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U.S. Fed Goes Brand Neutral

Rollie Hawk writes "The White House and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) sent out notice this week that government purchases, including in IT, need to be open to many brand names. 'We are concerned the use of brand name specifications in agency solicitations may have increased significantly in recent years, particularly for information technology procurements,' according to the OMB. AMD is certainly happy with this news, having long complained of the unholy marriage between the Fed and Intel. Perhaps this will even open the way for Linux and other open-source options being chosen over Microsoft and the like. If this works out, it will lead to a better fiscal situation on many fronts. The increased competition will lower the cost to taxpayers (though the money will still get spent somewhere) and the wider spread of contracts will help competitors to chip away at the dominance of Microsoft and Intel."

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  1. This misses the point by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps this will even open the way for Linux and other open-source options being chosen over Microsoft and the like.

    The government buys what its contractors tell it to. Thus, the only open source will get into the government is when the IBM's, EDS's and Oracle's of the world start pushing open source (or at least partial open source) solutions to the government. While there are many smart people in the government who like open source, they rarely make the spending decisions (and face it, MS and other proprietary vendors court the decision makers). The key is to raise awareness among the PHBs and to get the solution providers to push open source.

    1. Re:This misses the point by Pillowthink · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're aware that IBM uses linux on every one of it's programmer's boxes and ships mostly linux servers, right?

  2. Pollyanna... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If this works out, it will lead to a better fiscal situation on many fronts.

    Not necessarily. As one familiar with public purchasing, to save a few $ some very crappy hardware (and software) have been purchased over the year. Sometimes these items are excessively buggy and shortlived, which means the entity goes shopping again before the anticipated lifespan of the items has been met. Sometimes the software is such crap that it takes more man-hours to get things done than with another package (seen happen over and over and over and over again...)

    The increased competition will lower the cost to taxpayers (though the money will still get spent somewhere)

    What you say? If it still gets spent then it did nothing for taxpayers.

    and the wider spread of contracts will help competitors to chip away at the dominance of Microsoft and Intel."

    But it will increase the need for contract management and oversight. Further, if you have one or a few vendors there's only so much opportunity for finger pointing when the fertilizer hits the impeller. Complexity may be good if you're looking for jobs to make X work with Y and/or Z, because it's your specialty, but it can be a nightmare for containing expenses.

    While in general I think it's a good thing that there'll be more transparency in RFP's and RFQ's I'm too jaded to believe this is automatically all good.

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  3. Will it actually make a difference? by DianeOfTheMoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that not being "brand name" as far as components go is a good thing, but if they keep buying Dell, this is nothing more than an empty promise.

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  4. Re:From what I've read by inertia187 · · Score: 4, Funny
    dubya:~ bush$ man nukuler
    No manual entry for nukuler
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  5. Forget Linux... by banuk · · Score: 3

    even open the way for Linux and other open-source options being chosen over Microsoft

    ...maybe they'll choose MacOSX I mean even according to Thurrott you'll see that Tiger is one impressive cat and besides, MacOSX is "slightly" more secure than Windows

  6. Also Good News for Apple by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see a $499 Mac Mini filling the needs of a lot of government agencies. And it's immunity to viruses and spyware is a big bonus.

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    1. Re:Also Good News for Apple by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People keep complaining about the Mini being "not so cheap" when you factor in the keyboard, mouse and monitor. But come on! How many people are really buying one of these as a "first machine" these days? Everyone I know has a spare monitor, keyboard and mouse lying around someplace - or at least can take the old ones off the system they're swapping out for the new Mini.

      For that matter, people are constantly buying their own replacement mice and keyboards (and sometimes even displays) because they don't like whatever was original equipment with their PC. Every PC comes with a mouse and keyboard, yet every single office supply superstore and electronics/appliance place has a full aisle of nothing but mice and keyboards! This wouldn't happen if most people were just content with their original mice/kbds.

  7. This could be good or bad. by BridgeBum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm all for the government opening up it's purchasing process in commodity markets such as PC purchases, but who is going to be making these decisions for the government? Consider this scenario:

    Engineer: We need to purchase 2 Cisco 7206VXR routers for our internet T3s.

    Procurement: I'm sorry, you can't specify the brand. I found this nice Linksys router for you. It's much cheaper.

    Given the level of (in)compentancy in goverment offices, do you really think that the above scenario is so unlikely?

    P.S. I'm aware that Cisco owns Linksys. That just adds to the irony IMHO.

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    1. Re:This could be good or bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mods; forgive my posting as AC, but I'm not really supposed to talk about this aspect of my job... hehe.

