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SBC Promotes Texas Anti-Wireless Bill

rhythmx writes "Details of this bill have been previously covered on Slashdot. SBC has since put up TV ads and a website saying that our telecom laws need to be changed. From their propaganda, "The Texas legislature has the opportunity to modernize telecom regulation and promote innovation to finally reach our goals for new technologies and enhanced consumer benefits." They hardy even mention the bill itself, basically only that it is "Good for Texas -- Good for Texans." This bill has already passed through the House and is now in the Texas state Senate."

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  1. Get a grip. by FreeLinux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And what surprises you about this. A large corporation is lobbying both politically and publicly in favor of a position that supports its own interest and is contrary to the general public's interest. This is surprising? This is news?

    Here's a news flash. Whining about SBC on Slashdot will have zero effect on this issue. ZERO There is, as yet, no law stopping you from putting up your own website and running your own television "propaganda" campaign on the matter.

    What's more is that SBC is at least partly correct when they state that it is unfair that some providers, such as themselves, are regulated while others, such as any new comer, are not. It is unfair. I'm sure you aren't going to lose any sleep over SBC's losses, and neither am I but, if it were you that was being prejudiced against, you'd be crying the blues and singing another story completely.

    1. Re:Get a grip. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Informative

      > What's more is that SBC is at least partly correct
      > when they state that it is unfair that some
      > providers, such as themselves, are regulated while
      > others, such as any new comer, are not. It is
      > unfair.

      Yet morally, they're on low ground. SBC is regulated for a reason. Care to explain to the readers why, without the spin?

    2. Re:Get a grip. by OpenGLFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's a news flash. Whining about SBC on Slashdot will have zero effect on this issue. ZERO There is, as yet, no law stopping you from putting up your own website and running your own television "propaganda" campaign on the matter.

      So what should we do? I'm asking seriously. Call a state Senator? Write him? Attach a $20 bill to the letter? Seriously, I bet there are thousands of Texas /.'ers who have never tried to influence their state representatives outside of election day. What's the best way to fight this?

    3. Re:Get a grip. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call a state Senator? Write him?

      Yes, write your representative, tell him he's lost a vote.

      Write your own words, without resorting to name calling or cursing, or any other immature stuff that would get your letter summarily tossed into the trash can.

      Don't send a boilerplate letter, partake in a mass-mailing, and don't waste time signing some online petition, those go straight to the trash can too (and for good reason, since they all reek of an agenda).

      Believe it or not, when politicians start to see a growing number of real registered voters are turning against them, they actually do take heed.

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    4. Re:Get a grip. by twifosp · · Score: 5, Interesting
      And what surprises you about this. A large corporation is lobbying both politically and publicly in favor of a position that supports its own interest and is contrary to the general public's interest. This is surprising? This is news?

      Suprising? No. News? Yes.

      As a resident of Texas, I actually wasn't aware fo this until I opened up Slashdot today. First, shame on me.

      While your general tone of apathy is not suprising, it's also not helping the situation. In fact, Slashdot's "whining" is doing far more than you're overated post. When voting rolls around, I'll be sure to do a bit of simple research to find out which politicians are supporting this type of iniative, and assuming their opponents aren't asshats, vote for their opposition.

      I've also forwarded this article to no less than 9 coworkers (geeks), who I'm sure will spread the word. We're all registered voters. So saying zero, no wait ZERO! effect on the issue is just plain wrong. It might only have .00001 effect on the issue, but it's going to have an effect. Votes will be swayed by this.

      Lose the apathy, captain whiney, it is what's wrong with this place (and country) in the first place.

      On a side note, imagine that. I learned something from Slashdot today. And as a bonus, I learned something before noon.

    5. Re:Get a grip. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Yes, write your representative, tell him he's lost a vote.

      It doesn't apply to this case, since it looks like normal lobbying, but if you really want some action that's a little more punitive than "well I just won't vote for you", send a copy to whatever ethics board oversees that elected official. They get enough letters, they start to think something's really up, they start investigations, they can really ruin a politician's year.

      You should only do this for actions that really stink though -- cry wolf enough times, and you destroy the whole thing.

    6. Re:Get a grip. by denissmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When you say that I as an individual have the ability to broadcast MY message, by purchasing commercial air-time YOU ARE WRONG. You are naive. Go to adbusters.org. They have tried to purchase air-time for commercials for YEARS without success. Television stations will not sell air-time to anyone who questions their pro-corporate message. They don't have to, and they won't. If you believe this is a level playing field, if you believe you have equal access to the airwave you are living a dream world. Try it.

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    7. Re:Get a grip. by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Informative
      Pennsylvania just passed a bill like this. I made sure everyone knew about it. My mom works in the local Democratic party and tried to help and raise awareness. My geek coworkers wrote letters.

      What happened? The governor still signed it. And you know what? He'll get reelected in spite of the fact that he gave away some control of our municipalities to corporations.

      Conservatives are right when they say money is speech. It's the only speech politicians every listen to.

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    8. Re:Get a grip. by Math,+The+Ancient · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "There is, as yet, no law stopping you from putting up your own website and running your own television "propaganda" campaign on the matter."

      There doesn't need to be a law when it takes $1000 per second to air.

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    9. Re:Get a grip. by sacrilicious · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Whining about SBC on Slashdot will have zero effect on this issue.

      Yet posting about this on slashdot can create widerspread discussion and can allow people to advocate action. It's a fine line.

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    10. Re:Get a grip. by twifosp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What happened? The governor still signed it. And you know what? He'll get reelected in spite of the fact that he gave away some control of our municipalities to corporations. Conservatives are right when they say money is speech. It's the only speech politicians every listen to. Be that as it may, I don't plan to roll over and die just because Cooperate America is taking countrol of my country.

      You know why money is the only speech? Because regular speech by regular citizens gets in the way of Must See TV.

      Your attitude is EXACTLY why money rules all. Because WE let it. Instead of making excuses on slashdot, why don't you go try and do something about it. Better to try and fail, than sit there and fail.

      I'd call people with your attitude a pussy, but that would make lazy cats look bad.

  2. It's all about the spin. by mogrify · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd hope that any position that a telecom company takes on telecom regulation would be met with an appropriate degree of skepticism. Hey, you can't fault them for trying to spin the issue, but you can't really expect a balanced view of things.

