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Qualcomm Adopts Linux for 3G Handsets

quan74 writes "According to an article at MacNewsWorld, it seems Qualcomm is the latest to add Linux to its handheld devices. 'By introducing Linux on the MSM, Qualcomm supports manufacturer partners who wish to leverage existing Linux applications, third-party developers and application catalogs to reduce their software development costs and improve time-to-market.' What I found interesting is that Linux will be the first third-party operating system supported by Qualcomm."

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  1. Risks? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm all for pushing technology forward, but integrating so many functions into one device can have a downside..

    I don't think we're too far off from having spyware for mobile phones that sends advertising SMS messages to everyone in your phone address book. Or even calls everyone and plays a pre-recorded message. As these things become more ubiquitous, they'll be a larger and larger target.

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    1. Re:Risks? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I like Qualcomm, they are the guys who succesfully implemented CDMA when other companies (especially from Europe) thought it was too challenging. I am glad to see they are considering Linux. I hope, by addopting linux, they will also give back to the Open Source community some applications or some interesting code for embedded devices. When Sharp was releasing their Zaurus with Linux on it, I got a developer's version (SL-5000D) and played with it. It was great to log into it and have a full Linux OS in your pocket. Perhaps I can do that with my cellphone now.

    2. Re:Risks? by Spacejock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. I held of getting a new mobile for about five years (the old one is a brick which makes calls, and that's all I need) This new phone is a fiddly PDA without a proper keyboard, a digital camera with lousy resolution and it doesn't make phone calls that well either... Yes, it has obscure multi-function buttons. Do I press the green or blue sideways L to make a call? Hell no, it's another sideways blue L leaning the other way. Oops, pressed the middle of the button instead of the 1/16" bevelled edge. Now it's doing something else. Did I just hang up? Did I just call someone? Damned if I know, I'll find out when the bill arrives.

      This phone is like Win 3.1 skinned by Enro Rubik.

    3. Re:Risks? by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As my salary depends on sales of symbian software, I probably shouldn't say this, but it seems most smartphone hardware makers don't have a clue about UI design. For example, on my Sony-ericsson p910i:

      - The keyboard is flimsy, hard to type on while holding the phone, and because it's on the reverse of the number keypad, when you type on it you often press buttons on the reverse side, causing the whole phone to wobble.

      - The camera button and the "connect to the internet" button are right next to each other, on the side of the phone and exactly the same size and shape, making it very easy to get press the wrong one.

      - Handwriting recognition is pretty poor. As it uses the whole screen to recognise handwriting, if you try to tap on a button while recognition is enabled and slip slightly (like, if you're walking around with your *mobile* phone) you end up typing a full stop instead of activating the button.

      - Most of the on-screen UI is far too fiddly to use "in the field". Sitting at a desk it's fine: on a crowded, bumpy train I keep activating the wrong functions.

      Personally, I can see a huge market for somebody like Apple to do to the smartphone market what iPods have done to the MP3 market: produce an elegant, easy-to-use smartphone with all the functionality, but actually designed with usability in mind.

    4. Re:Risks? by MikeSingee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Systems Not Affected: DOS, Linux, Macintosh, Novell Netware, OS/2, UNIX, Windows 2000, Windows 3.x, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP Um...sound ok to me

  2. Difference in total cost.. by wcitech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading somewhere that the cost of a single liscense of Windows Mobile is only a few bucks. What is the total cost saved by using Linux in handheld devices? It'd be interesting to compare.

    1. Re:Difference in total cost.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having access to the source code, both for customization and to avoid getting slammed by the Virus of the Week Club, can't hurt the decision making process...

    2. Re:Difference in total cost.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are so many functions that are included with Linux. Having all that included without licensing or maint. or ... worries would have to be inviting to a ISV/IHV. The big concern though is how to keep the device focused on its intended task, including some good things (mp3, avi or jpg) for the consumer and end-geek alike. If other OS vendors would include such simplicity, and coverage, it might make other OS's attractive.

