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How the Secret Service Cracks Encrypted Evidence

tabdelgawad writes "The Washington Post offers this writeup about how the U.S. Secret Service uses a Distributed Network Attack program to crack encryption on computers and drives seized as evidence. How can brute force still succeed with 256-bit encryption, you ask? Customized password dictionaries from the seized computer's email files and browser cache: People still use non-random passwords."

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  1. Passwords?! by Enze6997 · · Score: 5, Funny

    King Roland: The combination is: one . . . Dark Helmet: One. Col. Sandurz: One. King Roland: Two . . . Dark Helmet: Two. Col. Sandurz: Two. King Roland: Three . . . Dark Helmet: Three. Col. Sandurz: Three. King Roland: Four . . . Dark Helmet: Four. Col. Sandurz: Four. King Roland: Five . . . Dark Helmet: Five. Col. Sandurz: Five. Dark Helmet: So, the combination is: one, two, three, four, five. That's the stupidest combination I ever heard in my life! That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

    1. Re:Passwords?! by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Note to self: Change combination on lugage when I get home.

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    2. Re:Passwords?! by ScoLgo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're lucky if you really have a 5-digit combo on your luggage. My cousin came to visit from Sweden a couple of years ago. He had locked his (most common) 3-digit combo lock before the 10-hour flight and then promptly forgotten the combination. It didn't take me long to start running through the 1000 possibles. Had it open in 10 minutes.

      He sure was happy to get to a clean pair of drawers. :)

      (Yes. I've seen Space Balls. And yes, the 1-2-3-4-5 combination joke is wearing pretty thin.)

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    3. Re:Passwords?! by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's always 24445 as a valid combination that can be spoken as 1-2-3-4-5... (One 2, Three 4s, 5).

      People always seem to stumble on that when they ask for my combination and I tell them that. Then I show them the correct combination and a light dawns on their heads...

    4. Re:Passwords?! by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope I never think any of my passwords are so clever that I feel compelled to tell everyone about them.

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    5. Re:Passwords?! by JustKidding · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, it isn't really all that stupid. It's a perfectly valid combination from a 5 digit set.
      If you were to exclude this, and many other "stupid" combinations, there would be very few left, which, therefor, would be stupid combinations, because you would only be using a small subset of the whole set of possible combinations.
      There is, for example, not a single 4 digit code (like a PIN number) that isn't somehow easy to remember when entering it into a keypad. There is always some clear pattern to remember.

    6. Re:Passwords?! by plover · · Score: 4, Funny
      INTER-OFFICE MEMO

      From: Info Security
      To: All staff
      Subject: Secure PIN requirements

      We have determined that you are using an insecure PIN, because it has a pattern in it.

      Through extensive research, our staff has determined that many PINs are insecure because they contain patterns, birthdays, anniversaries, etc. By excluding all combinations of duplicate numbers, keyboard-pattern entries, and significant numbers, we have determined that the most secure PIN you can use is 7439. Please change your PIN to 7439 immediately in order to ensure our company's assets are properly protected.

      Thank you for your cooperation.

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    7. Re:Passwords?! by ScoLgo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I work in the custom luggage industry. Most combo-lock mechanisms that I see are 3-digit. Yes, you can get locks with more digits but three is most common, (which is why I put "(most common)" in my post - maybe you missed that part? I kinda doubt that since you quoted it in your reply). But to answer your question; No, I don't believe there is a number shortage in Sweden at present. They are probably just conserving and planning for the day when there might be an actual number shortage. (Don't ask; it's a Swedish thing :).

      Also, keep in mind that most luggage has these things called 'handles'. If a thief really wants your stuff, they will grab it by the afore-mentioned 'handle', take it home, and drill the fucker open. IOW, luggage locks are only there to keep the honest people honest.

      Another thing: here in the States, you aren't allowed to lock checked baggage anymore. Airport screeners require that luggage be left unlocked to facilitate spot-checking of baggage. (Don't argue with this or you may well be labeled a terrorist.)

      (Cue swelling, patriotic music...)
      I, for one, sleep much better at night knowing that bags everywhere are unlocked and available for inspection by hordes of shiny-faced, wide-awake baggage inspectors all across this great land of ours.
      (Swelling patriotic music crescendoes...)

      </sarcasm>

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    8. Re:Passwords?! by utlemming · · Score: 2, Funny

      LOL! Actually, one of the funniest things that I saw was this paranoid freak at work. He has three or four different anti-spyware programs and just as many privacy programs. He didn't trust anyone. Except, his password was "2222" -- for everything. I was fixing his computer and asked him what his password was, and it was "2222." Email problems, password, "2222". Anyhow, I found it interesting that he had gone through great lengths to encyrpt all his data, and used the password of "2222." I would love to have seen how fast the DNA machine could crack this one.

      Secret Service Agent 1: "We'll, let's hope we get this back in..."
      Secret Service Agent 2: "DAMN! It was like 0.00041 seconds!"

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    9. Re:Passwords?! by theLOUDroom · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hope I never think any of my passwords are so clever that I feel compelled to tell everyone about them.

      Reminds me of one of my favorite userfriendly strips:

      Tech: Hello

      User: Hi, I need (some random tech support thing)

      Tech: Sure, what's your password?

      User: Asterix asterix asterix asterix asterix asterix

      Tech: (stunned silence)

      User: HA! You can't tell if I'm being stupid or clever.

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    10. Re:Passwords?! by hazem · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not in America. As the parent pointed out, you're no longer permitted to lock your baggage when you check it.

    11. Re:Passwords?! by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

      INTER-OFFICE MEMO

      From: Indianapolis Business Journal Headquarters
      To: Info Security
      Subject: You're fired

      It has come to our attention that 7439 written in base 20 is IBJ. It is our considered opinion that this is a brain damaged security recommendation for use here at the IBJ.

      Thank you, but your services will no longer be required. Goodbye.

      -

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    12. Re:Passwords?! by devilspgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I haven't bothered with locks on my last few flights (and you were still permitted locks at that time) -- Instead, I just used plastic ties.

      Security was quite willing to use my own plastic ties rather then their own, which meant I could still tell whether or not my luggage was opened again after it left my sight.

      Whether this still applies or not, I don't know.

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    13. Re:Passwords?! by Nine+Mirrors+Turning · · Score: 2, Funny

      ut to answer your question; No, I don't believe there is a number shortage in Sweden at present. They are probably just conserving and planning for the day when there might be an actual number shortage. (Don't ask; it's a Swedish thing :).


      Being swedish, is this something I should be aware of? Do I need to stock up on some numbers? Err, where do I get them? The numbers shops seems to be missing in the yellow pages.

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    14. Re:Passwords?! by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As the parent pointed out, you're no longer permitted to lock your baggage when you check it.

      No, you're entirely permitted to lock your luggage, just as the government inspectors are permitted and equipped to destroy your locks.

