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DNS Cache Poisoning Spreads Malware

Gamma_UCF writes "As of April 4, 2005 the SANS Internet Storm Center has raised their alert level to Yellow following a rash of active DNS poisonings. The infected DNS servers are re-directing users from popular sites such as Google or American Express to malware infecting advertising sites. According to the ISC presentation on the attack, it is believed to be linked to known spammers and malware distributors. The full presentation of information up until this point can be found here."

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  1. April Fools Idea by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny
    Oh man, this article gave me an idea. Too bad it's a couple days late, or else it would have made a *great* april fools for the workplace here.
    1. Change the company's DNS server here to map google.com to a private machine here on the network.
    2. Create a frontend on the internal machines here that looks exactly like google.com
    3. Map the internal IP addresses on the network to specific people here.
    4. Inject specific "spooky" messages into the search results based on the IP address of the querying machine. Examples would be like: "How about looking at some pr0n, Mr. Bridges?" or "You really should have that bald patch looked at, sir."
    5. April Fools! HA HA!
    6. Look for a new job.
    Oh well, you only live once.
    --
    /^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
    1. Re:April Fools Idea by Cruithne · · Score: 4, Funny

      7. Profit!

    2. Re:April Fools Idea by mightypenguin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think one of the better net admin jokes on this date was using the swedish chef text filter on all webpages in certain sections of the my college's site :)

      http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/jbc/home/chef.html

    3. Re:April Fools Idea by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 2, Funny
      7. Profit!
      Whoever modded this "Redundant" needs thier head examined. Granted, it's only mildly funny, but it's not "Redundant". Uh, maybe because no one else had said it yet in response to the parent?

      You moderators are so fickle. I will probably get modded down "-1 He's got a point, but I don't like it" for this post.

    4. Re:April Fools Idea by dAzED1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the mod adjectives have needed to be changed for years. What do you do when someone isn't flamebait or trolling, they simply don't know what they're talking about? Mod them "overrated?" But what if they're only a 1 or 2? There are other problems. I generally have a pretty damn hard time modding most posts. I don't know how I spent as many points as I used to have.

    5. Re:April Fools Idea by Greger47 · · Score: 3, Funny
      On Slashdot it's redundant. We already subconciously add

      3. Profit!
      In Soviet Russia ... you!
      Imagine a Beowulf cluster...

      to all posts.

      /greger

    6. Re:April Fools Idea by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only old Koreans subconsciously add statements to posts.

    7. Re:April Fools Idea by afd8856 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I also had your problem. I've decided to give up on moderation and read slashdot at -1
      There are a lot of interesting things to be said at that level, too :)

      --
      I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow...
    8. Re:April Fools Idea by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2

      Sure. However, I tried it once, and discovered it wasn't work-safe. (Which is where I do the majority of my /. reading.)

    9. Re:April Fools Idea by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about not modding it at all, and perhaps replying with correct information? You know, dialogue, the exchange of ideas and information.

      I know you get a smug sense of self-satisfaction by just stamping "WRONG!" and wiping your hands of it, but that doesn't help anyone.

      You don't have to use your points on the first posts you see.

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    10. Re:April Fools Idea by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just keep in mind, In Soviet Russia, a beowulf cluster profits by imagining 50 year old South Koreans pouring hot grits down your pants.

  2. IRC by Wizy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone who has been on irc for over 8 years remembers when DNS cache poisoning first started showing up (about 97.)

    This is a quote from the "IRC Operators Guide" written in 8/97:
    "DNS spoofing is a relatively new hit these days on IRC. You'll generally find spoofs one of two ways - you're watching the connections (usermode +c) and an unusual hostmask appears, or a user reports one. The first thing to do is to get the user's IP address (/stats L nick), and check to see if the DNS lookup matches the IP address. If it doesn't, you know you have a spoof. With this information, you can KILL the spoof, and when it reconnects, see where the real host is and issue a K-line (which won't stop them from spoofing again, but will prevent them from signing on *without* spoofing). Some servers have the capability of D-lines, which allow you to ban by ip mask. A D-line will prevent the client from connecting at all, regardless of whether they try DNS spoofing or not. If the server supports the DLINE command, you can do /dline ipmask :reason."

    It has been a well known problem since way back then and it has still not be dealt with in any real way.

    1. Re:IRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are some things DNS implementors can do to protect against DNS cache poisoning. The best article about the subject is here.

  3. internet rash by Cruithne · · Score: 5, Funny

    following a rash of active DNS poisonings

    Damn internet rashes, they're the worst. Remember, dont surf without protecting your board. :/

  4. More color-coded warnings? by loqi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I give it two years until the sight of a rainbow fills me with abject terror and confusion.

    --
    If other reasons we do lack, we swear no one will die when we attack
    1. Re:More color-coded warnings? by peragrin · · Score: 2, Funny

      forget rainbow, wait till the perfect orange sunset, and run around screaming even mother nature knows terrorists are coming.

      --
      i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
    2. Re:More color-coded warnings? by krf · · Score: 3, Funny

      The rainbow already fills most republicans with abject terror and confusion.

      Maybe that's why they invented that terror warning thing.

    3. Re:More color-coded warnings? by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Kryten: We must take action. Be bold, positive, decisive. I suggest we move from blue alert to red alert, sir. Cat: Forget red! Let's go all the way up to brown alert! Kryten: But there's no such thing as brown alert, sir. Cat: You won't be saying that in a minute. And don't say I didn't alert you!

      Red Dwarf, Series 8, Episode 1.

