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Aspect-Oriented Programming Considered Harmful

kupci writes "The 'x considered harmful' cry is a little overused, but there is a Forrester report that discusses some of the pro's and con's of Aspect-oriented Programming, and includes some interesting links. It is mainly based on papers from the University of Passau. It's worth it just for Clark's 'COME FROM' article." From the article: "Aspect-oriented programming (AOP) is intended to address common problems that object-oriented programming (OOP) doesn't address well, plus some problems that OOP itself created. However, AOP is a risky solution: It is a very generic mechanism for solving some very specific concerns and has been likened to a kind of "GOTO" statement for OOP. Like GOTO, it can cause more harm than good."

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  1. Executive Whining by idsfa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a new idea in field I am incapable of getting a job in that is gaining in popularity among people I wish cared about my opinions. Buzzword I am dissing is intended to address common problems that buzzword everyone likes doesn't address well, plus something into which I have no insight. However, buzzword I am dissing is a risky solution: Complaint which betrays my ignorance and has been likened to somthing everyone hates. attack by analogy. Buzzword I am dissing will find some uses among people I secretly envy, but for the needs of (me) typical application developers, language gurus would do better to write something I can understand. My paper is important, pay me $50/page to read it.

  2. I like GOTO! by Wabbit+Wabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At the risk of being modded troll, nuking my karma, being yelled at, laughed at, and otherwise folded, spindled, and mutilated, I'm gonna say it:

    I like GOTOs. GOTO has it's place. Even in C++. Sorry all you purists, but there are times when it just plain works.


    *runs and puts on Chinese wicker fighting suit and hides, trembling, behind a flame-retardant wall*

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    1. Re:I like GOTO! by Keeper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gotos in C++ are limited to the same method, so no stack problems there.

      Exceptions incur an obscene performance hit, and should be used for 'exceptional' conditions and not expected/handled errors. You also have to worry about the case where someone else adds another exception handler that inadvertantly 'catches' your thrown exception (which makes for maintainance problems later down the road).

    2. Re:I like GOTO! by evvk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The example was in __plain C__. And besides, exceptions are worthless in a non-garbage collected language. (Ugly kludges in C++ don't count as proper GC.) You have to catch them at every point to free stuff, and the nested structures become even uglier than gotos.

    3. Re:I like GOTO! by Pete · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ur comment Callbacks are everywhere in C++ although these days gives an impression as if, callbacks are part of standard C++ way.

      Well, callbacks are a fairly straightforward concept. They're most commonly used in things like GUI programming, where you do a lot of (asynchronous) event handling.

      But more generally, callbacks are just a very specific example of functional programming, which is just another style of programming that emphasises functions as first-class elements. And because C++ supports several programming paradigms, you can do object-oriented programming, functional programming and/or generic programming - often all at the same time.

      Just like in Perl, there's more than one way to do it. And there isn't any one "correct" way - whatever gets the job done is fine.

      If u r aware, OOP was first implemented on pascal (rather than C).

      No.

      Object-oriented programming is widely recognised as first being implemented on a language called Simula in the 1960s. 1962 to be precise - for Simula I - though Bjarne Stroustrup based C++ most closely on the OO concepts in Simula 67 (1967).

      Pascal was first implemented in 1970, though the original Pascal didn't support object-oriented programming.

      And Pascal had inherent capability, while C++ did not.

      I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Most implementations of Pascal don't support object-oriented programming at all, much less have "inherent capability". Those implementations that do support OO-style programming usually aren't called Pascal - eg. Delphi, Oberon, Modula-2.

      I could go with the list of many things. For example: C++ did not provide any mechanism to identify whether this object is instance of *THAT CLASS*.

      You're using your terminology confusingly here, so it's difficult to work out exactly what you're saying. But I can say that I've only seen a few occasions where it'd be useful to work out if Base* p is actually pointing at a Derived object, and usually those cases arise when you've started out with a bad design or bad logic. Usually the whole point of having a (pointer-to) Base is that you're supposed to rely on using Base functionality. You're not supposed to care if it might actually be a Derived, the only thing that should matter is that it is substitutable-for a Base. If you need to access Derived functionality, you should have a Derived.

      But anyway, in those cases where you're dealing with someone else's badly designed code, a dynamic_cast should be enough to get around it. Take your Base* and try to dynamic_cast it to a Derived* - if that fails, you haven't got a valid pointer-to-Derived. Go find the person that built the code you're using and kick them. Hard. :-)

  3. Buy this document? 249.00??? by the-build-chicken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Two fifty to hear some twat tell you that a new technology is good, but only in the right circumstances used by trained people.

    What bollocks.

    Do any CIOs still buy this crap? Do the sensationalist headlines do the job and actually sell this bs? "AOP considered harmful"...be afraid...be very afraid!

    I personally don't have a week go by when we don't find another great use for AOP...and we write financial apps...so that blows his 'frameworks only' theory out of the water.

    But I suppose "AOP, useful sometimes in the right circumstances if you make sure you train your people on how to use it, not so useful in others" doesn't exactly sell those $250 a pop articles, does it Carl

  4. Re:For those unfamiliar with AOP by starling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any program has principled points (join points) where programmers can identify and modify the program semantics. In AOP, programmers specify join points using a language feature called a pointcut, and specify the behavior to join those points by using advice such as methods or functions. Some variants of AOP allow programmers to extend the types in the system. These features enable aspects to implement behavior for concerns that crosscut the core concern of the application.

