Slashdot Mirror


Nanotech Motors, Biotransistors, DNA Fractals

FleaPlus writes "The American Institute of Physics has a news bulletin describing a couple of interesting nanotech advances. The first is the smallest electric motor in the world, made by Alex Zettl's group at UC Berkeley. The second is a single-protein wet biotransistor. Additionally, Technology Research News reports on algorithmic self-assembly of DNA Sierpinski triangles, by Erik Winfree's group at Caltech."

96 comments

  1. Coral Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Take it easy on those Berkley servers. Coral Cache:

    Computer-generated movie shows an artist's conception of the operation of the relaxation oscillator, and a possible application. Created by Kenny Jensen

    TEM video data showing an operating relaxation oscillator, with explanatory text overlaid.

    1. Re:Coral Cache by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 5, Informative

      Berkeley has a 4xOC48 line last I heard. NYU will go down before Berkeley does...

      --
      Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
      Africus aut Europaeus?
    2. Re:Coral Cache by Soko · · Score: 1

      Four OC48s to the internet? Wow. I'm sure any RIAA goons reading this thread just shit themselves.

      Brought a smile to my face too.

      Soko

      --
      "Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
    3. Re:Coral Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So will their students, from what I've heard.

  2. Single-protein wet biotransistors by Timesprout · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are sooo March 2005. Wake me up when they develop a single protein dry biotransistor.

    --
    Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
    What truth?
    There is no dupe
  3. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could someone give me a quick summary of all this?

    Smallest electric motor is self-explanatory, but... Self assembling DNA... What's that all about?

    1. Re:Huh? by caryw · · Score: 1

      Same as all other forms of self-assembly.
      Maybe the WikiPedia article would help.
      --
      Fairfax County message board, chat, and public record search

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They still don't have a cure for cancer. They gotta announce something.

    3. Re:Huh? by xEndymionx · · Score: 1

      if you look closely at the left side of dr. winfree's webpage: http://www.dna.caltech.edu/~winfree/ you'll see the dna blocks. what he does is has custom paterns of bases put along the strands so that they form those blocks in solution, then each 'corner' of the block has a five base tail. he just has the tails chosen in such a way that the blocks can only combine if the upper left corner and the upper right corner of a block are correct... one type of block is a '1' and the other is a '0', the tails are set to that xor is computed. if you read some of the papers linked from his website, he has a beautiful binary counter built from wang tiles. http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/SierpinskiDNA_PL oS2004.pdf http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/SAcircuits_DNA9. pdf both of those are highly interesting reads.

    4. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *cough*

      It's a start, at least.

  4. Miniature motors by karn096 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wasn't there an article about mini-turbines also, that researchers were planning on using to power small devices, I'm wondering if these nano-motors could be used in the same regard.
    Maybe I should go RTFA now.

  5. 26000+ w/ Palomino DNA! by Signal_Noise · · Score: 0

    So how fast can this biotransistor oscillate?

  6. Flux capacitor by Sperryfreak01 · · Score: 0, Funny

    BOOOOORING let me know when they develop a fully functing nano sized Flux Capacitor so i can put it in my watch and make it run Linux so that when ever i miss something good i can just rewind it.

    1. Re:Flux capacitor by Sperryfreak01 · · Score: 0

      What if I just put a nuclear reactor in it, well either that or you could run 88mph

  7. Eventually... by A+Sea+and+Cake · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first is the smallest electric motor in the world, made by Alex Zettl's group at UC Berkeley. Eventually, this will go into the world's smallest electric planer, which will be used, in part, to create the world's smallest violin. Tragically, this wonder of design will be crushed between the fingers of Steve Buscemi.

    1. Re:Eventually... by karvind · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At Cornell we already made the Nanoguitar and Nano saxophone. Yes we were working on the nanodrums these days. No applications for auditions, we use very fast pulse lasers only :)

    2. Re:Eventually... by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      Call me back when you make a Nanotuba to take to TubaChristmas.

      (more seriously, congrats, guys)

      --
      the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
    3. Re:Eventually... by Ikester8 · · Score: 1

      Has Glenn Branca heard of this? Now he can compose nanotonal symphonies for electric guitar.

      --
      That's the last time I run code posted in somebody's sig...
  8. Nanoelectromechanical relaxation oscillator by katana · · Score: 5, Funny

    Okay, I'm not a scientist, but why would you want a *smaller* vibrating dildo?

