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The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design

Mime Narrator writes "An article over at Kuro5hin discusses the controvery over the Intelligent Design movement. The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring that high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the origins of life time and time again, is flawed, and that intelligent design is a valid alternative. The ACLU, along with the AUSCS (Americans United for the Separation of Church and State), and 11 parents, are suing the school board, accusing the board of violating the separation of church and state. "

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  1. Next by Hemos: Man Travels by Train! by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Funny
    C'mon, first "Load List Values for Improved Efficiency", now "Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design" (strikes again, yawn)?

    What next? "Serious Doubts About Pyramid Schemes"? "Scientist Uses Paper to Wipe Ass"?

    1. Re:Next by Hemos: Man Travels by Train! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Scientist Uses Paper to Wipe Ass"

      Paper? What the hell am I doing with these three seashells then?

    2. Re:Next by Hemos: Man Travels by Train! by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

      It could be worse. We could be reading "Slashdot: Postmodernism for Derridaists. Neotextual desitutationalism that subcontextualizes"

    3. Re:Next by Hemos: Man Travels by Train! by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's probably because the content of this forum is contextualised into a capitalist paradigm of context that includes language as a reality.

      I mean really, what can you do?

  2. Proof by Apreche · · Score: 4, Funny

    No intelligent designer or engineer would put a waste pipe across a recreation area.

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    1. Re:Proof by redwards · · Score: 1, Funny

      Unless the pipe doubled as a recreation area! Brilliant. I can't wait to tell my girlfriend.

    2. Re:Proof by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      A programmer, on the other hand, would leave the waste pipe out since nobody checks return values anyway. This proves that not only was humanity designed by coders, but that your butt is a hack that was stuck in after a rather unpleasant code review.

  3. Fair enough... by Moth7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just so long as I'm equally entitled to conjecture that the Bible was placed here by Satan to test our faith in him (the true Lord).Don't think they should have a problem with that, do you?

    1. Re:Fair enough... by MathFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yet another theory is that the Universe was created as term work, for which God got a barely passing grade. (What else would you expect for a six-day hack.) Next semester He went on with different courses and forgot about us.

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  4. Re:Another giant step backward... by intnsred · · Score: 5, Funny

    Honestly, just what is the deal with these fundamentalists? I have two issues with these people.

    Only 2?!

    Oh, I forgot. It's Monday. You must be pressed for time. :-)

  5. Oh puhhleese! by Golobarti · · Score: 1, Funny

    Everyone knows that the world was created ~4000 years ago in 6 days, complete with dinosaur fossils thrown in to mix up the heathens advocating the theory of evolution. Anyone claiming otherwise is jeopardising his/her immortal soul and will be chained to a computer running Windows(TM) with no friendly Microsoft tech support to explain the shortcomings of the hardware that causes the BSOD's...

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  6. It's all a wind-up. by The+Dodger · · Score: 2, Funny

    One, if a literal interpretation of the Bible is correct, what about all these fossils?
    God put them there for a laugh. He's sittin' up in Heaven laughin' his ass off at us all getting all wound up about it. Kinda like when I tell socialists that poor people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    I for one refuse to believe that God would give us brains capable of rational, abstract thought, and then plant fake clues to punish those of us who had the gall to use those brains to attempt to understand the world we live in.
    Yeah, but he's also the same God who put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and said "Right, here's the deal. You can eat anything you like, anything at all in the whoooooole Garden. Except from this tree here. Every other tree - fine. This tree - no."

    He knew the gullible bint was going to eat the apple. He never had any intention of letting mankind stay in the Garden of Eden. He just wanted to be able to say "Gotcha!".


    D.

    1. Re:It's all a wind-up. by wheany · · Score: 1, Funny

      Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off. He's a tight-ass. He's a sadist. He's an absentee landlord. Worship that? Never.

    2. Re:It's all a wind-up. by Lifewish · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regards free will: God is omniscient. God is omnipotent. Hence God both knew what was going to happen and was able to avert it if necessary. Hence God is responsible for what happened (if you have a non-handwavey counterargument please tell). He certainly doesn't have any grounds for blaming the human race unto the umpteenth generation.

      From this follows a lot of stuff: God causes war and suffering, God is partially sinful, God isn't worth following. In particular, God is ultimately responsible for Slashdot. Given this last, I feel that being incarnated then nailed to a cross was possibly getting off too lightly.

      Yes, that was a joke. Yes, I blame God for my lousy sense of humour.

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    3. Re:It's all a wind-up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And for my example (and a silly one it is, too): Assuming your (straight/male), God gave you everything you desired; new computer, free beer, hordes of naked ladies. The one rule God gave you was 'Don't sleep with that guy just laying there.' Do you still think that because anything is possible that you'd sleep with that guy?