      --
      Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
    4. Re:More color-coded warnings? by mmkkbb · · Score: 4, Funny

      *KABOOM*

      Arrr, an attack! Matey, fetch me red shirt! Can't let the men see me bleedin' if I get hit! ...

      *KABOOM*

      Arrr, that was a close one! Fetch me brown pants too!

      --
      -mkb
    5. Re:More color-coded warnings? by Fjornir · · Score: 4, Funny

      RIMMER: Go to blue alert.
      LISTER: What for? There's no-one to alert - we're all here.
      RIMMER: I would just feel more comfortable if I know that we're all on
      our toes 'cos everyone's aware it's a blue-alert situation.
      LISTER: We all are on our toes.
      RIMMER: May I remind you all of Space Core Directive 34124?
      KRYTEN: 34124. "No officer with false teeth should attempt oral sex in
      zero gravity".
      RIMMER: Damn you both, all the way to Hades! I want to go to Blue Alert!
      LISTER: Ok, ok.
      .
      .
      .
      LISTER: Too small for a vessel... maybe some kind of missile.
      KRYTEN: It's impossible to tell at this range. Whatever it is, they
      clearly have a technology way in advance of our own!
      LISTER: So do the Albanian State Washing Machine Company.
      RIMMER: Step up to red alert!
      KRYTEN: Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb.
      RIMMER: There's always some excuse, isn't there?

      --
      I want a new world. I think this one is broken.
  5. How does this work? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is this done basically by taking over insecure DNS servers or is something more subtle involved, e.g. making comuters treat your machine as their DNS server instead?

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    1. Re:How does this work? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's where you have an insecure server and someone manages to modify your zone file externally. It really shouldn't be possible any more... all dns servers ship secure by default, and any admin that makes such a configuration change should be fired on the spot.

    2. Re:How does this work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      usually its done by flooding a dns server with carefully crafted false replys based on known previous requests from the server.

      or by taking advantage of servers that listen to extra information that they really shouldn't listen to in a reply.

      with both methods the aim is to trick the dns server into cacheing your false response for its clients.

    3. Re:How does this work? by Stuwee · · Score: 5, Informative
      From memory, classic DNS poisoning goes something like the following:
      1. Pick any DNS server which isn't authoritative for the domain which you wish to poison with the IP of your choosing. Something like your ISP's DNS server will work nicely.
      2. Send a legitimate DNS request to the server for a domain which is authoritative under a server you are in control of, and which your choosen server (and any in-between it and your own server) won't already have in its cache.
      3. When the request for the domain comes into your server, you have the sequence number which originated from your target DNS server. The idea with this sequence number is that your reply to the originating server contains the number, and hence the server knows which request is being replied to. Here is where the vulnerability comes in.
        Earlier versions of BIND use sequential sequence numbers in each request; nowadays pseudo-random numbers are used. What we're really after here is the next sequence number, or at least an idea of what it might be. In the case of sequential numbers, you have a rather small range of next sequence numbers. If your pseudo-RNG isn't cryptographically secure, it's possible to guess the next number in the sequence (for which you might want to make a few legitimate requests to your target server to observe the sequence).
      4. Next up, make a request to your target server for the domain which you want to take control of. For this to work, your target DNS server must send out a further request for this domain. Since you have an idea of the sequence number which has been sent out with this request, you can now start flooding the target DNS server with false replies.
      5. The ultimate goal is that you will hit the correct sequence number with your false reply before the legitimate reply comes in, hence poisoning the DNS. Further requests to your target server within the record timeout (which you may specify yourself in your false replies, so they can last quite a while) will be replied to with a cached version containing your poisoned IP.
      6. Watch the requests come in for the content to your own IP, serve up appropriately.
  6. Let's Kill The Golden Goose by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sure, internet click-thrus generate money, but when they get so invasive and destructive, they'll drive people way from the internet. I can't imagine any advertiser likes that idea.

    Worse, perhaps, is that all these problems may encourage some horrible proprietary internet standards to arise, claiming safety from ad/spy/malware, phishing, etc. and all the cattle have to do is sign up, abandoning the old internet.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  7. Re:More reason to use Firefox by mboos · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's the malware on the sites that the infected DNS servers redirect to.

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    --Mike Boos
  8. Re:If this is such a big deal... by Wizy · · Score: 5, Informative

    We have. This has been a known problem since early 1997. It is well documented in the IRC community (admins and coders.)

    Documents like this one from 1997: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kennyz/doc/unix/dns.spoof

  9. Question by Ryosen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've been using Opera for 6 years now and I'm a little confused.

    What is "malware"?

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    Ryosen
    One man's "Troll, +1" is another man's "Insightful, +1".
    1. Re:Question by OnceWas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera (or Firefox) isn't immune to phishing attacks. How would you know you're giving your banking info to a phony site that looks exactly like your own bank's login screen? Especially if the domain name is correct?

      I assume SSL would catch some of this, but not all.

      DNS poisoning is creepy, since it's browser/OS agnostic.

      --
      Laugh while you can, monkey-boy.
    2. Re:Question by Ryosen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>In the case of opera, most phishing sites dont work. :) Sadly, neither do most legitimate online banking sites. :(

      My bank works just fine with Opera and has since v6, when they introduced the service. Granted, I don't have an animated paper clip to help me along with the arduous task of checking my balance, but that's the sacrifice that I am willing to make for a browser that works.