    1. Re:Nanoelectromechanical relaxation oscillator by Signal_Noise · · Score: 1, Funny

      So that you can have more of them! Duh!

    2. Re:Nanoelectromechanical relaxation oscillator by mrRay720 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally if there's a vibrator inside me I'd want it to be as small as possible.

    3. Re:Nanoelectromechanical relaxation oscillator by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Funny

      for your nanopenis silly

    4. Re:Nanoelectromechanical relaxation oscillator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if I like this enlightenment/education/science stuff. Rather than violating the natural laws of the lord, why can't we stick to the three Rs? Reading, Writing and Jesus...!?

  9. what i really really want.... by Rui+Lopes · · Score: 1, Funny

    nano contact lenses that enable me to see through clothes!!! now that would be an interesting nanotech advance.

    --
    var sig = function() { sig(); }
    1. Re:what i really really want.... by Spodlink05 · · Score: 1

      nano contact lenses that enable me to see through clothes!!! now that would be an interesting nanotech advance.

      Erm, how would you actually put them in?

    2. Re:what i really really want.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well...when goatse is involved, such a device may do more harm then good.

    3. Re:what i really really want.... by MattR83 · · Score: 1

      This is going to be the best prom ever...

  10. Keywords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot is sounding more and more like those search engine spamming sites. But instead of search engines, it's the drooling readers that slashdot is trying to entice with things that aren't really news and aren't really a big deal.

  11. How does it work ? by karvind · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The peak pulsed power is 20 microwatts. Considering that the device is less than 200 nm on a side, the power density works out to about 100 million times that of the 225 hp V6 engine in a Toyota Camry.

    I am not sure if I understand the power density claims. Here is a simple calculation. 20 microwatts in cube of 200nm x 200nm x 200nm will be 20 microwatts in 8 x 10^(-15) cm^3 volume. That will be a power density of 2.5 x 10^9 Watts/cm^3.

    Sun's fusion power density is only ~ 2.5x10^(-4) Watts/cm^3 with core temperature around 15.7 x 10^6 K. I can understand that we wouldn't be generating the heat at peak density, but if we generate that high power desnity in nanomechanical system for even any reasonable time - wouldn't it just evaporate unless we find a very fast way of removing the power efficiently ?

    1. Re:How does it work ? by Soko · · Score: 1

      if we generate that high power desnity in nanomechanical system for even any reasonable time - wouldn't it just evaporate unless we find a very fast way of removing the power efficiently ?

      Ummmm... I'd guess that the energy is being used as kinetic or mechanical energy - not heat. If I hadn't gotten into a Sunday Afternoon cocktail or two, I'd figure out the efficiency of this machine - I bet it'd be truly impressive.

      Soko

      --
      "Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
    2. Re:How does it work ? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Well, i dont really have the mood to calculate, but small things are VERY easy to cool.
      For example, your cpu die is 1cm^2 big, but all the heat is only generated in a few um height.
      Similar here: When downscaling, volume goes down with a d^3, surface are only with d^2. So there very small parts have a HUGE surface to volume ratio and are very easily cooled.
      Not to mention that there is a direct cooling path to the substrate they are build on.

      --
      HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
    3. Re:How does it work ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am not sure if I understand the power density claims.

      That's because they're really not meaningful. You can't compare it to the Sun (or a Toyota), because 'power density' in a macroscopic sense isn't the same thing as in the microscopic sense.

      For example, if you wanted to, you could calculate the 'power density' of a single atom or an electrical current, dividing the current power by the volume of the conducting electrons. That'd certainly give you a very high number - electrons are small - but not a very meaningful one.

      As slashdot says: If you're using these numbers for anything serious, you're crazy.

    4. Re:How does it work ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Not to mention that there is a direct cooling path to the substrate they are build on

      Not in advances SOI processes where cooling through substrate is inefficient. Transistors themselves are three dimensional but it doesn't solve the problem as they are all covered with oxide which is poor conductor of heat. From basic physics most of the good heat conductors are also good conductors of electricity. So there is not too much choice for electronic choice to remove heat with dielectrics. Original post is very relevent because it asks importance of the claim.

