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The Institute for Backup Trauma

fief writes "John Cleese explains why tape based backup solutions will drive a manager insane in a viral marketing bit for Live Vault. (flash required) Produced by the Captains of Industry. Links provided via AdRants" Barely an ad, mostly just hilarious. Also contains Michael Dorn. Use as directed.

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  1. Mentioned in the LangaList by Ciaran_H · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw this when it was mentioned on the LangaList a few weeks ago. Very funny, in my opinion, and it's good to see that this company doesn't take itself *too* seriously.

    It's probably safe to say I'll remember them, so from a marketing point of view it would be a success.

  2. Missing Something.. by lw54 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If only they had hired Ron Jeremy

  3. And now for something completely crappy by SYFer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mod this video -1 unfunny. Even though it is usually a pleasure to see Cleese, even he can't breath life into this clinker. The only positive thing I can say is that it had nice production values. I want my seven minutes back. That earlier story about electrically-assisted microbial fuel cells that can be used to produce hydrogen from organic material was a knee-slapper by comparison.

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    1. Re:And now for something completely crappy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're being a bit harsh. It wasn't laugh-out-loud funny, but it was amusing. The only point I take issue with is that they really are not clear about what the alternative is supposed to be. They just keep waxing on and on and on about how horrible tapes are. I kept waiting for them to say something about network storage or some new optical media. It's almost like they're afraid they'll make fun of the solution as well.

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    2. Re:And now for something completely crappy by SYFer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What can I say? I'm a harsher judge of marketing pieces generally. Lines like the boss saying he'd "fire your family... and your ancestors" just seemed like flat writing to me. If you're gonna have a major comedic god like John Cleese in the mix, you should make sure the writing is up to it. I clicked in and absorbed the marketing message, so I've upheld my end and that's my opinion. Those who disagree can take solace in the fact that my harsh opinion has been modded safely out of view as a "troll."

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    3. Re:And now for something completely crappy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those who disagree can take solace in the fact that my harsh opinion has been modded safely out of view as a "troll."

      Well that's rather rude. Mods, please correct the great-grandparent's modding. "Troll" is only appropriate when someone is actually trolling. Same with "flamebait". Overrated may be used to bounce someone back to +1 if they yell too much, but it should never be used to push them below that. And if you just disagree with the poster, then you should just leave it alone.

      Thank you. :-)

    4. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do realize that the whole, "Fire your ancestors" thing was a gag based on Michael Dorn, aka Worf, delivering the line, doncha?

      It wasn't flat writing, you just didn't get the joke.

    5. Re:And now for something completely crappy by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hello. Let me welcome you to Slashdot - I can see you are new here.

      You see, you fatally misunderstand the meaning of the moderation values. It's an easy mistake for somebody new here to make, as the "guidelines" are misleading.

      The real meanings of the moderations are:
      Insightful "Him say things me not understand - him smart!" Informative "Him put link in post!" Interesting "Me agree with him!" Underrated "Me agree with him, but me afraid of metamods!" Troll "YOU RONG! YOU SUCK!" Flamebait (see Troll) Offtopic "Me not like your response to me post about thing not in story." Overrated "YOU RONG! but me afraid of metamods!"

      Remember, the rules here are very simple (as are most of the users):
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      • Stealing from big business is GOOD and INSIGHTFUL.
      • Stealing from Free Software is BAD and WRONG and FLAMEBAIT.

  4. One problem... by nxtr · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it's a credible institution, where's the machine that goes 'bing'?

  5. Moderation by lordsilence · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Moderation +4
    70% Funny
    20% Overrated
    10% Slashvertisment

    1. Re:Moderation by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's interesting, who gives a flying fuck?

      "Oh, no, this wasn't reported by a dis-interested 3rd party. I'm gonna bitch about it."

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    2. Re:Moderation by bergeron76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot: .28 % Blood Alcohol Level of "Zonk" at the time of posting this article.

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  6. Institute for /. server trauma... by saskboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have an idea for his next sketch, and it involves a smoking server, that features a flash animation, and less than NASA-like bandwidth available to it...

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    1. Re:Institute for /. server trauma... by nstrom · · Score: 4, Informative

      The nyud.net mirror seems to be holding up for me at least.

  7. John Cleese in IT? by datafr0g · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's gotta involve spam.... spam... spam, spam, spam

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  8. Re:meh by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I enjoyed the part where their backups failed because the guy who had them drove off of a cliff, we all know that is a problem with a tape backup.