    15. Re:Passwords?! by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... asterix ...

      Must ... resist ... urge ... to .. correct ... joke ...

      Oh what the hell... It's asteriSK! Asterix is the hero of a famous belgian comic book...

  2. It's like social engineering, without the person by Phoenixhunter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds pretty logical to me.

  3. Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by iammaxus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why did they not keep their tactic of creating customized password dictionaries secret? Seems like they just gave potential criminals a big warning...

    1. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why did they not keep their tactic of creating customized password dictionaries secret? Seems like they just gave potential criminals a big warning...

      Because it doesn't matter one bit. Right now, most places where you must pick a password, there is already a warning that you shouldn't pick a word, pick something alphanumeric, something random. Nobody cares. If that doesn't change people's behaviour, this news story won't either.

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    2. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by saskboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Criminals are not going to write their own webbrower ap, or file sharing program, they will use a common comercially available package that the Intelligence community can use against them, just as script kiddies use the fact that Windows XP is the primary OS against law abiding people.

      And criminals, who are none-to-bright to begin with, aren't going to use a password like DSdfWe3421.

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    3. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by fitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since when does the Press care about what they publish? Case in point: the Press hears that the US military is tracking OBL by his use of a satellite phone. No further calls from the phone are ever made. Perhaps if the Press would have thought about what they were doing...

    4. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Because (a) there's a limit to how much secrecy a law enforcment agency can impose; (b) it makes them look good, because they're leveraging all those desktop computers instead of spending a lot of money on supercomputer time; (c) a technically-literate crook will already be assuming they do something like this; (d) technically-illiterate crook won't know how to respond anyway.

      Cops are certainly justified in keeping specifics of current investigations secret. But they can't and shouldn't keep their basic strategies and tools secret. We, who pay their bills, have a right to know whether they're intrepid technicops or bumbling fools.

    5. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by khrtt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A friend of mine ran crack over /etc/passwd on his physics department's unix system, successfully cracking 20% of the passwords on file. He sent the results to his sysadmin, with a note asking the sysadmin to implement crack system-wide, and was promptly reprimanded.

      On VAX VMS you had to pick a password from a list of randomly generated "pronouncable" strings, if I recall correctly. On many properly-managed UNIX installations the crack program is used to check the user's passwords and will not allow you to use a crackable one. Is there as option to allow only hard passwords on Windows? I honestly don't know...

      On the whole, soft password problem seems like a healthy n00b-usability-over-security type thing.

    6. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, you can mandate that users can only choose strong passwords.

      Windows 2000 and up, go into the Local Security Policy (in mmc). Look for "Require Strong Password" (or similar, its been a while).

      Why nobody uses it, I don't know.

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    7. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by Sepodati · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Requiring "strong" passwords just means users will write them down and put 'em under the keyboard.

      ---John Holmes...

    8. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by khrtt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, the people trying to hack into your system remotely won't be able to look under the keyboard.

    9. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by cptgrudge · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Why nobody uses it, I don't know.

      Because users are lazy and management doesn't always listen. At my last admin job (a school district), I wanted to use it, but staff was dead set against using strong passwords, or even changing passwords. Never mind that it was the same password for the user's pop email account, which was sent in cleartext. In vain, I complained loudly to administration that there needed to be changes to password policy and the email system.

      When I left, I'm pretty sure passwords were being compromised by some of the more technically inclined students. Eh, not my problem anymore.

      I'm just waiting for "grades for sale" popping up in the local news.

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    10. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by jon_oner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nobody uses it because all it takes is access to the HDD (think knoppix or other) and the Windows password is rendered utterly useless. The only way to secure a HDD from the Feds is using encryption that is illegal in the USA.

    11. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by bradleyland · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No one uses it because our support ques aren't setup to handle the volume of "I forgot my password" calls we'd get as a result of asking a user to remember anything other than their SSN, or birthdate, or anniversary, or "password".

      *dies*

    12. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by alcmaeon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "You should write them down on a card without giving away which passwords they are and then keep that card like a credit card: as if it were money."

      Cool, so when the Feds arrest you AND take your hard drive, they have many fewer choices since you conviently wrote your passwords on the back of a business card and stuck it in your wallet.

    13. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Also, the ones smart enough to have noticed this article are smart enough that they're already protecting their data better.

      Tell me about it. Now that I know what they are looking for I know what not to change my password too. It also gave me peace of mind knowing that the pass phrase I use to protect the shit that I don't want anyone knowing has nothing to do with any hobby I have nor is it in any tv program or book I've read.

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    14. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I write my passwords down in a custom cryptogram system. It takes me a while to decode them, but after doing it a few times, I tend to remember them better.

    15. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by scottv67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A friend of mine ran crack over /etc/passwd on his physics department's unix system, successfully cracking 20% of the passwords on file. He sent the results to his sysadmin, with a note asking the sysadmin to implement crack system-wide, and was promptly reprimanded.

      A friend of mine tried a lock-picking tool on the front door of every house in his subdivision, successfully opening 20% of the locked doors. He sent the results to the local police department, with a note asking that the lock-picking tool be tried on every door in town, and was promptly arrested.

    16. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by scottv67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the analogy is fundamentally flawed- violating someone's home is much more... serious.. than violating a computer.

      I take it you've never heard of HIPPA. Violating a computer system that results in the confidentiality of PHI being compromised is some pretty serious shit.

      I'd have to say that violating certain computer systems is more serious than violating a person's home.

    17. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by snuf23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "If you want to fire me for not buying into your password scheme, fine, but I hope you can show that your password scheme is more valuable to the company than what I do."

      When the company gets compromised through your insecure password and the coffers get emptied to an offshore bank in the Virgin Islands and you no longer get to collect a paycheck. I think that would be about the time.
      But then again, it would only be the IT staff that would get shafted and have trouble finding a new job. I'm sure the individual who chose the name of their dog as their password would have no problem finding new work.

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    18. Re:Isn't the effectiveness now compromised? by DrXym · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Oh they use it alright. I've worked for companies before now that force you change the password with various rules such as no dupes, must used mixed case, digits etc. This is fine once every 3 months but some do it every month which results in mass annoyance since no one can remember a password when it changes that often. Thus the solution for myself and others was the old "increment by one" trick or to write it down or to recycle old passwords on a rotating basis. A per month password policy is actually less secure 3 month one for this very reason.


      Linux can also enforce various rules through PAM and even warns you (in FC) when a password is guessable though I don't know if any dist actually mandates passwords based upon a strict set of rules.

  4. Not a problem for me by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Funny

    My password is totally unguessable - I mean, who else has the password asdjklf;@#$#@jjdakl?

    No - wait, I meant that *wasn't* my password! Hey, stop ssh'ing into my box! No - not my 20 GB of Sailor Moon music collection!

    Well, guess I'll have to use my backup password of qwurf$#@ff5a` from now on - No, wait -

    Damn it!