  12. definition of "nano-" by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nanotechnology has gotten a reputation for being a flaky area of research. Part of the problem is that the word "nanotech" sounds cool, so people tend to use it without defining what they mean. Eric Drexler originally defined it in terms of machines that worked at the molecular level, i.e., on scales of a few nanometers. The problem is that there are fundamental reasons why it's extremely difficult to construct machines on that scale, and in the 20 years since he published Engines of Creation, basically nothing has happened to realize his original vision. Meanwhile, people have been making smaller and smaller machines via techniques that would never be able to scale down to the scales Drexler had in mind. The wikipedia article distinguishes between "nanotechnology" and "molecular nanotechnology." The Berkeley group's motor, for instance, is clearly on a scale (hundreds of nm) that is not molecular nanotechnology.

    1. Re:definition of "nano-" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And here I thought it referred to anything written with a reasonable text editor. I'd better remove that nanotech engineer line on my CV then...

    2. Re:definition of "nano-" by argent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, the DNA assembly of Sirepinski triangles is definately a nanoscale operation.

    3. Re:definition of "nano-" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reread the post you replied to.

    4. Re:definition of "nano-" by Goldsmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Drexler's book was conceptually great and really pumped a lot of interest of the subject into the general public (his second is another thing). However, Engines of Creation makes a few assumptions about the molecular world which have been found to be incorrect. Diamondoids are not as stable a form of carbon at the nano scale as he thought, and materials are inherantly different from the bulk at the nanoscale. For example, a relatively inert metal such as gold becomes extremely reactive when clumped into just a few isolated atoms. The reason nothing has happened to realize Drexler's original vision is that it did not work, his detals were wrong. It's not as easy as drawing lines between carbon atoms to make the shape you want. Since then, Drexler has refined his own definition of nanotechnology into something which can be described as artificial biology in arbitrary environments. This is a common definition of nanotechnology among the majority of people who study it. Like Drexler, most of the people studying nanotechnology come from a biology background. They tend not to like the atomic or solid state approaches used by physicists and engineers, so they call their work "molecular nanotechnology" to differentiate themselves.

      Zettl is a physicist, and comes at things from a very different perspective. I had the opportunity to see this research presented at an invited talk a few weeks ago at the last APS meeting. It is most definitely nanotechnology on the level of single atoms. Let me explain:

      Their "motor", as presented at APS, consists of a resevior of indium atoms at one end of a carbon nanotube, and an indium crystal on the other end. By driving a current through the nanotube in conjuction with heating from the TEM electron beam, they are able to move the indium from the resevior to the crystal and back. The atoms move very quickly, they do not have the time resolution in the TEM to see them. The crystal, on the other hand, grows very slowly, and they are able to see individual atomic layers being deposited on this crystal which is only a few nanometers in diameter. The height of the crystal they can vary from nothing to microns. The whole motor is actually smaller than the smallest linear biomolecular motor (kinesin), hence the "smallest motor" claim.

      Thus the fundamental technology is atoms, and is nanoscale. Furthermore, to call this technology "not nanotechnology" is absurd! This is the technique that may enable atomic construction. The ability to move individual atoms around very, very quickly and in an extremely controlled manner is essential to "Drexler's vision", as you call it. Imagine an array of carbon nanotubes, each with a resevior of a different metal at one end, which can be scanned across a surface like an inkjet printer head, depositing atoms on a surface. You would then have "atomic nanotechnology", which is what Feynman's original vision actually was.

    5. Re:definition of "nano-" by bcrowell · · Score: 1
      Your post is very informative, but I don't quite understand why you think the Zettl motor qualifies as molecular nanotechnology. Depositing a monolayer at a time onto a crystal is nothing new. People have been doing that for ages.

      Furthermore, to call this technology "not nanotechnology" is absurd!
      You're misquoting me. I didn't say it wasn't nanotechnology, I said it wasn't molecular nanotechnology: "The Berkeley group's motor, for instance, is clearly on a scale (hundreds of nm) that is not molecular nanotechnology."

    6. Re:definition of "nano-" by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean to misquote you, sorry.

      In nanotechnology, the question of what is a molecule is a hard one. Is a carbon nanotube, which is 1nm in diameter, but perhaps many micometers long, a molecule? It is smaller, in weight, than many proteins, which are undoubtably molecules. Are 2 covalently bonded gold atoms a molecule? 3? 12? 100? Where is the cutoff point? Certainly, we should include things like DNA polymerase and kinesin... things for which motion and interactions on the atomic scale are important, but these can be rather large.