      In Opera's defence, making a product that adheres to Web standards and doesn't encourage the continuing bifurcation and blatent disregard for standards that Microsoft's Internet Explore-Embrace-Extend-er does, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

      The only sites that I have had any problems with are those that require ActiveX controls (which, I'm relieved to see, are becoming fewer) and extended JScript commands that are used to manage some dynamic menu effects which are mostly useless to begin with. If my dynamic menu scripts can work in all browsers, there's no reason why others can't, too. Well, other than ignorance and laziness...

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      Ryosen
      One man's "Troll, +1" is another man's "Insightful, +1".
  10. Re:More reason to use Firefox by bcmm · · Score: 4, Funny
    I bet that malware is Internet Explorer-specific.
    Yes. It's so great to use a web browser that doesn't rely on Microsoft technology like DNS...
    Oh, wait...


    Idiot.
    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  11. Re:colored alerts by delta_avi_delta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know the British secret service use color coded bikini's for terror alert levels. Black-Special Bikini has got to be the coolest alert level around :)

  12. Home Is Where the Heat Is by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't this kind of attack on the global Internet exactly the kind of thing that Homeland Security's "Cybersecurity" department is responsible for stopping? What are we paying them billions of dollars, and suspending our liberties, to do? While we're at it, what's the difference between National security, Homeland security, and Defense? Aren't they all just riding a single planebombing to unchecked power and riches, without accountability or results?

    --

    --
    make install -not war

    1. Re:Home Is Where the Heat Is by notthepainter · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The attacks on the WTC towers were not designed to kill people. Yes, they did do that, and an awful lot of people were killed.

      The attacks on the WTC were an economic attack, and as such, were exceptionally successful. Witness how much has been spent in Afghanistan and Iraq since then. The attacks on the WTC towers were a liberty attack, and as such, were exceptionally successful.

      If Osam bin Laden wanted to kill a lot of people, he could have found far better ways to do it, but that wasn't his goal.

      Sadly, the present administration has played right into his hands. And that is sad.

      Don't get me wrong, it is a tragedy that those people died. But that wasn't his goal.

      So yes, one of the real jobs of the DHS is to protect the economy. Very odd that, but true nonetheless.

      (and yes, I did lose a friend on the plane that went down in PA..., not that that would change my viewpoint.)

    2. Re:Home Is Where the Heat Is by stinerman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If enough DNS servers get bad info, we may have a hell of a time getting most of the Internet back to a workable state.

      Imagine the reprecussions for national security and the economy if people were spoofing the NYSE or other important data center that distributes information that many people rely on.

      "Today the DJIA dropped 5,000 points, oil is trading at $200/barrel, etc."

  13. Re:windowsupdate.microsoft.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Has anybody tried to redirect windowsupdate.microsoft.com? That could potentially install malware at massive privilege levels and therefore impossible to remove. And it's done automatically.

    Automatic updates that are not signed and verified will not install.

  14. Re:More reason to use Firefox by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

    And besides, there are plenty of cross-platform attack you could do with this.

    Want a copy of a user's eBay cookie? (Ok maybe eBay doesn't save passwords this way but you get the point, lots of sites do. It's like phishing, but the computer believes it's genuine, not just the user).

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  15. Re:More reason to use Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet that malware is Internet Explorer-specific.

    Yes. It's so great to use a web browser that doesn't rely on Microsoft technology like DNS...
    Oh, wait...


    Yes, the malware is almost certainly designed to install via IE, not other (better) browsers.
    Methinks the idiot here is the one who signed
    his post "Idiot"

  16. Re:windowsupdate.microsoft.com? by Dejohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I believe that all Windows Update patches are digitally signed, so this spoof might be harder to pull of than it would initially seem

  17. Re:How to stop DNS cache poisoning by Wizy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did you run the warez server? I know that guys name.

  18. Djbdns - immune to DNS cache poisoning (?) by bad_outlook · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anyone using Djdns? I've set it up on my home network server running FreeBSD to provide dnscache for all my boxes within 192* and thus far it's working perfectly. From Djdns' security page, it says that it's impervious to DNS poisoning:

    • "dnscache does not cache (or pass along) records outside the server's bailiwick; those records could be poisoned. Records for foo.dom, for example, are accepted only from the root servers, the dom servers, and the foo.dom servers."

      "dnscache is immune to cache poisoning."

    Djbdns

    While I don't think I'm in the clear because of this, I feel better protected from the (unwashed ;)) internet. Anyone care to comment, please do, as I've just started using this and want to know how effective it is.

    bo

    1. Re:Djbdns - immune to DNS cache poisoning (?) by Tuqui · · Score: 3, Informative

      The separation between DNS Server and DNS Cache is very clever. This is a point that even BIND must take care.

    2. Re:Djbdns - immune to DNS cache poisoning (?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, djbdns is immune to cache poisoning (and pretty much any other attack that doesn't depend on any fundamental weakness of DNS itself).

      It is also immune to buffer overflows and runs as a non-root user locked in a chroot. It also is EXTREMELY lightweight, has a much easier/automatable config format than BIND (in fact we wrote a front-end for BIND that uses the tinydns line-oriented format), and has predictable documented memory usage.

      It has been this way for years.

      Anybody who uses BIND or Windows DNS has only themselves to blame for problems like this!

      Feel free to be smug.

    3. Re:Djbdns - immune to DNS cache poisoning (?) by bad_outlook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good points, I do not have FORWARD_ONLY set, and I am using the default DNS list in ../servers/@ that was in there when I installed. I am wondering if I should add my DNS servers from my ISP (Speakeasy) to the top of that list, or just leave them out altogether. Docs on multiple sites were not specific about this. Advice? Which is safer?

      bo

    4. Re:Djbdns - immune to DNS cache poisoning (?) by nothings · · Score: 3, Informative
      While I don't think I'm in the clear because of this, I feel better protected from the (unwashed ;)) internet.

