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Open Graphics Project Looking For Funding

An anonymous reader writes "The Open Graphics Project was formed last year to create a free and open source friendly graphics card. According to this article on KernelTrap, the project lost their company backing a couple of months ago, but has decided to go forward with the effort with money from the developer's own pockets. The team plans to release a prototype card to the public in November, at which time they'll need to find $1 million dollars for the effort to continue." I continue to wonder about the Open Hardware projects but call me skeptical- people contribute to Open Source because it typically costs little more than time.

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  1. FREE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They want to make a free graphics card? No wonder they need funding!

  2. Open Hardware doesnt work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fabrication costs for one run of these cards can be huge. Even going with 130 nm technology (which is already "outdated") can cost a million dollars just for the masks. Yield, packaging, and other issues can easily push up the costs to several times that.

  3. How to make this project work by pieterh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only way to fund this project is to find a company or group of companies who spend significantly more than $1m per year on commodity graphics technology, and who would be happy to switch to an open standard where they can share the costs and offload R&D work to a wider community.

    I'd say, motherboard producers, who today pay royalties for on-board graphics cards.

    Forget about asking the "community" to put up the money, it's not going to happen.

  4. Re:Naysayers rejoice by Theovon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm going to say all the bad things I can think of so we don't have to waste time rereading them all day.

    Thank you for commenting.

    1. The hardware will be underpowered because this group has little experience (if any) designing bleeding edge graphics hardware

    Is 6.4 GB/sec memory bandwidth "underpowered"? Perhaps compared to bleeding-edge Windows cards, but not compared to the latest cards FULLY supported by open source drivers. Your typical Linux server board sports a Rage XL. Furthermore, this group has a long history of experience with extremely high-end graphics cards used in air traffic control and medical systems, driving multiple high-res displays at resolutions like 2560x2048 and 3840x2400.

    2. The card will be overpriced because this group doesn't have the manufacturing clout of NVidia or ATI

    The initial product isn't really a graphics card. It's an FPGA project board that's a quarter the price of the next comparable product. The OGP ASIC-based product will be competitively priced. It will be on par (or better) in performance and price with other embedded solutions, and it will be affordable as a graphics card.

    3. The drivers will suck because nobody's going to buy this card and nobody will develop for it.

    There are already a good number of driver developers involved in the project, some of whom have gotten funding from their employers to work on it.

    4. The drivers will suck MORE because of all the trans-gamers out there who dual boot, they won't get the card because it won't be supported in Windows (or just very weakly).

    We fully intend to have the maximum Windows support possible. While the card isn't intended for games, the specs make are sufficient for Quake 3.

    5. The company has no financial backing, so they will crash and burn early on and we will be stuck with abandoned hardware.

    We've come up with a project plan that doesn't require financial backing, other than a few thousand dollars out of our own pockets. What more could you ask for?

    6. This time, effort and money would be better spent harassing the existing graphics card manufacturers into opening up their drivers, as least the non-trade-secret parts so we can do our magic on it.

    Harrassing only makes companies mad. Who are you anyhow? You're a Linux user, representing maybe 5% of the graphics market. If ATI or nVidia were to dedicate proper resources to Linux support, it would cost them more money than it makes them. Plus, ATI has a FAQ that states that they CANNOT open source their drivers due to IP licensing issues.

    7. (asbestos ON) I still don't think any Linux Distro in its current state should even be considered for desktop or gaming. But that's me being an elitist prick. Come up with a cleaner development model, make it "just work", and redo the whole windowing system into something that is NOT X, and maybe then we can start talking. The reason OSX works so well is because it does fifty backflips to almost completely hide the underlying Unix layer. It's not because I know Linux that I want to put up with its PMS all the time, sometimes it's nice to just click things with your brain switched off.

    This is a WHOLE other topic, but in large part, I agree with you.

  5. Time is hardly free! by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...people contribute to Open Source because it typically costs little more than time.

    Time is te most precious commodity of all. Most of us don't realize this until we notice how little we have left (terminal illness diagnosis, old age, a loved one dying, in the middle of a motorcycle wreck, etc).

    All of life is a barter system. Most people in "modern", "civilized" societies simply fail to recognize this, and think of money as the only medium that matters in trade.

    This isn't in any way dissing people who put time into FOSS (I do). It's just a reality check against the concept that it's free if you "only" put time into it. Rather, it is more dearly bought.