      On the basis of size and weight, the Zettl motor is much smaller than many molecules. The idea of having a device which moves atoms around individually to generate motion (without the full presentation, you may not get the sense of how controlled this is), and takes advantage of individual bond defects (don't know if it was mentioned anywhere that the reseviors form there) to define the location of the applied force seems to fit the definition of interactions on the atomic scale. Yet, your view that it is not molecular nanotechnology is probably the dominant one, why?

      I think it has to do with who works with molecules. There are very few devices which are admitted to be "molecular nanotechnology" which do not work in water. The Zettl motor is not bio or biomemetic, but can be descibed by terms solid state physicists use. The language associated with that field, like conduction, phonons and phase transition are not associated with nanotechnology, largely because of Drexler, who is a biochemist. Chemically derived words like charge dissociation, conformational change and active site are associated with nanotechnology.

      To me the question is, why is molecular nanotechnology limited to biomemetics, and what is a molecule? Who gets to decide this?

      Zettl's motor is not biomemetic nanotechnology, and since biochemists coined the term, then maybe it's not fair to take their word and call it molecular nanotechnology. That's why I called it "atomic nanotechnology". In any case, I think it's an arbitrary definition that a chemical combination must be made in solution to be considered a molecule.

  13. Breathtaking by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 0
    Does anybody else feel a bit overwhelmed (in a good way!) by the ever increasing pace of technology? Its not many generations that get to see the works of their science fiction books spring into existence and become an every day part of our lives.

    --
    Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
    1. Re:Breathtaking by mrRay720 · · Score: 1

      Its not many generations that get to see the works of their science fiction books spring into existence and become an every day part of our lives.

      Probably because very very few generations have actually HAD science fiction books...

      That said, the pace is certainly picking up and while it's hard to tell from an insider's point of view, the pace almost seems geometric. Which makes sense really - each new generation of technology helps up build the next one even faster than the previous tools.

      The question is will we get to the point where our brains just can't take it? Will we have to pass such things onto computers, or find a way to enhance our brains to cope with it?

    2. Re:Breathtaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they promised me flying cars
      I want my flying car

      you think it's going fast now?
      just imagine if the US gov did not cut in to funding
      take money from education. and if corporations had long term R&D plans.

      yeah yeah troll but you know it's true.

      our cars still polute
      planes are still as slow as 40years ago
      ect ect ect

      if i feel something it's depresed that were still only here and that i'm to dumb to develop something that would change this even if it's just a litle

    3. Re:Breathtaking by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Depends on your definition of science fiction (and I suppose book).
      Verne is generally considered science fiction.
      Shakespear wrote something about a balloon trip to the moon IIRC.
      Leonardo had some ideas that were science fiction-esq for his time, though I don't recall that he ever wrote stories about them, just diagrams.
      Not long in the scale of things I suppose, but still a few hundred years at any rate.

      Mycroft

      --
      https://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c3ed6600b6ea
  14. Around here we call it 'life' by mrRay720 · · Score: 1

    Well what else would you call self assembling organic matter? Of course, considering that the average person does this millions fo times per day, it's not exactly something to boast about. I fact I'm doing it right now - the difference is that I'm not putting out a press release.

    1. Re:Around here we call it 'life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Difference is control. People have been doing self assembly for ages, but can you do a self-assembly at one precise location. That is what makes chemistry different from modern day nanotechnology. The ability to do more complex things (just not assembling) and make precise measurements at the desired locations (not the entire film). I am sorry you are way to insecure about your profession.

  15. Re:That's a lot of megajoules.......for a weapon by mrRay720 · · Score: 0

    362 is enough to penetrate 30 meters of copper. Why not mount this thing on top of a large mountain and snipe some terrorists from 480 miles?

    Because terrorists aren't in the habit of carrying around 30 metres of copper?

