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The Grumpy Groundhog - Ubuntu for Developers
**loki969** writes "Ubuntu is planing a "cutting edge"-distro, 'The Grumpy Groundhog', which will be aimed explicitly at developers. Here is a quote from their site: 'Upstream development in the open source world moves at a tremendous pace. Many developers like to keep up to date with specific upstream products, but the work involved in building from CVS every day is substantial. With The Grumpy Groundhog Project, Ubuntu provides those developers with a ready source of packages containing the latest upstream code. '"
Uh oh. If Hoary is a rough equivalent of Debian Experimental, then the developer-only Grumpy is...?
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Maybe your patch would have a positive impact; maybe not. Maybe it would break something completely. The only way to tell is lengthy testing and QA. Some people won't want to use your patch until all the dust has settled, while others will want to try it out right away. Grumpy Groundhog is for the second group.
Forks are not always bad when you have two sets of users with totally different needs.
I don't see this as a fork, particularly, as it is intended solely to aid the development process e.g. not to compete with (K)Ubuntu.
no, the next release is Breezy Badger... Grumpy Groundhog is not intended for release. It is in the same situation as Debian's Sid... a perpetual testing ground.
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
Why not?
After all, its not the distro's name that matters, its what you can do with it.
If its good names you are after, go and play with Tao Linux. Else, don't rush and judge an OS before you know the first thing about it.
Exactly what I was thinking. Only...y'know, more fun (in the sarcastic sense).
Finally, a truly unstable Debian package repository that really is on the bleeding edge. Tried Debian Experimental, wasn't too impressed by the lameness.
Haec merda tauri est. Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
I'm using Ubuntu right now as I type this. I think that if Ubuntu keeps growing at this rate, it will cause some other distros to die off. That's good because if the linux community is less divided among different distros, we won't be reinventing the wheel as much.
It doesn't look like it's intended for anyone to run an entire system on but for people to pick specific packages out of. It lets package maintainers know about problems ahead of time and it lets those who want to be early adopters run the 0-day version & contribute bug reports. What's wrong with a few more people testing code?
my sig's at the bottom of the page.
it is not like they need to sell it. it is meant for developers, and i doubt, that they give a f$ck, what the distro is called, as long as it serves its purpose. i actually think, it doesn't really matter.
btw, the libranet articel only got 15 posts in 4 days! i guess, they really need to change their name now. ;)
What's next Frantic Ferret or Floppy Frog..
..........FULL STOP.
Uh. What?
I majored in English. I'd like to think that I'm aware of "the rudiments of communication".
So, I'd be interested in what you'd propose. Instead of "Grumpy Groundhog", would you prefer, say, "Electric Tornado Linux!" or "Silver Bullet Train Linux!!" or "Kung Fu Fists of Fury Linux!!!"? Maybe you were leaning more in the direction of "Ultra Rainbow Happy Linux of Most Excellentnessestness".
Or, perhaps, you're more in the made-up names camp: "Xinux", "Lazernix", "Mythix", "Dystro", "Majickx", or "UzerGlow". These, certainly, are more exciting than "Mepis", "Xandros", or the disaster that is "Mandriva".
Dude, personally, if I came across a distro called "Salma Hayek's Breasts Linux", I would use that in preference to anything else on the basis of the name alone. So, yeah, I agree, names have power.
In the spirit of that revelation I will immediately be uninstalling Mozilla, The Gimp, and all of my many Python libraries which have never gotten the "Py" + "Whatever-it-does" naming convention.
On a final note, I do agree with you to a point. It would be nice if developers paid a *little* more attention to names. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, bud.
Me? I happen to like "Grumpy Groundhog".
You? You are one.
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So it's just sid? The way some of the media have described it as being a totally innovative idea, had me thinking maybe there was a difference...
Will these be bloated unoptimized debug builds? Or small optimized builds?
Ubuntu: Linux for human beings.
i.e.: They have names that make immediate sense, and are approachable.
You can see a grandmother over tea saying, "Ooh, I just upgraded from Warty Warthog to Hoary Hedgehog. It's much nicer. Do you want to see some pictures of my grandkids? I just had Charles upload them."
They rhyme, so are easy to remember. They are animals, and thus easy to remember and less frightening then MegaMachinaL33nux. The entire idea of ubuntu is to make complex computers part of a regular human existence, to put some actual DESIGN into linux, rather then bells and whistles. Yeah, some people hate the default theme, but it is very approachable and very non-intimidating. Calling the devel version "Grumpy" also creates a sense of "Maybe I should avoid that one and use the Hedgehoggy one."
Simple, intuitive, Ubuntu.
Nothing's wrong with more people testing code. It's something I'd like to do more of, honestly. I like fixing the problems and flying by the seat of my pants. My friends called me crazy when I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list file to read for Breezy the day they opened it.
Of course, numquam negavi me insanum esse, but at the same time, it's the kind of thing that makes me cackle with glee.
Haec merda tauri est. Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Perhaps nobody's told you of Lesbian GNU/Linux. Same idea as Debian, but uses the command "porn-get" to install programs/pr0n.
Of course, there's also LinuXXX, which, oddly enough, is Ubuntu-based.
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Is Ubuntu appropriate for use on servers (their website claims so, but I'd like to hear from others)? It has a server install that I've heard works well (it is the minimal install). If so, what are its advantages over say, Centos 4.0 or Debian Sarge? Well, it has a release unlike Sarge (and has a few newer packages). And if you need them there are many more debs that CentOS has RPMs...
Open Source Sushi
Ubuntu is fine. "Grumpy Groundhog" is not. Not if you want to attract new users.
Choosing a bad name is self-defeating, pure and simple.
It's Breezy Badger!
Simple, intuitive, Ubuntu.
:)
Well, different worlds I'd say. I never in my life would've thought about Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger or Grumpy Groundhog as simple, nor intuitive. I think whoever thinks these names out is just in an urging need of a good kilolitre of fine ale and a good sleep.
Well, I might not be quite objective her e:) but I really like Sid, Woody and Sarge
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
Ahem, just one quick: if this is an article on Ubuntu, then why is there the Debian logo beside the title ?
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
Your position is just not how the world works.
Anti-African?????