      Yes. Assuming humans (in their period of grace) have our sense of curiosity and exploration, it's something we'd eventually be driven to test. Heck, after 800 years of living, I'd be willing to try sucking dick on cable TV, wearing hot-pants held up by red suspenders and topped with a polka-dot bow-tie.
    4. Re:It's all a wind-up. by keraneuology · · Score: 2, Funny
      I do like the "be fruitful and multiply" mandate

      After the ark came to rest the snakes approached Noah with a problem. When questioned regarding their point of concern they replied "we can't go forth and multiply - we're adders."

      So Noah set out and chopped down several large trees, stripped them of bark and fastened them together to make some crude furniture. Noah proudly declared the issue resolved: "even adders can multiply using log tables".

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    5. Re:It's all a wind-up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Nope. If you live forever, you will go to china. It's inevitable.

      by that logic, you'd also do the following:
      -get a sex change.
      -bomb a starbucks.
      -be elected president.
      -become pope (may require becoming catholic first).
      -marry a goat.
      -write a novel and translate it into atleast 50 different languages yourself.
      -get aids.
      -have sexual relations with every living US secretary of state.
      -spent 2 years motionless inorder to better understand "being a door"
      -kill one of your own children for the fun of it.
      -spend at least 10 years in prison.
      -Worship a kielbasa as the one true edible god.
      -truthfully state that PBR is your favorite beer.
      -work at the microsoft linux division.
      -Watch a new version of "The Wall" with GWB as Pink.

  7. Re:Don't call it pseudoscience because it isn't by grasshoppa · · Score: 1, Funny

    Conclusion 1: Everything that is intricate and complicated must have a designer.

    Conclusion 2: Conclusion 1 indicates that the universe requires a designer.

    Conclusion 3: God is that designer.

    (Western) Conclusion 4: This designer is the God as described in the Holy Bible.


    Psst...you forgot one:

    Conclusion 5: Profit!!!!

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  8. Re:intelegant design != God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's like first day of a college course and the professor singles out someone to speak their mind about a subject and let them embarrass themselves in front of the class...

  9. Let's hear it for objective reporting! by jpmahala · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh wait, this is /.

  10. What about intelligent *web*-design? by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 1, Funny

    Would that be an alternative to /. ?

    Gotta love HTML 3.2...

  11. Re:Another giant step backward... by compass46 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wow, an intellignt post on this matter. Did you come over here from K5?

  12. Re:Another giant step backward... by Golias · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you understood everything there was to know about printing, binding and reproducing books, that knowledge and understanding still wouldn't tell you anything about how to write a good one.

    Well, you could at least write a definitive book on the subject of publishing.

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  13. Re:Atheism also a religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.

  14. Neanderthals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please accept that those of us who like the idea and hypothesis of ID are not low-IQ neanderthals but are in fact intelligent human beings.

    Hmmm, a reference to "neanderthals" in the same paragraph that defends ID over evolution? Interesting.

  15. Re:Summary = [-1, Flamebait] by null+etc. · · Score: 1, Funny
    if you can't test it, then it doesn't belong in science.

    Don't tell that to Schrodinger and his cat.

  16. Re:How to disprove evolution with four questions.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    All you're proving to me is that you weren't paying attention in spelling class...

  17. Re:Intelligent Design != Creationism by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Funny
    "The lot is cast into the lap,
    .. but the decision is the Lord's alone. "

    and the lamb shall lie down next to the lion.
    ...but the lamb won't get much sleep.

    / w/apologies to woody allen

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  18. God and Evo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If I'm wrong about God I goto hell.

    If I'm wrong about evolution I gotta listen to people whine about it on slashdot.

    I'm not sure which sucks more.

  19. Re:yee-frickity-haw! by sbenj · · Score: 5, Funny
    I agree absolutely with this. Hey intelligent Americans - TAKE BACK YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY! We are sick of this shit and many of us are tiring of NOT lumping you all in the same bunch. You are burning serious karma.

    Sorry, I was watching "Desperate Housewives". What was that again?

  20. Lets Conjugate ID'ist by protolith · · Score: 1, Funny

    IDium
    IDius
    IDiot

    Hey, IDiot,
    Idiot, Hmmmm, "They all, believe in Intelligent Design" -- "Idiot"
    So thats where that term comes from!

    I know its kinda trollish, and I'm going to hell and such, Oh wait, the very fact that this discussion still plagues the school system suggests that we are already there, so I guess I have nothing to worry about....

  21. Re:Of course there will be lots of comments! by alienw · · Score: 1, Funny

    Replace "faith" with "stupidity" and you will be right on.