  16. The DNA trick is particularly disappointing by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At first, I thought the DNA assembly-Sierpinski Triangle story was particularly interesting, as a link between real world information storage and the usually unworldly area of fractal geometry. On following the story, it turns out that the error rate is simply enormous (1 to 10%). DNA, in normal use, works about a billion times more reliably than it does here.
    You could probably coax DNA to assemble into face centered cubic crystals with a much lower error rate than that. Hell, you might be able to get little figures of Snoopy and Garfield more reliably than these Sierpinski Triangles. This is like proving you could workably rebuild the Golden Gate bridge from Mayonaise and save the tax-payers a fortune, for sufficiently low values of "workable","fortune", and probably "Mayo".

    --
    Who is John Cabal?
    1. Re:The DNA trick is particularly disappointing by xEndymionx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the error rate is actually rather low, the high number reported comes from error propagation. if you get a single site error, the next generation of cells below it will be computed using that error, and will thus also be erroneous. the actual number of genuine errors is rather small. winfree also has done work in error-correcting self assembly of wang tiles (which is what this really is). the key point to his generating the sierpinski gasket is that it proves that one can computer elemetary cellular automata with this dna blocks, and that includes eca rule 110, which has been proven to be universal by matthew cook. dr. winfree gave a talk about all these findings early last semester at my university.

    2. Re:The DNA trick is particularly disappointing by jerometremblay · · Score: 1

      This particular pattern is just a proof of concept. What it implies is that you can potentially program how the crystal will grow.

      Try to imagine something more useful. Like a growing memory chip, or cpu.

    3. Re:The DNA trick is particularly disappointing by realbadjuju · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't RTFA, but I've read many of Eric's papers and met/conversed with him several times. I don't see what the problem is with the error rate. Yes it is high, but my understanding is that what Eric is trying to do is harness the massively parallel nature of DNA based computation, remember Avagadro's number is a very big number, and not develop a novel kind of information storage. Also, since no one has done this yet, he obviously has to start with simple problems, eg the Sierpinski experiment and the counting in binary experiment, both of which only used a few (2 to 3) different tile types. However I think his latest (unpublished) experiments use something on the order of 20-30 tile types. As for a cubic lattice, people have made single 3D polyhedra, though I can't remember their names, and it would be simple to create a lattice out of these. But then the problem becomes one of looking at the lattice to "read" whatever information there is. Eric is imaging these structures with an AFM (atomic force mircoscope) which could not "look inside" and 3D lattice. The lattice would be far too small to use light based microscopy and the energies involved with a regular electron microscope would literally blow the lattice apart. Maybe cryogenicly cooled scanning confocal electron microscopy (google Nestor Zaluzec at Argonne) would get you something but I don't know.

    4. Re:The DNA trick is particularly disappointing by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      That's sort of my point.
      Yes this is useful science - it's a proof in practice of the potential feasability of using DNA for some forms of parallel computation, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was rejecting that accomplishment. That's a pretty decent thing to have done, even to this stage.
      Where I see a problem is there's no natural mapping between using Sierpinski Triangles as a form of binary decision tree, and their other aspect as an example fractal entity (and of course a real world construct can't scale down to subatomic levels to create true fractal dimensionality anyways).
      Judging from the article, I gathered that the use of fractal properties was somehow important, and had potential broader implications for the use of fractal math in building real world systems. Since several people responded to my post, I went back and read some more allegedly related papers and abstracts, and can now confidently say the fractal properties are irrelevant to the underlieng math used in the actual computation. Some of the sites tracking this paper are erroniously cross-indexing it.

      --
      Who is John Cabal?
  17. Apple going nano. by Masq666 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Surely hope Apple are going into the nano buisiness and making a Mac nano. hehe..

    --
    Bits of News Giving you the latest bits.
  18. Technology makes life easier not harder by Staplerh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The question is will we get to the point where our brains just can't take it? Will we have to pass such things onto computers, or find a way to enhance our brains to cope with it?

    See, I take the opposite view on this. I feel that technology is actually making life a lot easier for our brains. Perhaps not for all of us, but take an average person. You can effectively run much of your life on autopilot. Driving a car, following mindless rules, technology providing cues and such. Really, many of the things that used to occupy time can now be done through automation - or at least are 'outsourced'. I'm of course looking at the middle-class of North America, but still. I think its hard to make a case that the average citizen is overworked and having trouble coping with technology.

    Certainly there are cases of people feeling overwhelmed, but I think they are a minority - vocal, perhaps - but still a minority.

    --
    "There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
    - Bob Dylan
    1. Re:Technology makes life easier not harder by mrRay720 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree that technology is in many ways making it easier for our brains, but IMO that's completely overwhelmed by the sheer rate that knowledge is accumulating.

