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Underwater Robot to Re-Cross Gulf Stream

karvind writes "PhysOrg is running story about a small autonomous underwater vehicle, or AUV, named Spray which was launched yesterday (March 25, 2005) about 12 miles southeast of Bermuda. The two-meter-(6-foot)-long orange glider with a four-foot wingspan will slowly make its way northwest, crossing the Gulf Stream and reaching the continental shelf on the other side before turning around and heading back to Bermuda, where it will be recovered in July. Spray made history last fall as the first AUV to cross the Gulf Stream, but this time it is making the trip from the other direction."

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  1. Bermuda by mfh · · Score: 2, Funny

    before turning around and heading back to Bermuda

    Let's just hope it doesn't get gobbled up by those pesky Bermuda Triangle Aliens.

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    1. Re:Bermuda by Chemisor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I doubt they'll touch it until they can figure out if it's a fish or a bird. Alien Abductor Rule Number One: if you don't know what it is - don't eat it.

    2. Re:Bermuda by tonsofpcs · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, thats Number Two. Alien Abductor Rule Number One is really: If you don't know what it is, shove stuff up its posterior and come back to cut it open later.

  2. Is it nuclear powered? by physicsphairy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because, if it is, we all know what happens when you cross the streams.

    1. Re:Is it nuclear powered? by sgant · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whoa...wait a minute, are you telling me that this SUCKER is NUCLEAR?

      That's heavy...

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  3. Underwater Robot Sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is the sound of two robots fucking?

    If two robots fuck, and no one is around to hear them, do they abort, retry, or fail?

  4. Not nearly as cool... by midifarm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As making a robot walk from Gilligan's Island to Honolulu!

    Peace

  5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://spray.ucsd.edu/pic/spray.jpg

    "'Spray' uses primary-lithium-battery power and a hydraulic pump to periodically change its volume to alternately glide upwards and downwards. This results in a see-saw path at descent/ascent angles of 18-25 degrees and forward speeds of 25-35 cm/s. Heading and ascent/descent rate are controlled without control surfaces by moving weight (battery packs) inside the hull to change roll and pitch, much as a hang glider is controlled."

    Excerpt from TFA, http://spray.ucsd.edu/

  6. Daydreaming... by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've often wondered how difficult it would be to build something like this that is solar powered (stays on the surface), has small simple engines, GPS and a satellite radio to call home every day or so. It would be slow but if nothing breaks it could in theory cross huge distances.

    Would make a great competition! £20k for the first to cross the Atlantic from Newfoundland to Ireland!

    1. Re:Daydreaming... by pVoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you are crossing an ocean, (as opposed to a pool or a puddle), you most likely want to stay below the surface and avoid the wrath of 20 meter waves. A small motor will get you nowhere if you are going uphill on a wave of that kind. You might as well put a message in a bottle and hope it gets where you want it to.

  7. It's just a cover-up. by Rolling_Go · · Score: 4, Funny

    So that those cokeheads can smuggle their stuff under the guise of "scientific testing".

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  8. How autonomous is it really? by pg110404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    will track its progress and are able to communicate with the vehicle via satellite during the mission to change course

    If they can change its course and affect its navigation, will they? I know it's not, but it almost seems to be bobbing around and riding the gulf stream to get to where it has to go.

    It would be much more interesting to create a self propelled autonomous robot to swim upstream from the mouth of the ocean to a specific river or stream the same way fish return to spawn where they hatched, all without guidance. All it would know is where it has to go, but how it gets there it would have to be able to figure out on its own (avoid obstacles on its own, etc).

    1. Re:How autonomous is it really? by OctaneZ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If they can change its course and affect its navigation, will they?

      Frankly, yes, we are very interested in specific features of the stream, especially the edges and fronts. We may not "mess with it" every 8 hours, but we do steer it toward interesting features or away from eddies.
  9. Converting buoyancy into forward motion by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Informative

    It works just like a glider (wings and no propeller). By decreasing the buoyancy of the vehicle, it sinks and the downward drop of the vehicle is converted to forward motion by the wings (just like dropping a glider off a cliff). When the vehicle ascends, the same thing happens. The numbers in the article suggest a very modest glide slope of only 3.2:1. This means that each round trip to 3300 feet and back would provide 21120 feet (6.4 km) of forward travel. Do that 3 times a day, and you can make steady progress.

    Changing buoyancy and gliding takes very little energy, much less than running a propeller, so the thing can run for a long time (about 300 days, according the the article).

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    1. Re:Converting buoyancy into forward motion by OctaneZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      The bladder doesn't fill with water it is filled with oil which is stored in internal resevoirs inside the pressure case. This shift in volume while maintaining a constant mass is what allows us to change the bouancy.

    2. Re:Converting buoyancy into forward motion by OctaneZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The tail is rigid but contains a wet portion with a cover on either side. In this wet section are a SeaBird CTD, a water pump, a backscatter sensor (for gorss biological counts), and two external oil bladders. At depth (~1000m) we pump oil from the internal reserves into these two external bladders. So yes you are right, unlike a submarine we ballast with a volume that is otherwise held inside the pressure case.

  10. Spray Project Page by FreeHeel · · Score: 5, Informative
    SIO IDG Spray Home

    from the site:

    What is SPRAY?