      Anyways, you have no idea how fucked up this can actually get. Some parts of the government actually have policies which mandate that they buy from multiple competitors. In the industry that I'm in (contractor for the air force), this gets a bit out of hand. One project that I worked on involved a jet engine which was the result of a joint-effort between two companies which have been competing against each other for the last 50 years.

      Needless to say, the whole thing is an enormous clusterfuck. Neither company wants to share data with the other. Both sides use different notations, document formatting, and so forth, and neither bothered to find a middle ground. So that left our company in the middle, in sea of miscommunication and scrambled data. Add this to the pre-existing incompetence of the army at large, and christ knows how they ever managed to get this plane off the ground.

    2. Re:This could be good or bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We need to purchase 2 Cisco 7206VXR routers for our internet T3s.

      You know, there are many other router vendors out there, like Juniper and Foundry, that perform better than Cisco gear for a lot less.

      That's why they don't want you to specify the brand. Specify the desired function instead.

  8. If its saving them any money.... by shakezula · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stick my percentage back in my Social Security account please.

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  9. eMachine baby by lateralus_1024 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I knew holding my eMachine stock would pay off.

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  10. Re:From what I've read by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Some government employees aren't the brightest when it comes to computing. I wonder what sort of problems having them learn to use linux would cause?

    And some of them are the brightest people you may ever meet. Don't be such a bigot. I've had to interact with man federal agencies over the years and quite a few of them know exactly what they are doing. The problems often lie in the direction of contractors who come in and technically meet the letter of a contract, but in spirit leave something lacking, which allows overruns to happen.

    I once had a very amusing talk with someone at the US Dept of Education. He knew what we needed to submit and what the issue I was raising meant, but try to get the contractor to understand it.

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  11. Vendors will "help" write the new specs :( by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Old spec:
    Microsoft Word 2003

    New spec:
    Word processor which supports the following requirements:
    {insert long list of specifications at least one of which is covered by a Microsoft patent}

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  12. Re:The Fed Has a Negative Budget by foonf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Umm...

    I think the original article clearly refers to the entire federal government, not just the Federal Reserve. So the references to "The Fed" in the Slashdot story are misleading.

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  13. Unholy what? by Attackman · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...having long complained of the unholy marriage between the Fed and Intel."
    Shhh. With the current administration, that's an "unholy civil union." And don't think you can just talk about it that way either. We'll not discuss how a federal institution and a chip maker are living in sin, thank you very much ;)

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  14. whatever happened to.... by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whatever happened to the government requirement that systems and technology be POSIX compliant? I know I first was aware of that bent back in the early nineties, because that's when I went to work with Microsoft under the auspices of NT and its "POSIX compliance". It's also when I quit working for Microsoft when at the NT POSIX sub-system presentation (video-taped for posterity's sake) "Margaret" prefaced the presentation with the announcement (and I paraphrase), "Before we get started with the presentation, let me make clear that as far as Microsoft is concerned, we don't care about the POSIX sub-system, we don't intend to support it, and we don't intend to do anything with it in the future. It's simply a check box so we can get Government contracts."

    I thought the move to POSIX compliant systems was a step in the right direction, and I'm not sure I've seen any news or publicity to the contrary. Guess something's changed...

    For the record, a subsequent followup phone call to Larry Kroger at Microsoft confirmed the message in a strong way....

  15. Re:Am I the only one... by starfishsystems · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Am I the only one that sees this as possibly a bad thing?

    Probably not, but that has no logical bearing on the discussion.

    The problem with any software which attempts to interoperate with a proprietary data format is that the proprietary format is designed to exclude that interoperation. Don't blame the other software for that! The same is true whether the other software is free or encumbered.

    You're right, it is about your tax dollars, and mine, and our children's. It's an egregiously bad idea for governments, operating with public funds in the public trust, to allow themselves to get locked into any proprietary data format. At best, that data, our data, becomes hostage to proprietary interest. And as you've clearly illustrated, the consequences can be severe.

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  16. Navy extensively uses Linux... by brianber · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...on many mission critical systems. I happen to know the latest and greatest submarine Fire Control and Sonar systems run on Linux. I'd say about 90% of the stuff that runs Windows is non-mission critical. If the sub,s LAN goes down, sure it sucks, but no one is going to die as a direct result...at least not on a 688. If we lose Fire Control or Sonar, we're screwed.

  17. War with Britain by guet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today, we're practically a socialist country.

    Either you have no idea what socialism means, or you're wilfully misusing the term.

    The US is presently at the opposite pole from socialism, you'd do better to choose fascism (in the sense of govt being close to corporations) if you wish to exaggerate. Taxes are currently relatively low in the US. I still wouldn't want to live there though, because healthcare and education don't seem to be government priorities (relative to the UK for example). Military spending, in contrast, is at an all time high. Not all government is bad, contrary to received wisdom on this website.