    Only in our American cars, which we know (from Hollywood) have a tendency to blow up without fail in a massive fireball as soon as they leave the road.

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    Indy Media Watch-Proctologist of the Internet

  9. It's Decent by Adrilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    But it'll never be as good as getting perpendicular

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  10. Insanity by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 4, Funny

    John Cleese explains why tape based backup solutions will drive a manager insane

    In the next episode, he explains why Slashdotted marketing solutions will drive a network manager to suicide.

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  11. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by KingEomer · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the problem lays more with the server than with your connection. The speed at which you download is limited to the slowest component of the network; if the server has been /.ed, regardless of your connection speed, you will download slowly.

    Mind you, you are probably right about the file being too big. If it weren't that big, the server might not have been overwhelmed.

  12. That's my uncle's company! (Captains of Industry) by PowerMacG4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No joke. His previous company was called Fred and Ted Entertainment, which made similar videos that can be found at http://www.fredandted.com

    Their whole skit about "Ambulatory Mortosis" is one of their funniest.
    http://www.fredandted.com/Mortosis/index.html

    Congrats, Fred. You made Slashdot's front page. Now let's see if your servers can take the slashdotting...

  13. *sigh* by sn0wflake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why's it streaming video *sigh*? I guess it's because of advertising and stuff but streaming video sucks! Can't stream properly when slashdottet, can't email to friends, can't save to harddisk. For all you (other) webmonkeys, here's a word of advice; make a non-streamable version so more people will enjoy this (perhaps) fine video.

    Your sincerely
    An unsatisfied 4 MB Internet user.

    1. Re:*sigh* by erikharrison · · Score: 4, Informative

      ACtually, it doesn't appear to be a stream at all. Saving the FLV should give you the entire video. The video is embedded in a set of flash controls for said video, and like any other flash movie you've seen it can start before the download is complete, and moniter it's own download status.

      FLV is essentially MPEG-4 in a flash container, and the flash controls offer no signifigant overhead, so offering a "downloadable" version wouldn't even give you any real difference in terms of download size.

  14. The real trauma. . . by Bastian · · Score: 4, Funny

    . . . is when I open a website in a new tab, and the site resizes my whole FireFox window.

    All for a $@#% Flash site, too.

    At least it doesn't use frames, I guess.

    1. Re:The real trauma. . . by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tools-->Options-->Go to the "Advanced" button next to where it says "Enable Javascript"-->Deselect "Move or resize existing windows".

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  15. For your convenience by Kev+Vance · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:For your convenience by Kev+Vance · · Score: 3, Informative

      The latest version of MPlayer (1.0pre7) can play Flash videos. 1.0pre7 is pretty recent so depending on how quick Ubuntu is, there may be a binary package available now.

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  16. Useful for educating PHBs, perhaps ... by rewinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I like about this is its appeal to non-technical staff, especially clueless decisionmakers who feel secure in their data because someone sold them a backup system ("Don't worry, it's fully automatic!")

    Yes, the video is an advertizement for a firm selling a product, but who else would be motivated to create something that is both educational and funny enough to let issues be discussed in a non-threatening way?

    No-one, especially PHBs, wants to admit that all the money they spent on a backup system can easily be brought to naught, so you have to ease them into the concept. This might help.

  17. How the hell did they get by iammaxus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    John Cleese to do this video? I know the answer, money, but this is definitley strange. When was the last time you saw a celebrity like this involved in promoting some obscure IT product?

    1. Re:How the hell did they get by bscott · · Score: 3, Funny

      To quote (as best I can) Eric Idle:
      "John Cleese used to say he'd do anything for money, so I offered him a pound to shut up. He took it."

      At one time or another in his life, he's done just about everything - movies, TV, books, stage performances, the list goes on - brilliantly. As much as I'd like to see him chained to a desk and forced to write more of my favorite stuff, I think he's earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants for a quid... even crap movies like this.

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    2. Re:How the hell did they get by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, he's been known to do totally inside-audience industrial training videos, too. Stuff we'll never get to see. I think he just likes Being John Cleese, Explaining Stuff. I we love him when he does, so what's not to like.

