Opera is very portable (or 'cross-OS capable' as you say), which is why there are so many ports!

    13. Re:please no adds by eraserewind · · Score: 1

      Opera already runs on Series60. It has shipped on the memory card for assorted Nokia phones already. This is just a new licensing deal.

  3. Instead of mouse gestures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You dance around with the phone or do a silly walk.

    1. Re:Instead of mouse gestures... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      There is an adventure game , in Symbian which you actually have to WALK to go other places in game.

      Uses cellID.

      No shit :)

      http://www.midlet-review.com/index?content=review& id=408&rel=symbian&mobile=&genre=Adventure&PHPSESS ID=04d5ddba35a3413d0c67a317759aed58

      I'd buy it if I was an outgoing guy :) Huge part of it is free BTW.

  4. Symbian OS by Broiler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How long until Opera is the defacto browser for all Symbian OS phones?

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    1. Re:Symbian OS by wheany · · Score: 1

      Last month

    2. Re:Symbian OS by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      Until Minimo 1.0 is released ;)

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    3. Re:Symbian OS by nafmo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, good luck fitting Minimo on those phones. I would wager that the reason why all the screenshots of Minimo running all show Google is not because Google hires Mozilla people, but because their page is what you can display before you run out of memory.

      Opera is designed for running well on low-end machines, which gives it a clear upper hand when it comes to running it on small devices such as mass-market mobile phones.

    4. Re:Symbian OS by rodgerd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a Nokia 7710 could never support anything more than a half-arsed browser.

    5. Re:Symbian OS by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      If I wasn't lazy, I would post an identical fictionous support request to both products and see what I get in return.

      Keep on supporting Minimo, I hope it goes somewhere as Opera running on my 2mb ram 7650 but don't support it by undermining Opera.

      Same deal with Mozilla/Opera already started on mobile too?

  5. Minimo? by molrak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What does this mean for Minimo (Mozilla's mini-browser that was funded/supported by Nokia)? It's been less than a year since they announced their financial support for the project,. I know the mozilla foundation released a few early versions for Windows CE/Pocket, but I haven't heard anything about the mobile phone version.

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    1. Re:Minimo? by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Minimo? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1
      Here are some pictures of Minimo already running on cellphones.

      AKA "The picture set for those 5 readers who don't know how big a dollar bill is AND don't know what the Google logo looks like"

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    3. Re:Minimo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Given that Minimo is the early stages, it's possible that Nokia is still funding Minimo while using Opera. According to the article, the lowest price Opera charges per device is about 50 cents but you have to be shipping millions of the things to get that. If Minimo develops to a sufficient state, then Nokia gets a free browser. Forever.

    4. Re:Minimo? by slapout · · Score: 1

      Or they could just charge an extra 50 cent to the cell phone company and still have a free browser. :-)

      (Yes, I know what the orginal poster was saying. I was just making a joke.)

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    5. Re:Minimo? by wheany · · Score: 1

      More like miniFir.

    6. Re:Minimo? by Ravnen · · Score: 1
      What does this mean for Minimo (Mozilla's mini-browser that was funded/supported by Nokia)?

      Nokia probably don't want to put all of their eggs into a single basket, as the saying goes. If the difference between the value added by Opera and the price of Opera is greater than the value added by Minimo, minus any funding from Nokia, then Opera is a better choice. If not, Minimo may be the better one.

    7. Re:Minimo? by wilhelm9 · · Score: 1

      But then every one of Nokias competitors will also have free access to a browser for their mobile phones, and funded by Nokia... :-)

    8. Re:Minimo? by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Does that site work on Mozilla? Or is it intentional to only offer postage-stamp sized photos?

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    9. Re:Minimo? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Opera can be installed and run on my 7650 phone from 2002 (or 3?)

      It has 2 mb of memory. Yes, 2 mb. You can't add anything too.(sigh) If you push a bit as using excellent tools like sdoubler from http://www.psiloc.com/ , you may even use Realplayer or Agile Messenger same time.

      This must be the real reason

    10. Re:Minimo? by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      Works fine with Mozilla 1.7.5. If you click the thumbnails you should see a full size pic.

