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10.4 Widget Site Opens Doors

sammykrupa writes "My new venture has just opened its doors. Dashboard Lineup is a site where developers can talk about the OS X Tiger widgets they are developing and and tips and tricks can be exchanged. There are also discussions about ideas for widgets. It's also worth mentioning that if you are a developer you can use the free hosting for widgets I have set up."

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  1. What about the other Dashboard sites? by vocaro · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "news item" sounds a bit like a thinly veiled advertisement for the submitter's site. Why no mention of the other Dashboard sites that have sprung up recently, like Dashboard Exchange and DashboardWidgets?

    1. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Going back to the release of Kornfabulator... I'm still waiting for a widget of this sort which is even a tiny bit useful to me ever.

      Floating clocks and weather forcasts? WTF?

      Is Dashboard/Kornfabulator really anything more than a pretty toy?

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    2. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by mipod · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yeah, honestly... there have been a bunch of Dashboard sites around for a while, The Dashboard was created a few days after DB was announced. Being innovative would be far more worthy of a slashdot post, rather than coming out with a crappy looking site 9 months late.

      If you want to see a nice one, though, look at DashboardWidgets. Lotsa widgets up already...

    3. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by greed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It wasn't thinly veiled: "My new venture has just opened its doors."

      Doesn't get much more blatant than that.

    4. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by andreMA · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Floating clocks and weather forcasts? WTF?

      Is Dashboard/Kornfabulator really anything more than a pretty toy?

      For you, at this point, perhaps not. Stock quotes and realtime airline flight tracking are also commonly mentioned as Dashboard uses, as are currency converters, calculators, webcam monitors, whatnot. I suspect that many people will find one or more of these quite useful; if you don't then that's fine: don't use them.

      Personally like the notion of having a hide-able layer; others may prefer a 3rd party solution to do virtual desktops in OS X to contain these minor items - something that I personally don't care for. Dashboard is just another option; take it or leave it.

    5. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The usefullness all depends on what your doing ,
      If im at home and want to keep an eye on my stocks but not leave a browser window open or if im doing some accounting and want quick access to a caclulator that is easy to wip out and throw away.
      How about i would like to check my emails quickly and easily then that can eassily be accomidated too or perhaps a quick reference dictionary.
      What about a rather nice library reference tool(For C code or Objective C or etc) that could search a database depending on a word you have in the clipboard so you can see what a function or a class or blah is for without taking up perminant screen space
      Yes it is a toy , yes other things can do these tasks equally well but non of these things are normaly lumped together and wont function in the same fashion as dashboard. Honestly its one of these things you do not need till you use it ,, then its a pain to do without.

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    6. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Floating clocks and weather forcasts? WTF?

      Is Dashboard/Kornfabulator really anything more than a pretty toy?


      Yeah, who ever needs to know the time or what it's like outside??

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    7. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The time: Look at the upper-right of the screen, where there is already a time display.

      Lots of people prefer an analog display to a digital one for telling time. I'll agree that a clock isn't super-necessary, but if you don't want it, you can easily turn it off.

      What it's like outside: Look out a window. You know, that big glass pane on one wall of your boss's office?

      Oh yes, because looking out a window will tell you the temperature and the chance of precipitation later. On top of that, everyone obviously has a huge window right near their computer.

      Anything else to say?

      Yes: It's hard to believe that you can't see the benefits of the various widgets on the dashboard. Maybe you personally don't have a whole lot of use for two particular ones, but there are tons more and furthermore they're easy to develop (HTML and CSS) and thus there will likely be lots of novel ones. Take second to look outside (no pun intended) your narrow little world and see that everyone is not you.

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    8. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For you, at this point, perhaps not.

      God, I love a straight answer to a straight question. It seems so rare these days.

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    9. Re:What about the other Dashboard sites? by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably not. As nice and K has been for some people, a lot of people don't like it (like myself) due to the loads that it constantly puts on the system. If I remember my time playing with the old Tiger beta right, the loads dashboard puts on the system are considerably less when it's hidden. That in and of itself should generate more demand, and more developers. Plus, K is only javascript, Dashboard is the entire webkit backend and then some. More flexibility == more / better ideas

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  2. Re:This one has been around for years... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I tried Konfabulator, as did a number of people I know. For me I stopped using it because it was a hog, and just slowed down my machine too much. The lack of compelling/really useful widgets was a problem. A friend of mine summed it up with, "When the demo expired and I had to consider paying for it, I had already stopped using it, so I just deleted it." That was basically it for a lot of us. It just was not very useful. Dashboard looks to be more so. And it is free, so even if I only book a flight once a year, or look up a phone number in the yellow pages once a week, there is no reason not to have it.

  3. Re:From TFA by ERJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Man, you sure don't have a sense of humor...and also some pretty selective vision.

    3.A Stupid Republican Quote Widget.

  4. Re:From TFA by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, yeah. I'm a jackass.

    You win, though: first of five to point it out.

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  5. Re:Can someone please explain... by ferratus · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's really nice. I've been using multiple developer preview releases over the last few months (legally) and Dashboard certainly sticks out as being a very useful feature.

    Press F12, they all appear, use them and hit F12 again and they're gone. Instantly. Stuff like:

    - the iTunes controller.

    - calculator (no more opening this app for just a quick calculation)

    - the calendar view (simply seing the entire month is handy, since otherwise you had to go to the terminal, iCal or editing the time to see it, your iCal stuff also appear)

    - Converter. Converting money from CAD to USD (in my case) is really convinient and faster than hitting a web site)

    Overall, very nice feature. It's one of those things that makes it really hard to go back to panther after using Tiger for a little while.

