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Draft Guidelines for Space Tourists

IZ Reloaded writes "Draft guidelines for space tourists have already been written in the United States." From the article: "A paying customer will now be able to fly into space once he has been informed and accepts the risks of space travel. There are several factors to take into account, depending on whether a passenger is taking a speedy "pop top," up-and-down, suborbital voyage, versus climbing onboard space machinery to roar off into orbit for an extended stay."

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  1. U.S. Behind Russia? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Russia has had guidelines for their paying space tourists for a number of years:

    1. You must have a pulse (optional)
    2. Your check for $20,000,000 must clear before you launch whether you are a popstar or not.

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    1. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I mean like whats there seriously... Ohh wait, when we start running low on oils and other hydrocarbons on Earth(the ones we use to manufacture plastics and other industrial goods), we got a nice big giant "Hydrocarbon Planet" named Titan to visit for all of our plastics need.

      Plastics and other petroleum products can be synthesized using other sources of hydrocarbons. It is more complicated, energy intensive, of course more expensive; that is why petroleum is currently used. So when oil reserves are depleted there will still be plastics, but they won't be nearly as cheap as the are today.

      Maybe you didn't mean to, but you sound like an alarmist with this. Yes there will be huge problems as oil becomes scarce, but the disapearance of industrial polymers isn't one of them.

      Now to figure out how to get our ships to go at least .1c in a reasonable amount of time, VASIMR? Gas Dynamic Mirror Fusion? Or Fission Fragment Rocket? Or those lovely but slow Ion Drives?

      Theoretically, most of the propulsion systems you mentioned can get beyond .2*c, and in some cases up to even .5*c (I'm not very familiar with Gas Dynamic Mirror Fusion so I don't want to make claims on that one). However, none of the

      On thing about ion drives though, "slow" is somewhat of an misreprensentation. Their thrust is lower, but their Isp is so high that their "burns" can be days even weeks.

      A few years ago, I saw a comparision between the flight times of different hypothetical missions to Mars. Given the same payloads, the ion drive mission had a faster travel time, 3 to 4 months vs 6 for the chemical. The ion drives could actually attain a higher deltaV than the chemicals (even with gravity assist) because they can boost for much longer voyage.

      As far as interplanetary travel, unless something really unsual like warp engines or artifical wormholes becomes a reality, I would go with electrical propulsion. Specfically, large Holl-effect thrusters (similar ion drives, but using electro magnetic fields instead of charged grids that get worn away over time), with electrical generators in the megawatt range (nuclear or matter-antimatter generators). In engines like ion drives and Holl-effects, thrust scales with the potential difference you subject the charged particles of your exhaust to. Potentially, you can accelerate roughly half the distance. Then coast for a while, and reverse thrust to slow down enough to get to your destination.

      VASIMRs are interesting. However, their is quite abit of wear in the engines because technically the fuel is a shaped surface that is gradually ablated. Thus total time the engine can be run is limited. Holl-effects only need a supply of noble gases for fuel. Ion drives need both fuel and eventual replacement of grids, but these grids are far smaller and have far less mass than the cones of a VASIMR.

      Of course all of this is only tangential to the topic!

  2. Guideline by elgatozorbas · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) take enough clean underwear with you...

    1. Re:Guideline by fronthead · · Score: 4, Funny

      And don't forget your towel!

  3. classy by aendeuryu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For one, if you are in a critical crew position, your health problem could endanger the life of others. Secondly, on an orbital mission, your health problem could cause the mission director to have to make a difficult choice, Diamandis said, between your possible death or ending a billion dollar mission early, presuming that returning to Earth could save your life.

    Good to know the lawyers are getting a head start writing their closing arguments.

  4. Some SOUND advice... by nighty5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't Fart.

  5. Passenger Licenses? by Tekgno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What would be the best way to manage the medical requirements for travel?

    Would a sort of license work? This would save being rechecked for frequent flights.

    Wake me in a few years, until then, I'm going back to playing EVE online.

    1. Re:Passenger Licenses? by igrp · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Would a sort of license work? This would save being rechecked for frequent flights.

      To be honest, I don't quite see why would should impose any licensing restrictions for passengers.

      I mean we don't require a people to be certified to drive a race car - you don't even need a driver's license to do so. And you can certainly injure or kill yourself in a race car. And even when there are restrictions on who can perform a given sport (eg. you need a certification to go scuba diving in most places), that's usually a self-imposed rule. As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about scuba diving without such a certification (I could very well be wrong though).

