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Passport Chip Could Attract High-Tech Muggers

Orangez writes "Wired.com reports that 'business travel groups, security experts and privacy advocates are looking to derail a government plan to insert remotely readable chips in American passports, calling the chips homing devices for high-tech muggers, identity thieves and even terrorists.' and that 'The 64-KB chips will include the information from the photo page of the passport, including name, date of birth and a digitized form of the passport picture.'"

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  1. Tin foil wrapper by Clay+Pigeon+-TPF-VS- · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone is going to need a faraday cage.

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    1. Re:Tin foil wrapper by Uptown+Joe · · Score: 2, Informative

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    2. Re:Tin foil wrapper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      These guys have you covered: http://www.berk.com/~lessemf/personal.html/

    3. Re:Tin foil wrapper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I worked as a forest fire fighter, we were all issued tinfoil tents. We called them shake-n-bakes since they were only to be used in an emergency if you got caught in a fire. Then you would shake it out, get in, and bake. The material reflected, theoretically, enough heat to save you if the fire burned over you quickly enough. Just glad I never had to use it.

  2. When will people realise that remotely readable... by tquinlan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...means just that?

    If they government can read it for legitimate purposes, other people can read it for illegitimate purposes.

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  3. why are travellers worried? by drunken+dash · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they're not terrorists, and have nothing to hide, why are they so worried about being tracked? If anything, if your passport is stolen, wouldn't you rather have the chip in there to track it?

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    1. Re:why are travellers worried? by ral315 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because the government, private corporations, etc. have proven that they can't be trusted with your data. Look at universities who have lost data to theft. If a major university can have data stolen, it can be stolen from anywhere. Besides, most people who would try and get this information wouldn't need the passport itself, just the data on it. A name, date of birth, and photo can often be enough to gain more information, sometimes enough to commit fraud with.

    2. Re:why are travellers worried? by Kineticabstract · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've missed the point. The concern isn't that "big brother" is going to be watching our every move (after all, that's inevitable, and why worry about the inevitable?) the concern is that a terrorist could get your passport information simply by walking close to you with an RFID reader. It's a security nightmare to have your information freely available to anyone with the hardware to read it.

    3. Re:why are travellers worried? by Ironsides · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they're not terrorists, and have nothing to hide, why are they so worried about being tracked? If anything, if your passport is stolen, wouldn't you rather have the chip in there to track it?

      Because terrorists/kidnappers can set up a remote reader to look specifically for people carrying this type or passport. Kidnapers can use it to find people from specific other contries that they think are richer than they are and ransom them off for big bucks. Terrorists can use it to find people from specific nationalities. Bin Laden said to kill all americans everywhere, not just americans in the US. This gives them a leg up in finding people carrying around their passports when overseas.

      That said, if they go through with this, they definitely need to build in a faraday cage into the passport case.

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    4. Re:why are travellers worried? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Human beings are funny like that. We're members of the animal kingdom and animals, for whatever natural reason, just don't like being followed or tracked unless it's by their children and/or mate or they're traveling in a coordinated herd. Attempting to rationalize a violation of basic natural psychology by invoking security isn't going to invalidate primal instincts. If mother nature has instilled us with an instinct that dislikes being tracked or followed there's probably a very good reason for it. It's probably because, whatever the rationalization is, the truth is that animals track and follow prey. Very rarely is the stranger following you interested solely in your welfare for no selfish reason of their own.

      Stalking is illegal for a reason. Even if no physical contact is ever made it constitutes harassment. Harassment leads to a degradation of the quality of life, poor performance at work, and after extended periods of time can lead to a psychological breakdown. Creating a population of paranoid schizophrenics isn't all bad. Once they come apart at the seams we can lock them in a cell with a bicycle and use them to produce energy, thus breaking our dependence on oil and negating the need for nuclear fuel. It'll also solve the overpopulation problem if we keep the sexes separated. In the end it'll allow some members of the population, who aren't being harassed or seem to be immune to natural instincts (are they even human then?), to live a life of leisure using the energy of those we have harassed and then locked up.

