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North Pole Gets Wi-Fi Hotspot

Torrey Clark writes "Two Moscow-based Intel employees have setup a Wi-Fi hotspot near the North Pole, according to Intel. The hot spot was built in the Arctic region at the Barneo ice camp, a tent complex used by scientists, researchers and rescue crews during the month of April, when ice conditions are safe. Still, the camp environment is never ideal for computer devices, as the air temperature rarely rises above -30 Celsius, according to Intel. The hotspot uses Intel's Centrino equipment and the Iridium satellite phone system as backhaul. The company said in its statement that the installation shows that the equipment can be used in extreme circumstances. It said that those at the camp use the hotspot access for chores ranging from e-mail to getting real-time weather conditions and for taking care of matters at home, including, potentially, financial transactions."

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  1. Misnomer by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shouldn't that be a coldspot, then?

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    1. Re:Misnomer by Delta2.0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't care what its what its called... Anyone up for a little warsleding?

    2. Re:Misnomer by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Boy! its a good thing they didn't put one under the sea.. I dont know if intel would want to take responsibility for a wetspot.

  2. Perhaps it will be used for by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Funny

    warmth.

    1. Re:Perhaps it will be used for by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, they would be using a Prescott for that...

      (couldn't resist)

  3. I know what you are thinking... by Greg+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pretty cool, but I know what you are thinking, "-30 Celsius, so what,
    we have wireless communications and electronics operating out in deep
    space where it is only 3 degrees kelvin!"

    Well, it is a lot colder for sure, more difficult and expensive, but not as bad as
    you might think. It is actually kind of hard to get space craft electronics down
    to a very low temperature that is needed for items like x-ray telescopes and the
    like. Space craft that don't want any heat radiation at all affecting them. From a
    tutorial on extreme temperature electronics:

    "Far from anything (in intergalactic space, for example) a passive object would
    cool to a few kelvins (a few degrees above absolute zero). However, spacecraft
    are not in such an environment during their useful life; most spacecraft are near
    bodies such as the Earth and also receive energy from the Sun. In addition,
    spacecraft usually incorporate power sources (chemical batteries, solar cells,
    or nuclear generators), and the resulting heat must be dissipated. [snip]

    Cooling a spacecraft down to a few kelvins passively (without refrigeration or a cryogen)
    in the inner Solar System is probably impossible. However, quite low temperatures can
    be attained by using well designed thermal shielding and insulation combined with
    large heat radiators. For example, major parts of the James Webb Space Telescope
    (JWST) (Formerly the Next Generation Space Telescope, NGST) are planned to be
    operated as cold as about 35 K (about 240C) by these techniques."

    Still 240C is pretty impressive. However, At the low end, operation of
    semiconductor-based devices and circuits has often been reported down to
    temperatures as low as a few degrees above absolute zero, in other words as
    low as about 270C. This includes devices based on Si, Ge, GaAs and other
    semiconductor materials. Moreover, there is no reason to believe that operation
    should not extend all the way down to absolute zero.

    You can learn more here:

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    1. Re:I know what you are thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Damn, why can't I get links right....For more info
      try here:

      http://www.extremetemperatureelectronics.com/tutor ial1.html

    2. Re:I know what you are thinking... by nihilogos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Moreover, there is no reason to believe that operation should not extend all the way down to absolute zero.

      Except that, by definition, a device at absolute zero wouldn't be doing anything.

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    3. Re:I know what you are thinking... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Moreover, there is no reason to believe that operation
      should not extend all the way down to absolute zero.


      Um, doesn't everything stop at absolute zero, which is an unattainable and theoretical temperature to begin with?

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    4. Re:I know what you are thinking... by Feyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      im sure you meant -240C and -270C there. we don't want those telescopes boilings :)

    5. Re:I know what you are thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's okay. Most of the people on wireless networks aren't doing anything, either.

    6. Re:I know what you are thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      lol, actually as you approach 0 Kelvin all mass melds into a solid glob called the Bose-Einstein condensates. Its part of quantum mechanics because it is impossible to determine where and how fast the electrons are on any given atom or the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. By finding its location you affectively move it and thus it is impossible to pin point the electron. Originally people thought that by cooling it down to 0 kelvin that you would freeze the electrons in place however Bose and Einstien theorized that at 0 kelvin all matter tranforms into a new state called a condensate. A condensate is ensentially an atom whose electrons/protons/neutrons have melded into a sinlge lump. In this state it is impossible to determine any of the components of an atom. The condensate is basically spreading out further and further as you got closer to absolute zero. However, its impossible to get to absolute zero but you get the idea.

      Thats basiclly how it goes. I tried to make explain it in the simplest way I could and so to those who actually know the physics it sounds pretty dumb but thats the basics. Since I highly doubt you know the math, physics and technology behind this I won't go into it. Overall you can not reach absolute zero and no one really knows the electrical or mechanicle properties of condensates so its not really possible to give you an answer. But I would guess based on the knowledge that I have that the behavior of condensates is so different that all known physical or electronic properties no longer exist. Thus the electronics would not function at all. That is if you could get the entire device to near absolute zero. Hope that helps.

  4. I always wanted to WiFi there by ErebusNT · · Score: 4, Funny

    Glad they solved this problem. I always wanted to wirelessly connect there.

  5. That's funny by CSMastermind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The north pole? Intersting but wouldn't it be great to place a wireless node on every telephone pole? Just a public accessable wireless network that was free to use. Maybe included wireless networks in every government building. I really do feel wireless is the future of networking. We should take steps now to set up a huge coast to coast wireless network.

  6. "Potentially" by NitsujTPU · · Score: 5, Funny

    including, potentially, financial transactions

    Also including, potentially, browsing for porn and hot online cybersex.

