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SBC Promotes Texas Anti-Wireless Bill

rhythmx writes "Details of this bill have been previously covered on Slashdot. SBC has since put up TV ads and a website saying that our telecom laws need to be changed. From their propaganda, "The Texas legislature has the opportunity to modernize telecom regulation and promote innovation to finally reach our goals for new technologies and enhanced consumer benefits." They hardy even mention the bill itself, basically only that it is "Good for Texas -- Good for Texans." This bill has already passed through the House and is now in the Texas state Senate."

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  1. Get a grip. by FreeLinux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And what surprises you about this. A large corporation is lobbying both politically and publicly in favor of a position that supports its own interest and is contrary to the general public's interest. This is surprising? This is news?

    Here's a news flash. Whining about SBC on Slashdot will have zero effect on this issue. ZERO There is, as yet, no law stopping you from putting up your own website and running your own television "propaganda" campaign on the matter.

    What's more is that SBC is at least partly correct when they state that it is unfair that some providers, such as themselves, are regulated while others, such as any new comer, are not. It is unfair. I'm sure you aren't going to lose any sleep over SBC's losses, and neither am I but, if it were you that was being prejudiced against, you'd be crying the blues and singing another story completely.

    1. Re:Get a grip. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Informative

      > What's more is that SBC is at least partly correct
      > when they state that it is unfair that some
      > providers, such as themselves, are regulated while
      > others, such as any new comer, are not. It is
      > unfair.

      Yet morally, they're on low ground. SBC is regulated for a reason. Care to explain to the readers why, without the spin?

    2. Re:Get a grip. by OpenGLFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's a news flash. Whining about SBC on Slashdot will have zero effect on this issue. ZERO There is, as yet, no law stopping you from putting up your own website and running your own television "propaganda" campaign on the matter.

      So what should we do? I'm asking seriously. Call a state Senator? Write him? Attach a $20 bill to the letter? Seriously, I bet there are thousands of Texas /.'ers who have never tried to influence their state representatives outside of election day. What's the best way to fight this?

    3. Re:Get a grip. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call a state Senator? Write him?

      Yes, write your representative, tell him he's lost a vote.

      Write your own words, without resorting to name calling or cursing, or any other immature stuff that would get your letter summarily tossed into the trash can.

      Don't send a boilerplate letter, partake in a mass-mailing, and don't waste time signing some online petition, those go straight to the trash can too (and for good reason, since they all reek of an agenda).

      Believe it or not, when politicians start to see a growing number of real registered voters are turning against them, they actually do take heed.

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    4. Re:Get a grip. by twifosp · · Score: 5, Interesting
      And what surprises you about this. A large corporation is lobbying both politically and publicly in favor of a position that supports its own interest and is contrary to the general public's interest. This is surprising? This is news?

      Suprising? No. News? Yes.

      As a resident of Texas, I actually wasn't aware fo this until I opened up Slashdot today. First, shame on me.

      While your general tone of apathy is not suprising, it's also not helping the situation. In fact, Slashdot's "whining" is doing far more than you're overated post. When voting rolls around, I'll be sure to do a bit of simple research to find out which politicians are supporting this type of iniative, and assuming their opponents aren't asshats, vote for their opposition.

      I've also forwarded this article to no less than 9 coworkers (geeks), who I'm sure will spread the word. We're all registered voters. So saying zero, no wait ZERO! effect on the issue is just plain wrong. It might only have .00001 effect on the issue, but it's going to have an effect. Votes will be swayed by this.

      Lose the apathy, captain whiney, it is what's wrong with this place (and country) in the first place.

      On a side note, imagine that. I learned something from Slashdot today. And as a bonus, I learned something before noon.

    5. Re:Get a grip. by sacrilicious · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Whining about SBC on Slashdot will have zero effect on this issue.

      Yet posting about this on slashdot can create widerspread discussion and can allow people to advocate action. It's a fine line.

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    6. Re:Get a grip. by twifosp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What happened? The governor still signed it. And you know what? He'll get reelected in spite of the fact that he gave away some control of our municipalities to corporations. Conservatives are right when they say money is speech. It's the only speech politicians every listen to. Be that as it may, I don't plan to roll over and die just because Cooperate America is taking countrol of my country.

      You know why money is the only speech? Because regular speech by regular citizens gets in the way of Must See TV.

      Your attitude is EXACTLY why money rules all. Because WE let it. Instead of making excuses on slashdot, why don't you go try and do something about it. Better to try and fail, than sit there and fail.

      I'd call people with your attitude a pussy, but that would make lazy cats look bad.