    1. Re:Not a problem for me by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft. Your password is unguessable? Try my nick!

  5. In other words.. by doormat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your password is something you've ever written on your computer, its likely they'll crack it? Interesting.... moral of the story: dont use words found in the dictionary as your password. Inject spaces or numbers or punctuation into the word if you do. And dont write it down on a sticky note under your keyboard.

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    1. Re:In other words.. by 14erCleaner · · Score: 4, Funny
      Inject spaces or numbers or punctuation into the word if you do. And dont write it down on a sticky note under your keyboard.

      Or just remove punctuation (like apostrophes).

      (Sorry....couldnt resist :)

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    2. Re:In other words.. by Homology · · Score: 2, Informative
      If your password is something you've ever written on your computer, its likely they'll crack it? Interesting.... moral of the story: dont use words found in the dictionary as your password. Inject spaces or numbers or punctuation into the word if you do.

      You can use dictinary words to generate strong passphrases that are fairly easy to remember. Check out How long should my passphrase be for a comparions of length of passphrase with physcial security.

  6. Now I don't look so crazy... by redmo · · Score: 5, Funny

    for having my hard drive encrypted by a key, on a flash drive, which is encrypted by a password that is generated randomly every five minutes and hased twice before I lock it in my safe deposit box.

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    1. Re:Now I don't look so crazy... by W3bbo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Law Enforcement can gain access to safety deposit boxes, so your plan is slightly flawed there.

    2. Re:Now I don't look so crazy... by thedustbustr · · Score: 2, Funny
      I hope you don't plan on actually accessing the information on your harddrive

      ......

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    3. Re:Now I don't look so crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why I store my jump drive in my ass, it comes in a handy suppository case!

    4. Re:Now I don't look so crazy... by The+Other+JoshG · · Score: 5, Funny

      Law Enforcement can gain access to your ass, so your plan is slightly flawed there.

  7. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by Rosyna · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which kind of makes much hard for conspiracy theories that the FBI/NSA/Secret Service require all these back doors into encryption software and/or operating systems. What's the point when humans are still the weakest link?

  8. Because people are stupid/lazy by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's always been known that a fully random password is more secure.

    But it's a bitch to remember, so people use easier-to-guess passwords anyway.

    Knowledge of this technique changes nothing. Any crook smart enough to use totally random passwords after this incident probably is already doing so.

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  9. Security = People not computers by breakbeatninja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In cases like this (and many others) security is only as strong as the person who manages it. Choose a weak password, choose weak security. I'm sure, however, if this information is public that their actual system is much more advanced. Sort of makes you wonder how sophisticated the NSA's equipment is.

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  10. I feel pretty safe under Fedora. by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use the built in crypto in Fedora (the device level encryption passed to a loopback file mounted under /enc). I doubt that, absent a key sniffer, my passwords would *ever* be discovered. I have some english words in them (most are long phrases with nonsense punctuation thrown in at several places), so I guess that could be some kind of issue. But overall, I feel pretty secure.

    Of course, I'm not actually defending any data that the government would care about, so it's all moot ;)

    (Unless the government has a pressing need to read my private journal about me bitching about how I can't get a date. In that case, those spooks are outta luck!)

    1. Re:I feel pretty safe under Fedora. by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, I'm assuming that. Obviously, if torture is in the realm of the possible, things get much worse. But there are then two kinds of data:

      Data whose exposure will end up with you being persecuted for.

      Data whose exposure will end up harming a cause you value above yourself.

      Torture is a great way for getting either of those, but it will work at 100% efficiency for type 1. Example: assume that me bitching about a girl who threatened to kick my ass if I asked her out (not to imply that this event actually occurred or anything) is a crime punishable by something bad. If the system is so broken that I can be tortured to reveal the password, then it stands to reason that it is so broken that they can inflict "something bad" on me without trial, confession, evidence, or not.

      In other words, type 1 data is useless to the government that can torture and endlessly imprison: they already have that power, and that's all type 1 data wins you.

      But if you are a captured CIA agent in China, now you have to worry about type 2 data- something that is important to someone besides you. That changes your rules somewhat as well.

      Anyone know how that steganographic filesystem is coming?

    2. Re:I feel pretty safe under Fedora. by Quixote · · Score: 5, Funny
      Unless the government has a pressing need to read my private journal about me bitching about how I can't get a date. In that case, those spooks are outta luck!

      ... and so, it appears, are you. ;-)

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  12. So, to interpret this article: by reality-bytes · · Score: 5, Interesting



    The U.S. Secret Service is having success with breaking keys using dictionary-attacks.

    Now, reading between the lines:

    The U.S. Secret Service has just perfected a brilliant new method of brute-forcing 256-bit keys in a matter of minutes using the same processing power as a pocket calculator.

    Therefore the previous dictionary-attack system can safely become public knowledge.

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    1. Re:So, to interpret this article: by chriguhose · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, no...

      thanks to the patriot act, they do not need any decryption methods anymore. Because every system sold since 2001 is bugged when leaving the factory.

  13. Re:I bet they can't crack this! by tbase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, not until you put it in my browser cache. Thanks a lot, buddy.

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  14. Computer users are stupid - details at 11 by 14erCleaner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This ties in nicely with the "BBC Writer Tries PC Repair" thread. Most people don't understand their computer's software, even if they're criminals trying to hide evidence, apparently.

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  15. no shit by bdigit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "People still use non-random passwords."

    What's easier to remember, Your dogs name or z*4jhDm28&:1~. Now I will wait for someone to reply with "but my dogs name is z*4jhDm28&:1~"

    And you know what happens when people use a random password? They write it down and either put it in their top desk draw or on a nice post-it note on their monitor.

    1. Re:no shit by Slashdot+is+dead · · Score: 4, Funny

      My parents only let me use alphanumerics to name my dog.

    2. Re:no shit by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can use a randomly generated pronouncable "word" that is a basically a pronouncable mixture of consonants and vowels. You'll need to use, say, twice the length to get the security of a purely random password, but its much easier to remember.

    3. Re:no shit by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And you know what happens when people use a random password? They write it down and either put it in their top desk draw or on a nice post-it note on their monitor

      Not everyone does that... Personally, I open a text editor, enter well-mixed gibberish until I find a key sequence that "feels" comfortable to type, then type it over and over until my fingers remember it.

      I couldn't actually tell you my passwords, and could swear to that in court without perjuring myself... "I" simply don't know them. But I can type them with no problem.


      Also, another trick that I recommend everyone adopt for their own security... Memorize three "good" passwords (as in, more-or-less indistinguishable from a string of random characters). Use one for public purposes (ie, normal websites), one for normal moderate security use (normal user accounts at work and home), and reserve the last one for root/admin accounts and online financial sites.

