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WSJ's Online Subscriptions Outperform Print

ScentCone writes "The New York Post is reporting that the Wall Street Journal's parent company, Dow Jones, is doing much better with its online publication than with print. Online subscribers pay $84/year, whereas print subscribers are still paying $356... and the profit on the online business is 20 times that of the paper flavor." From the article: "'They're simply losing market share to other media. Print publishing is not a profitable business for Dow Jones anymore,' said Feinseth. Kann is hoping that the company's long-range growth also comes in online publishing, which has profit margins at least 20-fold higher than print. The Wall Street Journal Online is signing up thousands of new subscribers, up 5.2 percent for the quarter, to a total of 731,000."

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  1. The real news by stecoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real information gathered from the story is that consumers buying Wall Street Journal online are paying 20 times too much. They should be paying $4.20 a year.

    At least competition will help as if there is so much money in something then everyone will be doing it.

    1. Re:The real news by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They should be paying $4.20 a year.

      Could you tell me how you got that out of the article?

      A buck a day for the WSJ sounds pretty damned cheap to me -- have you ever read it?

    2. Re:The real news by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real information gathered from the story is that consumers buying Wall Street Journal online are paying 20 times too much.

      Never mind that the paper version is losing them money, so making more profit than the losing part of the operation isn't, by itself, necessarily all that fabuluous.

      But the real news in your comment is that you don't think someone should make any more profit than you think they should. What is the correct profit margin for each type of business, taking into account seasonal variability, changing competition, evolving technology, company reputation, and all of the other variables that impact each business model? Do you have a table, or set of guidelines? How often do you update it, and based on what criteria?

      I have an idea. How about: the WSJ has competition, and if any of it is as good or better, and charges less, then people will spend their money there, instead. Or, regardless of what the WSJ costs, if people don't think it's worth it, they can just stop subscribing. It's almost like the market adjusts the price! *sigh*

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    3. Re:The real news by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the profit on the online business is 20 times that of the paper flavor

      You should try reading the WSJ sometime you might learn something about business fundamentals and economics. The PROFIT is NOT equal to the cost to the subscriber. All that is being said is that the online version makes 20x more profit than the paper version. So if the paper version makes $.10 per year of profit per customer, the online version is making $2.00 of profit per customer.

    4. Re:The real news by Ingolfke · · Score: 5, Informative

      For all of those of you out there who missed the satire here (oh gosh I hope it's satire) please read.

      They are in the same business yet the online is making 20 times the profit of print. Take the online subscription fee of $84 per year / 20 times the profit = $4.20 per year is the expected price for subscriptions.

      Notice that what is being done is that the total revenue per subscriber is being divided by the profit ratio. This makes no sense. That $84 per customer per year is used to pay for the infrastructure, staff, etc. to provide the service. Let's say that $80 per customer per subscriber. That leaves $4 in profit. Which would mean that the paper version makes $.20 per subscriber per year. My point is not the exact numbers, but that the basic mathematics used is WRONG! You cannot divide revenue by a profit comparison ratio and come up with a meaningful subscriber cost.

    5. Re:The real news by wfberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come-on now I don't have an MBA it is simple math though....

      Apparently there still is a need for business school..

      Just because the profit is 20x the profit of the offline version, that doesn't mean their costs are 1/20th. Assuming the profit on the offline version is 4%, the profit on the online version would be 80%, so the cost would be $16.80 -- a lot more than $4.20!

      Of course, this doesn't necessarily reflect the true cost of the online version too well - I doubt that they're expensing the costs of articles that are written for the paper version and republished online at reasonable prices; i.e. if the paper WSJ wouldn't exist, the online version couldn't copy their articles.

      So, yes, it would appear that the online version is doing well, though you'd have to look into what they're paying for their shared content to know just exactly how well.

      But if they were selling the same amount of subscriptions at $4.20 a year they'd be making huge losses.

      Of course at $4.20 a year they'd sell more subscriptions, but whether that would still make a profit remains to be seen.

      So I'm afraid your simple math didn't quite cut it..

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  2. Paper is archaic... by tquinlan · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and I would much rather read things online. Hell, I'd even pay for a well formatted paper to read on my Treo. But it just seems so archaic to watch all the people on the train in the morning attempt to fold their papers and still read while not disturbing the people they're crammed up against.

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    1. Re:Paper is archaic... by Guardian+Hacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paper may be archaic, but I already spend enough of my day in front of a computer. I personally like to be able to read the hard copy.

      Beyond less strain on the ol' peepers, it's nice to be able to get away from the computer. With the online version, it might not be DRMed, but I certainly can't easily take it with me wherever I go (sure, I can print things out, but that format is still less than ideal for me).