  2. It's all about the spin. by mogrify · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd hope that any position that a telecom company takes on telecom regulation would be met with an appropriate degree of skepticism. Hey, you can't fault them for trying to spin the issue, but you can't really expect a balanced view of things.

    The problem is using phrases like 'fair' and 'well-balanced' to describe a position that is clearly neither of those things. Fox News, anyone?

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    1. Re:It's all about the spin. by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good for Texas...Good for Texans
      That has to be the most inane slogan I've ever heard, but I'm sure the idiot majority will eat it up with a spoon.

      Spin is a drain on the country. I wish someone besides John Stewart would come out on one of these news shows and call bullshit. All the pundits are just talking heads for their respective parties, spewing inane talking points 'til the cows come home.

  3. This reminds me... by Philosinfinity · · Score: 4, Informative

    of when SBC got the Illinois house and senate to draft, vote on, and enact a bill of their liking in less than a week. This was record time in our state. The amount of money this company dumps into state politics is so insane that they are entirely able to control the elected officials or fund the campaign of the person who will replace them in the next election.

  4. Radio... by jmrobinson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've also put up radio commercials featuring the "telecomedian." and I quote:

    "Back in my day, a blog was a creature from the deep!"

    "Back in my day, PDA meant Public display of affection!".

    They portray it as laws holding back technological innovation, when in reality those laws help save us some $$$, and help the small businesses get a foot in the door. I grind my teeth every time I hear those commercials.

    1. Re:Radio... by Loco3KGT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Save you money?

      How does the government installing wireless everywhere save you money? The government is paying for that with tax dollars. You remember taxes? Where the government takes your money and gives it to someone else?

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  5. Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by awhelan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a libertarian I'm generally against state governments spending tax dollars on services that people would otherwise pay for themselves, but municipal Wi-Fi is not a bad thing. The goal is to provide information to people who wouldn't normally be able to access to it. It's not anti-competitive because people still need cable or DSL if they want their own IP address, a more reliable connection, a web server, or just more bandwidth... if they don't need these things then DSL/cable wouldn't be worth it to them anyway. Free Wi-Fi is no more wrong than having free public libraries... or more relevantly, free internet at public libraries. What is the difference between providing your citizens with encyclopedias for reference at libraries, and access to Wikipedia via municipal Wi-Fi? I will admit that I have purchased fewer books because I have had access to public libraries, but bookstores still have their place. Sometimes I would really rather own a book than check it out for a week. This service provides very basic internet access, and anybody who wants more than that will pay for it. SBC should not be any more worried than your local bookstore.

    ...and if you disagree respond insted of just modding me down, I'd way rather hear your point than go to karma hell =)

    1. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, you get a lot of them online. Most real-world libertarians are more concerned with government intrusion into private life than with deregulating everything.

      I consider myself to be a liberal libertarian. IMO the corporate world has proven for hundreds of years that it cannot be trusted to do the right thing unless the right thing also happens to be the profitable thing, and as such needs to be regulated tightly. However, I'm also a non-Christian and I resent the enforcement of hardline Christian morality, such as the ban on gay marriage, that the Republican Party advocates.

    2. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by WaxParadigm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " As a libertarian ... municipal Wi-Fi is not a bad thing."

      You, my friend?!? are not a libertarian.

      "Free Wi-Fi is no more wrong than having free public libraries... or more relevantly, free internet at public libraries."

      Why not free cars, houses, food, health care, computers, etc?

      You're not a libertarian, just a selective socialist (I imagine you're selective for when it's beneficial to you, or when you simply don't understand how the principles of liberty and freedom might apply to a particular topic.

      The problem with municipal WIFI (and why, as a consumer, I support bills like this to remind government of it's proper role) is something called "tyranny of the majority." Essentially the will of the majority is FORCED upon the minority. In this case the purchasing choise of the "majority" (purchase this service through the government instead of a company) is not only forced on the minority (who want to purchase it from the free market or don't want it at all) but the majority gets to subsidize their choice with the monies of those in the minority (to the majority this makes the service seem "free" or at least cheap...while the minority carries the burden).

      At the end of the day, this is a service that can be provided by/within the free market, and is not important enough to warrent sendind people to jail and taking their posessions if they choose not to fund it...so it is not an appropriate service for the government to fund using tax dollars. If a city council wants to compete with other ISPs, they can quit the council, get some VC funding or a business loan, and start a business like everyone else.

  6. Well, this is depressing by the+arbiter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good God, this may be the most depressing thing I've ever read.