      Now, that alone will do better than nothing, but one further very easy to remember step will make each one very nearly as good as a separate random string for every single one - Pick an arbitrary character (or two) of your password, and replace them with something about the place you use it. For example, you might change the fourth and seventh characters for the last two letters in the name of the site or machine.

      Combining those, you have a basically secure password that you can easily remember, and having one use of it compromised reveals absolutely nothing. Only someone that knows at least two of them has any shot at all of guessing the rest, and even then, only within one of your three classes of password.


      Of course, personally, I've simply memorized how to type around two dozen "good" passwords. But for those who don't feel quite so paranoid, the above works rather well.

    4. Re:no shit by z*4jhDm281 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but it is my Slashdot username!!! (apparently, slashdot doesn't allow colons, ampersands or tildes)

    5. Re:no shit by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 2

      I couldn't actually tell you my passwords, and could swear to that in court without perjuring myself... "I" simply don't know them. But I can type them with no problem.

      I believe you, as I've run into that situation before (not knowing the password but being able to type it perfectly without thinking too hard about it)

      However, good luck convincing a judge of that.

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    6. Re:no shit by Mumpsman · · Score: 2

      I'm the same way. If someone asked me what my password is I'd need to have a keyboard in front of me to figure it out. My fingers know it's (SHIFT + key,key,key release SHIFT key,key,key SHIFT + key,key) but the actual combination of numbers, letters, special chars and cases is unknown to "me".

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  16. Secret Services Cracks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the Secret Services Cracks Encrypted Evidence

    Looks like someone used Microsoft's Grammar Checker to create the headline.

  17. Passphrases get around this by PxM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dictionary attacks and other brute force attacks still don't work too well on passphrases so those who use them can protect their drug money for a little while longer. It should also be noted that the DNA attack won't work unless the Secret Service has your private key file. The actual encryption can't be broken easily so they have to attack the weak encryption on the digital private key that's stored on your computer. If the key is stored in a manner that they can't get to it, then your data will still be safe. E.g. the key is stored on an IC in the computer that self destructs if it is tampered with like IBM's ultra-paranoid laptops. The IC would detect a brute force attack and destroy the key.

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    Wired article as proof

  18. Random by IPFreely · · Score: 5, Funny
    If I thought these guys had any since of humor at all, I'd make a 1.5 Gb file of random binary from a random number generator and store it in a file with a suspicious name.

    Of course I'd probably end up in Camp-XRay being tortured for the password. That's not where I want to spend my summer vacation.

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    1. Re:Random by drspliff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even better would to have a spare hard disk, fill it with 100 different random 1gb files, all with random names, then store all your 'insert highly illegal topic' data in one of those files.

      Then for additional measure, have a process running in the background that modifies the access time and modification time randomly on all of them.

      The bottom line is, anybody who actually wants to secure their data, and make it almost impossible for anybody to recover it will probably already be doing this.

      The article is refering to average joes who think encrypting their stuff will make it more secure (as you can tell by the wording of the article).

    2. Re:Random by TheCoop1984 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That does emply one extra layer of security - cat the encoded file onto a block of random data, then when you want to access the encrypted stuff, use dd to get the blocks that are actual data and put it on a tmpfs, then decrypt as normal. They'll have to work out where the random data ends and the encrypted data starts before they can actually start to decrypt it

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  19. Re:You think? by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "This is probably because people still have non-random memories."

    Pfff. I can remember the opcode for the 6502 halt-catch-fire instruction. I can't, however, remember what I had for breakfast. How's that for random?

  20. Private Dictionaries by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's becoming increasingly clear that human language facility is mostly a giant system of cross references. Sometimes those references attach to other experiences outside the language network, like other sensations and actions. But the language itself is a highly flexible collection of weighted references. There's no intrinsic "meaning" to the words and other language elements, just our shared experiences, including our experience of language itself. These private dictionary attacks are an extremely sophisticated attack on the very human space of personal language constraints.

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  21. Tron by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, it's amazing that Kevin Flynn had such trouble getting the info he needed to hang Ed Dillinger out to dry, considering that the password for the Master Control Program was "master".

    I guess we've come a long way in the past quarter century. Except when it comes to choosing passwords.

    1. Re:Tron by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You know, it's amazing that Kevin Flynn had such trouble getting the info he needed to hang Ed Dillinger out to dry, considering that the password for the Master Control Program was "master".

      That's bad, I'll grant you - but the guys running the Jet Alone project set the main password granting full control over their nuclear-powered giant mech to a four-letter dictionary word. No wonder Ritsuko 0wn3d them so easily...

      (Two-letter, if they weren't using the Roman alphabet. No, I'm not saying what the password was; this ain't Usenet, and I don't think he greps himself so often these days, but I still don't want to summon him up...)

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  22. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What's the point when humans are still the weakest link?

    Especially when all they have to do is offer them chocolate before they bust them;-)

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  23. Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You don't have to use random passwords to be secure. Slightly modified acronym passwords tend to be almost as good as completely random passwords, and people tend not to mention the phrase that the acronym is from very often.

    For example, a password 'JWfimf#aIgtVae' is about as good as random; and yet, it's simply an acronym for "Juffo-Wup fills in my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues." with a hash sign thrown in for good measure. Any Star Control II fan would have an easy time remembering it after just a couple uses.

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    1. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Rei · · Score: 3, Funny

      Way too long to type. I personally wouldn't want to spend all day trying to type in my password without error; I'd much rather be out playing frungy or something.

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      I once listened to a Philip Glass record for an hour and a half before I realized it was skipping.
    2. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing I've never seen anyone suggest (but works great for me) is geometric patterns on the keyboard for memorable "random passwords". Type these out and you'll see what I mean:

      zaq12wsx
      mko09ijn
      r5t6y7u8
      vfr45678uhb

      etc.

      Remember the shape & you're good to go.

    3. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Congratulations, the secret service now has a larger dictionary ;)

      While we're giving away our secrets, if your physical memory of both dvorak and qwerty, you could use a word typed out on a qwerty keyboard using dvorak positions. (or vice versa.) Typing it would simply be a matter of recalling the right keymapping to touchtype and ignoring whats written on the letters.

    4. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too easy to crack. If only a few people are using it, it's ok, but if it became widespread, the search space is just too narrow, unless you start choosing really complex patterns, in which case you might as well just use a random password.

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      I once listened to a Philip Glass record for an hour and a half before I realized it was skipping.
    5. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, another problem with geometric passwords: they're *very* easy to see looking over someone's shoulder. Trust me - I used one back in high school, and before long had all my friends logging on to my account :P

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      I once listened to a Philip Glass record for an hour and a half before I realized it was skipping.
    6. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by JustKidding · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to use a L0pthcrack (LC4 by @Stake) proof password on my w2k box. It contained a non-printable ascii character (alt + keypad combination), that LC4 doesn't scan for, and you can't enter it in the custom search range field.
      I stopped using it because I suspect it caused problems with authentication over a network (w2k + xp prof).
      I don't know if LC5 (just noticed a new version is out) is able to find it.