      Certainly even an average science student today has a wider knowledge of things than a well respected scientist a few generations ago. Go back a few more generations and that student would be on par with the greatest scientific minds in the world as far as knowledge goes.

      A mere few hundred years ago it was possible for one person to hold the complete human knowledge of science in his head. Nowadays that's obviously completely impossible, and I don't consider it at all unlikely that even the most knowledgable person will even know WHAT we know in outline, never mind detail.

      Of course I was talking more about advancement in general and you are talking about the avergage joe's day to day life, so that's probably where the difference lies. Even then, though, we have to do much much more now than we ever did before. The days of the caveman were much simpler - he never had to battle with voicemail, tax returns, choosing from a thousand mortgage deals, finances, computers, programming the VCR, and who knows what else. We're only just starting to see the real improvements in simplicity to help us with the complexities with modern life, so I think it will get better.

      On the frontier of human knowledge though, I think we're going to get out of our depth very soon.

    2. Re:Technology makes life easier not harder by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      While I agree with you in general, in specific I have to take exception: driving a car is not something you can do on autopilot.

      We have too many drunk-driving accidents as refutation.

      Once we have autonomous cars, then I agree, it will be auto-pilot (and I can start making the same use of my time as I would if I took the "finishing-the-project-stealing" train).

      --
      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
    3. Re:Technology makes life easier not harder by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Once we have autonomous cars
      I think there were working prototypes, but they didn't survive the fall of the Iron Curtain.
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  19. I Disagree by mark99 · · Score: 1

    The late 1800's and early 1900's saw much more radical change than we experience. Electricity, Sanitation, Railroads, Cars, Airplanes, Telephones, Iron Steam Ships, Antibiotics, Physics and Math Revolutions (Relativity, QM), etc. Life when from Medivial to Modern in something like 50 years.

    What we experience is trivial in comparison.

    Of course if those cheap nano-assemblers appear than I will take it all back.

    1. Re:I Disagree by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The late 1800's and early 1900's saw much more radical change than we experience.

      Well, I guess from that perspective, we should consider the change that came with the printing press. That event (where knowledge could spread more instantaneously and more widely than ever before) is actually more akin to what we're experiencing now (though the scales are stupifyingly different). My point, I guess, is that changes during the industrial revolution basically introduced speed and reliability to more or less familiar activities (moving things, lifting things, heating things, etc.) whereas we're now having a major change in the notion of what it means to ask questions and expect instant answers (however accurate) about, well, everything. In the Renaissance, it meant gaining access to a library, and now it's the net.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    2. Re:I Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're talking about over 100 years' worth of innovations though - railways were invented before the Victorian age even started, and antibiotics weren't used until the 1930s.

      Look around you and ask yourself if what you see was available in 1905. I'm sitting in front of a Universal Machine capable of working out any calculable problem. I can talk to anyone and everyone I know without leaving my chair. I could look at the entire human genome and check to see if I share any sections with a chicken. I can listen to a perfect reproduction of an orchestra playing halfway across the world. If I had the money, I could sit on a rocket and look at the Earth from space.

      How radical do you want change to be?

    3. Re:I Disagree by mark99 · · Score: 1

      None the less, if you think about someone who was born in say, 1860, and died in 1940, and think of the change they experienced, and then go say, 1920 to 2000, you will see what I mean.

      The former one went from a Dickonson society with short life expectations, lack of hygene, etc, to the 50's, with very many discontinuous radical changes.

      The latter one saw what was essentially continuous incremental change.

    4. Re:I Disagree by danila · · Score: 1

      This is a different kind of change, it's social change you are talking about. Further improvements today are prevented for ideological reasons. It is already feasible to have a communist (in a good sense) society, where crime is low, where most people are well-educated and well-cultured, where people are healthy and noone is poor, where boring and dangerous work is done by machines. Of course, then you wouldn't be able to buy a 300000$ house, get a 70000$ car and other stuff like that, so the "elite" is quite happy with the status quo.

      But if you consider technological change, then to have comparable results we need to consider some upscale guy born in 1860, not a worker. In that case the progress will still be significant, but not as much as throughout 1920-2000.

