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Trent Reznor Challenges Music Norms

alset_tech writes "Trent Reznor (of Nine Inch Nails) has released the new single from NIN's upcoming album as a GarageBand file for fan remixes. Though by no means the first time a major-label artist has released a track to the public for remix, this is the first time such a project has been as open to the common user. The repercussions to 'traditional' IP views in music could be beneficial to all. Note that the license agreement does not allow commercial use of the included sounds. From the download text: 'What I'm giving you in this file is the actual multi-track audio session for 'the hand that feeds' in GarageBand format. This is the entire thing bounced over from the actual Pro Tools session we recorded it into. I imported and converted the tracks into AppleLoop format so the size would be reasonable and the tempo flexible.'"

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  1. Great idea... but how well does it carry by swilde23 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    nin_garageband.sit

    .sit!!

    Another reason for all you Winblows users to switch a different os. If Mr. Reznor himself uses a mac....

    On Topic. It would be nice to see more artists pulling "stunts" like this. I call it a stunt, because although I think it's a great idea, you don't see this kind of thing happening often. If you give your audience a chance to become part of your music, you will become all that much closer (no pun intended) with them.

    It works particularly well in the case of NIN, simply because their music handles remixes so well. I have trouble seeing anyone other then Ben Folds performing a different rendition of "Tiny Dancer". You never know though, do you. Perhaps there is some music genius out there just waiting for the right opportunity.

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    1. Re:Great idea... but how well does it carry by swilde23 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, it was a poor attempt at sarcasm, way to early on a Saturday morning.

      Simple logic from the masses:
      1) NIN R0x0rs
      2) Trent Reznor is NIN so he is c00l
      3) Trent Reznor uses a Mac to mix his music
      4) from (2) and (3) Macs must be cool!

      Disclaimer: The author apologizes for the leet speek. It was simply used it for emphasis in portraying the "true" nature of NIN's younger fan base.

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  2. Re:Is this what you might call... by nocomment · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not it's not OSS.

    Here's the EULA when you try tomount the .dmg.

    End User License

    Please read the terms of the following software License Agreement before downloading this product. By clicking on the link below and downloading this product, you agree to become bound by the terms of the License Agreement. If you do not agree with the terms of the License Agreement, do not click the I AGREE button below. Interscope Records ("Licensor") guarantees that the downloaded product has been created and recorded specially for this project and any similarity to any other recording is unintentional.

    1. The sound samples recorded on these CDs remain the property of Licensor and are licensed, not sold, to you for use on your sampling software or equipment.

    2. A right to use the enclosed sounds is granted to the original end-user of the product (Licensee) and is NOT transferable.

    3. The Licensee may modify the sounds but MAY NOT USE THE SOUNDS, MODIFIED OR UNMODIFIED, FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WITHIN MUSICAL COMPOSITIONS. Licensee must obtain a separate license from Licensor in respect of any intended commercial uses.

    4. This license expressly forbids resale, relicensing or other distribution of any of these sounds, either as they exist upon downloading, or any modification thereof. You cannot sell, loan, rent, lease, assign or transfer all or any of the enclosed sounds to another user, or for use in any competitive product.

    5. Licensor will not be responsible if the contents of these discs does not fit the particular purpose of the Licensee.

    6. Use of the included sound sample in isolation such as, but not limited to, video game soundtracks (where they appear in isolation or as sound effects) is not permitted without first obtaining a separate License from Licensor.

    7. Use of the included sound samples in 'library music' (also known as 'production music') intended for commercial exploitation, is not permitted without first obtaining a separate License from Licensor.

    ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. © 2005 Interscope Records.

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  3. Oh, the possibilities... by BandwidthHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    One accordian solo, coming right up!

    And now that I think about it... what sort of cowbell samples does GarageBand come with?

