KingDaveRa writes "The BBC is reporting that IBM is losing 13,000 jobs. This comes after disappointing financial results. Most jobs will be going in europe."
I'll tell you what's hell
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Carnil
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Trying to follow any of your malformed links is!!!
Re:Dont forget about Poland
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lachlan76
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Well their culture involves arranged marriages for example, I don't know much about Indian culture but if things like that are the norm they are not socially trained to make decisions from the get-go.
Re:Dont forget about Poland
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billysara
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Good grief.
Re:Dont forget about Poland
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AdamPiotrZochowski
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\ \ just as many drunks but much cheaper
\ Having drunks drink cheaper booze is not a good thing. true true, I am always saddened when I see people drink 'denaturat', or the drunks who piss on everything, even historical buildings, just because taking extra steps to a restroom is too much. denaturat : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol
what I was alluding to is that there are drunks everywhere, Germany, Ireland, etc, so Poland aint too bad. Sure some might drink vodka in glasses instead of shots, but those are freaks.
\ \ lots of beautifull clean land
\ Didn't you mention Cracow in your post? just throw a stone any way and it will land on a clean land... Sure Metropolities are not too clean, but such is the case with any city, and definitelly Cracow is not the worst. But we have beautifull high mountains Tatry, the forested mountains in Bieszczady, the 1000 lakes in Mazury. Heck, Mazury is referred to as 'the green lungs' for a reason.
Poland has everything in moderation. Its not raining non stop like it is in England, its hot enough on summer days, but not so hot as in mediterranean countries where you need sciestas. Winters are not as bad as scandinavic winters. And Poland is not overpopulated like Netherlands. Poland does not have problems with influx of immigrants, problems that are well appearent in France or Germany and Holland. Poland is also a very good link to other countries of slavik descent such asRussia / Ukraine Lithuania / Belarus / Czech / Slovakia / Bulgaria / Croatia / Yugoslavia... etc)
\ The only benefit Poland has is being pretty cheap, but nowhere as cheap as India Poland is cheap, but not that cheap, true. But also poland is in the central Europe, you only get 1hr time difference with England, much easier to coordinate work. Poland also has been much closer to europe, there is less chance for breaking local Savoir-faire customs. The less faux-pas/gaffes in a meeting the better.
\ On the other hand, we are world leaders where it comes to bureaucracy, stupid laws
\ and corruption. true, Poland does not have a transparent goverment, and there are many red tapes one needs to clear, but so is the case when dealing with Chinese (not sure about Indian, but possibly too). Have a chinese/indian company break a contract with you, see how well you fare out trying to hold them in their country to the contract they signed with you.
I agree, saying that Poland is not as corrupt as 'point finger anywhere eastward' is not necessarilly a plus.
\ Like every major company that moved its manufacturing into Poland has either
\ already left or is contemplating leaving. Low labor costs are not everything. actually, its all about low costs, but not just labour. Factor in the costs of corruption, costs of educating, costs of opening up factories, costs of operation. But its all about costs, sure labour costs offset alot, but not everything.Corruption of the goverment adds to the costs (could also be considered a perk, but its a dangerous road to partake)
Look at Ukraine, they got lower labour costs than many countries but due to their corruption and instability they are not flooded with work offers... yet. This could be changing soon.
\ I'm speaking mostly about automobile industry here -- but when it comes to
\ assembling PCs, we got a case when a company had to export their wares to the
\ Czech republic, "buy" them from itself and import them back -- all to avoid
\ a certain law idiocy. there are many wierd law idiocies that one has to avoid, but such is the case with many countries.
In Canada its cheaper to buy a broken car and have a mechanic fix it for you, than to have the same mechanic buy
Re:Losing your job is hard
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spectasaurus
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Man, I lost my car keys once. It sucked. I'd hate to lose 13,000 car keys, though. Hope they find them soon before they have to pick someone up at the airport or something.
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andymullins
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What's with the banner add in the RSS feed for this story? Is this going to become the norm?
Is it possible to get a pint for £2 anymore? I used to take £20 for a night out 10 years ago - that would have been 10 pints, which is a good limit because I've been known to drink 12 (and that starts getting *really* messy for somebody who weighed less than 9 st.) Pints of Guinness today cost well over £3 (in SE at least), and sometimes I get carried away and drink more expensive drinks, and of course there has to be something to eat too. And also, how many people who can drink that much only drink occasionally? That's when it starts adding up. I spent £80 on booze (I kept it cheap by only drinking beer too) over three nights a fortnight ago... the bank balance doesn't like that behaviour on a regular basis. BTW, that was in Toronto, not UK.