      That seems fairly reasonable. I don't think you're really protected from poisoning, unless "poisoning" only applies to certain kinds of DNS spoofing. Specifically, first note the exceptions to the djbdns security guarantee:

      • Bugs outside of djbdns, such as OS bugs or browser bugs. (People could seize control of BIND 9.1 through an OpenSSL buffer overflow, but that was a bug in OpenSSL, not in BIND.)
      • The vulnerability of DNS to forgery. (BIND's port reuse makes blind forgery much less expensive, but this is a quantitative difference, not a qualitative difference. The DNS architecture needs cryptographic protection.)
      • Denial-of-service attacks. (BIND 9's fragility makes denial of service completely trivial; but an attacker can easily take down the Domain Name System without using any of BIND's bugs. The DNS architecture needs to be decentralized.)

      Specifically, his forgery page points out that a spoofing attack based on the birthday paradox can still work... although probably tens of millions of packets are required. This page, which I think I got off slashdot before, uses the TCP sequence-number guessing tools to try to attack it. It's probably not quite as secure as djb estimates, but probably still in the millions. They don't seem to have actually run numbers for the randomized-port plus randomized-id, so it's unclear whether they actually attacked that thoroughly.

  19. Re:windowsupdate.microsoft.com? by dAzED1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    they are. Hopefully someone will take the GP down a notch or 2 from "5-insightful" and up your retort a few notches from "1"

    Its not just windowsupdate.microsoft.com that is prived - it's a little more sophisticated than that.

    I'm not even a MS apologist...haven't used a MS product in many years (except when I'm forced to for work-related reasons)

  20. The most frightening part... by loopsandsounds · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you read down the SANS presentation you come to this:

    The following list shows how far-reaching this attack proved to be. The list is a small, categorized excerpt of the 665 domain names from his site (with my short notes) that were being re-directed to hostile web servers. It is very important to note that e-mail, FTP logins, HTTPS sessions, and other types of traffic were also being re-directed to the malicious servers. We do not believe that the attacker was reading e-mail or collecting passwords, but we have no conclusive proof to assert either theory.

    Totally browser/machine agnostic attacks, no user intervention. If you look at the names of the sites, many of them are financial institutions! And all of those victims that click okay everytime they get an "invalid certificate" message. Be afraid, very afraid.

    --
    I was throwing you the 48, but you made me switch to the 132.
  21. Re:How does it happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    There are a few ways. Off the top of my noggin:
    • If your target DNS server is running Microsofts DNS server, on W2K SP 1 or 2 (this may have been patched, I dunno), you can poison DNS using an alias. It's simple. You have to have control of a zone (say realzone.com) and a DNS server. You create a zone on your dns server under the name you want to poison, say example.com. Your DNS server thinks it is authoritative for the example.com zone. Next you create a host record in example.com that points to a host you control. In your real zone (realzone.com), you create a CNAME record for a host like spoof that points to hostname at example.com, like www.example.com. Then you point your local stub resolver at the target DNS server (most DNS servers will resolve for anyone by default). When you try to lookup spoof.realzone.com, the target DNS server will find your dns server. Your dns server will see that spoof.realzone.com is a CNAME for www.example.com and look that up. Since it thinks it is authoritative for example.com, it will ask itself, and returh that IP address to the target DNS server. Now it is in the targets DNS cache. Anyone who tried to resolve www.example.com from that DNS server will get the IP address of the host you defined in the example.com zone. Spoof!.
    • Another way is to sniff the traffic of the target DNS server and when it tries to resolve a host name, feed it the result of your choosing before the recursive query finishes. The first response wins, generally.


    There are probably other ways, but it isn't hard.

    The bottom line, DNS is an untrustworthy system.
  22. Re:simple by fimbulvetr · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a DNS server issue, not a client issue.
    Suppose you visit citibank.com often. citibank.com is at 192.168.0.1 (It's an example). If the dns server you normally query has been poisened, it could potentially give you 10.0.0.1 (that's an example too). 10.0.0.1 could be a quick 0 day citibank look alike setup in korea with the sole purpose of grabbing your username,password,acct number, etc.
    The real citibank.com would never know that this happened, and there is a real chance the person who ran your dns server wouldn't know either.
    There are no 10 minute preventative measures one could do to protect themselves on this one, outside of using a known good dns resolver. Even then, you have to know the the dns server the resolver uses is good...

  23. Yes and no. by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
    It has been dealt with, at the specification level. DNSSEC has been around for a while and for the ultra-paranoid, you can always run IPSec tunnels between DNS servers.


    The "no" part is that virtually nobody does this. All the protection in the world is useless if you don't use it. Further, the protections that do exist (such as those I mentioned) get redesigned a little too often, making wide-scale rollouts a real problem.


    Routers are another key part of the infrastructure where there is plenty in place that COULD prevent poisoning, but where actual use in the "Real World" is limited. If DNS ever does improve, then scammers may well simply shift to poisoning router tables to achieve the same results.


    The resources spent on producing quality and security are phenominal. The resources spent on actually putting these into practice can barely be detected with the best tunneling electron microscopes.

    --
    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    1. Re:Yes and no. by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Opportunistic encryption (ipsec) enabled for all root DNS servers would be a nice start. Published keys, etc.

      At least then we'd know the root data was from the roots.

      --
      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
  24. You forgot..... by isotope23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for One welcome.........