    The problem is using phrases like 'fair' and 'well-balanced' to describe a position that is clearly neither of those things. Fox News, anyone?

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    1. Re:It's all about the spin. by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good for Texas...Good for Texans
      That has to be the most inane slogan I've ever heard, but I'm sure the idiot majority will eat it up with a spoon.

      Spin is a drain on the country. I wish someone besides John Stewart would come out on one of these news shows and call bullshit. All the pundits are just talking heads for their respective parties, spewing inane talking points 'til the cows come home.

    2. Re:It's all about the spin. by mogrify · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear ya. Funny thing is, he'd be the first one to say that it's sad that he's the only one in the trenches.

      This is just one more example of how hard it is to get real, unbiased information these days. It's not just telecom, people.

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    3. Re:It's all about the spin. by asoko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not harder to get real, unbiased information. It's just that now we're starting to have more sources that can easily be compared, and we're realizing how biased most sources are.

    4. Re:It's all about the spin. by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, you can't fault them for trying to spin the issue

      Sure I can. Just as I can fault any lying sack of shit trying to fuck with my life by messing with the legal system. They *are* liars and they *are* at fault, and no amount of 'spin' will ever change those facts.

      Max

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  3. This reminds me... by Philosinfinity · · Score: 4, Informative

    of when SBC got the Illinois house and senate to draft, vote on, and enact a bill of their liking in less than a week. This was record time in our state. The amount of money this company dumps into state politics is so insane that they are entirely able to control the elected officials or fund the campaign of the person who will replace them in the next election.

  4. Radio... by jmrobinson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've also put up radio commercials featuring the "telecomedian." and I quote:

    "Back in my day, a blog was a creature from the deep!"

    "Back in my day, PDA meant Public display of affection!".

    They portray it as laws holding back technological innovation, when in reality those laws help save us some $$$, and help the small businesses get a foot in the door. I grind my teeth every time I hear those commercials.

    1. Re:Radio... by Loco3KGT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Save you money?

      How does the government installing wireless everywhere save you money? The government is paying for that with tax dollars. You remember taxes? Where the government takes your money and gives it to someone else?

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    2. Re:Radio... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Informative
      How does the government installing wireless everywhere save you money?

      Didn't they do a survey a number of years ago that discovered that many people do not understand the connection between the government's money and taxes? There are people who think the government just has its own money to spend.

    3. Re:Radio... by GlassUser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Save you money?

      How does the government installing wireless everywhere save you money? The government is paying for that with tax dollars. You remember taxes? Where the government takes your money and gives it to someone else?


      Or, the government votes to have a third party install this network for a guaranteed monopoly and rates set by this local government. No tax dollars spent there.

      Of course this wouldn't be too dissimilar to the SBC scenario, except that the local government (municipality, I'd guess) would have complete control over who does it, and what they charge.

    4. Re:Radio... by GlassUser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with guaranteeing a monopoly is that this third party will have no incentive to improve its services to compete with other vendors. Though the rates may be the same, the service won't.

      True, but it's a lot easier to manage on a local level. It also allows smaller players to compete on their scale. So, say, Elk, TX can get their own wireless broadband by ElkCo (this is just a fictional example as far as I know), when SBC really wouldn't care about the two hundred people there, and give them shank service.

      Plus, the contract can be renewed at a frequency that better suits the size of the authority (say it's important to them and they want a public review every six months, it's their call). They also have control over specifics of the contract, the ability to negotiate small things that really wouldn't matter to the state (or megacorporation) at all.

    5. Re:Radio... by PornMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So... if I go with SBC wifi instead of gov't wifi, I get to pay for both, one through taxes, and the other through subscription fees? How's that a bargain, again?

    6. Re:Radio... by learn+fast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're assuming that it costs the same for a municipality to give wireless to everyone as the sum of what SBC would charge all of those people individually.

      To put it in other terms, the only reason cities are considering doing this is because it's so damn cheap to the point of being non-excludable. Do you really think a city-wide wifi WLAN would cost $29.99 per person per month?

  5. Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by awhelan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a libertarian I'm generally against state governments spending tax dollars on services that people would otherwise pay for themselves, but municipal Wi-Fi is not a bad thing. The goal is to provide information to people who wouldn't normally be able to access to it. It's not anti-competitive because people still need cable or DSL if they want their own IP address, a more reliable connection, a web server, or just more bandwidth... if they don't need these things then DSL/cable wouldn't be worth it to them anyway. Free Wi-Fi is no more wrong than having free public libraries... or more relevantly, free internet at public libraries. What is the difference between providing your citizens with encyclopedias for reference at libraries, and access to Wikipedia via municipal Wi-Fi? I will admit that I have purchased fewer books because I have had access to public libraries, but bookstores still have their place. Sometimes I would really rather own a book than check it out for a week. This service provides very basic internet access, and anybody who wants more than that will pay for it. SBC should not be any more worried than your local bookstore.

    ...and if you disagree respond insted of just modding me down, I'd way rather hear your point than go to karma hell =)

    1. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by FreeLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a libertarian I'm generally against state governments spending tax dollars on services that people would otherwise pay for themselves, but...

      since I would personally benefit in this particular case, I am perfectly willing to cast my libertarian principles aside.

      So, what's the difference between you and the state congress critter that gives in to corporate lobbying?

    2. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by CharlieHedlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But what about all the companies that have invested to put WiFi where it is? Is it fair for the cities to decide that it should be free and drive them out of business?

      How is this different than Microsoft giving away Internet Explorer to drive Netscape out of business? How is this different than Microsoft giving away Media player hurting real? These are all things that have seemed good to a vast number of consumers, they got something for nothing. It also drove competition between Netscape and Microsoft, but led us to the spyware hell we are in today.

      Corporations looking to protect their interests aren't evil. If the cities are going to drive the inovative hotspot providers out of business what incentive is there for the next innovation?

      Disclaimer, as in the past, I have a small financial interest in a national WiFi provider. Before you tell me to get rid of it, its a bad possition, sometimes we don't have that choice. Dispite this disclaimer, I believe everything I have written.

    3. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2, Informative

      not to a hardline libertarian. To those people, if the free market can't do it, it's not worth doing. See also: Dale Gribble, King of the Hill.