    7. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by syukton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here at Microsoft they have strong passwords enabled and they force you to change passwords every 70 days, and it keeps a list of your most-recent passwords and disallows selecting one of them. After my first 70 days I got the little password change dialog. I tried a few things to no avail and then settled on: Micr0$hizzle -- a 12-character password with a digit and a punctuation symbol. I chuckled to myself every day I logged on for 70 days. I find that leet-icizing common words makes for really nice passwords. Frequently, when setting up new systems, I give the administrator account some variant of "password" such as "P4$$w0rd" or the like.

      The number of possible options for a password is [number of valid characters in a given position] to the power of [number of positions]. A one character all lowercase password has only 26 possibilities. Upper or lowercase and it's 52. Two characters upper and lower case is 2704 possibilities. Upper and lowercase (52), 0-9 (10), the associated punctuation marks (10), curly/angled/square brackets (6), comma, period, question mark, forward and backward slash, tilde, quote, double quote, backquote, semicolon, colon (11). That's 52 + 10 + 10 + 6 + 11 or 89 possible characters per position. Most of the punctuation marks aren't ever used though, so let's give a conservative 78 possible characters.

      For a base-78 password:
      1 character is 78 possibilities
      2 characters is 6084 possibilities
      3 characters is 474552 possibilities
      4 characters is 37015056 possibilities,
      5 characters is 2887174368 possibilities,
      6 characters is 225199600704 possibilities, ...
      12 characters is 50,714,860,157,241,037,295,616 possibilities. That's 50 septillion, for anyone keeping track.

      Anything can be a good password.

      Devout catholic? How about Pop3J0hnP4ul! (13 chars) or Bish()pFr3d? (12)
      Animal lover? Il0ved0g5! (10).

      So on and so forth. Just take a word or a phrase and leeticize (that's my new favorite nonce word of the day) it so it still reads more or less the same. Then the password can be remembered visually and likened to an easily recognized word or phrase and look less like a random jumble of characters. I wouldn't at all mind if people used their pet's name to help them remember the sequence of characters in their password, but I don't think people should use their pet's names AS their passwords. If the dog's name is Bartholomew, the password would be B4r+hol0m3w! (the exclamation point is part of the password, making it 12 characters).

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    8. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about "fuck off pig?" That way when they ask you under oath what you pass word is you can sincerally tell them what it is and what they can do.

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    9. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by John-D · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, those are all horrible. If it is based on a real word, it will be tried first.

      Any good cracking program will substitute $ for S, 4 for A, 3 for E, 7 for L, so on and so on.
      This problem is even easier if (like most places, hopefully not microsoft) your IT dept still uses NTLM passwords for window auth. The password algorithm breaks your character into 2 7-char halves and generates a hash via DES. So your great 12 char password is really one 7 character and one 5. The 5 character part will be broken in under 1 hour ( I broke the NP4UL! portion of your password as I typed this; 7minutes, 27 seconds). Even worse are "policies" that enforce 8 character passwords under Windows. Guess how long it takes to 'break' a 1 character password. Those passwords halves are also non-salted and only DES. DES is made to be fast. look up some of the magic you can do with the MMX registers to make DES really fast in certain circumstances - where you are breaking about 60 or more password halves at once.
      So if you have a list you are in luck because you can now compare the hash of the half you just broke with all the other halves in the list. Then you may save it off into a database to look up next time you are cracking passwords. Pre-calculation and other methods (so-called Rainbow tables) make cracking these passwords even easier.

      Regular crypt passwords under Linux are almost as bad, except the salt makes them much more resistent to pre-calculation.
      MD5 passwords under Linux are much more robust if you choose a moderately hard password; as all of the characters in your password count towards the hash, and MD5 is SLOW compared to DES.

      My advice is to generate a random password and use that. Include non-printables (alt + numpad). Avoid real words. Write it down and keep it on you until you remember it; 3-4 uses for me usually does the trick. Play with John The Ripper - it does ntlm passwords now.

      PS If you use samba, its passwords are also stored in NTLM format; so you should use a different password than your standard MD5 Linux login.

    10. Re:Acronym passwords are a good compromise by provolt · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't really think that 'leeticizing' a dictionary word is a very good scheme. Most of the good password cracking tools check for that. Most of them will check for common things like changing 's' to '$' or changing 'a' to '@'. It's really just another substitution (like going through the various capitalization schemes). It may slow down the programs, but not in a significant way.

      I agree that it is better to do this than to not do it, but using dictionary words (or simple substitutions based on dictionary words) is just a bad idea.

  24. Still won't work. by khasim · · Score: 2, Informative
    The average person has a vocabulary of only about 25,000 words.

    Even allowing for a 10 character word length and 4 randomizations per word (letters, numbers, spaces) that's still under a million variations.

    From the article:
    Each computer in the DNA network contributes a sliver of its processing power to the effort, allowing the entire system to continuously hammer away at numerous encryption keys at a rate of more than a million password combinations per second.
    So that's less than 25,000 seconds to crack your password.

    416 minutes

    approximately 7 hours

    People just cannot memorize enough randomness to defeat that kind of attack.
    1. Re:Still won't work. by Homology · · Score: 4, Interesting
      People just cannot memorize enough randomness to defeat that kind of attack.

      Erh, yes they can : The Diceware Passphrase Home Page

  25. Do you have to give up passwords? by rnelsonee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always wondered this: If your computer is siezed, but the incriminating data is encrypted, do you have to give the password to decrypt it? I'd imagine not, since it would be self-incrimination. But it seems like a lot of people get caught with having illegal stuff on their hard drives. Are they just not encrypting their data? I can see someone not knowing how to encrypt a cache of internet files (kiddie porn or something), but wouldn't most people who attract this kind of attention just keep stuff locked up? Anyone know how well Macs auto-encryption stands up (whenever you log out, all personal files are encrypted using a 256 bit key or something)? It's one feature I think is really neat with Mac OS X on my brand new Mini.

    1. Re:Do you have to give up passwords? by MoTec · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now, IANAL or anything... But from what I understand, a Judge can basically subpoena your password from you. If you refuse to disclose it you can be found in contempt of court and jailed.

      Of course you can claim to have forgotten it, what with the trauma of the arrest and all.

    2. Re:Do you have to give up passwords? by robertjw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you don't give up your password, I think they can get you on obstruction of justice.

      Which MIGHT be better than racketeering charges...

  26. Two Words: SETEC ASTRONOMY by wernst · · Score: 2, Funny

    It looks like they figured it out after all. I just hope Martin is OK...

  27. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by Ayaress · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It all comes back to the old axiom: If you rob a bank, make damn sure you pay your taxes.

    The basic idea is, if you break the law, you cover every hole you can think of, no matter how trivial. Just like Al Capone should have paid his taxes, criminals (and everybody else for that matter) today need to start using better passwords.