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    Service guarantees Citizenship! Questions Guarantee GITMO.... Amerika Uber Alles!
  25. Re:How does it happen? by jon3k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unprotected DDNS (dynamic dns registration, Microsoft loves this one)

    And also you can feed a slave server your own zone, based on the nameserver configuration, it will work (very rarely).

  26. Re:How does it happen? by Rolan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Start by clicking the "HERE" in the article and, oh, wow, there's a whole report on how it happens!

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    - AMW
  27. Next phase : stealth ninja midgets by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Funny
    The bigger failure rate through email (come on, -some- people have wisened up over the years... right ? right ??), has caused the spammers to look for other ways, now taking it up to the DNS level.

    I guess that when this is eventually blocked, and spammers -really- are out of ideas of what to do next, it's time for the ninja-midgets-phase :

    A spammer will employ stealth ninja midgets (or clone them), that will roam around the world causing havoc by typing in their master's URL in your browser, while you're out to get a snack.

  28. No by temojen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article is about DNS Cache poisoning, not DNS spoofing. In DNS cache poisoning you're effectively telling the victim's DNS server to query your (fake) server for all of a class of requests (ie *.com), instead of the one it should be querying. DNS spoofing only tries to fool reverse lookups.

    1. Re:No by Wizy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first spoofing tool I used on irc (EFNet) actually did cache poisoning. I know there are the tools that only did the reverse lookup spoofing. But the cache poisoning was done way back when. I believe (and I could be mistaken) that a guy by the name of johan wrote one of the first ones.

  29. Yet another example of Windows messing up by Paradox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Ahh, Windows. People use it for servers too.

    From TFA:
    Basically, the UNIX-based stuff has been secure against cache poisoning
    for quite some time, but there may always be a bug or design flaw that
    is discovered. We are not quite sure why Microsoft left a default
    configuration to be unsecure in NT4 and 2000. (Exercise to reader:
    insert Microsoft security comment/opinion/joke here, but keep it to
    yourself).


    The worst part about DNS cache poisoning is that it affects DNS nodes underneath it in the hierarchy. So if you're below a Windows DNS that gets attacked, you yourself may be subject even if your local DNS is in fact secure.

    Oh, and fear caching http proxy servers that touch DNS servers that get poisoned. They can keep the bad data around for a long time.

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  30. SANS vs. the rest of the security community. by tsu+doh+nimh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Washingtonpost.com is running an interesting story about how SANS is really the only major player in the security community that is making any noise about this.

    ...(snip..)

    ...."But here's the rub: Symantec Corp., which maintains tens of thousands of "sensors" at various points around the Internet to pick up signs of Internet attacks, said it isn't seeing anything out of the ordinary with DNS attacks.

    Dave Kennedy, director of research services at Herndon, Va.-based Cybertrust (formerly TruSecure), had this to say about the reports: "It's been nearly a month since SANS started ringing their alarm bells over this and maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I'm grading this as hype until I see some independent support."

    Russ Cooper, Cybertrust's chief technologist, put it this way: "In my opinion, our industry's creditiblity comes from further reports from multiple sources. We run a very large operation worldwide, and we've looked for signs of what SANS is talking about, but we're just not seeing it."

    All of this may seem like an academic debate to those who claim to have been victimized by these attacks.

    On March 24, Ken Goods, a computer network administrator for a mid-sized insurance company in Idaho, learned that the company's DNS servers had been attacked when employees began reporting that their Internet browsers were being redirected to a Web site hawking generic Viagra and other prescription drugs.

    "I kept trying to go to Google to research the problem, but even though my Web browser said I was at Google.com, the only content that showed up was this pharmacy site," said Goods, who asked that his employer not be named because the company is still in the process of fixing the problem.

    John, a systems administrator for a major U.S.-based manufacturing company, said a DNS poisoning attack like the one SANS described last month led to Internet problems for roughly 8,000 of his company's 20,000 employees. John asked that his surname and employer's identity be omitted from this story because the company is trying to determine if it is still vulnerable.

    In the following weeks, several more attacks ensued that sent victims at John's company to Web sites advertising penis-enlargement pills.

    Marcus Sachs, director of SANS and a former White House cyber-security adviser, said the security industry's response to their alerts about the attacks has been little more than a collective "yawn." Meanwhile, Sachs said, it appears the Internet connection at a San Diego hotel where the organization is holding its annual conference this week also was hit with a poisoning attack (the guy at the hotel who handles Web site security hasn't yet returned my calls.)

    "People are waving this off and saying 'This is nothing new, we've seen this kind of thing before, let's move on.' But the consensus amongst the SANS folks is that something doesn't feel right here, and that there's more to this story than meets the eye. We feel like there's something deeper going on here, but the fact is there are not a lot of people out there in the security industry who are willing to dig deep and get to the bottom of this."

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    1. Re:SANS vs. the rest of the security community. by httptech · · Score: 4, Informative
      I wrote this article about the source and motivations of the attack (also mentioned by the Washington Post blog), so SANS is not the only security organization talking about it. But there's a reason you're not hearing alarm bells all over.

      Basically it comes down to this - the attack was used to hijack searches for pay-per-click engines. It was done in the most obvious way and got a lot of attention. If they had been smarter, they would only have redirected defunct sites instead of cnn.com and the rest of the .com TLD.

      Now that the cat is out of the bag, people are watching for the traffic, so a second, more malicious attack probably won't see nearly as much success. So there's no reason to panic - it's a 4-year-old vulnerability as it is, and fixed by a simple registry edit. Most people will be unaffected by it.