    5. Re:why are travellers worried? by tomcio.s · · Score: 3, Informative

      The government would be forcing me to do what they want with my private property.

      Any passport issued in any country is not your property. It's the property of the issueing government.

      In Canada, even our health cards carry that infomation on the back. It says 'card is property of Minitsty of Health, issued to be used by:' and your name + address.

      Sorry no 'property rights violations' here. Whatever those are.

    6. Re:why are travellers worried? by cosmo7 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had thought this was alarmist, that the information would be a set of MD5s or in the case of client-side data, public-key encrypted, but that turns out to not be the case. It's all naked data.

    7. Re:why are travellers worried? by Qzukk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do have something to hide: my passport has my name, address, phone number, next of kin notification address/phone, passport number, and with these 64KB chips, I'm sure they'll pack everything they can think of on there like SSN, birthdate, and so on.

      All that, waiting for someone to just bump into me on a train or in a subway or getting off the airplane. Unlike a normal passport, I'd never know it was "stolen", since it'd still be in my pocket afterwards! By the time I get back to my country, I'd probably be thousands of dollars in debt, with 50 credit cards in my name.

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    8. Re:why are travellers worried? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      a terrorist could get your passport information simply by walking close to you

      Why would a terrorist want your passport information? They have perfectly reliable ways to get entirely legitimate papers of their own. If they want to kill you, they will, and pick up your passport from your body later as a souvenir, whether it has RFID or not. On the other hand, thieves, swindlers, identity thieves could very well take an interest in your vital statistics. Why do TERRORISTS!!!! have to be part of every security discussion?

    9. Re:why are travellers worried? by DM9290 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they want to kill you, they will, and pick up your passport from your body later as a souvenir, whether it has RFID or not.

      They only want to kill you if you are american.
      Your RFID passport is a dead giveaway (at a distance).

      With a remote readable passport, someone could design a smart motar shell which specifically homes in on american passports. The motar shell only needs to broadcast that it is a passport scanner and detect the replies from american passports.
      Sensing the existence of an RFID can be done at a greater range than the range necessary to actually make sense of the data.

      Or a roadside bomb can wait for an American to pass by.

      Terrorists are not all morons. They don't actually try to target random victims. They try to target their "enemy". If you give them tools to increase the accuracy of their attacks they will take advantage of them.

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  4. security by zerkon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the article states having a barcode or some other form of security that must actually be read, how about encrypting the data on the rfid and putting the key on the barcode?

    just a thought

    1. Re:security by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You are Johnny Terrorist. You go to a crowded bar and scan the crowd. Ah! A lot of Yankee warmongering devils in there! Target-rich environment! Mayhem ensues.

      That sounds like an excellent idea. The Bali bombers thought they were blowing up a bunch of Yankee infidel in Kuta, actally most were Asustralians. Us non-American white people would really prefer not to be collateral damage in your War on Terror (though sadly our dickweed prime minister has dragged us into it and made us targets).

  5. hmm... by catbertscousin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now they don't even have to steal my passport before they can use all my info. That's an improvement. If I get a new passport, I think I'll carry it in an aluminum foil pouch.

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    1. Re:hmm... by cosmo7 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's the schema they're using:

      255 bytes: First name
      1 byte: Middle initial
      255 bytes: Surname
      1 bit: Boolean true if user checked the 'Member of Terrorist Group' checkbox
      7 bits: CIA National Boxcutter Purchase Monitoring flags
      16KB: ASCII-art depiction of tubgirl courtesy of frustrated intern
      16KB: Excerpts from Book of Revelation
      1 byte: Flags for previous visits to Iran / Cuba / North Korea / Syria / Lebanon / Pakistan / Libya / Yavin
      30KB: XML representation of above flags

    2. Re:hmm... by Technician · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think I'll carry it in an aluminum foil pouch.

      Stuff it in an old aluminized mylar potato chip bag, roll it up and stuff it in your pocket. If asked, say it was raining cats and doga at my last stop. I didn't want it to get wet. The added advantage is the tag is unreadable inside the folded up bag.

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  6. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by AT-SkyWalker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I guess you won't have to loose your passport anymore for a terrorrist to make a copy or something.