  7. Mail your wish lists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So now we can mail Santa Clause?

    Great :D

    1. Re:Mail your wish lists! by Lapsed+Catholic · · Score: 2, Funny

      So now we can mail Santa Clause?

      From: joe@sixpack.com
      To: santa@northpole.org
      Subject: Filthy Communist!

      Dear Santa,

      You are no longer welcome in our home. I have been distressed to learn that a public access point exists at the North Pole, which means you must be a Communist who hates the American way of life.

      We should have known, with the RED suit, and the commune of little elves!

  8. -30 degrees celcius! by Winckle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine the overclocking!

  9. News headlines for 2005.4.16 by showardkid · · Score: 4, Funny
    New phishing scam originates in Barneo ice camp

    Sources say that the scammers set up a wireless hotspot and commenced hosting a web page on an Apache web server.

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  10. TLD? by harmonica · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Antarctica has .aq, but what about the north pole?

  11. Penguins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    OF COURSE PENGUINS LIVE IN THE ARCTIC CIRCLE!!

    Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
    Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  12. I can see it now... by BrainSurgeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Prof Tom: "Damn it Bob! Quit tying up the satellite phone! I need to get online!"

    Prof Bob (on the Phone): "No, I love you more!...No, you hang up first.."

    Prof Tom: "Damn it Bob! My "online" girlfriend goes to bed at 11! HURRY UP!"

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  13. Definitely not broadband by jessehager · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Iridium satellite data services:
    Dial-up-data: 2.4 kbps
    Direct Internet Data: 10 kbps (when the compression is working)

  14. Huh? by Leomania · · Score: 4, Funny

    those at the camp use the hotspot access for chores ranging from e-mail to getting real-time weather conditions

    Folks... you're in a tent at the north pole... you don't need an internet connection to check on weather conditions! Just open the tent flap, for goodness' sake.

    - Leo

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  15. OC anyone? by stm2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some thoughts about IT in the poles:

    - It should be easy for overclockers to play there.
    - Computers must be very silent, since they don't need coolers.
    - You could put use the heat grid at the side of the notebook to warm your hands (I do it sometimes without living in the north pole).
    - IceWM must be default desktop manager.
    - ??

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  16. Mods by northcat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Informative? INFORMATIVE?!?

  17. If there's a hotspot... by Ruprecht+the+Monkeyb · · Score: 3, Funny

    there'll be a Starbucks there within a week.

  18. The Geekiest job at the North Pole by barfy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Used to be Dentist... Now it's IT Guy...

  19. Pfft, the northpole is only NOW getting wifi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    We've already got hotspots at Concordia station and Amundsen-Scott. Had 'em for years.

  20. Don't tell this guy... by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep this to yourselves, folks. Otherwise, those poor Russians will have this guy just randomly showing up in a parka he found in a dumpster wanting to set up his abandoned CPU and monitor:

    http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000263038617/

    IronChefMorimoto

  21. HOORAY!!! by atomm1024 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Pokey and his pals can now enjoy fun and learning with wireless UNTERNET!!!!

    (Authentic Pokey all-caps type omitted because of the lame lameness filter. Apologies for any lack of fun happy this may have caused.)

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  22. -30 C, eh. So I'm guessing ... by fygment · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... CPU and case cooling isn't a problem. It runs totally quiet. That peristent deafening blowing sound? That'd be the WIND!

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  23. ASL by Rie+Beam · · Score: 2, Funny

    27/m/NPole

  24. Isn't it obvious? by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    The North Pole is .ic

  25. smashing by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Funny
    Intersting but wouldn't it be great to place a wireless node on every telephone pole? Just a public accessable wireless network that was free to use.

    Smashing idea! Because after all, it's cheaper to put two electronic boxes on top of two poles than to run a wire between the two poles. Geez, those silly phone companies, what were they thinking.

  26. Kelvin start at -270... by puregen1us · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think you need to put in a minus sign or two...

    -240 Celsius = 35 Kelvin

    0K = absolute 0 = -273 C or thereabouts.

    0C = 273 K

    240C = 240 + 273...

    Alex

  27. RIAA files new wave of lawsuits against Santa by Kylere · · Score: 2, Funny

    Los Angeles, 2009. The RIAA today announced that they have filed 9 "John Doe" IP based lawsuits against file sharers abusing the North Pole Hot Spot to download evil MP3 files. Using their powers under the CAN-RIGHTS law, they lauched a ICBM with 10 MIRV based 20 Megaton nuclear warheads.

    This meets their new slogan, "The RIAA - Megatons for Megabytes!"

  28. WRONG! Thermal Velocity != Current Velocity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's patently false. Absolute zero is the temp at which thermal velocity (vibration, rotation of particles) stops. There is no reason why it would prevent ELECTRICAL fields from inducing electron flows.

    An electron at absolute zero is still fully capable of moving in response to an electrical field. Now, granted, when the electrons start moving, you can talk about them having a temperature. However, that's just a manifestation of the transfer of energy (electrical potential -> kinetic/temperature). Once that energy is used to do work, ie, emitting a photon from an LED, then the temp is back down to absolute zero.

    Yes, I am a physicist.

    1. Re:WRONG! Thermal Velocity != Current Velocity by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We obey the laws of thermodynamics in this house.

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  29. Does it run Linux? by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 3, Funny

    I assume it would support ELF binaries?

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  30. Nope by hawk · · Score: 3, Funny
    They're using intel chips. It may be -30 outside, but it sure isn't inside the case . . .

    :)

    hawk

  31. Oh noes! by ErZo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gee, Now WHO take the blame of melting the polar caps?
    Intel of course!

    Basterds with those hotspots!

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