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  6. There is no ad-version by geo.georgi · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are no ads on the mobile version of the browser.
    Only a trial version and it costs 20$ if you want to buy it.

  7. Re:Opera? by Broiler · · Score: 5, Funny

    cant really think of anything as unusable as opera in a cellphone...
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  8. Re:Opera? by UWC · · Score: 1

    Except that Opera is very well respected as a mobile browser and has apparently some nice features specifically for low resolution mobile devices, including supposedly very well executed small screen rendering, which I guess scales and readjusts a web page for improved display on a mobile's screen.

  9. Can anyone comment on the usability... by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...of Opera on cellphones? The main reason i use Opera as my everyday browser on Linux/Windows is because of it's excellent user interface. How does that translate to phones?

    It must be hard browsing without mouse gestures :)

    1. Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... by it0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It works out great, I use version 7.31 on my zaurus.
      I don't understand how it works, but somebody told me that it is a css hack. Anyway for example you have 4 modes, with or without pics and fit to screen (columnn mode) and normal rendering. Let's say you have this complex page with css2 and javascript, some magic happens and it's completely readable on 320x240 in column mode.

    2. Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... by Wild+Bill+TX · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not a CSS hack at all. Each page can have a different CSS for each different type of media, including screen, handheld, print, and more. It's up to your browser to decide which one to use.

      In the case of a mobile Opera browser, it will use your page's handheld CSS, if it exists. If it does not exist, the way page elements are displayed is simply altered to the default. For example, table cells are all displayed in one column.

      This is the way HTML is designed and meant to be. Pages should use a semantic structure, with elements such as <h1>, <p>, and so forth, leaving the way it's displayed up to the browser or a CSS file (separate presentation from content). Unfortunately, that's not the way most pages are written today, due to failing standards support on the part of Internet Exploiter and lack of willingness to adopt unfamiliar ways, so there's usually only one optimal presentation: your desktop's browser. For those pages, Opera's SSR simply does the best it can.

    3. Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... by Rits · · Score: 2, Informative

      Daniel Glazman claims his CSS can do the same for Minimo as Opera's SSR for massaging webpages into something that fits in a 160 pixel wide screen.

      But Opera does much more than applying some styles. See here for the brochure.

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    4. Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... by eggz128 · · Score: 1

      It works pretty well actually (though I am posting this with it's main s60 rival Netfront). I used it recently when netfront 3.2 wouldn't start (due to a bug that requires you to manually delete the cache with a 3rd party app). Both basically work equally well, reformatting pages for the small screen by scaling images and displaying table cells as block level elements (eliminating sideways scrolling when tables are used for layout). Opera is a bit smarter with css, using the handheld media stylesheet exclusively if supplied. Netfront will apply both handheld and screen rules if supplied which is annoying. On the upside you netfront's settings allow you to write and apply a user.css file.

    5. Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... by SilicaiMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Press shift-F11 and you'll see for yourself.

  10. Re:It Figures by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It figures that they would sign Opera as their browser....then they can sell you the Antispyware software to go along with the phone which is an additional $10."

    Uh, what? Are you saying that Opera is/has spyware? If so, can ya pass the pipe?

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  11. Ads? I think not.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Opera is great for browsing and has always had some form of a popup blocker (yes, even prior to Mozilla). However, It is noteworthy to point out the greatest feature of the Opera browser...."delete all private information".. I don't know a single person who surfs for porn with anything else!

  12. Re:It Figures by zootm · · Score: 1
    Similar to how Microsoft bought out the antivirus company which is software to fix problems that Microsoft made in its OS.
    What, that it was present on non-technical user's desktop machines? I mean, I know it's a problem, but someone has to supply these people with computers...
  13. Re:It Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    please point out where opera sells antispyware programs. when you are done with that, please explain how nokia or opera allows spyware on their phones to begin with. oh wait, they don't. why? because you are full of shit.

    opera sells 1 thing. a browser. a browser that happens to work amazingly well, and even more amazingly well in a mobile environment.

    is this worth paying for? definitely.

    are you still full of shit? definitely.

  14. SmartPhone = MS by pgaston · · Score: 1

    So count on Pocket IE there...