      -Joe

      Joe Stewart, GCIH
      Senior Security Researcher
      LURHQ http://www.lurhq.com/

    2. Re:SANS vs. the rest of the security community. by httptech · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is, by hijacking high-traffic sites, they get noticed fairly quickly. Plus the servers they hacked to host their fake search engine could barely keep up with the load, making all the extra traffic futile.

      If they had kept a lower profile they probably could have gotten away with the hijacking indefinitely - but these guys don't think long-term (fortunately for us). And it looks like they've stopped the hijacking for now, probably only due to the attention they've gotten in the press in the last week.

    3. Re:SANS vs. the rest of the security community. by McSpew · · Score: 3, Informative

      So there's no reason to panic - it's a 4-year-old vulnerability as it is, and fixed by a simple registry edit. Most people will be unaffected by it.

      Ah, but here's the rub: It's not fixed by a simple registry edit. Win2k SP3 and SP4 are "secure" by default. I'm running Win2k SP3 and SP4, and I was bitten by this. The MS articles I initially found about cache poisoning didn't mention that SP3 and SP4 are secured by default, so I went and inserted the registry setting and restarted my DNS servers. The next day, the poisoning was back. That was when I discovered that SP3 and SP4 are secured by default, and that was when I realized that this problem is more serious than most people realize.

      I tried to publicize what I'd learned on Friday. I submitted the story to Slashdot, where it was rejected because it wasn't an April Fool's prank. I submitted it to Russ Cooper's NTBugTraq, where it disappeared into the ether. Imagine my consternation when Russ Cooper was quoted in today's Washington Post security blog saying that nobody was seeing it. I wrote to Russ immediately after seeing that quote and assured him that I was seeing it and I had posted to his list, but the post had not been approved by him.

      I'm pissed off because very few people are taking this seriously and well-meaning people such as yourself are dismissing it as a minor vulnerability that's easily remedied with a registry edit. This attack is not remedied by inserting a registry entry and restarting the server--it affects servers that are supposed to be immune.

    4. Re:SANS vs. the rest of the security community. by httptech · · Score: 3, Informative

      You probably would have been better off sending your findings to handlers@sans.org - you're the first person I've heard say that the fix doesn't work, and since SANS hasn't updated the information, I presume they haven't heard about it yet either.

      Despite the fact that your experience contradicts MS and CERT-CC, I'm willing to accept the possibility that because the .com label in the Authority section is technically a subdomain of any .com domain they may be querying, the SecureResponses key doesn't reject it. This would be a fairly big deal (not too big, you realize, since most of the world doesn't use MS DNS servers) that would require some independent testing in order to convince MS to change their stance (and fix the problem for real).

      Any chance you captured some of the traffic as it was occuring on your would-be immune servers? Because the poisoning attack from abx4.com is over now, so it will take a bit of work to recreate it in the lab without those servers to conveniently supply the test packets.

  31. Re:How to stop DNS cache poisoning by clickster · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Free advice from a top security consultant at Foundstone. (you'd know my name)"

    OK. I call bullshit. I spent 30 minutes looking through the Foundstone corporate directory and there is no "Anonymous Coward", "A. Coward", etc.

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  32. Re:If this is such a big deal... by Dionysus · · Score: 3, Informative

    DJB has talked about it at least as far back as November 2001.
    libresolv problems,talking about poissoning

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  33. Re:How to stop DNS cache poisoning by menscher · · Score: 4, Informative
    If all DNS records had 0 lifetime, the load on the core DNS servers would cause them to melt. Nice if you want a DDoS, not so nice if you want the internet to work.

    Ever heard of a monoculture? It's dangerous. That's the primary reason Microsoft has so many security issues. To guard against this, the DNS infrastructure of the internet is intentionally made to be heterogeneous. They use different DNS software on different operating systems as much as possible.

    Top security consultant? Doubtful. More likely an AC trying (and failing) to impersonate someone with a clue.

  34. Re:How to stop DNS cache poisoning by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Running dnscache which is much more intelligent about how it handles cacheable data than BIND is high on my recommendations list.

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  35. Re:Funny How Easy this is to prevent by McSpew · · Score: 4, Informative

    Damn, if only I had checked the "turn on security" box!!

    From MSFT (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/241352/EN-US/)

    How very wrong you are.

    Win2k DNS automatically turns on "secure cache against pollution" in SP3+. Read about it at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316786/EN-US/. Specifically, you're looking for this quote:

    DNS cache pollution protection is enabled by default in Windows 2000 SP3 and later.

    Win2k DNS servers with this feature turned on are STILL vulnerable. I know because my DNS servers are configured this way and I began to suffer from the DNS poisoning on Thursday of last week. It took me until Friday to get a real handle on what was happening. Slashdot ignored my submission of this story back then. They were too busy jerking around with April Fool's stories.

  36. At school by elgatozorbas · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I was young, I had a severe DNS poisoning at school, and the teacher allowed me to go home.

  37. Brian Krebs of The Washington Post... by latuZimZactly · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wrote about this today in his blog:

    http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/

    He provides some background and comments from companies effected by the attacks. And he offers some opposing views from SANS and Symantec Corp. on whether this is a serious concern or not.

  38. Re:simple by fimbulvetr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except that there is nothing to say that the 0 day server would have to even offer the person encryption (So the person wouldn't be prompted for an invalid certificate).
    Unless the person actually noticed the secure symbol missing from their browser, they would never know. I doubt many people notice this missing.
    Even if they did notice the secure symbol missing, it's likely they would think to themselves "Well, maybe it only shows up AFTER I log in.", in a case like that, they'd be a little too late...