      Requiring mandatory medical check ups for crew members - sure, I'm all for that. But if you're a passenger and you decide you want to shell out the money for a space flight, even though you're not really in good shape, then, well, that's your problem. As long as you understand what you're getting yourself into (and I'm quite sure they will make your sign a waiver), I don't see why the state or the federal government should get involved in that.

      Look at it this way: if I'm an 80-year-old guy with a heart problem, I probably shouldn't ride any rollercoasters. But the government certainly isn't stepping in to prevent me from doing it (yet).

    2. Re:Passenger Licenses? by disposable60 · · Score: 2, Informative

      we don't require a people to be certified to drive a race car
      Yes we do - at least for organized races in the US. The SCCA, NASCAR, CART/IRL, NHRA and AHRA all take licensing and qualification (and safety inspections) very seriously. I heard this one story about a racecar builder who got out of a major speeding ticket by, when the cop asked see his racing license, produced one.

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    3. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Fjornir · · Score: 2, Informative
      As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about scuba diving without such a certification (I could very well be wrong though).

      In my state I'm pretty sure that although it is legal to dive without a cert, no dive shop will fill your tanks -- too much liability risk?

      But really there's no reason not to get a scuba certification if you want to dive. They're cheap, not time consuming, and offer incredible value for the money. Note: the PADI Open Water Diver certification is, in the words of my instructor, a "learner's permit". My instructor made me promise to get the AOWD at an absolute minimum if I want to continue diving.

      It's a lot of fun. My dive certification was definately the coolest class I've ever taken. Even if you don't count the practical which, by the way, was fucking awesome. :) I'm starting up my AOWD cert really soon, after which I'll take my Rescue Diver and then probably stop. I've got no practical need for a pro cert like Divemaster and I am very unlikely to dive anywhere I'll need the MSD cert.

      And to anyone who thinks they can skip out on training: how deep can you go? how long can you safely stay down there? does your insurance cover decompression sickness? do you know that Divers Down only carries certified divers?

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  6. Research boon by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can strongly imagine that a major beneficiary of said services will be the Universitys and privately funded research projects .
    Once this has properly taken off (bad pun) with regular orbit or sub orbital flights, the benefits of having cheap reqular orbital research opertunitys is grand for smaller projects who could not afford to pay for time on one of the NASA missions or simmilar.
    This could herald in a new era in more than just rich recreation , if this is as sucesful as i can only imagine it will be , then im sure we will now begin to progress at a far greater rate in these areas.

    ps: this joke just writes itself here on slashdot "virgins in space "
    That was quickly followed by Sir Richard Branson, owner of Virgin Airlines, taking the wraps off Virgin Galactic. He plans to fly patrons into suborbital space within the next two or three years aboard a fleet of five passenger spaceships now under design by Scaled Composites. In licensing SpaceShipOne's technology, Branson wants to build the world's first private spaceship to go into commercial operating service.
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    1. Re:Research boon by StupendousMan · · Score: 2, Informative
      There are already relatively cheap launch vehicles for sub-orbital and orbital missions. Orbital Sciences Corporation offers several vehicles; the Pegasus places a payload in LEO for about $30 million. Eurockot (no, that's not a typo) uses Russian SS-19 ballistic missiles to send objects into LEO; the Canadian MOST satellite, for example. In the near future, the SpaceX Corp. will offer vehicles with launch costs between $6 and $20 million.

      For sub-orbital flights, NASA (and others) offer sounding rockets for just a few hundred thousand dollars per flight.

      University researchers already have a number of options. The astronomical research (in which I am involved) will certainly NOT be helped by adding a human to the payload, so this news story is irrelevant to us.

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  7. Re:Guideline Number 1: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take the metal tab and insert it into the buckle. Pull tightly across your waste.

    That's a good idea. You don't want shit flying around once you're in free fall. :P

  8. Safety vs. Privacy? by PornMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It'll be interesting to see how far the operators will go when performing the physical. Imagine the liability implications if they send a pregnant woman up into orbit and she later has a child with birth defects...

  9. Please Keep: by raynet11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Notice you must be at least 4ft 5in tall to ride. 1. Please keep your arms and legs in the vehical at all times 2. There is no eating, drinknig , or smoking while the ride is in operation. 3. Remain seated until the ride has come to a complete stop. 4. Exit to the left, thank you for riding space mountain.

    1. Re:Please Keep: by sharkey · · Score: 2

      5. The enemy's door is DOWN.

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  10. What is "space," anyway? by fronthead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't it seem a little bit pointless to just do one of those "pop top" flights into "space" since "space" is kind of an arbitrary thing? I would think it kind of an expensive indulgence just for some dubious bragging rights. Orbit I can understand; really really high and back down, not so much.