    'Spray,' shown above, is an underwater glider developed under ONR support by Scripps and Woods Hole scientists (Sherman et al., 2001) to provide a small long-range autonomous platform for long-term ocean measurements. 'Spray' uses primary-lithium-battery power and a hydraulic pump to periodically change its volume to alternately glide upwards and downwards. This results in a see-saw path at descent/ascent angles of 18-25 degrees and forward speeds of 25-35 cm/s. Heading and ascent/descent rate are controlled without control surfaces by moving weight (battery packs) inside the hull to change roll and pitch, much as a hang glider is controlled. As shown below, at the surface Spray rolls 90o to raise one of its wings, each of which contains a combined GPS/Iridium antenna. Using the wings to house antennas eliminates the drag associated with separate antenna housings and allows redundant systems so that communication and navigation can continue even if one antenna is damaged, as happened when one Spray was run over by a surface vessel...

    FreeHeel

  11. Forget Skynet... by PornMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    The self-aware threat is now from the water!

  12. Q/A by Zardus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Q: Why did the robot cross the golf stream?

    A: To get to the continental shelf on the other side!

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  13. Coming soon : Jaws IX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mankind started developing robots in 20th century. Real developement came when commercial robots were inroduced in early 21st century. Now we all know the household robots - our faithful friends.

    But there was a secret nobody knew - army of underwater robots, results of crewl experiments, neglected to corode and left to die the ultimate underwater death. Now they are back for their revenge.

    Coming soon in summer of 2015 in theaters near you.

    1. Re:Coming soon : Jaws IX by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mankind started developing robots in 20th century.

      Clockwork automatons don't count?

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  14. Marine Forecast by thedogcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yay, I can use my marine meteorology education:

    A low pressure system developing off the southeastern United states will provide fresh to strong southwesterly winds for our little robot, ahead of an advancing cold front. Behind this frontal boundary, our little robot will have to work a little harder because he will be fighting some strong west to west-northwesterly winds. This is all within the next couple of days (obviously way before July).

    Swells will generally be from the SE, maybe 3-5 increasing to 5-7 later in the week. So that makes combined seas 8-10 ocnl 14 increasing to 9-11 ocnl 15 ft. Good luck little robot!

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  15. Re:price of energy by Bradee-oh! · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a side matter, a google search on Li CSC batteries doesn't turn up much. What are they exactly?

    Li/CSC seems to be an acronym for "Lithium Sulfuryl Chloride." Why they decided to make it look like Lithium/Computer Science, I dunno.

    This is the best link I could find with a description of the different battery technologies that also mentions Li/CSC. It seems the main characteristics of the Li/CSC battery is that it's rechargable, carries a higher-than-average voltage, has a VERY high energy density, and is suitable for high-current applications. It seems the ideal match for the Spray-type application.

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  16. The big question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can this thing be built as large as a supertanker, and then used to carry cargo back and forth, possibly with the ocean currents doing most of the work (and the up-down gliding locomotion for the rest)?

    This would save quite a bit of fuel, though unloading cargo from what is essentially a submarine might be a bit trickier. Loading and unloading liquids only, like oil, should be no problem...

  17. Glider Info by OctaneZ · · Score: 3, Informative
    The glider was launched off Bermuda, and will make a roundtrip from Bermuda to Nantucket and then return to Bermuda to be retreived early this summer.
    Live Data is updated after each dive.

    there is also salinity data but fewer people are interested in that.
    This being slashdot I'll also directly link Some of the engineering paramters we track.
    1. Re:Glider Info by OctaneZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      For more information also see our instrument information page.

  18. Amazing fuel efficiency by sploxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The vehicle has an amazing fuel efficiency!

    The batteries have a capacity of 13 MJ. That is the energy content of about 300g of gasoline (for 45MJ/kg).

    But the vehicle has a range of 4700km!

  19. Yeah, right. by MasonMcD · · Score: 2, Funny

    The two-meter-(6-foot)-long orange glider with a four-foot wingspan will slowly make its way northwest, crossing the Gulf Stream and reaching the continental shelf on the other side before turning around and heading back to Bermuda, where it will be recovered in July.

    I'll bet they just drop it with an anchor, follow some dots across a computer screen for laughs and the NSF grant committee, and come back in a few months to pick it up.

    It's probably just a big novelty display Sharpie somebody stuck some lawnmower blades on.

    1. Steal big tradeshow prop
    2. Add Ph.D. after your name
    3. Drop in the water to big fanfare
    4. Profit!

  20. Story behind the names Spray and Slocum by mamba-mamba · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see that the gliders are called "Spray," and "Slocum."

    The people behind this project are obviously big fans of Joshua Slocum and his voyage aboard the Spray.

    For those of you who don't know, around the end of the 19th century, Slocum, a lifelong mariner who found himself without a ship to command, rebuilt the derelict hull of a 30-foot fishing sailboat, christened her "Spray," and sailed her around the world alone.

    He wrote a book about it called, strangely enough, "Sailing Alone Around the World." The book came out long enough ago that it has now passed into the public domain and can be read online in its entirety at, among other places:

    http://www.arthur-ransome.org/ar/literary/slocum2. htm

    My favorite line from Slocum's book:

    "I had taken little advice from anyone, for I had a right to my own opinions in matters pertaining to the sea."

    Later, Bernard Moitessier, a sort of French sailing hero (though he grew up in Indochina) sailed around alone, too. He had several boats throughout his life, and made many voyages. He named one of his boats "Joshua" after Joshua Slocum.

    Moitessier wrote several books, all of which were translated into English.

    MM

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  21. Rat-In-A-Box Delivery System Prior Art by dohboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While an application of this technology could be used to stealthly deliver narcotics from South America or WMD from who-knows-where. With a zero sonar fingerprint, a submarine glider drone would be tough to stop.

    And if you that was absurd, recently a WWII Japanese submarine that was orginally intended to carry plague rats to America was just found off of Hawaii.
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/ 2002214428_sub21.html/