      I agree that the online version might be great for some, but I'm not one of those people. And I've tried NewsStand and Zinio as well as the online versions of many papers.

      Beyond what I've mentioned already... For my taste, the screen is too small a device for the display of articles. With a paper, I might have to turn a page once or twice.... with NewsStand and Zinio I found myself doing a constant 'pan and scan'. Online articles required too much scrolling and clicking of 'next'.

      I'll stick with the dead tree format (I recycle, mind you), but agree that a paper specifically formatted for display on-screen might be a good thing.

  3. White and (depends on screen) and read all over? by Leontes · · Score: 5, Informative

    This makes sense to me, especially when you are dealing with the chaotic and capricious world of finance. It's nice to have a paper with you, sure, but with the ever changing world of business, you need to have now headlines now, and yesterday's news may be obsolete by the time it gets to your door.

  4. End of Paper Publications? by Flywheels+of+Fire · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Long ago, when computers were as big as houses, and magazines were, well, 11x8, people still read magazines on paper.

    But now that your average PDA is small than the magazine, and you can get the latest news online, not to save the number of trees you save, there's not really a justification for having paper publication of periodicals.

    But I still prefer reading my books on paper. And most people I know feel the same.

  5. I wonder. . . . by jluebke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How many people (like me) do both. Existing print subscribers can add the online service for $39 per year. I prefer to do most of my reading from the print version, but the interactivity of the online is also frequently useful....

  6. Fudgy numbers by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Harldly anyone subscribes to print newspapers, the days of the paperboy chucking the sunday edition into your rosebush or onto your roof have been gone for a long while.

    People just pick it up when they stop to get gas/smokes/coffee/whatever, or just read the copy lying there on the subway, etc..

    This doesn't take those kind of numbers into account. That is, this isnt saying more people read WSJ online than they do in print.

    If I were to guess, I'd say most would prefer to read dead-tree material than read a computer or PDA screen. It's just so much more comfortable for the eyes, and easier to take to the john.

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    1. Re:Fudgy numbers by syphax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It always interests me when folks generalize their personal experiences and observations into "almost everyone/hardly anyone...".

      My experience in suburbia is that plenty of people still get print newspapers delivered. But when I lived in a city, not so much. I'm guessing the parent lives in an urban area...

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    2. Re:Fudgy numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      or just read the copy lying there on the subway,

      That's stealing!!!!!!!

      They should be find $150,000, jailed for 15 years, and sacrifice their first born to the JIAA. Lowlife pirates!

      Won't someone think of the typesetters?!?!?!

  7. Good for them, good for us by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The more publications go online successfully, the more demand there will be for ebooks and other portable reading devices, the quicker we'll finally get usable cheap ebooks.

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    1. Re:Good for them, good for us by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Project Gutenberg isn't cheap enough for you?

      If you're someone who likes reading, there's so much more good stuff in there than you're likely to find on the bestsellers rack at B&N.

      I'm not necessarily a "newer is better" type of person. I tend to like old movies, classic novels, and NES games. I'd rather read Dickens than Stephen King, and happen to think that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote much better mysteries than Dan Brown (DaVinci code was IMO formulaic drek, why all the hype?)

      YMMV

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    2. Re:Good for them, good for us by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not a chance in hell.

      until the publishers accept a OPEN ebook format and standard it will never happen.

      if I cant read that ebook I bought 5 years ago on the PDA I will purchase in 6 years it will fail horribly.

      unrealistic you say? i'll remember that the next time I read a book that is over 10 years old.

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  8. Don't forget medium costs by aendeuryu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that's only the subscriptions. Never mind the medium costs. Print costs are really expensive. Maybe some other Slashdotters would have better statistics available at hand, but I remember doing a print run of 1000 copies of a magazine with 32 pages in it for about $1000 (cdn). These days you can get free online webpages that'll handle bandwidth that matches that kind of distribution, whereas paper and ink costs haven't gone down all that much in the past few years.

  9. From a WSJ reader. by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ... consumers buying Wall Street Journal online are paying 20 times too much.

    It would seem that way, wouldn't it? But the reporting and writing that paper does is superior to just about everyone else. I'm willing to pay the amount they're demanding. Am I stupid? Maybe. But I think the other alternatives are definately not worth their price.
    And I'd lik to add that I pay the newstand price ($1) because the WSJ is a data whore. When I did subscribe to them, my junk mail increased about three fold.

  10. sounds like a deal, right? by Whafro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All of these publications make their bank by overpricing their products to make even ripoff prices sound like a great deal. After all, why would any magazine give you a year's subscription for eighty or ninety percent below the cover price? Jack up the price on the cover so people think they're getting an amazing deal on a subscription while you still bring in large profits.