    They can just sit at the door of the airport and scan everybody comming in and out ! Without you even knowing so you won't report it !

  7. Aus Passe by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Opponents also argue that the lack of encryption, which Moss said would slow down the processing of passports, adds another vulnerability.

    I don't get it. I mean, they State Dept. could easily have a reader connected to a network which passes along some hash which is stored on the card, to a server which would verify what passport they should be looking at. Slow? Wtf kind of technology are they using where 64K of stuff would take any time?

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    1. Re:Aus Passe by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Because 64K of memory should be enough for anybody"

      Thank you...I'm here all week! (mostly due to pesky bosses)


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    2. Re:Aus Passe by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Creating a device with a Public/Private key encryption system, creating a new key each year and supplying that key to thousands of passport readers isn't difficult.

      They'd have to be supplied ot passport readers in every country in the world. So two days after this comes into effect, bootleg readers are on sale next to cable TV decoders, but unlike cable TV, passports stay valid for at least 5 years, so changing the encryption isn't an option, so why bother at all.

  8. When will the learn by metoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When will these people learn that independent sober second opinions are valuable.

    Years from know they will probably say "We made the best decision with the information we had at the time".

  9. Another problem by nizo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Burglar goes down to airport and watches family get on a plane to Europe. He grabs your name, and from that gets your home address. Then he can go rob your house while you and family are out of town. Certainly makes scoping out houses much easier; your house could be cleaned out before you even reach your destination.

    1. Re:Another problem by Xzzy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except for the fact that, at least in the US, no one without a plane ticket is allowed to pass through the security gates.

      They could run their scanners in the ticketing area but they couldn't do it for long periods without looking suspicious. Guys standing around in bulky coats to hide the equipment will probably draw some notice.

      Since these passport chips are claimed to have a very short range (inches) to be read, guys in bulky coats dry humping tourists trying to get a scan would draw even more notice. ;)

  10. Sounds like the next big thing... by Uptown+Joe · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the folks that brought us the hacked SideKicks of Fred Durst and Paris Hilton...

    Not that I have any naked pictures on my passport chip... yet.

  11. Blame the terrorists. by Mr2cents · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How comes that everyone trying to make a point has to include terrorist threat? Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit cheap?

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    1. Re:Blame the terrorists. by __int64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      YES! Because terrorist are everywhere! They are outside your house, they are in the mall, they are living next door to you, and their going to GET You. Unless you give your mind and soul to the only one who can help, Big Government. Big Government can help you; He'll save you from all these nasty nasty terrorists. You just have to unquestionably follow him, do as he says blindly, and never fall out of line, because then you'll be one.

      Because remember, they're everywhere. They're anyone, anyone who doesn't really believe in Big Government, anyone who is or thinks different than you, and especially anyone who is critical of Big Government!

      And remember to do your part citizens in stopping these nasties! If you ever see anyone exhibiting these actions, don't forget to notify the police or the FBI so Big Government can help them.

    2. Re:Blame the terrorists. by Metapsyborg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Because fear has become an excellent tool that can be used to control the populace. Just look at the PATRIOT act, Iraq war, New McCarthyism etc all supported by fear.

      While I'm not a big Michael Moore fan, one thing Bowling for Columbine drove home was the "media of fear" idea. He certainly beat it to death, but there's no denying the prevalence of vague fear in todays (U.S.) media and government.

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    3. Re:Blame the terrorists. by __int64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "The terrorists have already won"

      Exactly, because despite popular opinion they're goal is not to go out and kill every single American. Their goal is to go out and make every single American afraid of them, afraid to live their lives.

      And Mission Accomplished.

      They have successfully reduced my dad, into a withered old man afraid to ever leave the country, who does nothing but curse these damn 'rag-heads'. "We need more legislation and more intrusive government, cause those bastards are everywhere. They want to kill us all. So we need to get em first. Nuke those bastards. We need to kill any and all of them, cause they're all rag-heads and they all want us dead with their 'Islam'."

      Who's the real terrorists again dad?