    This bill is no different then, let's say, forbidding the citizens of a municipality from forming their own fire department...and making only one company the legal provider of "fire protection services".

    In short, SBC is asking the state of Texas to provide them with a legally-approved monopoly. And the state is doing it.

    When does this stop? When will citizens realize that the very people they're putting in office are signing over every right and interest they have to corporations who has no regard for their health, safety, or welfare? (And I'm hoping that the citizenry is ignorant of what's happening, because if they're not, the notion that people are willing to sign over their democratic rights is too depressing for me to contemplate)

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    1. Re:Well, this is depressing by CharlieHedlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems like there are a lot of companies doing WiFi than just SBC. Sure, they don't want it taking from the DSL or cable revenue, but I doubt that is likely to happen. So how does asking the government not to drive corporations out of a new industry give them a monopoly?

      This just prevents the government from getting a monopoly.

      Everyone here is just eager to get taxpayer provided Interet access. think about this not in the terms of what you get out of it. Think of it more as "do we want the government owing our ISP?" Think of the goverment abuses and censorship that happens now.

    2. Re:Well, this is depressing by the+arbiter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see anything in any municipal Wi-Fi proposal, anywhere, that says the municipality will be the sole mandatory provider of wireless services. So I'm unclear as to how "the government" obtains a monopoly from these proposals. They're just one provider among many. And since I PAID for the freaking infrastructure, I'd like to see the government I ELECTED have the option to provide service on that infrastructure.

      What is clear from the article and legislation being proposed is that SBC doesn't want competitors. Had you read the article, you would have read that there are not "a lot" of Wi-Fi providers duking it our in Texas, but only two, SBC and Verizon. It's quite clear that they want a duopoly, just like they have here in northern San Diego, and they'll spilt the state up between the two of them, just like they have here in Southern California. SBC gets some areas, Verizon gets the rest. There's no locale here where you get to choose between them. It's either one or the other. It's not pretty. High cost and shitty, surly service.

      I wish you had a good point with the "do you want the government owning your ISP" argument, but sadly every ISP in America seems more than willing to comply with any government request for information or restrictions, legal or not. I just can't see how it would make any difference who my provider is, government or private, as they all operate under the same rules and restrictions.

      Sadly, I can think of at least clear benefit from "the government" owning my ISP, in that they have little financial incentive to harvest and sell information about my browsing and buying habits as so many ISPs do.

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  7. I agree, SBC should do unregulated wireless too by emil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rather than strapping our country into a PSTN that was never designed for DSL data rates, we should have a free-for-all on wifi, where anyone with the dollars can set up a subscription network.

    Land-line broadband is hopelessly bundled with services that I don't want (cable tv, POTS). wifi is the only hope for unbundled broadband.

    It is tempting to let municipalities do wifi - they would do it well, but the phone companies will always be at their throats with the legislative process.

    I'd rather see the FCC set aside much more wifi bandwidth, and have my pick of 50 providers. I probably won't get that either, since everyone in government is bought and paid for.

  8. Other links on Texas HB789 by sartin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The bill history for HB789 is interesting. Notably, it shows how quickly (and without a recorded vote so those of us who live in Texas can't even accuse our representatives of actually supporting this legislation) the bill passed.

    Austin Wireless and Austin Wireless City both have coverage of what it means to Austin. The Save Muni Wireless group was put together in response to challenges like this; they include much better commentary on why HB789 is a bad idea than would be worth repeating here. If you really want to understand the issue, check some of these sites.

    Even the High Tech Broadband Coalition (a group of telecom, hardware, and software companies) was against HB789.

    Several local news stories:

    For those in Texas who want this law changed, it's probably a good time to call or write your state Senator today before this bill sails through committee and a floor non-vote.

  9. Consumer Activism by CdBee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Britain we also have a situation where prominent industry figures are increasingly represented on state regulatory boards.

    If you can't rely on your politicians to refuse industry funding, and the fox is guarding the henhouse as a result of this, perhaps its time for someone to start protest sites and organise bodies to protest for the consumer instead of allowing legislation for the benefit of the industry

    Protest at SBC and Verizon's offices, shops, outlets, as well as at state legislatures and ballot boxes. It might work....

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  10. Actually by Inglix+the+Mad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have ZERO tolerance for this crap (but am not suprised by it). I also have ZERO sympathy for any phone company. They act like THEY paid for the copper and fiber. Maybe in the last couple of years they paid for some, but our tax dollars (possibly going back to your grandparents generation) paid for MOST of the cabling in this country. At least cable companies paid for their own dang lines. Though their bloodsucking sometimes too. In the end, Texans should act like Texans and shoot these thieves.