    1. Re:What is "space," anyway? by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Yeah. I so don't get this. If it was an actual space flight I might understand.

      1. Empty your bank account - this ain't gonna be cheap.
      2. Get fired up to an arbitrary height like so much luggage.
      3. ????
      4. Proudly tell the world "I'm an astronaut!"
      5. No profit step, sorry. (see #1)

    2. Re:What is "space," anyway? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I know a lot of people who go holidaying in all kinds of exotic locations. What do they do there? Exactly what they'd do somewhere closer to home - sit on a beach.

      I think there are plenty of people who just want it for the bragging rights.

    3. Re:What is "space," anyway? by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AFAIK Virgin galactic will be taking people up to 140km+ and they will be in freefall for approximately 4-6minutes. It would be rather fun, and its a way of investing in Virgin Galactic so that someday they could send people 400km+ into space for a full orbit, Or maybe even get people to and from one of the Bigelow Aerospace Hotels.

      Start small, and get bigger.

  11. Ah the land of free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..wants to take over space too eh?

    Anyway the rules:

    Rule 1: Please don't take photographs of the spy satellites.
    Rule 2: No one is to visit the moon landing place, until NASA checks out the first flight to there.
    Rule 3: There will be no sex in space thanks.
    Rule 4: All taxes must be fully paid before departing.
    Rule 5: No snack food is to be released into zero G.
    Rule 6: No smoking near the hydrogen gas.
    Rule 7: Intoxicated individuals will be flushed out the airlock.
    Rule 8: Please shake carefully when using the toliet facilities
    Rule 9: Any use of the Klingon language will result in a severe beating
    Rule 10: One way tickets shall no be sold, even to cult members.

  12. One questions remains by Nevtje(hr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which country would the guidelines be tied to by law? The country that launched the spacecraft, or some "Internation space law"?

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  13. EASY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Take any medical disclaimer form and replace the medical terms with space terms.

    You may die. This procedure could kill you. We may break your teeth. We may destroy or remove the wrong organ. The doctor may have to take a crap and distracted by /. on his PDA while in the WC may forget you exist. By signing here you waive our liability.

  14. get bent? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it now "officially" allowed. Last time I checked the US was NOT the world and no one but them has to stick to any rules they make unless supported by an international agreement or group.

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  15. Hmmm by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what the inflight movie will be? How bout "Apollo 13"?

    1. Re:Hmmm by will_die · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Airplane 2" of course.

  16. No but I... by raynet11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flight Eng: System failure level 2 switching to main aux for overide.
    Passenger: No its just a faulty sensor , shutdown tank three no overide needed.
    Flight Eng: Are you sure?
    Passenger: Yes proceed with the shutdown.
    Flight Eng: Check , shutting down tank three
    Whew, they didn't tell us you were an AE
    Passenger: I'm not , but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night..

  17. Death by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I really hope this doesn't all get shut down prematurely after the first person dies. I mean, I don't mean to be a Negative Nancy, but when this is first getting off the ground (no pun intended), there WILL be deaths, and they most likely will be very gruesome (think explosion, suffocation, or decompression).

    This is one time though that I hope the lawyers DO get heavily involved just so that one lawsuit doesn't bring this whole fledgling industry down in one fell swoop.

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  18. Race Car licences ARE required. by jimbro2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The (US) government does not (YET) require licences for race cars [thanks for bringing this oversight to our attention], but the various racing associations (Formula One, NASCAR) certainly do.

    That being said, I certainly agree with the rest of your comments. The trouble is, your comments are reasonable and thoughtful, governments rarely so.

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  19. Don't panic! by kkumer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just hope they've put "Don't Panic!" in a large friendly letters on a cover.

  20. In the wider context of Adventure Tourism by the+packrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder whether this was put together taking into account the recent, varyingly successful, lawsuits against earth-bound adventure tourism operators who provided white water rafting and rock climbing and who, despite all the no-liability clauses in their paperwork, manage to surprise the world by killing their customers periodically?

    Given that at least some of those lawsuits were successful (if memory serves), one wonders how much value escape-from-liability contracts really have, unless the US signs a bill similar to the no-lawsuits-of-fast-food-providers into law. Even then, they'd still be taunted by various international courts.

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  21. Re:D'oh by toggles · · Score: 2, Insightful

    though if you crack the window it would be gone pretty quick...

  22. Re:Money by GSAlien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same was the case when aeroplanes first came on the scene. The people who could not afford to fly (who were in the vast majority) simply were religated to much cheaper forms of transportations such as buses and trains. The same will happen here. As technology gets refined and more companies are competing in the marketplace, things will get cheaper.