  12. That word by chris_eineke · · Score: 5, Insightful
    homing devices for high-tech muggers, identity thieves and even terrorists.
    There is that word again. I'm getting tired of it. :(
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    1. Re:That word by Kineticabstract · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There is that word again. I'm getting tired of it.
      Get used to it. This is the age of terrorism - every schmuck with a mental disorder (and yes, I place religious fanaticism firmly in that category) has the ability to kill innocents if they feel that it will draw attention to their "cause". Terrorism is the new diplomacy. It's going to get much worse before it gets better.
  13. Identity by netrage_is_bad · · Score: 5, Funny

    like someone would benefit from stealing my Identity. They would just inherit my debt.

    I guess that's one more reason to get a passport

  14. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by temojen · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't see why they didn't just burn it (cryptographically signed) onto a business card sized CD inserted into a pocket of the passport folder. If they used a standardised format (XML+TIFF+GPG signed) then any country could read it without fancy equipment, and noone could make a counterfit.

  15. The Gov should slow down... by Mrs.+Grundy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and look at this for a while. They understand that who you are and where you come from can make you a target. After all, the armed forces (whose upper ranks never lose a chance to make their soldiers dress up) tell their personnel not to wear their uniforms when traveling on civilian airlines, for the very reason that people don't want RDIF tags in their passport. And it's not just nationality. Airports all have wireless connections these days so you can get a name, do a quick Google search and stand a good chance of knowing enough about the person walking by to not only pick good targets but be able to imply uncanny knowledge about them. a corp. There must be a better solution that address both the governments concerns and the privacy concerns of our citizens. It seems that somebody has just made a decision and isn't willing to back off. We should isn't they try harder.

  16. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by HMA2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It should be combined with a biometric measurement. I understand the privacy people don't like it but identity is becoming increasingly important and a "peice of paper" just isn't going to cut it for much longer.

  17. This is a dupe - no, wait ... by Redshift · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:This is a dupe - no, wait ... by ALeavitt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, if you're the average /.er, it's sitting right there in your right hand.

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  18. Why biometrics are bad: by Ironsides · · Score: 4, Informative

    Posted today at the BBC

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  19. RFID for passports - succumbing to a fad! by syrinje · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There's really no earthly reason for using RFID chips in passports. RFID has a number of legitimate uses - and the use of this technology in those applications makes life easier for many. Nearly all legitimate applications of RFID benefit from the automation of collecting small bits of data from large numbers of entities using non-human readers.
    However, all of the legitimate uses of the passport involve a human being handling the passport anyway - and using a non-RFID smart chip will suffice.

    Tinfoil hats aside, the primary response of the RFID proponents to the question of why RFID tags are needed is "Why not?". This is a preposterous approach to implementing a system that handles sensitive personal data that could cause severe distress to the owners of that data, if compromised. Sensitive data belonging to thousands or even millions of people! Assuming the government still considers an individual as the rightful owner of their own personal data.

    Some of the conspiracy theories regarding RFID in passports are a little over the top. But there is no denying the fact that the potential for abuse is definitely enhanced by using this technology in this way. Today the scope is for Americans to be targeted using this - either by their own government, or by criminals, or by other governments, or by terrorists. Tomorrow, when more countries follow suit, that scope expands, giving birth to a rich and varied mix of uses - all of which with the legitimate exception of border control are extra-legal or downright criminal. I hate to sound like a troll but the RFID chip in your little blue book could well become the new star of david sewn into your shirt.

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  20. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can you imagine debating with foreign officials whether your CD is fake or it's just scratched?

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  21. Rather pushing it... by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Burglar goes down to airport and watches family get on a plane to Europe. He grabs your name, and from that gets your home address. Then he can go rob your house while you and family are out of town. Certainly makes scoping out houses much easier; your house could be cleaned out before you even reach your destination.

    Seriously, you're pushing your cred here. What kind of burglar is going to be hanging out in airports looking for departing victims? An intelligent burglar would spend more time casing a target and keeping track of comings and goings of people. The newspaper, with funerals and such, has been a wealth of information for those vile enough to rob a house when someone's at a funeral or such.