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  18. The text in the 'hidden frame' by parking_god · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because I *am* the kind of person who annoys those around me by shouting out continuity errors in theaters, here's what was in the hidden frame of the Clockwork Orange-like training video:

    Congratulations
    You have found the hidden frame. If you have time to look for things
    like this, you have way too much time on your hands. You are
    probably the kind of person who watches movies just to look for
    continuity issues, shouting out, "Hey, that guy in the background is
    wearing a different pair of cufflinks than he did two seconds ago!"
    - as if anyone else cares. You tend to dream up elaborate conspiracy
    theories that involve movie stars, politicians, and the logos of certain
    brands of cereal. You used to stuff grasshoppers into soda bottles
    and bury them in the playground during recess just to see how long
    they survived without oxygen. You should definitely seek professional
    help of some kind even before you check in to the
    Institute for Backup Trauma.

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  19. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by vwjeff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although not commercial, here is what I do.

    I live in Wisconsin and a friend of mine lives in Nevada. He has a broadband connection and so do I. My home server has 2x200 GB hard drives mirrored. His server also has 2x200 GB hard drives mirrored. I can use half the space for my data on both servers and he can use the other half. Every other day at 3am, my server rsyncs over ssh to his. The same occurs every other day when his rsyncs with my server.

    We do a full tape backup every week on Saturday and incremental backups every day. I take the full backups to my safe deposit box at the bank.

    I guess what I am saying is that if any of your friends or family have a broadband connection, ask if you can use it for backup. Offer them storage space for backup or money to house a Linux box you can use as offsite backup.

    If your data is extremely important, make sure you encrypt it. One time my friend thought he dropped a tape in a parking lot. I was conserned for weeks until he found the tape under the seat of his car. I learned my lesson and now encrypt everything that is important to me.

  20. Thank you by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear PowerMacG4:

    I found the informational video on ambulatory mortosis to be quite traumatic as I realized the dramatized symptoms correspond to the symtpoms my wife has been having for last five years.

    Of course, I am also relieved as this explains why it has been so difficult to bring her to orgasm. For a while, I was starting to question my manliness. I suppose once Prudential pays my life insurance claim, I'll go to Vegas with my new girlfriend to forget those 5 lost years.

    Thanks, PowerMacG4. I owe you.

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  21. By our powers combined... [Re:Institute ] by Qubit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Combining Kev Vance's comment about a direct link to the movie and nstrom's comment about using the Nyud.net mirror, I give you a high-bandwidth direct link:

    http://www.backuptrauma.com.nyud.net:8090/video/FL V/LVCleese_LG.flv

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  22. Old School Training Films by Basehart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember in the late 70's in England my Father coming back from some training course or other raving about the films they had been shown starring John Cleese, and he was always hyped on the fact that Cleese actually made people learn through laughter. I can't remember specifics but Dad worked for Thorne EMI who were in the Security business.

  23. Direct Link Mirror by TPS+Report · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thanks for the direct link, Kev. Their server seems to be extremely slow right now, so I'd suggest using the Coral Mirror of the file.

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  24. Actually, it pisses me off by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I watched the video and even signed up for the FREE poster they offered, which they NEVER sent me!!!! I wonder if my working for a competitor had something to do with that?

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  25. Irony by TrippTDF · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just realized that as I'm reading this thread, I'm sitting on two days worth of backup tapes.

  26. Clockwork Orange? by Kappelmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, sir, that was a series of clips from a much more famous movie. It's mostly famous within film geek circles, though, so I took it as something of an in-joke. You see the famous baby-carriage-falling-down-steps scene spoofed all over, like in The Untouchables and Brazil (directed by fellow Pythoner Terry Gilliam). And there's this one close-up of maggot-infested meat that reminds me of the high-resolution gross-out insets in old Ren & Stimpy cartoons. (There goes the rest of my hyphen allowance.)

    BTW, the original was silent, and I don't think Beethoven's 9th was what Eisenstein had in mind!

  27. Re:Any alternatives? by ewtrowbr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Me. I am the competitor. lol. $ grep /backup /etc/fstab /dev/hdb1 /backup ext3 noatime 0 0 /dev/hdb2 /backup/archive ext3 noatime 0 0 $ grep /backup /etc/fstab /dev/hdb1 /backup ext3 noatime 0 0 /dev/hdb2 /backup/archive ext3 noatime 0 0 $ grep fri /etc/crontab 1 23 * * mon,tue,wed,thr,fri root /usr/sbin/backup_home 50 23 * * mon,tue,web,thr,fri root /usr/sbin/scrub_backups 30 23 * * fri root cp /backup/`date -I`.tar.bz /backup/archive $ cat /usr/sbin/backup_home #/bin/sh DATE=`date -I` BACKUP_DIR=/backup/ /bin/tar cvf $BACKUP_DIR$DATE.tar /home /bin/bzip2 $BACKUP_DIR$DATE.tar exit 0 ewtrowbr@adfleet-svr Avails Reports $ cat /usr/sbin/scrub_backups #!/bin/bash REMFILE=`ls -t1 /backup/*.bz2 | sed -e '1,5d'` for FILE in $REMFILE ; do rm -f /backup/$FILE; done; exit 0