    4. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by YoJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with your sentiment, but there are more considerations. Every issue has points in favor of allowing the government to do it, and points against it. I think the best way to answer this question is by starting with excludability, then possibly making arguments against the general principle if a particular case has novel features. The principle of excludability says that the government should provide services when the cost of excluding non-payers is higher than the cost of the service. When a service is excludable, i.e. only people who pay for the service get it, then private industry is a better option. The free market will come up with more efficient solutions than a government if the service is excludable, but the government solution will be more efficient if the service is not excludable. Under the principle of excludability, roads should be government funded, universities should be private, electricity should be private, air pollution should be regulated by the government, libraries should be private. What about wireless? I think right now there is a significant cost of excluding non-payers. This is the login window where you enter your Cingular account info (or whatever). But, this time cost is much smaller than the monthly wireless service charges, so I believe that wireless should not be provided by the government. I can also imagine many technological measures that make excluding non-payers very cheap.

    5. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by awhelan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is it fair for the cities to decide that it should be free and drive them out of business?

      No, it isn't fair and unfortunately somebody is always going to lose. Starting a business is a gamble, and there is always a risk of something like this happening. It's more a question of whether or not it benefits the general public. To stick with the library analogy, if your company offered the same services as a library and charged members a $20/month fee, then the government suddenly started building libraries and put you out of business, that would be awful for you, but it doesn't make libraries a bad idea.

      How is this different than Microsoft giving away Internet Explorer to drive Netscape out of business?

      Intent? The government would do this (all corruption theories aside) to provide citizens with a free service, not to tighten their monopolistic grip on the Wi-Fi Market.

    6. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      not to a hardline libertarian. To those people, if the free market can't do it, it's not worth doing.

      I hate that kind of self-proclaimed libertarians. They're the nuts that think every cooperative venture in their ideal world must be some sort of corporation driven by market forces. Real libertarians realize that people can just get together and (say) form a volunteer fire department rather than everyone having to subscribe to a for-profit fire-fighting service if they want their burning house doused.

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    7. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, you get a lot of them online. Most real-world libertarians are more concerned with government intrusion into private life than with deregulating everything.

      I consider myself to be a liberal libertarian. IMO the corporate world has proven for hundreds of years that it cannot be trusted to do the right thing unless the right thing also happens to be the profitable thing, and as such needs to be regulated tightly. However, I'm also a non-Christian and I resent the enforcement of hardline Christian morality, such as the ban on gay marriage, that the Republican Party advocates.

    8. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by greenplato · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But what about all the companies that have invested to put WiFi where it is? Is it fair for the cities to decide that it should be free and drive them out of business?

      Sure. The "cities" are made up of citizens. They all have priorities. If they collectively decide to fund a "free" wifi system, then they have decided that they would rather do it themselves than pay a private firm. Just because a company has "invested" in an infrastructure, that does not mean that they have a god-given right to profit from their investments. An investment is a risk and it is not the city's role to make sure that every investor hits jackpot every time.

      Besides, nobody (I don't think) is looking to outlaw companies that would like to offer wifi service. There remain opportunities for them to run profitable businesses by beating the municipal wifi in areas other than price (service, coverage, speed, etc). If the other wifi providers are driven out of business, that means they had nothing special to offer the marketplace.

      How is this different than Microsoft giving away Internet Explorer to drive Netscape out of business?

      In a few ways.
      1. Intent: The city has no interest, or capability, to suppress or co-opt the growth of wifi. If the system becomes stagnant, there are fewer barriers to alternate service providers. Ultimately, voting in a new set of city administrators would solve the problem. The Microsoft browser case was much different. Can you vote in a new board for Microsoft?
      2. Bundling: Your use of municipal roads and water does not predispose you to using municipal wifi. You can have water delivered to your house by private contract, as you should have a choice in private or public wifi. With Windows and Internet Explorer, this was company using its success in one market segment to leverage itself into an advantage in another segment.
      3. Externalities: Funny you mention spyware. We have all suffered because of the stagnation of browser market because of the bundling of operating system and web browser. How does this apply to wifi? Will municipal wifi cause more potholes? I don't understand your argument.

      Corporations looking to protect their interests aren't evil.

      I agree. But the corporations exerting power to set public policy that ordinary citizen do not have is disgusting to many people here. Corporations that look to protect their profits at the expense of the citizenry is hardly ethical.

      Besides, I think the real profits are made in the content, not the connection. Free and ubiquitous wifi will be a boon to content providers in the way cable tv has been. Like it or not, our culture desires fat, free, and dense connections: our roads, our internet, our tv networks are all examples. Why not the airwaves too?

      If the cities are going to drive the inovative hotspot providers out of business what incentive is there for the next innovation?

      I think you answered your own question. The changing market will still allow entrepreneurs to innovate. Wifi is cool and all, but there should be more exciting things on the horizon. If cities reduce the opportunities for easy profits (pick the low hanging fruits), it will drive innovation into new technologies. I don't know about your city, but my county government just seemed to figure out how to connect to web. If cities are thinking wifi, it can't be cutting edge anymore.

    9. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by WaxParadigm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " As a libertarian ... municipal Wi-Fi is not a bad thing."

      You, my friend?!? are not a libertarian.

      "Free Wi-Fi is no more wrong than having free public libraries... or more relevantly, free internet at public libraries."

      Why not free cars, houses, food, health care, computers, etc?

      You're not a libertarian, just a selective socialist (I imagine you're selective for when it's beneficial to you, or when you simply don't understand how the principles of liberty and freedom might apply to a particular topic.

      The problem with municipal WIFI (and why, as a consumer, I support bills like this to remind government of it's proper role) is something called "tyranny of the majority." Essentially the will of the majority is FORCED upon the minority. In this case the purchasing choise of the "majority" (purchase this service through the government instead of a company) is not only forced on the minority (who want to purchase it from the free market or don't want it at all) but the majority gets to subsidize their choice with the monies of those in the minority (to the majority this makes the service seem "free" or at least cheap...while the minority carries the burden).

      At the end of the day, this is a service that can be provided by/within the free market, and is not important enough to warrent sendind people to jail and taking their posessions if they choose not to fund it...so it is not an appropriate service for the government to fund using tax dollars. If a city council wants to compete with other ISPs, they can quit the council, get some VC funding or a business loan, and start a business like everyone else.