Trying to follow any of your malformed links is!!!
Well their culture involves arranged marriages for example, I don't know much about Indian culture but if things like that are the norm they are not socially trained to make decisions from the get-go.
Good grief.
\ \ just as many drunks but much cheaper
\ Having drunks drink cheaper booze is not a good thing.
true true, I am always saddened when I see people drink 'denaturat', or the drunks
who piss on everything, even historical buildings, just because taking extra steps
to a restroom is too much.
denaturat : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol
what I was alluding to is that there are drunks everywhere, Germany, Ireland,
etc, so Poland aint too bad. Sure some might drink vodka in glasses instead
of shots, but those are freaks.
\ \ lots of beautifull clean land
\ Didn't you mention Cracow in your post?
just throw a stone any way and it will land on a clean land... Sure Metropolities
are not too clean, but such is the case with any city, and definitelly Cracow is
not the worst. But we have beautifull high mountains Tatry, the forested mountains
in Bieszczady, the 1000 lakes in Mazury. Heck, Mazury is referred to as 'the green
lungs' for a reason.
Poland has everything in moderation. Its not raining non stop like it is in England,
its hot enough on summer days, but not so hot as in mediterranean countries where you
need sciestas. Winters are not as bad as scandinavic winters. And Poland is not
overpopulated like Netherlands. Poland does not have problems with influx of
immigrants, problems that are well appearent in France or Germany and Holland. Poland
is also a very good link to other countries of slavik descent such asRussia / Ukraine
Lithuania / Belarus / Czech / Slovakia / Bulgaria / Croatia / Yugoslavia
\ The only benefit Poland has is being pretty cheap, but nowhere as cheap as India
Poland is cheap, but not that cheap, true. But also poland is in the central Europe,
you only get 1hr time difference with England, much easier to coordinate work. Poland
also has been much closer to europe, there is less chance for breaking local
Savoir-faire customs. The less faux-pas/gaffes in a meeting the better.
\ On the other hand, we are world leaders where it comes to bureaucracy, stupid laws
\ and corruption.
true, Poland does not have a transparent goverment, and there are many red tapes one
needs to clear, but so is the case when dealing with Chinese (not sure about Indian,
but possibly too). Have a chinese/indian company break a contract with you, see
how well you fare out trying to hold them in their country to the contract they
signed with you.
I agree, saying that Poland is not as corrupt as 'point finger anywhere eastward' is
not necessarilly a plus.
\ Like every major company that moved its manufacturing into Poland has either
\ already left or is contemplating leaving. Low labor costs are not everything.
actually, its all about low costs, but not just labour. Factor in the costs of
corruption, costs of educating, costs of opening up factories, costs of operation.
But its all about costs, sure labour costs offset alot, but not everything.Corruption
of the goverment adds to the costs (could also be considered a perk, but its a
dangerous road to partake)
Look at Ukraine, they got lower labour costs than many countries but due to their
corruption and instability they are not flooded with work offers... yet. This could
be changing soon.
\ I'm speaking mostly about automobile industry here -- but when it comes to
\ assembling PCs, we got a case when a company had to export their wares to the
\ Czech republic, "buy" them from itself and import them back -- all to avoid
\ a certain law idiocy.
there are many wierd law idiocies that one has to avoid, but such is the case with
many countries.
In Canada its cheaper to buy a broken car and have a mechanic fix it for you, than to
have the same mechanic buy
Man, I lost my car keys once. It sucked. I'd hate to lose 13,000 car keys, though. Hope they find them soon before they have to pick someone up at the airport or something.
What's with the banner add in the RSS feed for this story? Is this going to become the norm?
Is it possible to get a pint for £2 anymore? I used to take £20 for a night out 10 years ago - that would have been 10 pints, which is a good limit because I've been known to drink 12 (and that starts getting *really* messy for somebody who weighed less than 9 st.) Pints of Guinness today cost well over £3 (in SE at least), and sometimes I get carried away and drink more expensive drinks, and of course there has to be something to eat too. And also, how many people who can drink that much only drink occasionally? That's when it starts adding up. I spent £80 on booze (I kept it cheap by only drinking beer too) over three nights a fortnight ago... the bank balance doesn't like that behaviour on a regular basis. BTW, that was in Toronto, not UK.