    Most burglaries are probably committed without much prior planning anyway, by someone looking for an easy target. Ambitious burglars or pros would probably be slower to adopt something like finding a prospective victim at an airport, as the still have no idea who's at home or what's worth taking, as they usually already have somthing in mind, like expsensive car or piece of artwork.

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  22. disabling chip? by LM741N · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What are the implications of disabling the chip? A huge dose of ESD would probably do the job without harming paper and ink. You could just claim ignorance.

    1. Re:disabling chip? by chrispl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This would probably be considered "tampering with an official document" and be against the law, or at least make it more difficult to travel when they notice your suspiciously "defective" passport.

      I will just keep mine wrapped in a few layers of aluminium foil until I am standing in line at immigrations thank you.

      I can also see, after the media catches on about identity theft via RFID passports some enterprising company will begin selling lead lined passport covers or something similar. This also begs the question why the covers are not lined with an RF blocking material so the chip can only be read when the passport is open in the first place.

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    2. Re:disabling chip? by chrispl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well I should have RTFA about the RFID. They DID suggest RF blocking fibers in the cover.

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  23. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by shaitand · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because it would be illegal to export encryption of that strength. It does not matter if the other nation already has the technology.

  24. that word that cannot be named by tuxette · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Terrorists are the new Communists. And black is the new black. Get over it already!

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    1. Re:that word that cannot be named by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Terrorists are the new Communists. And black is the new black. Get over it already!

      "Get over it"?
      How about not letting them use their magic argument, instead of getting over it?

      You got mugged? Get over it! Your government is using boogeymen to slowly turn your country in a police state? Get over it!

      No thanks.

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  25. Here's a link to the standard by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Document 9303 at the ICAO. Note that it's the international Civil Aviation organization that defined the standard and is pushing it. Note that they intentionally do not encrypt the data so that it's simpler and easier for third world governments to read.

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  26. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keeping people from stealing your identity is important. The governments of the world being able to track you and being able to verify your identity is not as important as your right to not be tracked or identified.

    There are plenty of legitimate reasons to not want people to be able to identify you. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to circumvent the system as well.

    At what point did the unwilling martyrs at the twin towers win the balance against the millions of lives willing sacrificed so that we could taste freedom? It wouldn't matter if planes were crashed into building every day, it is no reason to take away freedom.

  27. Okay, I might as well post it... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't get it. I mean, they State Dept. could easily have a reader connected to a network which passes along some hash which is stored on the card, to a server which would verify what passport they should be looking at. Slow? Wtf kind of technology are they using where 64K of stuff would take any time?

    Think "Windows ME".

    Remember, this is the U.S. Gov.

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  28. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by legojenn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't you mean:

    If the government can read it for legitimate purposes, then the government and other people can read it for illegitimate purposes.

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  29. Submit your Comments to the State Department by journalistguy · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  30. Actually that might be part of the plan by overunderunderdone · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article:
    State Department contractors are looking to include some shielding, such as metal fibers in the passport cover, to keep the chips from being read when the passport is closed.
    They are also, supposedly "designed only to be readable from 8 centimeters (about 3 inches) away when the passport is open."

    My question at that point is: why not use another technology? The whole point of RFID is that it is readable from a distance without jumping through any hoops. If TFA is correct they are negating the whole point of RFID and fighting it's inherent nature to do so. It seems that some kind of optical technology would be perfectly suited to do exactly what they want to do with RFID.
    1. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by farzadb82 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      One very simple reason... cost.

      RFID is and will be considerably cheaper than an equivalent optical solution or any other present technology.

    2. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are also, supposedly "designed only to be readable from 8 centimeters (about 3 inches) away when the passport is open."

      My question at that point is: why not use another technology?


      Because they want to be able to read them from more then 8cm. They know perfectly well that, with the right equipment, these 8cm devices can be read up to 10m away and they intend to use that feature themselves - they even talk about the ease of tracking people in airports and such as part of the justification for this implementation.

      So, you have what basically amounts to spin control. Enough of the general public has latched onto the meme that RFID is a danger to their privacy. So instead of working to eliminate the entirely valid risks that RFID brings to this particular application, they are just trying to cover them up - literally and figuratively.