    10. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I consider myself to be a liberal libertarian. IMO the corporate world has proven for hundreds of years that it cannot be trusted to do the right thing unless the right thing also happens to be the profitable thing, and as such needs to be regulated tightly. However, I'm also a non-Christian and I resent the enforcement of hardline Christian morality, such as the ban on gay marriage, that the Republican Party advocates.

      So how exactly are you a libertarian? You sound just like a liberal?

      A libertarian does not believe in government tightly regulating businesses, generally because the government does a shitty job of it and screws something else up in the meantime.

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    11. Re:Free Wi-Fi not so bad... by samdu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it cannot be trusted to do the right thing unless the right thing also happens to be the profitable thing

      Considering that it is the SOLE purpose of business to make a profit, this makes total sense. If you're running a "business" that puts the "right" thing ahead of profits, you're no longer running a business, you're running a charity. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just don't expect businesses to operate by the same motives. If something can't be operated at a profit and it is in the overwhelming good interest of the public, then let the government operate it, but make no mistake, government will not do so as efficiently as the private sector could.

      However, I'm also a non-Christian and I resent the enforcement of hardline Christian morality, such as the ban on gay marriage, that the Republican Party advocates.

      A true Libertarian would tell government to just get the hell out of the marriage business completely. There's no reason for government to be sanctioning any types of marriage. Let the Government recognize some sort of civil union for whatever tax and legal purposes they need to. Let the churches define marriage - or the lawyers. What I'd like to see is for marriage to turn into a legal contract much like any other legally binding agreement. If Steve and Bill want to enter into this agreement, draw up a "marriage" contract and have them both sign it. Same with Bill and Hillary or Bill, Hillary, AND Steve. I don't care what people do in their bedrooms as long as minors or incest isn't involved. Doesn't affect me in the least.

  6. Well, this is depressing by the+arbiter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good God, this may be the most depressing thing I've ever read.

    This bill is no different then, let's say, forbidding the citizens of a municipality from forming their own fire department...and making only one company the legal provider of "fire protection services".

    In short, SBC is asking the state of Texas to provide them with a legally-approved monopoly. And the state is doing it.

    When does this stop? When will citizens realize that the very people they're putting in office are signing over every right and interest they have to corporations who has no regard for their health, safety, or welfare? (And I'm hoping that the citizenry is ignorant of what's happening, because if they're not, the notion that people are willing to sign over their democratic rights is too depressing for me to contemplate)

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    1. Re:Well, this is depressing by CharlieHedlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems like there are a lot of companies doing WiFi than just SBC. Sure, they don't want it taking from the DSL or cable revenue, but I doubt that is likely to happen. So how does asking the government not to drive corporations out of a new industry give them a monopoly?

      This just prevents the government from getting a monopoly.

      Everyone here is just eager to get taxpayer provided Interet access. think about this not in the terms of what you get out of it. Think of it more as "do we want the government owing our ISP?" Think of the goverment abuses and censorship that happens now.

    2. Re:Well, this is depressing by the+arbiter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see anything in any municipal Wi-Fi proposal, anywhere, that says the municipality will be the sole mandatory provider of wireless services. So I'm unclear as to how "the government" obtains a monopoly from these proposals. They're just one provider among many. And since I PAID for the freaking infrastructure, I'd like to see the government I ELECTED have the option to provide service on that infrastructure.

      What is clear from the article and legislation being proposed is that SBC doesn't want competitors. Had you read the article, you would have read that there are not "a lot" of Wi-Fi providers duking it our in Texas, but only two, SBC and Verizon. It's quite clear that they want a duopoly, just like they have here in northern San Diego, and they'll spilt the state up between the two of them, just like they have here in Southern California. SBC gets some areas, Verizon gets the rest. There's no locale here where you get to choose between them. It's either one or the other. It's not pretty. High cost and shitty, surly service.

      I wish you had a good point with the "do you want the government owning your ISP" argument, but sadly every ISP in America seems more than willing to comply with any government request for information or restrictions, legal or not. I just can't see how it would make any difference who my provider is, government or private, as they all operate under the same rules and restrictions.

      Sadly, I can think of at least clear benefit from "the government" owning my ISP, in that they have little financial incentive to harvest and sell information about my browsing and buying habits as so many ISPs do.

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    3. Re:Well, this is depressing by Mattintosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      forbidding the citizens of a municipality from forming their own fire department...and making only one company the legal provider of "fire protection services"

      You're on to something there. I mean, civil disobedience has worked, but now corporations are greasing the politicians to ensure that it doesn't. So how about "enforced civil obedience"? Here's the plan:

      1) Start fire protection company
      2) ??? (oh, no...)
      3) Profit! (sorry. I had to.)
      4) Lobby for laws against government run fire protection districts, and be sure to cite these telecom laws as a basis for why you would ask for such a thing
      5)a) Law passes.
      6)a) PROFIT! (again!)
      5)b) Law fails.
      6)b) Make a massive stink about telecom companies getting preferencial treatment and turn the public against them.

      Enforce civil obedience upon the telecoms. Make them your bitch.

    4. Re:Well, this is depressing by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see anything in any municipal Wi-Fi proposal, anywhere, that says the municipality will be the sole mandatory provider of wireless services. So I'm unclear as to how "the government" obtains a monopoly from these proposals. They're just one provider among many.

      Yeah, with the huge exception that they are using money taken from you by threat of force to pay for this service for "everyone." This will lead to some people paying for wifi twice, and some people paying for it but not even needing or using it.

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      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
    5. Re:Well, this is depressing by bullitB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This bill is no different then, let's say, forbidding the citizens of a municipality from forming their own fire department...and making only one company the legal provider of "fire protection services".

      No one's house is going to burn down because they have no internet access. This is not an issue of public safety, which is the original reason why most municipalities switched from commercial firefighters to public ones.

      In short, SBC is asking the state of Texas to provide them with a legally-approved monopoly. And the state is doing it.

      No, that's what telephone companies have had for the last 100 years. SBC is asking to not have local government installs wireless networks with tax payer dollars (or, in other words, in form new monopolies with our money).

  7. I agree, SBC should do unregulated wireless too by emil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rather than strapping our country into a PSTN that was never designed for DSL data rates, we should have a free-for-all on wifi, where anyone with the dollars can set up a subscription network.