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  4. Got the idea from his friend by Sebilrazen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Trent Reznor, great musician, got his idea from http://www.davidbowie.com/neverFollow/ David Bowie

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  5. NIN! NIN! NIN! by metalligoth · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a person into Industrial music that loves Nine Inch Nails and is big into the Apple platform, let me be the first here to say OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! FUCK YEAH! NINE INCH NAILS FUCKING RULES!

    *faints*

  6. Re:Audio and Apple by bbzzdd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Acid Pro is the Windows equivalent of Garageband. In fact some of the guys who wrote Acid worked on Garabgeband for Apple.

    Brian "Head" Welch" (the ex-Korn guitarist who found Jesus) allegedly recorded his new album entirely in GarageBand. Maybe he will release his stuff too, being that's the Christian thing to do and all.

  7. Re:In other words. by bilbo47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gadzooks man! Have you not heard of "The Fragile"? A two CD set, mixed perfectly from start to finish, that spent a lot of time on the music charts, many singles on the radio stations, really cool music videos, an extensive world tour, and a resulting 2 disc concert DVD which came in Dolby 5.1 and DTS format. The DVD is by far, one of the most amazing music-based DVD's I own -- very good production quality. Even people who don't like Nine Inch Nails appreciate the DVD when I show it to them :)

  8. Another First by malraid · · Score: 5, Informative

    This guy was the first big artist to record the soundtrack for a computer game (remember Quake 1?)
    Now he's the first one to release a song as a GarageBand file.
    He brought industrial music (or something like this) into the main stream.
    Be brought forward some new huge bands like Marylin Manson and Filter (I'm not arguing if they're good or bad)
    But he is just going to release his fourth album in almost 20 years of career.
    There's even a WHOLE movie that's based off the images of the video for "Closer" (Ok, so the movie sucks and the video wasn't Trent's work, but still)
    For me, this guy is the most influential musician of the last 15 years.

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  9. iWonder what this will mean by circusboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for apple sales to the college crowd...

    when I was in college, it was mostly Macintosh, <disclaimer> it was an art school</disclaimer> though we did have Irix and AIX stations for 3D work (and even an amiga for video.) I understand that things have changed since then ( I haven't really been paying attention,) to be mostly a windows thing. (It is for the college I currently work for, (though I was lucky enough to be given a mac to work on instead.))

    do you all think that the mix of iPod, iTunes and now GarageBand are enough to grab a reasonable share of the impressionable, fashion-conscious, future buyer? Or do you think that Apple might cave, and put out GarageBand for windows? (though guessing its dependence on coreAudio might make that port a more significant challenge.)

    (iNote with some interest that the spell checker in panther passes iPod and iTunes with out a pause, but fails with GB and iNote. It will be interesting to see the dictionary in Tiger to see what iThings will pass the spellchecker... note that it does not offer iPod as an alternative spelling, it just doesn't mark it as misspelled.)

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  10. From The Man... by metalligoth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Note from Trent in the .sit file:

    Hello all-

    For quite some time I've been interested in the idea of allowing you the ability to tinker around with my tracks - to create remixes, experiment, embellish or destroy what's there. I tried a few years ago to do this in shockwave with very limited results.

    After spending some quality time sitting in hotel rooms on a press tour, it dawned on me that the technology now exists and is already in the hands of some of you. I got to work experimenting and came up with something I think you'll enjoy.

    What I'm giving you in this file is the actual multi-track audio session for "the hand that feeds" in GarageBand format. This is the entire thing bounced over from the actual Pro Tools session we recorded it into. I imported and converted the tracks into AppleLoop format so the size would be reasonable and the tempo flexible.

    So...

    You need a Macintosh and you need GarageBand 2.0. If you have a newer Mac, you already have the software. The more RAM you have the better. I did this on a PowerBook 1.67 w/ 2G RAM but it has been running on far less powerful systems. Drag the file over to your hard disk and double click it. Hit the space bar. Listen.

    Change the tempo. Add new loops. Chop up the vocals. Turn me into a woman. Replay the guitar. Anything you'd like.

    I gave this to my crew and band to test out and all work effectively stopped for a while - it's fun to mess around with. I've now heard a country version of the track as well as an abstract Latin interpretation (thanks, Leo).

