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BountyQuest CEO Patenting Lighting Toilet Water

theodp writes "Charles Cella, CEO of the widely-hyped Jeff Bezos and Tim O'Reilly funded patent reform vehicle BountyQuest, has filed for a number of patents since BountyQuest's demise, including one that covers illuminating water in a toilet bowl (see FIG. 7). Cella's co-inventors include principals of Color Kinetics, which has come under fire for strong-arm patent tactics and whose Board colorfully likens its IP to nuclear weapons."

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  1. Full of shit by Nazi+Pope · · Score: 4, Informative

    This guy is full of
    shit


    Have a read down the list below. If this patent is granted, we will all be
    taking dumps in the dark.


    The items in question:


    57. A method of providing illumination for a toilet, comprising: providing a
    light system with a plurality of LEDs and a processor for controlling a color of
    light from the LEDs; and disposing the light system in connection with a toilet.

    58. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
    it on the seat of the toilet.

    59. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
    it in the toilet bowl.

    60. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
    it in a rack above the toilet bowl.

    61. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
    it in connection with an odor control facility.

    62. A system for providing illumination for a toilet, comprising: a light system
    with a plurality of LEDs and a processor for controlling a color of light from
    the LEDs; and a toilet, wherein the light system is disposed to illuminate a
    portion of the toilet.

    63. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed on the seat of
    the toilet.

    64. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed in the toilet
    bowl.

    65. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed in a rack above
    the toilet bowl.

    66. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed in connection
    with an odor control facility.


    1. Re:Full of shit by Robotz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wouldn't this toilet seat count as prior art? http://www.kiss-textil.de/galactikaen.htm

  2. K***** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just try patenting the illumination of plumbing fixtures. I work for a lighting company. One of our main clients is a plumbing fixture manufacturer whose name begins with K.

    We light commodes, suanas, showers, baths, and faucets all day long, and we won't stop anytime soon.

    See you at the National Homebuilders Show.

    (FYI, colors you will never see in our displays illuminating commodes or tubs: yellow or red. Think about it.)

  3. Prior art device to create lighted target in bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It attached to the seat lid and shined a light into the bowl to provide a "lights out" target for stand-up pee-ers to aim at.

    I saw this at least 5 years ago.

    Also, Japan is so far ahead of the US for toliet automation -they haves seats/toliets that have lights, sprayed perfumes, measure blood pressure, urine sugar, fecal blood, spray water on your ass after you're done, etc, etc, etc.

  4. Color Kinetics patent issues by GodBlessTexas · · Score: 3, Informative

    It looks as if Color Kinetics is about to have much, if not all, of their IP portfolio ruled invalid because of a plethora of existing prior art from as far back as the 1970's. All of this has come to light (no pun intended) after their lawsuit with Super Vision International. With that in mind, I don't now how to take this one. Is this a stupid patent that just injures Color Kinetics IP case more, or are they serious? Wouldn't the existing LED based technology that is used to illuminate pools be considered prior art, i.e. the Boca Flash products?

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  5. A bit about multi-color LED lighting by maggard · · Score: 4, Informative
    For those out of the loop on this...

    LEDs emit light, directly or indirectly, only on a few narrow wavelengths. Therefore unless you're looking for just those few colors you're going to have to do mixing of multiple LEDs to get intermediate shades.

    Complicating things further is that not all wavelengths are emitted equally strongly, and also that the human eye doesn't perceive all color equally strongly. This isn't a case of RGB, or CMY, it's a few off-variations of differing intensities.

    Therefore to produce a specific shade, say Corporate Logo Color, Pantone #22578, isn't a no-brainer. The same is true for visually smoothly fading from shade to shade, it's not just a matter of turning down Bank A and turning up Bank B. Instead some calculations need to take place to make it all look decent, and that is the space where Color Kinetics has got their patents.

    BTW, for those interested, Color Kinetics makes a home product series, "Sauce". These are night-lights & light bulb replacements that can be set to strobe, flicker, cross-fade in different ranges, etc. They're pricey at US $10-20, are available at many toy stores, and tend to crap out after a year or two of use (the blue goes.)

    I use mine in my bathroom as a ever cross-fading night light, also set to one shade or another on on an empty white living room wall to 'punch it up'. I've friends who use their's for mood lighting in their bedroom.

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    1. Re:A bit about multi-color LED lighting by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Somebody at the patent office didn't see prior art on this. One of the electronics home experimenter magazines decades ago had a construction article with PWM-modulated LEDs for lighting control. Certainly earlier than the ten years ago the inventors claimed they started playing with LEDs in college.

  6. Re:Prior Art by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is valid prior art only if you published your research into peeing into the pool in a renowned and accesible publication on sanitation.

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  7. Re:WTF, third post marked redundant??? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Probably because the "patent on patents" joke appears in every single patent discussion. Redundancy isn't limited to submission.

    I also expect to see lots of "I patent using patents to get licensing fees". Always funny.

  8. Interesting Colr Kinetics LED patent history by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Color Kinetics has a long history of overly broad patent schemes. Some were so bad that a their competitors in the LED lighting field were forced to form an alliance to combat the CK's over-reaching patent strategies.

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  9. Sovereign immunity by redelm · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sorry, won't work. The US Federal government has the right to use any patent it wishes, royalty-free.

    Lawyers & politicians haven't been doing much new and innovative that might be stopped by patent. That's one of their many problems.

  10. Re:Here we go again by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    perhaps instead of small ip hoarding companies such as eolas suing microsoft, they should go after their customers - the US government. This would be much better for all involved (except microsoft, who it would hurt the same, prehaps more). hopefully the us goverment would get off their arse and get rid of software patents and supid patents in other fields.

  11. Real Prior Art by ABaumann · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://inventionshowcase.com/jlhome.htm

  12. Myth: Busted by don_carnage · · Score: 2, Informative

    Err...Mythbusters busted that myth. See the "Peeing on the third rail" episode. Apprarently, the urine stream is not solid, but rather made up of droplets after a certain distance. Informative!

    1. Re:Myth: Busted by don_carnage · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was another episode in which they followed-up on that "third rail" experiment using Adam as the test dummy. Hilarity ensued. He actually did get shocked by the electric fence, but then he was inches from it.