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  11. Rather than asking why... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason why ILECs are regulated is because the telephone was the primary method of realtime person-to-person communication which wasn't face to face for damn near 100 years, and government decided that it was vital enough to require that telephone service be provided to as many people as possible in as high of a state of reliability as possible. My wireline phone service has "downtime" far less than just about any other service I get.

    However, it's a fair question to ask why they're regulated more than their new breed of competition. This new competition (wireless, VoIP, etc) has been far less reliable to this point in my experience. Vonage, while I love it, has certainly had repeated outages in the year that I've had it. It's been more reliable than Windows, but less reliable than my Verizon POTS.

    Ditto with my Optimum Online.

    If communications are essential for things like emergency service, and are a cause worthy of "universal service" type of access, then we need to regulate them to an extent to get the same level of reliability. If it's not that important, then there's no reason SBC should have to play by these rules, but not their competition.

    1. Re:Rather than asking why... by learn+fast · · Score: 4, Insightful

      wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

      You slept through economics class again, didn't you?

      The reason why telephone service was regulated was not because it was the "primary method of realtime person-to-person communication" it's because phone service was believed to be a natural monopoly , meaning that costs could only be lowest with one, large firm serving everybody. But since that firm would be able to charge whatever it wanted or deny service to anyone it really felt like (it being the only firm in the market) natural monopolies must be heavily regulated to prevent that.

      In theory, the inefficiency of regulation will less than either the firm would behave if totally uncontrolled or if left to competition (or outright socialization of the firm). Utilities, like water or power service for example, are ideal examples of natural monopoly -- we can't have many competing firms trying to install their own pipes or telephone poles.

      Anyway, for much more than I can describe here, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly.

    2. Re:Rather than asking why... by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There's comfort. If I had the option here, I'd take the train to driving or flying to any location within a reasonable distance.

      Driving is stressful and unpleasant. And the idiot airlines are doing their very best to ensure flying isn't much less, and the latter pretty much insists you either pay four figure seat prices or else fly in massive discomfort.

      So I disgree with "it offers a service no one wants" or "There is really no advantage to using Amtrak over other options." That may be true for you and your specific situation, but you don't speak for everyone.

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      "Legislator targeting".

    Run the online demo. Especially the "asset tracking system", which generates maps It looks like Hollywood's vision of something a corrupt organization would use. But it's real.

  13. Govt. Subsidized Wifi is a bad idea by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Altoona PA subsidized a local non-profit to provide dialup internet service. Same excuse as normal: promote high technology.

    The result:

    1. The non-profit did the same mediocre job that every government subsidized project does.
    2. Most of the independent ISPs (including the one I worked for) pulled out of Altoona since we couldn't compete (not enough people buy on quality; most buy on price).
    3. As broadband was deployed, all the non-ILECs stayed out of Altoona.
    4. The available options for Internet service in Altoona suck rocks.

    Government subsidized anything sucks the life out of a market and just about guarantees stagnation. They're right to block it in Texas!

    The better issue to be made is open access to the public infrastructure. The ILECs and cable companies use your right-of-way that you, the taxpayer, own. They should be compelled to open that part of their infrastructure to competitors at or near cost.

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    1. Re:Govt. Subsidized Wifi is a bad idea by tthomas48 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously you've never had an internet connection provided by a for-profit company. Time Warner is much like calling the government. They don't care, they know they're the only choice you have. I think after a month or two of no service you might get a refund. Maybe. If you complain enough. I fail to see how a governmental non-profit could do worse. Perhaps just as bad...

  14. This would really suck by kerrle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The city I live in - Corpus Christi, TX - is about to become the first metro area of our size (~250,000 people) with full WiFi coverage. There's a report on it here.

    It would really suck if we had this infrastructure and weren't able to allow people to access it - the plan was to have full Internet access from most of the city.

    The network is already up, with a nice page that explains what it is when you connect and open up IE.

  15. There's an old saying we have in Texas by Laconian · · Score: 3, Funny

    As a resident of Texas, I actually wasn't aware fo this until I opened up Slashdot today. First, shame on me.

    Fool me once... shame on... shame on you.

    Fool me.. you can't get fooled again.

  16. Charge 1 cent by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fine, they want to stop free access?! Fine, we can play this game.

    If I owned a coffee shop and previously offered free WiFi access, then if this bill got passed I would charge....1 penny. And to boot, I would roll it up in the price of the coffee.

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