    Land-line broadband is hopelessly bundled with services that I don't want (cable tv, POTS). wifi is the only hope for unbundled broadband.

    It is tempting to let municipalities do wifi - they would do it well, but the phone companies will always be at their throats with the legislative process.

    I'd rather see the FCC set aside much more wifi bandwidth, and have my pick of 50 providers. I probably won't get that either, since everyone in government is bought and paid for.

    1. Re:I agree, SBC should do unregulated wireless too by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Broadband is not the answer for high speed Internet access.
      It is good in low density areas and for mobile applications but it fails once the density goes up.
      Even with 802.11g you only have 54mbits. While that seems like a lot it starts to suck when you get 500 people using it. There is a limited amount of bandwidth you can use for wireless. Think about it You can not have 50 WiFi suppliers to choose from. If you put 50 access points all covering one area you will get nothing! They will be stomping all over each other.

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    2. Re:I agree, SBC should do unregulated wireless too by petecarlson · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Broadband is not the answer for high speed Internet access.


      Broadband is high speed internet access. I will assume that you mean wireless.

      It is good in low density areas and for mobile applications but it fails once the density goes up.

      While this is true to a point, smart spread spectrum devices can utilize the available bandwith in a much more inteligent way. Your argument is parimount to saying that a pair of wires is good for one conversation. While this was once true, more inteligent devices were developed which allowed one pair of wires to push multiple conversations. Next someone figured out that the conversations had blank spaces in them and by using a digital signal we can now push multiple calls over one pair.

      Right now I am using 802.11b in an area with ~5 other WiSPs there are also thousands of residential APs and other sources of noise. By using directional antennas and filters, I am able to make things work well. As devices and spectrum become available, I will migrate to pread spectrum devices for my backhaul.

      Sell the spectrum to one company and they will figure out a way to make a profit and then do nothing more.

      Sell the spectrum to a couple of big companies and they will compete minimally. There will be some inovation but not much. Soon they will buy each other and we will be back at case one.

      Give most of the spectrum back to the people and we will figure out better ways to utilize it. There will be turbulence in the market but the best providers will win. Inovation will rule and the public will benifit.

      I believe that the spectrum is public property to be used by all. Good neighbor regulation is all we need. Listen first, try not to cause interfearance.

      CP

  8. Other links on Texas HB789 by sartin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The bill history for HB789 is interesting. Notably, it shows how quickly (and without a recorded vote so those of us who live in Texas can't even accuse our representatives of actually supporting this legislation) the bill passed.

    Austin Wireless and Austin Wireless City both have coverage of what it means to Austin. The Save Muni Wireless group was put together in response to challenges like this; they include much better commentary on why HB789 is a bad idea than would be worth repeating here. If you really want to understand the issue, check some of these sites.

    Even the High Tech Broadband Coalition (a group of telecom, hardware, and software companies) was against HB789.

    Several local news stories:

    For those in Texas who want this law changed, it's probably a good time to call or write your state Senator today before this bill sails through committee and a floor non-vote.

  9. Consumer Activism by CdBee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Britain we also have a situation where prominent industry figures are increasingly represented on state regulatory boards.

    If you can't rely on your politicians to refuse industry funding, and the fox is guarding the henhouse as a result of this, perhaps its time for someone to start protest sites and organise bodies to protest for the consumer instead of allowing legislation for the benefit of the industry

    Protest at SBC and Verizon's offices, shops, outlets, as well as at state legislatures and ballot boxes. It might work....

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  10. Actually by Inglix+the+Mad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have ZERO tolerance for this crap (but am not suprised by it). I also have ZERO sympathy for any phone company. They act like THEY paid for the copper and fiber. Maybe in the last couple of years they paid for some, but our tax dollars (possibly going back to your grandparents generation) paid for MOST of the cabling in this country. At least cable companies paid for their own dang lines. Though their bloodsucking sometimes too. In the end, Texans should act like Texans and shoot these thieves.

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    1. Re:Actually by cdagobah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And who do you think pays for the maintenance of the cable?!? The phone companies spend millions of dollars every year making sure that the cable the runs to your house is free from defects. This year alone, El Nino has cost SBC over 70 million dollars in extra cable and service repairs here in California.

      Another point which I'm sure you are unaware is that back before the divestiture in 1984, almost all cable in between central offices was copper. Since then, most if not all phone companies have upgraded their inter-office cable to fiber which is far more reliable. Also, the investment in a telephone network is not in the cable alone. In an era where we are consistently challenging Moore's Law, investment in faster transport technologies has been a requirement to keep up the pace. Very little of the government purchased network even exists in its original form compared to what is currently employed.

      Don't get me wrong though, I disagree with SBCs tactics to stifile competition but as a service company, very few are able to compete in reliability.

  11. Rather than asking why... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason why ILECs are regulated is because the telephone was the primary method of realtime person-to-person communication which wasn't face to face for damn near 100 years, and government decided that it was vital enough to require that telephone service be provided to as many people as possible in as high of a state of reliability as possible. My wireline phone service has "downtime" far less than just about any other service I get.

    However, it's a fair question to ask why they're regulated more than their new breed of competition. This new competition (wireless, VoIP, etc) has been far less reliable to this point in my experience. Vonage, while I love it, has certainly had repeated outages in the year that I've had it. It's been more reliable than Windows, but less reliable than my Verizon POTS.

    Ditto with my Optimum Online.

    If communications are essential for things like emergency service, and are a cause worthy of "universal service" type of access, then we need to regulate them to an extent to get the same level of reliability. If it's not that important, then there's no reason SBC should have to play by these rules, but not their competition.

    1. Re:Rather than asking why... by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You hit the nail right on the head. The appropriate time to find out you don't have 911 service, for instance, is not when you try to call it.

    2. Re:Rather than asking why... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think it's a good argument for updating the regulation, not necessarily either abolishing it or applying it to everyone.

      Right now, ILECs have a near monopoly on the "last mile". Cable is about the only near competitor, but as there's never been a universal access requirement for cable, it's not something that can be as universal and thus important as standard telephone wire.