      Your tax dollar at work...

    3. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How is RFID cheaper than a mag stripe? Large RFID tags (with more than a few bytes of storage) are more expensive than the ones Wal-Mart blows in for a penny apiece. A mag stripe is almost free. Mag card readers are also almost free. A mag stripe can't (reasonably) be read surreptitiously from a distance, so it's safer, too.

      I know, a mag stripe can have its data changed. But wait! So can an RFID tag! So you're going to end up doing public key crypto signing of the data anyway. Why not use technology that is proven to be cheap, safe, and reliable instead of something that is potentially expensive, dangerous, and has no real history of reliability that requires additional expensive hacks to prevent abuse?

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    4. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by tyresyas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I don't know about you, but my passport has been with me for quite some time and optical readers are no longer up to the challenge of reading it as it has taken quite a beating. Passing through Immigration lines was painful enough before, but now I have to sit there and watch them fight with the optical scanner for a few minutes. RFID tages would elminate that problem even were they readable from 8 cm away. And for those of you paranoid enough to think the government will start tracking your every move with your passport, do you think you are any safer everytime you swipe a credit card to pay for something? The point is that anyone could read the numbers off of your credit card and hav a field day with it. It is easily verifiable if these RFID tags respond to a challenge from any great distance, and I doubt they will in their final incarnation.

    5. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by fatcatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, RFID is expensive. iButtons are dirt cheap and almost completely indestructible.

      www.ibutton.com

    6. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by dmayle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      State Department contractors are looking to include some shielding

      My best friend's husband works for a French company called A.S.K. that makes smart cards, and induction cards, and RFID cards, and he was telling me about the process, and how they're bidding for the American Passport contract.

      When I mentioned about the tin foil, he said that none of the samples they've delivered to the U.S. have any shielding, and that there's been no talk at all of shielding of any kind.

      <Tinfoil Hat>I truly think this talk of shielding is just to pacify us until it's already a done deal, and it's too late to do anything about.</Tinfoil Hat>

    7. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by pliftkl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The US government is NOT putting a simple RFID tag into passports. They are embedding a fully functional smart card chip with an RF interface into the cover of the passport. The smart card can do on card matching of biometrics (which means that you don't have to store your fingerprint in a giant government database, it stays in your smart card).

    8. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it is. The advantage of RFID is that you don't have to swipe anything, be in line-of-sight or even get (too) close. Those are the "hoops" that the RFID is all about avoiding. The measures they are taking are just crippling RFID to make it equivalent to all sorts of technologies we already have that don't have the risk of being intended read at a distance.

      The genesis of RFID had to do with automation. Instead of making a *really* smart robot that can identify & figure out the physical objects it has to interact with - make the objects just a little smart so they can TELL the robot about themselves. Having to get really close and open a book is back to making having to make the system smart again (in this case you need a human to do this for the system - just the thing RFID is supposed to eliminate).

    9. Re:Actually that might be part of the plan by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Interesting


      New terrorist plan: walk around an airport with some sort of high-frequency emitter in a briefcase - frying everybody's RFID passport chips.

      Make for a wonderful day at Customs, I'm sure.

      Then you'd have to have security guys wandering around the airport with RFID detectors trying to spot excessively powerful transmissions (or hardware in the building to do so and alert security.)

      Alternate plan: walk around with the same sort of long-range detectors the state obviously wants to use and suck all the data out of everybody's passport, burn it onto your fake passports (after looking up the individual's photo somewhere and copying that in - since I assume photos will remain the primary identity device in passports) and walk your terrorist army through any Customs.

      Next problem: how do ordinary people get their passports with all this data in the chip? Obviously that data will have to be reported - or sucked out of some huge TIA database, right? So this is just to set up once again the "need" for the government to know EVERYTHING about you - so they can issue a fucking passport...

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  31. Sweden getting this as well by Nevtje(hr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sweden is going to introduce these state-of-the-art passports with microchips in them sometime in the autumn. i was planning on getting one first, but apparently a Visa will do just as fine should i ever want to visit the States, plus the microchip one is supposedly alot more expensive

    so, im getting a new "regular" passport tomorrow... my current expires in july, no rush, but this new one will last 10 years so why not have it done with

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  32. the system is secure, stop the FUD by lordholm · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the ICAO standard states can chose to add an authentication scheme to the RFID-tag. This is what Sweden is dong, this is probably what the US is doing.