  22. Re:Another giant step backward... by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lay out for me some experiment I can do in which one of the possible outcomes disproves the existance of God

    Simple: God is love, and is perfect, and created man in his image?

    Therefore, diarrhea proves that God doesn't exist: Q.e.d.

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  23. Re:Evolution is intelligent design by tommyServ0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That is what you all say, but you people never substantiate that claim, and when you try, you fail.

    Well, if you are the judge of who is and who isn't smart enough for your little atheist party, who would be able to convince you?

    Never heard of him, so he is not that well known.

    Then you haven't take any Philosophy classes, nor have you read anything substantial by atheists. He is well-known, and I find it comical that you believe you are the decider of who is well-known and who isn't. Can I decide who is well-known now?

    He is 81 years old

    Hmm, didn't realize an appeal to age is an actual logical argument.

    The first thing I noted on the URL you supplied, is that Gerald pretends to know Quantum Physics. As a quantum physicist, I was not duped.

    Ahh, the elitism is staggering. :)

    Your argument with Dr. Schroeder's credentials isn't with me or Dr. Schroeder's himself. Your beef is with MIT for having the gall to let him teach Nuclear Physics in their university for seven years--and for awarding him a Ph.D. in said field.

    You should contact that fly-by-night institutution post-haste to let them know of their mistake! After all, you are a quantum physicist!

    Signed,
    Notoriously bad judge of people...

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  24. Re:Of course there will be lots of comments! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their bible has Expansion Packs.

  25. Re:Another giant step backward... by Skye16 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, it mostly just opens the door for a whole host of other questions, one of the most damning being "why would God seek to mislead us, so, unless he's a fucking asshole?" Seriously, if you don't want your kids to do something wrong, do you then seek to tempt them to do it just so you can say "hahahaha, you're grounded! woo! bet you didn't see that coming!"

  26. Re:intelegant design != God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    All I know is that when eternity comes around and God dies, he's gonna have a lot of explaining to do to his God. And if God's God is just, God is gonna rot in his God's hell. Which is gonna suck, because an eternity of eternities is a long time. I mean face it, your God is a psychopathic jokester who brings out the worst in people.

  27. Unintelligent Design by rewinn · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Theory Of UnIntelligent Design (THUID) is a scientific alternative to the discreditted theory of "evolution".

    THUID postulates that the development of intelligent life on earth cannot have occurred by blind chance, but only by the direct intervention of an Outside Direct Designer (codenamed "ODD"). This ODD being discloses its very nature in the details of the human structure.

    For example, would an intelligent Designer include the appendix - an organ whose sole function is to burst, causing inconvenience and painful death?

    What of dental caries: a phenomenon unknown before the development of human intelligence, yet almost inevitable when our human desire for sweets is coupled to the brainpower that ensures a steady, unhealthy supply?

    And let us not even BEGIN to talk about the humorous side of human reproduction ...

    ... suffice it to say that ALL EVIDENCE shows that the marvelous human being has CLEARLY been designed by a GREAT DESIGNER that is unfortunately lacking in INTELLIGENCE!!!

    Please support this SCIENTIFIC study as it battles the twin unscientific principles of EVOLUTION and of INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

    Our School Children Must Learn The Truth!

    For more information on this TRUTH that I have undercovered, see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THUID

  28. Look At Boobies for Proof of Evolution by Petersko · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I went to high school, the girls were NOT built like they are today.

    Evolution HAS to be right.

  29. Douglas Adams quote... by nighthawk127127 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Oh! I hadn't thought of that!" said God, and disappeared in a puff of logic.

    Then man went on to prove that black is white and got himself killed by a bus while crossing the street.

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  30. Re:Another giant step backward... by geoffspear · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, there's the Book of Esther, where the queen is killed for refusing to show off her hotness for the king's buddies.

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  31. Re:Another giant step backward... by ut59049 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This weekend I watched an amazing PBS series, "Evolution". I would higly reccomend it to anyone interested in this topic, regardless of where you stand on the issue. It catches you up to date on all of the current research and scientific evidence.

    One of the segments was entitled "What about God?" which included a segment about a leading creationist Ken Ham. One of the absurd things he told his audience was, "If someone tells you millions of years ago, respond to them by saying 'Were you there?'"

    So I looked up this guy, and he is building a CREATIONIST MUSEUM!!!!!! It is somewhere in Kentucky, and they are installing the exhibits right now. I seriously thought this was a joke when I looked at the virtual tour.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/

  32. great idea by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 2, Funny

    I fully agree - if students were actually exposed to ID, it would do more damage to religous fundamentalism then an army of scientists talking evolution