    This is just the next extension. You think you're getting a great deal with your print subscription? How about an online subscription for even MORE savings?

    I think that these online publications and their pricing schemes are only as successful as they are because they have such precedent as being a pricey product. It's why CD's are still $15, why purchasing digital music is around a buck a track, and why people buy books on amazon thinking that their 10% discount is amazing.

    1. Re:sounds like a deal, right? by jbolden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The WSJ unlike most newspapers today still does a lot of its own research in detail. They have a large staff and they give them the time to turn out quality articles. Further the cost of distribution is high. Even in affluent neighborhoods a small percentage of the people want a speciality newspaper.

      The WSJ costs a lot because its much more expensive to produce than your average newspaper. I'm glad they are making money they produce a quality product and they deserve it (with the exception of the editorial page which is junk).

    2. Re:sounds like a deal, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's the problem with the argument that "50% off the cover price!" subscriptions means the cover price is a ripoff.

      Printing is expensive. And there's zero resale market--unlike an unsold copy of a book (which you can potentially sell later), magazines and newspapers have a clear expiration date--when the next one comes out. Which means printing exactly the right amount of things is tricky--print too many, and you waste money. Print too few, and you lose sales.

      If I'm running Sports Illustrated, and I am printing a copy for a known and paid subscriber, that very low risk--I know this copy will be sold, I know I can distribute it by mailing it direct from my printing facility (no need to ship it somewhere else first), I know I will be paid, and I know that there's no middle man taking a cut (the price I sell for is the price you pay).

      If I'm printing for retail distribution, things are different. I need to ship the magazines to resellers. I have to sell to those resellers at less than the final "cover" price--otherwise the reseller doesn't make any money (so I make LESS than you pay for the magazine). I also have to price in the risk of the magainzes not selling--I will probably print more than I think "average" sales will be so I'm covered if there's unuaully high demand for this issue, so I'm expecting to take some level of losses for unsold inventory.

      By cutting out the middle man, cutting the distribution costs, and by removing the risk/waste factor from pricing, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that subscription prices reasonably should be fairly substantially below the cover prices.

  11. Expenses by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 3, Informative

    In relative expenses, print is so much more Capital Intensive compared to On-line. Not only that, but the turn-around required to post a story is faster with web-based publishing. Most economic projections show that charging 50% less for a yearly subscription for significantly faster news response is over 200% more profitable when going to a web-based readership.

    They should offer a paid service for stories over 2 months old and delay stories by 15 minutes to an hour for non-subscribers. In addition, have specialized content for subscribers. With no required signup to see the free content, they would encourage people to check out the site. I believe they would end up with a decent return on investment.

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  12. Bean counters to the rescue! by Pac · · Score: 3, Funny

    As soon as the accountants and investment people see this, this wierd situation will be solved by their golden goose killing habits.

    Their first thought will be "Let's raise the online subscription to $356, so our online profit will almost 100 times the paper profit!!".

    Their second thought will be "This online thing was a passing fad anyway".

  13. Ad revenue is key by krygny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Circulation (i.e., dead-tree distribution) is expensive and most pubs do it at a loss, or at best break-even, based on the full cover price. But ad revenue is much higher for print than on line. An ad in the paper is much more likely to reach the target, hence costs more and is more worth it. An on line ad may be exposed to more eyeballs, but they are filtered by the frontal cortex.

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  14. Subscription price is wrong by kajoob · · Score: 3, Informative

    Online subscribers pay $84/year, whereas print subscribers are still paying $356

    The WSJ only costs you $356 if you buy it from the newstand every day. Don't do that. In fact, you can get a year of the print AND online versions for only slightly more than the online versions. Check here for a $99/year deal. (referral-free link).

    What I like about the WSJ is that, unlike in most papers where fact and opinion are combined through out all the news articles, the WSJ is pretty much straight facts in the articles and the opinions are relegated to the Opinion section. Don't get me wrong, I like reading the Opinion section but when it comes to news reporting, just the facts ma'am!

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  15. Re:First of Many... by jbolden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Almost all the "first-tier" papers tried charging for content. The WSJ was the only one that was succesful. The reason is that WSJ has original content that no one else has while the other papers are all getting their news from wire services and government briefings so they all had the same stuff. The NYTimes of the 1950s which has a large international staff (and thus plenty of original international content) probably could have had a pay website. The NYTimes today doesn't have anything all that important to say.

  16. Re:Resolution issue by DustMagnet · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Books are printed at ~15000 dpi.

    That's 1.7 microns! A human hair is about 100 microns. High end litho presses run about 900 lpi.

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