  28. Filevault by tdvaughan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone have any ideas on how well FileVault in Mac OS X would stand up to this? Seems to me that with a strong, unique password it would be pretty much unbreakable since the entire home directory is encrypted.

  29. Choosing a password. by bmalia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Enter a new password: ***** [penis]

    Sorry, your password is not long enough.
    Enter a new password:

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  30. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    criminals (and everybody else for that matter) today need to start using better passwords

    Well, OK, so you're talking about this in more or less academic terms... but, I'd say that what criminals really need to do (um, espcially the ones that are smart enough read up on this sort of thing) is to use their brains for, say, something other than crime.

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  31. Passphraes and diceware by Get+Behind+the+Mule · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Passphrases are the only sensible solution I've ever heard of for divising keys that are both relatively easy to remember and sufficiently random so as to be secure. A random string of characters cannot be reliably memorized. Any word, no matter in what language and no matter how obscure, can be cracked by a dictionary attack. A sequence of words chosen at random can be memorized, and if it's about six or seven words long, is probably beyond the reach of cracker software, even the Secret Service's.

    One of the best ways I've seen to construct a secure passphrase is Diceware. Arnold Reinhold constructed a list of about 7500 words of up to six characters in length. Roll five dice to pick out a word in the list; do this a few times to create a passphrase, commit the phrase to memory, and burn anything you might have written down. He calculated that if you choose a passphrase consisting of seven words this way, you have about 90 bits of entropy, which a cracker probably couldn't break in this lifetime. His sample phrase is cleft cam synod lacy yr, which probably takes some practice to memorize, but it can be done.

  32. Re:256-bit encryption? by bofkentucky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've never seen the "shoot here to destroy" stickers that Uncle sam sticks on his computers, usually they are just slightly off center of the hard drive spindles, not sure how a multi-disk box gets tagged, but its probably in a similar manner.

    Remember that P-3 that landed in chicom airspace back in 2000/2001, supposedly hammers were used to beat the interior of that bird all to hell when the pilot realized they weren't going to make it to a safe landing area.

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  33. How To Make Easy Random Passwords by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This might not be new to some, but it's quite easy to create random passwords that you can remember, although, I suppose you could argue that they are not completely random. Anyway, here goes:

    1. Think of a sentence that you can remember, e.g., "My two lovely kids Spike and Mary eat noodles every day!"
    2. Take the first letter of each word and use some common substitutions: "M2lkS&Mened!" - Bingo, not only is it a pretty random collection of letters but it includes numbers, upper case and lower case mixed and even punctuation. All lovely stuff to blunt brute force password attacks.
    3. When you type it in, say the sentence to yourself in your head. It's really quite easy to remember that way. Also, you can even just about get away with writing it down (in an office environment) and not many people will understand it. Of course, I don't recommend this but people are people.
    4. Don't forget to dump the sentence every few months or so and make up a new one. It's no big deal, they're easy to remember.

    Hope that helps some.

    1. Re:How To Make Easy Random Passwords by SmokeHalo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I read an article from SecurityFocus a while back that had the suggestion of using song lyrics as a password. In the example it gave, the first line from Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" was used. Thus the line:
      There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
      Becomes
      Talwsatgig

      Of course, you would then add in caps, numbers, or non-alpha characters as you see fit. And if you're thinking of hanging the "decryption key" on your cube wall, it's much less conspicuous with song lyrics than a sentence such as the parent's example.
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  34. Password is not correct by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

    At my former job, one of the programs we used would return "Password is not correct" if you input the wrong password.

    So, for a month, my password was "correct".

    Hey, at least I had a handy reminder if I ever forgot what it was. :P

    1. Re:Password is not correct by One_6453 · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the exact same reason my powerbook password is "shakes"

  35. Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    20 GB of Sailor Moon music collection!

    Looks like your password is the least of your problems....

  36. Re:L337 Speak by vorovsky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't ever work... microsoft already spoiled that one.

  37. Eat this! by Maradine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, SS!

    Go stick a pig
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    and you mother, too!

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    1. Re:Eat this! by The+Slashdolt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine

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  38. Re:You think? by pilkul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the best solutions I've seen is to use tier passwords plus a case-dependent "salt". For example your base low-security password could be the string "HB9y1a" (possible to remember when you use it for 10 different things), and then you can append the first two letters of the site you're using. So for slashdot your password would be "HB9y1asl". Of course you don't have to do exactly this; invent your own variant for extra obscurity.

  39. OMG! by temojen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Unlike other distributed networking programs, such as the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence Project -- which graphically display their number-crunching progress when a host computer's screen saver is activated -- DNA works silently in the background, completely hidden from the user. Lewis said the Secret Service chose not to call attention to the program, concerned that employees might remove it.

    "Computer users often experience system lockups that are often inexplicable, and many users will uninstall programs they don't understand," Lewis said. "As the user base becomes more educated with the program and how it functions, we certainly retain the ability to make it more visible."

    Wait... Secret Service employees have administrator rights? This is just wrong. Their IS department should know better.

    1. Re:OMG! by temojen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or lock the pages. UID 0 processes can do this in Linux; I assume it works in windows too (with a different API).

  40. An end to word-based passwords! by caryw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Any password based on a word is inherently flawed.

    A much better way to create passwords is based on finger movements. For example, the index finger horizontal rows on the keyboard give a password such as: r f v u j m (type that password in notepad or something and you'll see what I mean)

    This is a very simple example of finger movement passwords. Much more complex passwords can be created by alternating fingers (r u f j v m), or using more fingers in the pattern.

    I personally use a password that is 12 characters long that I have no problem typing but I couldn't recite if my life depended on it.

    Just make sure you don't inadvertently encounter a dvorak keyboard layout!
    - Cary
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    1. Re:An end to word-based passwords! by patio11 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Please, please, please do not use "finger-movement passwords". There are OSS programs which take the QWERTY keyboard layout and apply a variety of non-random walks over it to generate password dictionaries -- they're even less secure than picking a random word out of an unabridged English dictionary. Why? Simple -- the entropy sucks, royally (keyspace quickly collapses because knowing character n of the password makes the number of choices for n+1 really, really small).

      There "may or may not be", make of that what you will, vastly more sophiscated efforts thrown at this by certain interested parties with large staffs of people with decades of practical hacking experience whose sole job is gaining access to data.

      Finger-movement passwords are just another security-through-obscurity: you've got to pray that they don't check for one, because if they check for one you'll be busted.

  41. Re:You think? by krough · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Since I can type, I started taking normal "dictionary" words and retyping them with my fingers all shifted one key to the right. It feels like I'm typing the word correctly, but it ends up being a "random" string of letters.

    For example: "master" would be ",sdyrt"

    Easy to remember and much more secure.

  42. Re:that's all about the brute force by crimethinker · · Score: 4, Funny
    There's another one my former boss (an Iranian emigree in 1977) told me.