    Excuse me, but was that supposed to mean something?

  5. Re:For those unfamiliar with AOP by Keeper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's say you've got objects a, b, and c.

    Objects a and b do something useful (the core of the application)

    Object c (an aspect) wants to perform an operation when something happens in object a (a concern).

    Object c (an asepct) also wants to do different things when something happens in object a and b (crosscutting a concern).

    I look at this as a really complicated event notification system. Comments calling this 'goto for OOP' also seems rather appropriate.

  6. Side effects++ by evvk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bad thing about AOP is that it adds lots of side effects to function calls and can thus make the program very hard to reason about. This is completely orthogonal to (purely) functional programming that intends to remove side effects thus making it easier to reason about programs.

    Functional programming: f(1) == f(1) always, with no other effects to "global state" etc.

    Imperative programming without AOP: f(1) != f(1) necessarily at every point of the code, as the function can access globals. It can also change the global state, so its effect is more than returning its value; it can have side effets.

    Imperative programming with AOP: Same as above, plus the side effects may happen somewhere unrelated to the definition of f itself.

  7. Re:AOP?! by sv0f · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OP is not specific to Java -- I've seen it done with Python

    And it was invented by Kizcales working in Common Lisp. For example, see this brief history.

    Those [like the grandparent] who do not know history...

  8. Forrester is just another clueless IT consultancy by tyates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big IT consultancies like Forrestor, Meta, gartner, etc are intellectually bankrupt. If you want an example, read the free article off of Forrestor's web page on IT metrics. It's absolutely worthless. Believe it not, it says that you should evaluate your IT department based on a balanced scorecard that is calculated by, among other things, the number of steering commitee meetings you have. Yes, you read that right, the more meetings the better your department is.
    These consultancies ran out of ideas a long time ago, and are trying to turn IT ito some Six Sigma pseudo-science. It doesn't work, but idiots still buy into it because it sounds impressive.

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    Tristan Yates
  9. Re:Oh gee by Bodrius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, the problem with GOTO is that, as a consequence of being an unstructured flow control change, it makes it impossible to trust your reasoning about code because it destroys your ability to scope it.

    To quote: "... it becomes terribly hard to find a meaningful set of coordinates in which to describe the process progress ..."

    I think Dijkstra's point was that any construct that does this is harmful.

    Structured constructs are typically less liable to do this, but only because they are visible and the structure is known.

    AOP does have the ability to inject arbitrary code in your function that can change its semantics and you cannot see this when reading the affected code.

    No matter how structured that change is, its invisibility makes it impossible to fully understand your code from the source code without 'weaving in' all the aspects explicitly. Like GOTO, it destroys your ability to scope your reasoning of the code to the local view.

    As much as I love AOP for a class of problems, this is a very valid concern that needs to be addressed.

    It's certainly not the first language featureset that faces this problem; OOP can deal with its own issues with design by contract, either through documented best practices or by enforcing it in the language. I haven't seen much in AOP there, beyond the absence of problematic examples (which would typically come from real-world use).

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  10. Re:Of course by drsquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, assembly is hardly a language that encourages large, well-organised programming projects, so you've pretty much supported his point.

  11. Re:For those unfamiliar with AOP by mysticgoat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better example might be a computerized patient record system (CPRS).

    In a CPRS, it is clear that the core concerns involve information related to the patient's health. However if the institution is going to stay in business, there is a strong secondary concern with regard to diagnosis and treatment costs, billing, and so on. Obviously a healthy hospital has to deal with both of these.

    AOP's promise in this situation is to allow these two mission-critical concerns to be temporarily divorced from each other, so that in a medical emergency the patient will get the treatment he needs in a timely way, without doctors and nurses having to deal with billing and cost issues (Clippy: "It looks like you want to defibrillate the patient. Would you like me to compare the costs of alternate treatment modalities?")

    I've not run into this "AOP" thingee before. My impression is that the problems it is supposed to solve would be better approached by a change in the object hierarchy-- that its use would be sort of like adding epicycles to epicycles when a Copernican revolution is really needed. In the CPRS example, rather than having a PATIENT object with healthcare and billing concerns, it might work better to have TREATMENT and BILLING objects that were separate components of the PATIENT object.

    I'm not convinced that the problems AOP is intended to solve couldn't be finessed by refactoring into a different hierarchy of objects.

  12. Re:Of course by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For example, C has break, continue, and the closing squiggles of for and while statements.

    But all of those statements are used in the context of some logical block, and in some sense "operate" on that block. GOTO is/does not - in C/C++, at least, the only restriction is that you must GOTO a label that's in scope at the time.

    "High" level languages makes programmers not as aware as they should be when they're moving a different value into the instruction pointer,

    High level languages also relieve the programmer of the need of thinking about things like stack frames, heap management, and register usage. A programmer should in a general sense understand how these things work, but there doesn't need to be a constant awareness of those factors, because the compiler is designed to take care of them instead. Programmers working on hardcore optimization might have an interest in those low-level details, but a good optimizing compiler will take care of most of that before the programmer even starts to think about optimization.

    The point in my original comment was that, in assembler, not using JMP reminds one of, "You can't get very far in life without saying 'is'". But the last time I've needed a GOTO was when I was a teenager naively programming in BASIC on my old C-64.