  39. I've seen this by benjamindees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For months now, since at *least* the first of January. It's mostly been google.com, redirecting to some odd webpage, but not any of the ones listed.

    I figured the problem is that I was pointing to an old DNS server for SBC. They won't give you the IPs of the new DNS servers unless you fire up their awful PPPoE program. We use Linux, and this incident has been an excuse to remove the last few Windows computers from the network. It'll probably also be an excuse to rid ourselves of SBC's horrendous services.

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  40. Re:Admin vs User by tokabola · · Score: 2, Interesting

    C.E.R.T. (Computer Emergency Response Team) is the agency you're thinking of. They probably have said lots about this and nobody listened. Just like when they warned people to use any browser besides Internet Explorer, yet if you go to any library and check the public access terminals, or into any government agency and check, you'll still see IE on ALL of them.

    I myself don't want the US government (or any countries government) in charge of the internet - Governments can't be trusted not to abuse any authority they get. They always have, and until humans are much, much wiser than we currently are they will continue doing so.

    Tommy

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  41. Re:How to stop DNS cache poisoning by ebvwfbw · · Score: 3, Informative
    You shouldn't charge so much for dated and misleading information. I just checked out a boatload of name servers and they are all not only running at 9.0, most of them at 9.2 or later. Not caching a domain like google is also bad advice. Someone more critical may even say unprofessional.

    If you bothered to RTFA, you would also know that the problem is with Windows NT servers (that should have been taken offline years ago or upgraded to Linux) and Unix machines that were compromised (probably also not up to date). No upgrade in bind will help you on that one and NT is famous for being full of holes. Don't sweat it though, "experts" are dated quickly in this field.

    Encourage people to keep their systems up to date, patched and watched would be better. Do integrety checking - like with tripwire. Check it every day. Even then you can still get burned, happens to the best of us.

    Now, how do I get one of those fancy $450/hr jobs (No moving to Boston!)?

  42. FTA by bitswapper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "(Basically, the UNIX-based stuff has been secure against cache poisoning for quite some time, but there may always be a bug or design flaw that is discovered. We are not quite sure why Microsoft left a default configuration to be unsecure in NT4 and 2000. (Exercise to reader: insert Microsoft security comment/opinion/joke here, but keep it to yourself)."

    mmphm...!

  43. Sebben Alert Level Update by ewhac · · Score: 4, Funny
    ...the SANS Internet Storm Center has raised their alert level to Yellow following a rash of active DNS poisonings.

    ATTENTION: ALERT LEVEL UPDATE. The authorities at SANS (Sebben-Affilliated Network Security) have issued this network alert update:

    The DNS cache poisoning alert has been upgraded from "Yellow" to "Blackwatch Plaid." Repeat: DNS cache poisoning alert level is now at Blackwatch Plaid.

    Available information does not yet justify a further upgrade to alert level "Moving Pictures."

    And for everyone's safety and security, and to preserve our way of life, SANS is taking a drastic step and installing a network monitor. Just one. For safety, security, and omniscient, unblinking information gathering of everyone's activities.

    :-),
    Schwab

  44. worst one; by jafac · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I directed my friends to locate Spybot Search And Destroy via Google, they got redirected to a software site that claimed to be Spybot Search and Destroy - but the software would not CLEAN infected systems unless you paid. What you end up installing, of course, just installs MORE spyware.

    So when you point freinds to Spybot Search and Destroy, you've got to give them the actual download link.

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  45. Mods are on crack (or don't know much about DNS) by don.g · · Score: 2

    For goodness' sake, guys! +5 Funny, not +4 Interesting!

    You'd think people would get suspicious when they read things like "poison the DNS cyber buffer", but that's probably expecting too much of the typical mod-point wielding slashdotter.

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  46. Re:How to stop DNS cache poisoning by sloth+jr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Moderators, wake up and mark parent down (or at least funny, or troll)!

    Several severe reality problems with this "advice" (it's surely a troll, people - come on, "DNS cyber buffer?"):
    While that's a sure fire way of killing cache poisoning for your own records, setting DNS TTL to 0 for all records *will* cause severe Internet Armageddon as the root DNS servers explode (client DNS servers would be screwed in short order as well).

    Since DNS is a distributed system, run by admins clueful and otherwise, setting DNS TTL to 0 everywhere is not possible (short of owning every single DNS server out there).

    Further, setting DNS TTL to 0 does nothing to prevent caching of records on your own DNS server (and serving it to your clients).

  47. Re:More reason to use Firefox by menkhaura · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes.

    What was written in that dialog again?

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  48. Re:windowsupdate.microsoft.com? by mborland · · Score: 2, Informative
    I hope I can handle this question.

    First, contrary to what some people think, to access a site with HTTPS which has a certificate, you do NOT contact the CA over the internet. This is because your browser already has the public key of that CA installed. The signature of the certificate you are shown by the real or fake site is verified/rejected not by looking something else up on the internet, but by performing cryptographic tests against that installed public key of the CA. This is not only an efficient process, it is much more secure (for the spoofing reasons you suggest).

    That's if you're talking about SSL stuff. If you are talking about the digital signature of the file(s) from windows update, you're using a very similar approach. I don't know the details of Windows Update, but I'll bet there is a local public key or set of keys from MS that are used to check the signature...nothing to download or look up over the internet.

    If I explained that rather poorly, I apologize. I just wanted to express that, contrary to what most people think, you do NOT use connections to the CA to verify a certificate.

  49. Re:More reason to use Firefox -- Yeah by gru3hunt3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DNS poisoning is not new. Using it for fraud is new. Defending against it (if you're Google) is difficult, but not impossible.