    Three guys from the CIA, Mossad, and the Iranian Secret Police have a competition. Each of them has a burlap sack, and must go into the jungle to capture a wild boar. The CIA goes first. 30 minutes later, he's back, with a wild boar in the sack. Mossad goes next, and he comes back in just 15 minutes with a similar catch.

    The Iranian Secret Police goes next. He's back in 2 minutes. The CIA and Mossad are shocked. "No, you can't have alreayd caught a wild boar."

    "Open the sack and see for yourself." The CIA and Mossad look in the bag and see a rabbit with cigarette burns, bruises, cuts, and possibly a few broken bones.

    "That's not a boar, that's a rabbit. You lose."

    On hearing this, the rabbit shrieks out, "no!!!!!! I'm a wild boar! I've been a wild boar for seven years. I can give you the names of other wild boars who are still loose in the jungle!"

    -paul

    --
    Pistol caliber is like religion: everyone has their favourite, and theirs is the only right choice.
  43. Reminds me of a story... (offtopic) by hanshotfirst · · Score: 5, Funny
    A minister wakes one Sunday morning to a bright sunny day. He decides to play hooky for a day, and calls his Jr. Pastor to cover services for him as he is very sick.

    He then proceeds to get his golf bag and head for the links. The course is beautiful, the sun is shining, and his game is great.

    Up in heaven, St. Peter asks God "Aren't you going to do something about this?" God replies, "Wait and see."

    As the round of golf continues, the minister is shooting the best game of his life. On the 18th tee, The minister swings... God commands the ball and it bounces off the water, out of a bunker, and right into the cup.

    St. Peter is incredulous. "Why are you REWARDING this man for shirking his duty!? I don't understand?!"

    God replies "Who's he going to be able to tell about it?"

    --
    Why, oh why, didn't I take the Blue Pill?
  44. Re:256-bit encryption? by Rolan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Remember that P-3 that landed in chicom airspace back in 2000/2001, supposedly hammers were used to beat the interior of that bird all to hell when the pilot realized they weren't going to make it to a safe landing area.

    No supposedly, it was. Aircraft with sensitive data or equipment on them always have one of two pieces of simple hardware nearby. Either a sledge hammer, or a regular hammer (for smaller craft). Sometimes several of them. In case of landing somewhere unfriendly, swing repeatedly. On aircraft, where applicable, there's typically an easy way to erase/ruin any data, magnetic storage medium, film, etc.

    Ground locations that might be "taken over" and have classified data/equipment have at least: 1 55 gal drum, some liquid that burns well, and a lighter. The above can be replaced with an easy to access incinerator (sometimes both are present). There is a very specific burn procedure that people that work there tend to have to memorize. They start with the most sensitive and keep burning until the lunch order is gone or they're disabled and can't.

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    - AMW
  45. Political speech it may be by aristus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...it was also rude, crude and content-free. Here's a tip: dissent works best when it doesn't sound like it comes from a pissed-off sophomore.

    As for Chavez, he has done his share of dissent-crushing and deportations and indoctrination. Just because he is "against" the "neo-libs" doesn't excuse some of his actions. Venezuela sells a good chunk of its oil to the States -- they may be at loggerheads but they still do a lot of business together.

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    Sometimes seventeen/Syllables aren't enough to/Express a complete
  46. Even easier... by trazom28 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worked for a major retailer for a time. My first walk thru the financial auiting department found passwords post-it'd to monitors in plain sight, or just under the keyboard/in the top drawer. In the FINANCIAL AUDITING department.

    The building at the time was not that secure. You could walk in off the street.

    Yep.. the human factor is rarely correctable.

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    {} ------ When I think of a good sig, I'll put it here
  47. TRANSLTR? by Xarius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Any of you read Dan Browns Digital Fortress?

    Basically in this novel the NSA has a secret computer called TRANSLTR, the most powerful computer in the world, that simply brute-forces anything it comes across in 6 minutes. something like 20 million processors or some such large number...

    Read it, it's good for people of a paranoid frame of mind ;)

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    C17H21NO4
  48. Liked him much better when he was on The Munsters by jpellino · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The effort started nearly three years ago to battle a surge in the number of cases in which savvy computer criminals have used commercial or free encryption software to safeguard stolen financial information, according to DNA program manager Al Lewis."

    Oh, how the might have fallen...

    --
    "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
  49. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nah, they just need to steal more so they become revolutionaries or businessmen. "One lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns"- The Godfather.

  50. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by Captain+Scurvy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hah! This article is supposed to make us think that our encrypted documents are generally safe from their prying eyes if we use more complicated passwords. They still have back doors.

    Think about it: this article would just encourage high profile targets to use 30+ characters of random garbage for their keychain passwords, rendering their methods next to useless. They're not that stupid.

    "How did you break that 256-bit encryption so fast?"
    "With our mad deadly worldwide gangster communist frankenstein distributed computing network, bitch."

    Tin foil is still the best buffer.

  51. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Logic fails you.

    "Criminals with enough money are businessmen" and
    "Businessmen with enough money are criminals"
    are two different statements. I do not agree with both. HOWEVER, often the means of accumulating large sums of money are closer to crime than should be allowed. Skirting the rules of groups as a whole and "morality" is rewarded too often within the boundaries of our current social systems. I don't particularly believe in morality but i have to sleep with my own dreams, which means I'm not rich and slightly bitter that I'm smart enough to have bad ones when I do bad things.

    Quit dragging me off topic with your 'karma to burn' self.

  52. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    From http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf :

    Line 21
    Other Income

    Use line 21 to report any income not reported elsehwere on your return or other schedules....

  53. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which kind of makes much hard for conspiracy theories that the FBI/NSA/Secret Service require all these back doors into encryption software and/or operating systems. What's the point when humans are still the weakest link?

    This is true. Somewhat related to the story about the golfing minister: If the NSA has all these great backdoors, who can be trusted with them.. Certainly not mainstream LEA. Certainly your local copper and most FBI agents are just everyday civil servants.. giving them the resources to backdoor major encryption schemes is as good as giving everyone the capability.

    Regardless of what some top minds/admins at the NSA can do, most of LEA is in the "them" camp and must work within the same limitations as the rest of us.

  54. Re:Reminds me of a story... (even more offtopic) by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny
    So a guy walks into a church and goes to confession. He tells the priest: "Father, I'm 75 years old, and I've been happily married and faithful for 50 years. I have two children in their thirties and I've never cheated on my wife. Until yesterday. I was driving down the street and saw these two hot 20-year old coeds hitchhiking. I picked them up and drove them to a hotel. They convinced me to join them in the hotel where I proceeded to have sex with both of them for the next two hours."

    The priest is quiet for a moment and then says, "are you sorry for your sins?"

    The man replies, "Sins? What do you mean?"

    The priest sounds concerned. "What do I mean? What kind of Catholic are you?"