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  6. What are the criteria anyway? by k96822 · · Score: 2

    Listen, I like Slashdot. It is the only site I surf regularly. But, sometimes, I just have to wonder what the criteria is for story postings. Why is it advertisements like this get in? Is there a problem with the story moderation system that needs fixing?

  7. Automator? by swein515 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And why no thinly veiled advertisement for Automator Sites? :)

  8. Re:This one has been around for years... by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Kinda like Sherlock. The only useful feature of it, for me, is the Movie Showtimes--saves me from having to dig through the paper, plus I get a preview. But the once every two months that I consider going to a movie are the ONLY times Sherlock gets used. Especially since the Sherlocker site shut down; I don't know of anyone trying to extend Sherlock anymore. Which means we're left with the Find Flights etc

    Really, why use this stuff when it's just a link away? Does anyone find it easier to launch Sherlock and type their google search into Sherlock, or to just go to google directly with the browser that they already likely have open? Same for Dictionary.com.
    To sum: what makes the movie button useful is that it's an aggregator of several sites; but most of the buttons simply replicate an existing site. We need more aggregators, and less purely redundant buttons.

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  9. 3 dashboard widget sites - but 0 for the masses by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've tried out all of the dashboard sites (dashboardexchange, dashboardwidgets and dashboardlineup), but none of them really seemed done "right" when compared with the konfabulator page:
    • All we want is a big fat button to the widgets-gallery download-page, and no other distractions. Because all 95% of the visitors want is to download widgets. The best thing would be to actually make the widgets page the front page
    • Show all widgets in a similar way: Title, a few words, a screenshot that is always the same size. Let users rate widgets and display the result here, too.
    • Allocate the same space for each widget. Show 5 or 10 of them on a page.
    • Have a detail page with further comments by the author and feedback by the users.
    • Make everything stylish. Widgets are, in a way, both about substance and style.
    Now, let's compare those pages, and you'll hopefully see what I mean:
    • Konfabulator The original. Nice, clean, efficient. And beautiful.
    • Dashboard Exchange Inconsitent design, varying preview sizes, too much stuff shown at once, no ratings.
    • Dasboard Widgets Tiny preview pictures that don't convey any information. Some don't even have a preview, this should be mandatory. Compare it with Konfabulator and will likely agree that the page is pretty ugly. No ratings.
    • Dashboard Lineup The newest contender, has more proudness than value. It's not even a dedicated widget-database, just a plain ol' blog. No short description. Only 2 widgets. No ratings, only comments.
    Funny that there aren't any entries that are more professional, because with Konfabulator already being there, one had only to copy the concept.

    In 2 weeks Apple releases tiger, and thousands of people will eagerly search the web for widgets. There's a huge opportunity here, too bad all current contenders didn't realize this.

    1. Re:3 dashboard widget sites - but 0 for the masses by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is your problem with Dashboard Widgets? It has a pretty decent site, including most of your bullet points. The only way they fall down is that their front page is devoted to news, and you have to click to get to the gallery (or showcase as they call it). This also seems to be one of the few sites with quite a few widgets already up and available. You claim their preview icons are too small. They are 128x128 which is plenty large on my monitor and larger than most of the images on the Konfabulator site, even with the background image they add to all of theirs. You also complain that they don't have previews for all of them, which is a valid complaint.

      Your love for the Konfabulator site, however, is misguided. I found it unintuitive. Their was no text link for more information on the widgets, only two unlabeled graphics, neither of which had an alt tag set. There is also a "More Widgets" button for each widget which, until I clicked it, I had no idea would take me to more widgets by the same author. Sorry, but if you're looking for an expertly designed web site, the Konfabulator site should not be your example.

      I gave up on Konfabulator because it was just too dog slow. Hopefully dashboard will not have the same problem.

  10. List of Existing Dashboard Widget Sites by lux55 · · Score: 3, Informative
  11. Re:Can someone please explain... by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "how are these widgets any different/better than any other app that I can write with Xcode?"

    The fact that you don't have to write them with Xcode.

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  12. Re:This one has been around for years... by rjung2k · · Score: 2, Informative

    My biggest beef with Konfabulator was that the widgets were always on the screen. If you don't have a fat display, using any part of it for stuff you access infrequently is wasteful. At least Dashboard lets me stow everything away and bring it out only when I need it.

  13. Re:Uhm.... by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I like about Dashboard is its integration with the UI. These "widgets" are actually representations of little fictitious devices. The Macintosh operating system of old had "desk accessories" - essentially cute little applets, like an alarm clock and a calculator, that were launched from the Apple menu, and appeared on top of whatever app you were running.

    21 years later Tiger kicks that concept up a notch, by having a sort of a desk accessories layer that allows you to have all these little movable devices appear on top of the document you're currently working on. There's value in that! If you're working on a document you don't ever need to take your eyes off it if you just want to paste a word into your thesaurus for a quick synonym, or quickly figure out 53 divided by 8.

    Virtual desktops are another approach, but the effect is visually jarring and your brain takes a moment to get back on track when you finally return to your work. With dashboard's widgets sitting on top of your work, you're not likely to forget what you were doing.

    OS X is chock full of gratuitous visual effects and animations like icons that shrink a little to make room for one more, minimizing windows pour themselves into the dock, menus fade out, panels slide out of the window you're working on instead of dialogs just appearing front and center -- while you don't really need any of that stuff, it gives the whole computing experience a natural feel. It makes you feel more like the UI elements on your screen are actual physical things that you touch and interact with. Dashboard builds on this.

    OS X's UI is advanced, and it comes at the expense of some processor cycles. Other GUIs need processor cycles too, just less.