      ILECs use their wire to supply a number of services that require that last-mile line but do not, by themselves, need to be provided by the line owner. This is far more true now than it was in 1984, or 1970, or 1950, or 1920, where in all cases building a telephone exchange was a substantial investment requiring a lot of space and a lot of integration with the lines used.

      I think Vonage isn't regulated enough. They're allowed to claim they have "911 service", despite the fact their's isn't the same as anyone else's. I think they also suffer from relying upon underlying third parties that themselves have little regulation. If I access them via Earthlink, my phone service's reliability is dependent on Earthlink, BellWhatever, and Vonage, and only one of those organizations is regulated.

      I'm not suggesting the government should go over the top, but I think a little bit of standards enforcement would go a long way. At the very least:

      1. Telecommunications operators should be required to be non-discriminatory in the way they manage traffic. The basic division of business vs residential lines worked for decades, now ISPs try to do the same thing by, instead, blocking ports and putting absurd restrictions in their AUPs. That needs to change. The Internet becomes less reliable and less adaptable the more these kinds of technical bodges are applied to it. For them to be applied purely in the name of trying to persuade a home user who wants to access their digital photos from work to upgrade to a $400/month T1 connection is just plain stupid.
      2. Telecommunications operators should be required to provide a minimum service level to all-comers. This doesn't have to be the advertised "Dude! Surf the net at sixteen gigabits!" kind of thing that ISPs try to stay close to, but it has to be clearly stated in the advertising and it has to be reasonable. That service level needs to be both bandwidth and up-time based. It could be as basic as "We guarantee up and downlink speeds of 128kb/s with 99.999% of packets transported through our part of the network at those speeds successfully. We will make a best effort, however, to provide bandwidth closer to 1.5mb/s most of the time. And, at the very least, mandate certain minimum service levels that apply to everyone providing DSL.
      3. These rules should apply when the technology makes it credible. It is credible for DSL. It isn't for dial-up, and it isn't for wireless phone access (2.5G or 3G solutions), so it shouldn't apply for the latter, however those selling these unregulated Internet access services should have a duty of making sure that their customers are aware of this.
      4. Subject Vonage and other VoIP services to the same QoS minimums that ILECs are currently subject to
      All of this will annoy the libertarians, but it can come at a benefit of removing some of the cost controls and other controls that currently apply to telephone companies. Regulate last mile access and co-lo charges, but deregulate, for example, regular telephone service pricing and the services an ILEC can offer. Make it a decent swap.

      As a general rule, most businesses aren't actually unhappy about being required to conform to standards, unless they're the only people in their sector doing so. Usually, those standards prevent a "race to the bottom", which ultimately hurts the industry over-all while not benefiting those who avoid being part of that race. Restaurants, for example, are all too aware of what would happen if health inspections and minimum health requirements were removed - pretty soon the entire industry would be damaged and people would stop going because of a rash of food poisoning incidents. Level playing fields are good.

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    3. Re:Rather than asking why... by kmeister62 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find this interesting. Here in Virginia the Gas company (read monopoly) on providing service to your house has been deregulated. I am at liberty to purchase my natural gas from any supplier I wish. The gas company must provide service across their lines to my house. I pay a distribution fee that covers the cost of gas line maintenance and service to get the gas to my house over the monopoly lines. The distro charge is regulated to ensure the consumer isn't gouged by the monopoly. My bill has two parts. 1st is from the gas supplier I contract with to provide me the actual gas. The 2nd part is for the distribution costs. This is a flat fee plus a per unit usage charge. The old gas company has broken into two parts. The gas supplier and the infrastructure provider. This is a win-win. I get service over regulated lines while the actual product I can choose the best or least cost supplier. I can also make any long term contract for supplies I wish. IMHO, wired telecommunications services where there is necessarily a monopoly for the last mile should use the same model. The last mile provider is a regulated monopoly while the customer has the ability to contract from any service provider they choose. The monopoly would exist even if there were multiple cables to your house, (ie, CATV and Telephone). This would encourage infrastructure upgrades since the monopoly would be able to recover costs with a reasonable profit for newer technology. Any service provider would have access to customers over the infrastructure at non discriminatory pricing, (Ie; everyone gets charged the same) no matter whether its another division of the monopoly or another company. Electric power is moving in the same direction. (Yeah, I know. CA screwed it up big time.)

    4. Re:Rather than asking why... by Surt · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's why you should buy one of those services that dials into 911 every 5 or 10 minutes to check the connection.

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    5. Re:Rather than asking why... by learn+fast · · Score: 4, Insightful

      wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

      You slept through economics class again, didn't you?

      The reason why telephone service was regulated was not because it was the "primary method of realtime person-to-person communication" it's because phone service was believed to be a natural monopoly , meaning that costs could only be lowest with one, large firm serving everybody. But since that firm would be able to charge whatever it wanted or deny service to anyone it really felt like (it being the only firm in the market) natural monopolies must be heavily regulated to prevent that.

      In theory, the inefficiency of regulation will less than either the firm would behave if totally uncontrolled or if left to competition (or outright socialization of the firm). Utilities, like water or power service for example, are ideal examples of natural monopoly -- we can't have many competing firms trying to install their own pipes or telephone poles.

      Anyway, for much more than I can describe here, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly.

    6. Re:Rather than asking why... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Amtrak is failing because it offers a service no one wants,"

      Nobody wants to ride a train, or nobody wants to ride a train on rail networks designed to move freight, where passenger trains need to slow down and let trains owned by the rail owners have the priority?

    7. Re:Rather than asking why... by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There's comfort. If I had the option here, I'd take the train to driving or flying to any location within a reasonable distance.

      Driving is stressful and unpleasant. And the idiot airlines are doing their very best to ensure flying isn't much less, and the latter pretty much insists you either pay four figure seat prices or else fly in massive discomfort.

      So I disgree with "it offers a service no one wants" or "There is really no advantage to using Amtrak over other options." That may be true for you and your specific situation, but you don't speak for everyone.

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    8. Re:Rather than asking why... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Took the train from Hartford CT to New York (Penn Station) in 1998. Took a commuter train from the outskirts of Boston into Boston (I forget the name of both locations, the station in Boston wasn't the major one with the bus station next to it, it was on the other side of town or something.) in 2000.