    The man replies, "Catholic? Father, I'm Jewish!"

    The priest is incredulous. "Well then why are you telling me this?

    The man replies, "are you kidding? I'm telling everybody!"

  55. Way to create secure passwords. by ltbarcly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here is a way I just thought of to create secure passwords. It seems good enough. It has the benefit that you can derive your password easily without making it less secure at all.

    Pick some english words. It doesn't matter at all what they are, so long as the number of repeated letters is low. It can even be a phrase. In fact, it can be your name if you like, but it is better to just pick some words that you can remember.

    Pass Phrase: MikeyJohnFatDug

    Now you apply a group permutation to this. There are n! different permutations for a Pass Phrase with n unique characters. So the above has 15 unique characters, there are 15! = 1307674368000 ~= 13 *10^11 different permutations.

    It is possible to order the permutations in a unique way. So now you just pick a number between 1 and 13*10^11. This seems hard right? Well, maybe not. Pick an equation and then use the first however many significant digits. If you don't want to remember how many digits you used, just find an equation that has a value within the range, and chop the decimal part. Of course you need to write a short script to tell you what permutation corresponds to the number you choose.

    Example Permutation: Pi^Pi^Sqrt[3] = 18878025475.0620 so the permutation is 18878025475.

    Now, you apply permutation 18878025475 to MikeyJohnFatDug, and whatever that gives you is your password. Memorize it. If you forget it derive it again.

    With 15 characters made from 4 words as above, there are approx. n! * (25000 choose 4) different passwords possible. This assumes the attacker knows the length of the password AND how many words are in it AND how you made it. Without this knowledge the password is basically as strong as a random string, and with this knowledge they are still in a hopeless situation.

    So you have to remember a few short words in order and a simple equation, for a password that is many orders of magnitude stronger than any commonly used encryption key. They'll brute force the key before they can crack this password.

    Now they might try guessing equations, but as long as you have at least 3 operations in it it will be no easier for them by doing this, since there are hundreds of constants you can choose from as well as any numbers, plus about 8 operations, so again it is stronger than the key.

    Of course I may have missed something serious here, though it seems kosher to me.

  56. Re:Try letter-swap: 0 for o, 1 for i, & for 8 by Etcetera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Umm.. this is the NSA we're talking about. I'm sure they're not just putting forth the raw words, but are trying all the common leet-speak variations thereof. And probably word+digit, digit+word and various popular capitalization possibilities. Even with all those variations (maybe 100 for each word) it'll still be a very significant improvement over a brute force attack.

    They've been on the Internet too, you know?

  57. My favorite non-printable char for password use by devphil · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Backspace.

    This stopped working once login(1) implementations the world over started paying attention to the "special" characters even when in raw mode. Ah well. Fun while it lasted.

    (I was inspired by a SF short story, where two robbers break into a paranoid guy's computer. They set off alarms because they had gotten the password right on the first attempt. The paranoid guy had, for years, deliberately screwed up the first attempt before giving the right one on the second try. Eventually the semi-smart programs adapted and started expecting this behavior.)

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    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
  58. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless it's from a self-employment activity!

    Illegal income, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.

    http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch13.html

  59. Re:That's a nice idea. by espo812 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But 64 bit was cracked by distributed.net a few years ago.
    "So, after 1,757 days and 58,747,597,657 work units tested the winning key was found!"
    --

    espo
  60. SecretService@Home by rewinn · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next logical step is to provide a free screen saver download, to lend home computing power to the Secret Service's decription effort. We might call it SecretService@Home.

    To encourage participation, our agency might make the decryption process a background feature of a download more likely to be wildly popular .... maybe a game ... perhaps we could call it something appealling to young people with lots of excess computing power ... a name like "America's Army".

    And if we wanted to throw scruples out the [MS]window, our agency might create a zombie net exploiting security ports (formerly known as "security holes") to allow truly huge DNAs. Our legal advisors recommend coding our zombierecruiters to target computers outside our country, whose owners may expect little in the way of protection under our Constitution.

    DISCLAIMER: Our government never would do this! No, Never!

  61. Other sources of IRS income... by grafikdude · · Score: 2, Informative
    Other sources of income according to the IRS From the IRS website at= http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch13.html
    Other income sources (this is for real)
    • Bribes If you receive a bribe, include it in your income.
    • Kickbacks You must include kickbacks, side commissions, push money, or similar payments you receive in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040), if from your self-employment activity.
    Example
    You sell cars and help arrange car insurance for buyers. Insurance brokers pay back part of their commissions to you for referring customers to them. You must include the kickbacks in your income.
    • Illegal income Illegal income, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.
    • Pulitzer, Nobel, and similar prizes. If you were awarded a prize in recognition of accomplishments in religious, charitable, scientific, artistic, educational, literary, or civic fields, you generally must include the value of the prize in your income. However, you do not include this prize in your income if you meet all of the following requirements.
      • You were selected without any action on your part to enter the contest or proceeding.
      • You are not required to perform substantial future services as a condition to receiving the prize or award.
      • The prize or award is transferred by the payer directly to a governmental unit or tax-exempt charitable organization as designated by you.
      • See Publication 525 for more information about the conditions that apply to the transfer.
    • Stolen property. If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless in the same year, you return it to its rightful owner.
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    This is not here.
  62. A password is for your login by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...a pass PHRASE is for your encrypted hard disk.

    Dictionary attacks mean sod-all when the passphrase is nothing that might appear in any dictionary (including one compiled from your correspondence and other public clues such as browsing history and Amazon purchases).

  63. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Especially when all they have to do is offer them chocolate before they bust them;-)

    That survey is almost certainly complete rubbish - if someone came up to me in the street and offered me chocolate in exchange for my password I'd just give them a bogus password so I could get my chocolate.

  64. TSA-approved locks by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

    They now have TSA-approved locks which have some kind of TSA symbol on them that identify them as "OK". There's a master key for the key locks and the combination locks.

    Prior to this I used tie wraps (the good ones with the metal in the latching end) through the lock holes on the zippers. I stashed an ancient wire cutters in an outer pocket for opening at my destination.

    I don't know 'secure' these really are, but I suppose it makes it just hard enough that the crackheads working in baggage will choose someone else's luggage to rifle. I'm sure the master key component of the TSA-approved locks is trivial as well.

    But as someone said above, if someone wants it, they'll just rip the fscking thing open. But it should be good enough. People have long complained about pilfering from luggage, but the complaints REALLY went up when the TSA banned luggage locking. IMHO most of the luggage pilfered was unlocked to begin with, and once everyone's was, it was open season for luggage handlers to steal, so a trivial amount of locking ought to deny them the easy opportunities.

  65. Re:It's like social engineering, without the perso by UrgleHoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a quote I heard a long time ago, "Don't ask a millionaire how he made his first million."

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    Dogma - "let's just say we'd like to avoid any empirical entanglements."