  28. He did one for a company I worked for years ago. by fugusama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think he has a nice little side business doing this. Our president was a Brit and the company had british roots so it seemed to make sense to hire him when we went through a name change. The way its told is they cooked up the rough script and then had him come up from LA in the afternoon. He rolled in, meet everyone, and then sat down, looked at the script and told them its was (insert fav brit slang here). He asked if he could take it back to the hotel to work on it a bit. He then came back the next day with the new script and they shot it in an afternoon. Word has it he got 50 grand for that. Nice bit of change for the work if you can get it.

  29. Tape is better than disk.... by menscher · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Let's see... disks can be taken out by vibration, electric shock, or just by exceeding their shelf life. Failures can be from the drive electronics, the drive motor, a head crash, or simply getting unfiltered air in the drive. Life expectancy is 5 years if you get high-quality drives. They are typically kept online, which means they spend 100% of their lifetime vulnerable to threats from intruders, mistakes, and power surges.

    On the other hand, tape has NONE of these flaws. Even if your tape drive explodes in a fireball from a lightning strike, the tapes will be fine, and can be read in another drive.

    And yet here's a company trying to encourage people to migrate away from tape backups? Yes, they have a good offering -- remote backups. But that can (and should) be done with tape (possibly to disk first, but with a second copy on tape or other offline media).

    Sorry to make the only on-topic post in the entire story, but I just couldn't handle the FUD.

    1. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative
      Let's see... disks can be taken out by vibration, electric shock, or just by exceeding their shelf life.

      When you "take out" a HDD by electric shock, you need to replace a component on it to get it working again. When you "take out" a tape by electric shock, the data is gone, and you might not be able to use the tape ever again. Tapes really should be enclosed in metal casings like drives are...

      Life expectancy is 5 years if you get high-quality drives.

      No, no, that is only the online life expectancy. Try re-writing a tape constantly for 5 years straight and see how long it lasts. If you store a hard drive like you store a tape, it can last a very long time.

      If you keep them online, the lifetime of an individual drive doesn't matter one damn bit, because when one goes bad, you swap it out, data is restored, and there's no problem... When an important tape goes bad, you're not in good shape.

      Hard drives are MUCH easier to check for problems (even if normally offline) which would alert you to data-loss much sooner.

      The biggest thing hard drives have going for them, IMHO, is price. No need to buy a $30000 drive, and the per-GB cost of hard drives is close to tape as well.
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  30. Worked for me by legLess · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the scariest moments of my life was formatting my company's 150GB Netware server. It died early one Monday morning: power supply and two disks in the RAID just vaporized. The UPS, mysteriously, was fine. This was a 60-person architecture office; architecture's nearly all electronic these days, so that server *was* the company.

    I put in new drives and restored from the previous Friday's tape. One guy had done some work on Saturday, which he lost, but everything else was perfect. Numerous times I've gone back to a tape from months previously (grandfather-father-son scheme) to get one or two files, and I've never had one failure. So personally, I'm a big believer in tapes.

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  31. Computer Associates and LiveVault by BcNexus · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to LiveVault's website and some Google research, LiveVault is in no way owned by CA (Computer Associates).
    No offense, but where did you get that idea?

  32. Re:*sigh* SOLVED by Fussen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a little tip I know.

    Now I'm on windows, but I use firefox so we should have a base to work with.

    if you go to the address bar and type "about:cache" AFTER you've visted the site with the flash movie, it will show up in your cache index.

    I've tried it, and not only did I find the SWF, but firefox also cached the link to the FLV file.

    Typing in the FLV or trying to "save as" didn't work initially, so I created a simple html doc with 1 href to the link, and now I'm downloading the 26 meg FLV.

    Ah look, it's done. Cheers :)

    TIP: If you see "LVCleese_LG.flv" you're on the right track.