      Neither were recent, so things may have deteriorated rapidly since then, but both were extremely comfortable then, if a little slow. Comparable to a prison bus? Well, I'll take you at your word that you're the one with the experience there (I'm fortunate and honest enough to never have been convicted of anything worse than a minor speeding offense), but compared to any Continental, Northwest, Delta, British Airways, or Virgin Atlantic flights I've taken, it was the height of luxury.

      As for driving being only stressful and unpleasant because I "allow" it to be, I wonder if you have a clue what you're talking about? I can't exactly read a book while I drive. Or get up and go to the restroom. Or get some food and drinks. Or go for a stroll. I have to concentrate 100% on the road ahead, and I have to do so in a relatively cramped little box.

      And since surveys of potential Amtrak customers support my point, I'll say I was speaking for them, not everybody as you assert.
      You made a sweeping claim about Amtrak which doesn't hold up in my experience. Given you didn't limit your claim to "potential (but not actual) Amtrak customers" then, I think it was reasonable for me to suggest your comment was supposed to be universal.

      I see you don't like Amtrak. Not everyone agrees with you.

      Riding the train is a wonderfully relaxing way to travel. Just the ability to get up and walk around makes it an order of magnitude better than the alternatives. The decent sized seats, flat ride, lack of restrictions on when and where you can eat and drink, go for pee, etc, puts it into a class of its own. It's a massive shame that it's so restricted in the US.

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  12. Astrotruf by Democracy Data & Communications L by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    That web site is operated by Democracy Data and Communications LLC, makers of Democracy Direct 7.1 (Click for demo.). Features include:
    • "In 48 hours, Congress is set to vote on a bill that could cost Eva's organization $50 billion. To defeat this legislation, Eva will use the Democracy Direct 7.1 Communications Wizard to mobilize her stakeholders to generate emails to targeted legislators".

      "Full grassroots and PAC management functionality"

      "Legislator targeting".

    Run the online demo. Especially the "asset tracking system", which generates maps It looks like Hollywood's vision of something a corrupt organization would use. But it's real.

  13. Govt. Subsidized Wifi is a bad idea by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Altoona PA subsidized a local non-profit to provide dialup internet service. Same excuse as normal: promote high technology.

    The result:

    1. The non-profit did the same mediocre job that every government subsidized project does.
    2. Most of the independent ISPs (including the one I worked for) pulled out of Altoona since we couldn't compete (not enough people buy on quality; most buy on price).
    3. As broadband was deployed, all the non-ILECs stayed out of Altoona.
    4. The available options for Internet service in Altoona suck rocks.

    Government subsidized anything sucks the life out of a market and just about guarantees stagnation. They're right to block it in Texas!

    The better issue to be made is open access to the public infrastructure. The ILECs and cable companies use your right-of-way that you, the taxpayer, own. They should be compelled to open that part of their infrastructure to competitors at or near cost.

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    1. Re:Govt. Subsidized Wifi is a bad idea by tthomas48 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously you've never had an internet connection provided by a for-profit company. Time Warner is much like calling the government. They don't care, they know they're the only choice you have. I think after a month or two of no service you might get a refund. Maybe. If you complain enough. I fail to see how a governmental non-profit could do worse. Perhaps just as bad...

    2. Re:Govt. Subsidized Wifi is a bad idea by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if Time Warner were required to open the public right-of-way portion of their infrastructure there would be a dozen small companies vying for your business. That would actually move towards solving the problem. Government subsidy just makes it worse.

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    3. Re:Govt. Subsidized Wifi is a bad idea by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Government subsidized anything sucks the life out of a market and just about guarantees stagnation. They're right to block it in Texas!"

      So the people and city of Altoona shouldn't be free to decide and handle their own affairs without interference from Harrisburg simply because you happen to agree with a particular state law, reguardless of what it does to individual rights within a municipality? The people of Altoona should have to justify themselves to, say, voters in Philadelphia (among other places) in order to take actions that would only directly effect themselves?

      "The ILECs and cable companies use your right-of-way that you, the taxpayer, own."

      They own it because self-styled libertarians believe that it's better to grant a for-profit private enterprise a monopoly on owning it rather than the government directly. Apparently, state-granted monopolies are magically somehow better-managed than state-owned infrastructure, even though the "free market" arguments apply to neither.

      Being for-profit, they have no vested interest in opening their network to their competition. If the state own the actual wires directly (while not providing service on those wires), we wouldn't have this problem. But that's herecy in this age of privatization and deregulation.

  14. This would really suck by kerrle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The city I live in - Corpus Christi, TX - is about to become the first metro area of our size (~250,000 people) with full WiFi coverage. There's a report on it here.

    It would really suck if we had this infrastructure and weren't able to allow people to access it - the plan was to have full Internet access from most of the city.

    The network is already up, with a nice page that explains what it is when you connect and open up IE.

  15. Complaint by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why did zonk squeeze this into the "hardware" department, and not politics or YRO?

    I have slashdots "politics" section blocked for a reason. I don't care about your whiney "me hatey boosh" flamefests.

    I want to read about neat hardware, and hear some discussion about things technical.

    Categorizing this news as "hardware" is pretty much akin to circumventing spam filters.

    In the future, don't try to trick me into reading about your political views.

    I am not intrigued, and would not like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  16. Irony.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you lookup the house journal the day of the vote, you will find a sweet bit of irony....

    "The invocation was offered by Dr. Charles D. Walton, senior pastor, First
    Baptist Church, Conroe, as follows:
    Heavenly Father, we assemble today in an effort to accomplish what is best
    for the citizens of Texas. There are good people here with good hearts, good
    minds, and good intentions even though, we confess, Lord, there are times we
    find it difficult to admit this to one another."

  17. It is NOT free by lbmouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is not FREE... it has to be paid by someone. I for one do not want my taxes going to pay for some teenage boy's ability to surf for pr0n. Plus, whenever the gov't gets involved, regulation, restriction, and censorship are not far behind. Finally, name one major profitable telco/provider that does NOT run more efficiently than any entity within the government.

  18. Re:Slightly regressive... by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why does everyone always equate wireless access with laptop only? Say your city proivdes free wifi access for its citizens. Slap a $50 PCI WiFi card in a $300 Dell and your your up and running. There are various charities that give away computers for those who can't afford them (I've been involved in 3 at different times). Possibly the municipality can even buy PCI WiFi cards in bulk and distribute them to whoever comes in to sign up for their free wifi access and demonstrates a finacial need, or gives or sells at cost to local charities that give away computers.