    The authentication is based on the MRZ (Machine Readable Zone) in the passport (this is text that is read through OCR and not visible unless you open the passports photo page). The MRZ-data is hashed by SHA-1 and the high 32 bits of the hash is taken (this reduce the risk of someone computing the MRZ-data backwards (actually guessing) which MIGHT be possible if you have the hash and the basic structure of the MRZ-data). The hash is sent as an authentication code to the RFID-chip in the passport, if the hash is wrong the RFID responds with a "no valid authentication" message and refuse to send any data.

    A state may decide to ignore such measures in their passports (but this is unlikely for the EU and the US). And such states have the option to include metallic jackets for the passport.

    The range of the RFID transmission will be around 10 cm. IIRC it weakens with the power of 6 to the distance.

    Further, it is not practical to have contact chips in a book-formed passport. It is more practical in ID-cards.

    While I dislike this in general and would prefer a passport free world, try to avoid spreading untrue FUD about the technology being used, the data is secure and no person is going to get within 10 cm from your passport, and try an average of 2^31 different hashes without you noticing it. Of course, if the person manage to "borrow" your passport, he will use the MRZ to obtain the key, but in that case, he can take the passport to a photocopier as well (and that is probably cheaper).

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    1. Re:the system is secure, stop the FUD by RichMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > The range of the RFID transmission will be around 10 cm. IIRC it weakens with the power of 6 to the distance.

      We can see the remains of the big bang and could detect the light of a firefly beyond pluto.

      Range means nothing to directional high-gain antennas. Sure no one is going to retarget Jordell Bank or the deep space network to snoop for pasport id's but that does not mean someone could not get 10m or more gain from an antenna hidden on the back of truck driven through the airport arrivals zone.

  33. Re:Another problem - don't be simple by victim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The passport sniffer needn't hide the gear under a bulky coat. Any shoulder strap carry on type bag will do. They will blend in perfectly in the air port. They can then stand next to you in line, or perhaps brush past you walking in the hallways.

    In 60 minutes of sniffing they could easily collect a dozen or more candidate "known gone" families, then use that as a short list of houses to check.

    Maybe the regular readers will have a range in inches, and 802.11 has a range of 100ft. With the right antenna 802.11 can be extended by a factor of 50. I would not count on tags being unreadable from 24", a nice polite personal space distance.

    I'm not saying this will ever happen, but it certainly is a lot easier than your deliberately ridiculous example.

    What it really comes down to is...
    If the passport issuing officials want a system that keeps a secondary reference copy of your information in a difficult to forge format, that is only readable with a special reader and is encrypted to prevent unauthorized use, then there is no reason to use a remotely readable device. A high resolution two dimensional barcode of encrypted data will do a nice job of it without exposing people's data to risk additional risk.

  34. Secure? by metamatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The authentication is based on the MRZ (Machine Readable Zone) in the passport (this is text that is read through OCR and not visible unless you open the passports photo page). The MRZ-data is hashed by SHA-1 and the high 32 bits of the hash is taken (this reduce the risk of someone computing the MRZ-data backwards (actually guessing) which MIGHT be possible if you have the hash and the basic structure of the MRZ-data). The hash is sent as an authentication code to the RFID-chip in the passport, if the hash is wrong the RFID responds with a "no valid authentication" message and refuse to send any data.

    Either you've missed out something vital, or the system is wide open to a replay attack.

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  35. Why include the info on the chip at all? by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wouldn't it make FAR more sense to just include a Number on the chip.

    Authorized custom agents could then pass a reader over that chip, which would take the number, connect to a US government's computer, input the number which would return photo, fingerprints, etc. etc.

    There seems NO need to put all the sensitive information on a chip, when all you need is a number. Keep the sensitive information on more secure computers, accesible only by valid custom agents.