    I swear -- Technical people need to stop addressing these problems with solutions that are technically elegant but unrealistic.
    Yeah, lets secure all the nameservers on the Net! sure that'll work. Hell, we've only been doing DNS poisoning attacks for what? 12 years or so? hey well at least we finally got sendmail secure. Doh!

    The only way we're going to be able to stop bad guys is to start having applications that use more than one protocol to verify integrity AND start building in stronger indepedent crypto behind the scenes making it much much much harder to spoof. You don't have to change the whole protocol stack we just need to share more information across protocols. Right now, when you compromise one protocol, you own the box. Aiiee!

    I'm actually happy this happened -- because I've felt the Net needed a big overhaul for a while. My parents can't safely use the Internet, neither can yours. And all us gunslingers who could keep them safe are too busy securing our damn nameserver, and dealing with joe jobs to do anything about it. The solution requires a more comprehensive look at the problem.

    If the bad guys are specifically targeting google with DNS poisoning, it's reasonable to assume it will undermine peoples faith in Google. (ATTENTION FLAMERS: YES, I am aware the request was hijacked long before it got to Google -- but the end user won't be because they don't have a clue what DNS stands for or how it works).

    Seriously - your mom/dad would take away from an explanation of DNS hijacking was "Go to google, get a virus" (read the previous article posted earlier today about how people don't understand technobabble) ..

    Does anybody else besides me find this whole thing incredibly ironic? People will see Google as being the problem, even though it's almost definitely Microsofts fault. Damn.. sucks to be Google. (Okay, yeah.. honestly i'd love to have Googlesque problems, but also the Googlesque resources to solve them!)

    Anyway I think this sort of article hopefully illustrates to Google why they need to start promoting a secure browser WHICH isn't subject to malware attacks such as IE really is in their best interest -- and although it has a minimal cost impact to them, it has a huge long term impact to the net community. Honestly, I believe if Google offered a "safer" online experience -- i'd put my parents on it in a second, I think everybody here would too. I don't trust Yahoo, MSN, Ask Jeeves, etc. or any of those companies with the tender care of my parents Internet experience.

    I say Google - rather than just "firefox", because if Google put Gbrowser on their homepage you know it'd have a 30% usershare virtually overnight -- maybe more. They install the google toolbar, it transmits information about where you're surfing to google -- BUT it also checks with Google to make sure you're at a "safe site" --

    OKAY so you want a real example -- how about a simple one -- why not a modified robots.txt with an entry that included a list of the valid IP's for the SOA for your root domain for the next 30 days. Boom, they already pick up robots.txt -- BUT now they can authenticate that the DNS wasn't posioned using google toolbar. Sexy huh?

    I've got lots of ideas like this -- there are probably 5 things sites could *OPTIONALLY* do, that merge application stacks -- but at the same time it would make it necessary for a phiser to compromise MULTIPLE hosts, across MULTIPLE protocols -- thereby making it *statistically* impossible.

    (NOTE: If I seem brilliant it's only because i'm standing on the shoulders of Giants. I love how SPF uses DNS to authenticate mail servers -- it's non-intrusive, but an illustrative example of the types of solutions that we as a technical community need to solve problems)

  50. Fex ex tracking by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Funny

    A friend of mine was obsessively tracking a fed ex package of his and told us the progress of it a couple times a day. There happen to be a big hurricane happening, but it wasn't quite in the path of his package's travel. So, I wgett'ed (wgot?) fedex's site and made my own modifications. I just changed the hosts file on my friend's machine to point to my webserver. My friend watched his package get closer and closer, then looked in horror as it took a detour to florida. The next day it was in the fedex damaged package center, and we had to let him in on the joke.

  51. Google Sponsored Ads for Firefox/Spybot are scams by quokkapox · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Last week I recommended Firefox to one of my clients. He Googled for "firefox". First actual result would have correctly taken him to getfirefox.com, but he chose to click on the Sponsored Ad, which takes you to www.freedownloadhq.com - who offers "free Firefox downloads" for $19.95.

    He said "Hey, I thought it was supposed to be free, but they're asking me for my credit card number!" He quickly realized it was a scam site, but many others will not.

    Perhaps this is also what you friend did. I just googled for Spybot Search and Destroy, and the first sponsored ad is for noAdware.net which itself is spyware.

    There's no incentive for Google to prevent this because they're making money. I wonder if slashdotters could nickel-and-dime the scammers to death. Firefox costs ~ $0.10, Spybot ~ $0.20. Let's try, firefox and spybot - click all the scam Sponsored Ads you see. Repeatedly if desired.

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  52. Re:colored alerts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But, mister Rimmer sir, you do realize that it means changing the lightbulb...

  53. DON'T CLICK LINK by suwain_2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't click that link! I clicked it and got a really nasty porn site.

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  54. Study shows it could be much worse... by Timothy1965 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A group of researchers at Cornell looked at the DNS poisoning problem (article here) and found that
    • many names were vulnerable to DNS poisoning because they depended on lots of nameservers. Some names in some country-code TLDs, like the Ukraine, were depending on 600+ nameservers.
    • some key nameservers controlled a large portion of the namespace. Compromise one of those nameservers, and you can hijack a lot of domains.
    • some crucial names were not protected well. For instance, fbi.gov could be hijacked!


    Easy way to get on the FBI's most wanted list. You try to hijack fbi.gov, and you'll end up on the most wanted list even if you fail.

  55. DJB Says by illuminatedwax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I told you so!

    Time to stop running BIND and Windows, people.
    djbdns is easier to set up by leaps and bounds, anyway.

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