    There are some copyright issues involved, so read the notice that pops up. Giving this away is an experiment. I'm interested to see what comes of it, what issues are raised and what the results are.

    Have fun-

    Trent Reznor

    April 15, 2005

    1. Re:From The Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Turn me into a woman ...

      My fantasy come true! It's like he's been reading my diary ...

  11. Great for Educational Uses by pbooktebo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I love about this most is not the remix potential. I teach at an arts high school, and I plan on bringing this in to class.

    I loaded the file into GarageBand and gave it a listen. What I love is that you can "solo" any of the tracks (listen to just that track and nothing else). Trent has done a nice job labeling all the tracks (there are 17 of them in all). Some are especially subtle, and it is great to hear just the "Ambience" track, then put the whole mix back on and listen for it.

    This gives students a chance to better understand how much creativity it takes to make what basically sounds like a simple rock song.

    Remixes are also a great use of this technology, but the ability to break complex media down to their components and discuss how they enhance our experience is really priceless. I'd love to have this with "A Day in the Life" from the Beatles, too (hear all those grand pianos at the end one by one)! Someday...

  12. Performance tip for non-G5 users by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 5, Informative

    People who won't use GarageBand much may not have noticed that by default, new tracks are created with both Echo and Reverb plugins turned on and their values set to 0. If you get errors during playback saying "too many plugins or effects" for your system, go through track by track and turn off Echo and Reverb. Even though their values are set to 0, they seem to still occupy CPU cycles. Made the track playable on my 1 Ghz G4 iMac with 512 MB RAM.

  13. Re:Is this what you might call... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, is this the first time a EULA got modded +5?

  14. First or not, who cares? by borud · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Who gives a rat's ass if this is a first or not!? If you're into firsts then go buy a stack of Guiness Book of Records -- it has plenty of fodder for you.

    What is cool is that he is a major recording artist (whether you like his music or not) and that he has made it trivial (rather than just "possible") for the masses to remix his music.

    It's not like it wasn't worth doing if someone had done it before.

  15. Re:Is this what you might call... by Leviathant · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi there, just thought I'd comment on this, I run a big fat nine inch nails website... We were concerned at first about the license, especially the bit about "other distribution of any of these sounds, either as they exist upon downloading, or any modification thereof." This amounts to a cover-your-ass clause... the band and Interscope are encouraging people to remix or whatever with this file. Interscope suggested to the band that they hook up with MySpace for fan distribution of the glut of remixes that will come out, but for one reason or another, that (and the notion of doing this as a contest) didn't happen. So if you do soemthing with these files, you are welcome to host them without fear of the record label coming at you -- otherwise what would the purpose be of doing this in the first place? That being said, I have a PC, and I just extracted the AIFF files... never saw the license ;)

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  16. Re:Hey, I've got this wacky idea! by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the little blurb he wrote up to go with the release, one of the things he talked about was how going to garageband allowed for much smaller file sizes. Maybe nobody wanted to host the full size dealie.

    People like you, I just don't understand. Someone gives the world something, a complete gift, and you bitch that it's not enough. What is your problem? If he did put out the ProTools session, you'd probably complain about the EULA. If he made it less restrictive, you'd wonder where the hell the rest of his songs were.

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  17. Not the first time by G3ek · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not the first time Trent has done something like this.
    Right after The Fragile [amazon.com] was released, Trent and David Bowie both put a song online from their new albums to be remixed by the public but you had to use a proprietary web based application.
    it was really fun getting to mess with the tracks, and I applaud Trent for this venture. I 3 NIN.

  18. Re:Eh, not really breaking ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is huge. If it catches on, it could fulfill the prediction Brian Eno once made about popular music eventually becoming user-modifiable constructs.

    Bah, that's nothing new. My mom used to user-modify popular music when she was growing up. She used software called "sheet music" with a hardware device called a "piano." She was even able to add her voice to the mix!