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    1. Re:Why include the info on the chip at all? by Nonesuch · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They don't have to share all the data. They can set it up on a virtual network connected to the US computers. They send the information for only the specific passport requested.

      Thus no foreign place would have more information than the current procedure.

      This does open up the possibility of fishing -- remote customs database clients sending info requests for the passport info on people who are not actually present.

      There's an easy fix for that risk -- embed a smartchip in the passport with public key crypto support, so when I go to a foreign border, their reader can query my passport, and get back a crytographic key (challenge, etc). They then sign this with their public key and forward to US Customs. When decrypted the passport datablock says "I am Nonesuch's passport, tell the nice people at the Canadian Border what you are willing to share about Mr. Nonesuch".

  36. Re:When will people realise that remotely readable by SquadBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why not?

    I really don't get it and have yet to see a good argument for what is suposedly so borken about paper docs.

    Biometrics are good for a large number of things. But they are *not* good for IDs (passports, DLs, ICs those kind of things). This is because for them to be used that way they must be passed over a network. Once you start passing things over a network it becomes very possible to steal that persons biometrics and use them to be him/her.

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  37. You'd need a smarter RFID. by abb3w · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If they government can read it for legitimate purposes, other people can read it for illegitimate purposes.

    ...if the chip responds without requiring authentication, as current RFID chips do. If the RFID simply spits out its random Mark One RFID number on initial query, and only provides Mark Two grade information on recieving it's RFID back in a RSA signed query, it might mitigate the problem.

    Still, that would leave at least five system weaknesses obvious to even cursory glances:

    1) It's still a Mark One RFID initial response; to prevent traffic analysis from making identifying USAssholes (yes, I can say that, I am one) trivial for hostile entities, there need to be a lot more responding Mark One RFIDs chirping away out there.
    2) The specific query to the RFID could be played back. This might be solvable by inclusion of a random number component with in the initial response.
    3) Every Mark Two RFID query generator needs to have the signature capability; the system is only safe until one is stolen and reverse engineered. Giving each it's own marine guard is liable to increase the expense of the deployment slightly. This might be obviated by an integrity-and-privacy secured uplink connection to a centralized query making server located at Fort Meade.
    4) This still implies US passport holders should trust the US government to be able to secretly and silently find out exactly who they are at any time. Survey says...
    5) I'm betting the computation for signature checks exceed the RFID remotely powered capabilities; I suspect they don't have much more than needed to play "Marco!".... "Polo!"

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  38. The nazi's tried the same thing with the jews by DM9290 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In WWII, Nazi's required jews to wear armbands distinctly identifying themselves as jewish at a distance.

    This system worked very well. It insured that second class citizens could properly receive the proper treatment as such. i.e.: forced to walk in the gutter, rather than a side walk etc. Attend at labour and death camps etc.

    Now the american government wants americans to only travel abroad on the condition that they effectively wear electronic armbands identifying them as "AMERICAN" to anyone with a simple detector.

    America is at war, and the American government wants its citizens to be required to advertize their status to all possible enemies.

    At least the NAZI's were fairly transparent about their desire to oppress and harm jews.

    How is electronically broadcasting american citizenship for all to see, going to help americans be safer.

    Why not just make a law requiring all american citizens to wear armbands with the Star of David.

    Would that be obvious enough for the morons in the whitehouse to wake the fuck up!

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  39. CFP2005 sesssion on RFID chipped Passports by SynCrypt · · Score: 3, Informative

    There will be a session about RFID chipped passports at the 2005 Computers, Freedman, and Privacy conference on Wed. April 13th in Seattle, WA. Bruce Schneier, who has spoken frequently on this issue, and Bill Scannell, who is quoted in the article, will both be keynote speakers at the conference. Right after the panel, there will likely be a demo of RFID technology as it relates to passports.

  40. I hate you by Safety+Cap · · Score: 3, Funny
    It wouldn't matter if planes were crashed into building every day, it is no reason to take away freedom.
    Why do you hate America?

    If you really loved America, you would know that only terrorists fear having their freedoms taken away. Real, law-abiding, god-fearing, red state Americans have nothing to hide!!!!!!!!one one

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