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  15. I used it and early MS phones by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Informative
    Lets just say that it was a two horse race, Opera vs IE and Opera won 1st and 2nd and 3rd place. IE was towed to the pet food factory.

    Opera works well and is a proper browser. IE at the time (about 2 years ago) was horribly limited in the mobile version, no css at all for instance. Opera on the other hand could handle regular websites as well or as bad as the full version on your pc.

    Mouse gestures didn't exist but the ones I used were the big slightly laptop form nokia's vs pda MS phones. The widescreen of the nokia helped reading newssites wich is what I was supposed to be building for these phones.

    Maybe IE has now improved but two years ago there was no competition.

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  16. Re:Opera? by UWC · · Score: 1

    Your stability complaint for PC versions is somewhat justified. I've experienced many a crash when it tries to load some Java applets in the Windows version (haven't tried a Linux version). I also imagine stability has improved since you last tried it. I think the current official version is 7, and 8 is available in beta form... I think. My assumption is that the mobile versions are significantly different in their implementation than the desktop versions.

  17. Re:Opera? by LPetrazickis · · Score: 3, Informative

    Small Screen Rendering is available from the view menu in any recent version of Opera, including Opera 8b3 (Linux). It's surprisingly nifty, though kinda useless on the desktop.

    OTOH, the new "Fit to Window Width" feature is super useful whenever there's a horizontal sidebar or if you want to collapse a frameset into a single page.:)

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  18. Shards of malformed html by Nexboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It might be interesting to run these browser-equipped PDA's and phones against the random shards of malformed html generated by Michael Zalewski's program mentioned previously on Slashdot.

    I did a quick check of an embedded browser I had laying around, and it died instantly.

  19. Re:I've been using Opera and it's a nice addition by SilicaiMan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    since this will be an ad-free version, you won't have to worry about all those pop-up and other ads at all.

    What pop-up ads? Opera's ads do not pop up. They are as inconspicuous as they can get, and limited to a narrow horizontal band at the top of the screen.

    Plus, I don't see anybody complaining about Slashdot's ads. Subscribers (you know, people who pay money) don't see Slashdot's ads. Same thing with Opera.

  20. very long by geo.georgi · · Score: 1

    It will take long time.
    The most people still use the default WAP GPRS browser. The bookmarks on the phone are associated with him, and there is no way to make Opera the default browser on the phones.
    I can speak for the current Symbian phones, that have him (Sony Ericsson P800/P900, Nokia 6600).

  21. Can anyone parse this? by pla · · Score: 1

    Opera's CFO said he expected the rise in the number of phones with Opera's browser to outpace the increase in models.

    Umm... Huh?

    So... More models of phones will use Opera than the number of existant phone models?

    Neat trick, this guy should talk to the CEO of a former employer of mine that swore to maintain perpetual X% "growth" per year by making cuts to reach that target.

    Perhaps Bernie didn't do anything wrong... These guys just use a system of math totally incompatible with physical reality. Worldcom investors actually made trillions, it just doesn't look so good on paper. Yeah.

  22. Fantastic on Symbian S60 by mapnjd · · Score: 1

    I've a Nokia 7610, and it's fantastic. There aren't many pieces of software that I, personally, consider are worth paying for, but Opera for Symbian is one of them, It's fantastic - it has turned my cute toy into a completely cool essential tool. I've even had to sign up to a data bundle from Orange (UK)!

    Slashdot works particularly well.

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  23. Small Screen by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

    Small screen is useful for those panels. If you want a design a page with a list of information, then you render it as small screen and make it fit better in the panel.

  24. All thank Opera by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

    If they weren't in business, we were speaking about the IE domination (and also WinCE) on mobile market right now.

    They make living money only and only from selling browsers and inventing. They had no $2M donation or 400+ elite coders.

    Its a miracle they have come this far and keep on progressing.

  25. Re:I've been using Opera and it's a nice addition by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I should point out i meant the version on the cell phones is banner ad free. Pop-ups are easy to disable in ALL versions of Opera.

    So, you don't have to pay - again - for the ad-free version - that's how it comes INSTALLED on your Nokia phone.

    [caveat - I own shares of Nokia, lots of them, so I have a financial interest in this]

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