      Of course, comparing the lifes of individual lives (even if we strive to select representative examples) is a very bad way to measure technological change. We need more objective approaches.

      --
      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
  20. Re:Cache of the AIP.org site: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SICK FUCKING BASTARD!

    DONT click on that link is fucking shit porn!

  21. Its like this by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1
    The self-assembling DNA thing is similar to this:
    tetwalker

    Except its just (nanoscale) DNA molecules, no brains, no eyes, nothing. Its also like a snowflake, in a way.

    I also wonder why I bother replying since you won't come back to your post anyway. Mr. A. Coward.
    --
    I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
  22. This Sonic Transducer... by screwballicus · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is I suppose some kind of audio-vibratory-physio-molecular transport device?

  23. Prior Nanoart by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ned Seeman's NYU lab produced algorithmic self-assembling Wang tiles for cumulative XOR computation a couple of years ago. The application was inspired by suggestions by Winfree that their then-current system, could accomplish the computation. And it has. Glad to see Winfree continuing to explore this cutting edge.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

  24. Thats all fine and dandy... by KevlarTheSleepinator · · Score: 1

    ...but can it run Linux??

    --
    Move Sig, for great justice.
  25. Re:How long? by ChuckSchwab · · Score: 1

    You might disagree with how he said it, but he made a valid point...

  26. Very cool by RacerZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Guess I should have staid in microbiology instead of going to Art School. I did these Sierpinski sieve based pieces way back then.

    Glad to see someone doing something a little more significant with the idea.

  27. from the say-what-now? dept. by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1
    single-protein wet biotransistor... algorithmic self-assembly of DNA Sierpinski triangles...

    brain.... ...hurts...

  28. OT -- sig by mooingyak · · Score: 1

    Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
    Africus aut Europaeus?


    Is that Holy Grail translated to Latin?

    --
    William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
  29. Supository phone by under_clocker · · Score: 1

    I believe this level of technology will lead to such devices as the Supository phone. A small 'contact pill' like devices that when lodged in the anal cavity will permanently lock itself to your tail bone and use your bone network to transmit sound to your ear drumbs and pick up your voice from the same. To dial up a number you would simply call out the command into thin air. YOu would hear the computer ask you if you wanted to dial this person or what not. YOU could adjust the settings to vibrate for quit opperation. The phone would get power from your movenments that would cause a tiny magneto to charge the internal lithium cells. YOU would program it using a blue tooth tranciever installed in your pc or by voice command. One step closer to being borgafied. A blue too suppository phone may be quit the thing. LoL Btw guys this is a device in one of my comical scifi stories- NO STealing!...

    1. Re:Supository phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem. It's a retarded idea. Someone needs to kick your ass.

    2. Re:Supository phone by under_clocker · · Score: 1

      Well first you need to know it was humor and you are a pompus moron. ANd If you think your are capable little man by all means! you will get your azz kicked by a girl... and if you cant deal with Humor then you should remove the larged version of the suppository phone from your butt crack. I bet you were one of those boys when your were little who had a bunch of older sisters who made you wear their clothes huh? your prob 5'3" and small in other areas too... Me well now Im a 6'1" girl- I work out every day! and I will stomp your little azz so sit down and shut up little missy...Cuz getting you tampon in a twist with me is 3kinds of stupid 2 times the fun and 1/2 the price...So Little girl stop messin with the big girls before we have to lay the woop azz down and put you on your shelf...

    3. Re:Supository phone by under_clocker · · Score: 1

      Can you say something more creative than that you moron? Let me guess you went to cal tech? Tell me something girls intimidate you? right? YOu are what 30, still live with your mommy, watch star trek re-runs in your parrents basement with your grandmothers underwear on your head while tossing off to pictures of betty grable? DO me a favor weeny boy, when trying to insult me try harder. Im not impressed. Its sad. Im trying to give 100% here and you come back with the same lame reply. Your prob one of those guy who make women turn lesbian becase they dread having your borring stupid creatin, low brain cell count, low sperm cell count, cal tech attending children. If I replied like that I would have to kick my own ass. gawd!

  30. Nano things by particleastro · · Score: 1

    First post!! I work in a nanotechnology department in England, studying for a PhD. Im pleased to tell you I once used or SEM to draw a tiny micormeter sized phallus on a wafer, complete with testicles and hair. Ill dig out the picture if I can find it.