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The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design

Mime Narrator writes "An article over at Kuro5hin discusses the controvery over the Intelligent Design movement. The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring that high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the origins of life time and time again, is flawed, and that intelligent design is a valid alternative. The ACLU, along with the AUSCS (Americans United for the Separation of Church and State), and 11 parents, are suing the school board, accusing the board of violating the separation of church and state. "

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  1. Re:Another giant step backward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Most neoconservatives are secular jews who do not believe in creationism.

    Or are you another one of those ignorant boobs who thinks "Bush supporter" == "Neoconservative"

  2. The Fundamentalists Got It Wrong by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 0, Troll

    The fundamentalists got it all wrong, and so do the evolutionists. It is absolutely clear in the Rig-Veda that the world was created by Purusha.

    This 2000yr old documented view of creation is more consistent than the bullshit "evolution" that has been around for 50 years, and has changed its story every decade or so.

    Lets see how the fable of 'evolution' holds up over centuries, or millenia. 100 years from now, evolutionists will be written up as a minor blip of humanist phillosophy that went zealously wrong.

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    The only PT Boat Journal on the web: http://www.PT171.org
  3. Re:It's all a wind-up. by m50d · · Score: 0, Troll

    Nope. If you live forever, you will go to china. It's inevitable. It can take until that bird wears away the mountain, but it will happen.

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    I am trolling
  4. Re:Another giant step backward... by WaxParadigm · · Score: 0, Troll

    Just a question for you... What do you think a newly-created world would look like (how does one distinguish a newly-created world from one billions of years old)?

    Would a God capable of creating the entire universe and everything in it not be able to create a world with what appears to be decayed organic matter?

    Would it be intellegent to create a world with matter in varying stages at the beginning (basically a world with it's ecology/geology already set in motion)? Would a God that's powerful enough to create matter be restricted to only creating living matter and then waiting for it to decompose...or could he create decomposed organic matter?

    To say that fossles and fossel fuel are contradictory or mutually exclusive with creationism reflects a serious consideration/understanding of what creationists believe...and how powerful/amazing they see God as being.

  5. Re:intelegant design != God by mrgrey · · Score: 0, Troll

    The plant did not change itself to become immune to the effects of round-up. The strong plants survived and the week plants died. The same thing happens with humans and disease. People with strong immune systems live and ones with weak immune systems die.

    Most ID people will argue this fact. Evolution (in the sense that organisms change/adapt) is as much a theory (or religeon) as ID. Niether has been observed.

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  6. Applies to Fed Only by illumina+us · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's a shame how uneducated some people are. Seperation of Church and State only applies to what the Federal Government can/can't do. =/

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    -illumina+us "I put on my robe and wizard hat..."
  7. Re:Another giant step backward... by johnnyb · · Score: 1, Troll

    "It's very funny to think that the neo conservatives go to war over oil - the compressed remains of million year old creatures, yet believes the world is young."

    There is no evidence that oil is made over millions of years. In the lab it is produced quickly, just as coal, opal, petrified objects, fossils, stalagtites and stalagmites are formed.

    There is a museum that has a petrified ham, which was petrified in only one year. Likewise, stalagtites and stalagmites can grow in just 50 years. Layered sedimentation is actually based on particle size of flowing material, and not of millions of years of layering. An entire layered sediment canyon was created in 3 hours by the Mt. St. Helen's eruption.

    http://www.creationism.org/sthelens/MSH1b_7wonders .htm

    Some other interesting links:

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/ca nyon.asp
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/1209misso ula.asp
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/su rtsey.asp
    http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-155.htm
    http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-157.htm

    Also note that a young earth creationist correctly predicted Uranus's electromagnetic field, while those believing in millions of years were incorrect.

    http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-203.htm

  8. Re:Of course there will be lots of comments! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    God invented humans just a little bit after humans invented God.

  9. Re:Of course there will be lots of comments! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ever think that certain things are beyond the full understanding of the human mind?

    No. Why should they be? You didn't even make it past the second paragraph without a flawed premise.

  10. Re:Another giant step backward... by l0tu53at3r · · Score: 0, Troll

    hmmm...i thought he rested on the 7th day and it was good so he just sorta stopped creating...from that point all i remember is him being vengeful (read: destructive) and then forgiving (also read: passive).

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  11. No problem with church and state here. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1, Troll
    If the ACLU is against this, then I am for it! Look, it's a good idea to have different opposing viewpoints. How else are our young going to learn to choose what they believe is best? Truth is, this evolutionary theory, which you can claim has "time and time again" explained everything there is to know, is flawed. There are many holes and unexplained elements in this theory. Personally, I believe that evolution can and does exist, but as a component in a much more complex system created by (are you ready for this?) GOD! There is nothing wrong with teaching kids that: Some people think this; Some people think that; Some people think a combination of the two; You make up your own mind.

    Oh yeah, and if you're in the United States and you get horrified when "church and state" get mixed, here's a pop quiz for you: Which amendment states: "The separation of church and state shall not be abridged." I bet nobody on Slashdot will be able to figure this one out.

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    Answer: The first amendment is not the answer. It reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Note that Congress, not public schools, is the entity mentioned in this amendment. Also note that the rule is: no law respecting blah blah blah or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. So don't tell me that's what the almighty Constitition states, because it doesn't.

  12. Re:It's all a wind-up. by Scrameustache · · Score: 0, Troll
    he didn't know that the Morning Star was undermining his commandments, and he didn't put the blame only on him,
    You assume that he didn't.

    I assume nothing:
    Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

    10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

    11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

    12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

    13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"


    God. Didn't. Know!
    Omniscient? Not according to the bible.
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    You can't take the sky from me...

  13. I Think the Term Morons Would be Pointless Here by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1, Troll


    'Nuff said.

    Well, not quite. To quote Aleister Crowley, "The Christians to the lions!"

    Yes - that DOES mean I would like to see you all exterminated to the last man, woman and child.

    And I will.

    Have a nice day.

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    Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
  14. Re:yee-frickity-haw! by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0, Troll

    We are a democracy.
    One of the failings of democracies is that when 51% of the people decide something, it can be hard to stop. We do require 60% for some things but they are currently trying to repeal that in the senate. I hope the Dem's hold them back.
    OTH, it's better than the countries where 5% of the people can do this.
    This really all revolves around abortion. It is what has irritated the religious types enough to do this. They don't care of the corporations take over the country as long as abortion is outlawed. Lately gay marriage has them going too.
    My point is... there is not much you can do. The left is pretty discredited and irrational. They went so hard to the left that most of the "center" allied with the republicans. I would go so far as to say most the the left actually hates america which is kinda sad since it is their own country. It's hard to ally yourself with people who hates their own country.
    So we have the religious right + corporations + center vs the center + socialists + communists. The corporations have the money and the religious right have the feet. What I do seriously prepare for is moving from the country if it looks like it is truly going religio fascist.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  15. Re:Of course there will be lots of comments! by BLAMM! · · Score: 0, Troll

    So anyone who thinks something different from you is a fool? You must be real fun at parties.

  16. LDS by bugeaterr · · Score: 0, Troll

    Everyone should try LDS at least ONCE in their lives.
    It'll really close your mind to possibilities you've already imagined.

  17. Religion Sucks by bryan8m · · Score: 0, Troll

    1. God never existed. 2. People made God up. 3. Intelligent design is just a way for fundamentalists to bring God back into the classroom.

  18. Re:Another giant step backward... by vistic · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hey I have only one problem with fundamentalists: that they exist. They certainly have a right to exist... I'm just saddened that they actually do.