  19. Re:Communism / Socialism by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Funny
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  20. hmm by sacrilicious · · Score: 2, Funny
    SBC has since put up TV ads and a website

    I suppose it's encouraging that SBC thinks there's enough of a correlation between pulic support and a bill passing that they're campaigning with ads and a website...?

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  21. Huh? by dustmite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is it communism if the majority of people choose to have the government provide certain services? That's a democracy if ever there was one. What you're suggesting is that ideologically the free market (i.e. corporations) must rule above the will of the people, and even in contradiction to the will of the people, which if it were strictly the case that would be far more closely aligned to other totalitarian/mercantilist/communist systems. The executive board of a small handful of companies should not be imposing decisions on communities about how any service should be provided. Now you might ask, should people be "allowed" to vote in a socialist policy? Of course they should, if they were not then it would not be a democracy anymore (don't confuse socialism with totalitarianism with communism etc.) ... modern democracies like the USA are full of socialist-like policies (e.g. minimum wage), and most people actually regard them as a good thing for society at large.

    1. Re:Huh? by WaxParadigm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "How is it communism if the majority of people choose to have the government provide certain services? That's a democracy if ever there was one."

      Actually, it's socialism via democracy, aka "tyranny of the majority." It's something the founding fathers of the USA were concerned about and tried to avoid by spelling out the limited powers of government in the constitutions of the nation and individual states. This bill is seeking to re-assert similar limitations on governments that seem entirely too willing to overstep their roles.

      The tyranny of the majority is where the majority (or those in with the power) gets to force it's will on the minority. In this case it's public (socialized) funding of WIFI. If you're in a muni where the majority wants muni WIFI, you HAVE to pay for it. This forces out competition and stagnates the given market. Tyranny of the majority is not just seen with respect to economic freedoms, but also social freedoms. Freedom of speech, religion, etc have all been victims of the tyranny of the majority at one point in time or another. A good example is Germany in the 1930s.

      Those who advocate for municiplal WIFI are essentially advocating for the same principles of government ... not too scary until you see how many intelligent people on /. support muni WIFI.

  22. Re:Deep in the heart of... by Stickney · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait....you guys don't still carry your guns to work?

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  23. Old Story: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Big special interests attack the weakest and most corrupt states first.

  24. Go Texas! by po8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's some otherwise very smart people living and working in Austin on technology right now. For example, one of the two IBM Linux Technology Centers in the US is there. The other is in my hometown of Portland, Oregon---one of the most wireless-friendly cities in the nation.

    I hope Texans pass this bill, and rigorously enforce it. It'd be good for the Oregon economy.

  25. There's an old saying we have in Texas by Laconian · · Score: 3, Funny

    As a resident of Texas, I actually wasn't aware fo this until I opened up Slashdot today. First, shame on me.

    Fool me once... shame on... shame on you.

    Fool me.. you can't get fooled again.

  26. Charge 1 cent by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fine, they want to stop free access?! Fine, we can play this game.

    If I owned a coffee shop and previously offered free WiFi access, then if this bill got passed I would charge....1 penny. And to boot, I would roll it up in the price of the coffee.

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  27. it's an infrastructure project by SethJohnson · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Is it fair for the cities to decide that it should be free and drive them out of business?

    This is the same criticism that:
    • Taxi cab companies probably yelled at New York City Council meetings when they were planning a subway system.
    • Water park / slide companies express when a city plans a public swimming pool.
    • Private universities present when a state is budgeting for a state college.
    • Toll road vendors use when a city plans a new freeway.
    • Barnes and Noble screams when a city puts in a new public library

    City-sponsored wifi isn't going to put anyone out of business. It's simply going to push the commercial providers to the next level of service offerings. That's the same as what happens in all the private vs. public examples I've given above. The government provides the baseline infrastructure that supports all kinds of interest in a given technology or service. Then the private sector extends that infrastructure with value-add features and quality that inspires consumers to pay for the private offerings. In the case of wifi, cities will probably put in 802.11g for now. Providers like Verizon can tout 802.11n for 100Mbps+ Wi-Fi with a monthly service fee.

    The corporations are resisting this because they are missing a product lifecycle they can run consumers through (802.11g) that they can improve upon in subsequent years for people to upgrade to. Or, they'd like to offer multiple tiers of products at a range of prices to sell to rich and poor consumers. If the govt. carries the bottom end, corporations are somewhat limited to the upper tier offerings.
  28. Keep Texas Backwards by iPaul · · Score: 2, Funny

    People don't realize this is part of a concerted effort to help bring Texas back to its golden age. Yes - the 19th century. With your help we can get rid of progress and innovation and create a simpler, God fearing Texas.

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  29. Section 53.401 by mikael · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the text of the document to be passed:

    Sec. 53.401. APPLICATION OF SUBCHAPTER. This subchapter
    applies only to a rural incumbent local exchange company.
    Sec. 53.402. NEW SERVICES. (a) A rural incumbent local
    exchange company shall price each new service at or above the
    service's long run incremental cost. The commission shall allow
    the company to establish a service's long run incremental cost by
    adopting, at that company's option, the cost studies of a larger
    company for that service that have been accepted by the commission.
    (b) An affected person, the office on behalf of residential
    or small commercial customers, or the commission may file a
    complaint at the commission challenging whether the pricing by a
    rural incumbent local exchange company of a new service is in
    compliance with Subsection (a).


    How is restricting rural companies from offering competitive based pricing going to help boost competition? Why are urban companies not prohibited from doing the same?

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    Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
  30. Back to the Stone Age by chia_monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ""The Texas legislature has the opportunity to modernize telecom regulation and promote innovation to finally reach our goals for new technologies and enhanced consumer benefits.""

    WTF? That's a pretty damn funny line if you ask me. Promoting innovation by stopping the spread of wireless? Yeahhh...I guess once they get this passed, they'll promote their next "innovation" by moving to a phone "system" of two soup cans and a string. They will of course charge twice what customers are paying now for the backwards phone infrastructure already in place.

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  31. That explains this.... by Displaced+Cajun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    911 Voip web site Lots of ads here in the Dallas area on the radio and tv about this subject. Now I see the SBC is behind all of this.

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