    3. Re:Difference in total cost.. by nchip · · Score: 4, Informative

      Like allways when someone asks about total costs, "it depends".

      In Qualcomm case, you may end up saving lot. Qualcomm has just ported Linux to their _Cellphone_chip_, which means you don't have to buy another CPU to run the smartphone OS on. On The otherhand, Windows will still need another CPU, increasing Power consumption, weight and material costs.

      In other cases, it depends on the platform you are developing for. For example if you don't have an MMU in your hardware, you simply can't run windows. OTOH if you are just basing yourself on one the most popular reference designs with windows already available, windows is likely the cheapest route. But once you start creating something more exotic and unique, it becomes more blurry and depends on case-to-case basis.

      However, Qualcomm going Linux is fascinating for a totally unrelated point. Before this, their BREW platform has been the most DRM-encumbered development platform. There is no way to run code not signed, distributed and billed by Qualcomm on their BREW handsets. This might be a relatively large move from completely proprietary to more community friendly.

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  3. Re:MacNewsWorld? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually it's MACNewsWorld, it's actually a web publication that started out about MAC addresses (the raw addresses used by Ethernet, and more recently 802.11 devices, to identify physical network connectors), but recently branched into discussing CDMA on the off chance that they might get more readers that way. It worked, they doubled their regular readership figure, getting six hits every month. Although three of those have Google searches in their Referrer: headers.

  4. Re:Really? by Dext · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i doubt the companys will release the source code for the software even if it is linux. and considering the applicatiosn that run on these devices are ususaly very small and take little input from the user it should be easy for the developers to make it pretty secure. they could probaly even use some kind of hashing system to check the images to insure you cant use a cellphone with modified OS image.

  5. ....it's handheld devices. by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's be short and sweet about this. It's is a contraction of "it is". It's a beautiful day!
    Its is a posssessive adjective, something belongs to it. The computer crashed again. Its program is wrong.
    Mastering the natural language can be as hard as mastering C++. But it's all precision symbol manipulation necessary to understand subtle meanings.
    Feel free to mock my intelligence for forgetting the 'address of' & operator or messing up the pointer structure, but I don't want to hear anything about being a grammar Nazi. I only do this to keep people from knowing that you were smoking sinse in 4th grade instead of paying attention in English period.

    1. Re: ....it's handheld devices. by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Sinse" as in "sinsemilla," Spanish sin "without" + semilla, "seed" (itself derived from Latin, sine, "without," and from Latin semen, "seed." The slang spelling "sensimilla" is itself a misspelling. If you're going to smoke the stuff (I won't, I value my neurons too much), you should at least learn how to spell it.

  6. Re:Choose your friends wisely by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative
    No, CDMA is not better than GSM, and none of Europe is moving to CDMA except in a way that makes your sentence lose all meaning.

    The letters CDMA have two meanings: they refer to an air-interface technology, and they refer to a particular standard built on that technology, also known as IS-95. The technology is good. The standard is awful.

    The sentence "CDMA is better than GSM" can only be refering to the standard, because GSM is a standard, not an air-interface technology. It's completely false, as anyone who's used both can attest. CDMA isn't location/network independent and it doesn't support, in its most widely implemented form, support personal mobility. It's essentially stuck in a 1970's mobile phone network mindset. It's sole advantage over GSM is the use of a CDMA-technology air interface.

    The sentence "All of Europe is moving to CDMA" is only true if you switch meanings and start refering to the air interface technology in place of the standard.

    I don't know if you're confused, or you're a Qualcomm shill. Qualcomm shills were taking advantage of people's confusion throughout the late nineties to try and ensure exactly this kind of "argument" could be made. People would post, apparently sincerely, "Well, GSM is based on TDMA, and my friend has a TDMA phone and the sound sucks and he doesn't have any features that aren't on my flash CDMA phone!", and more recently "Oh yeah? Well if CDMA sucks, why is Europe switching to it?" It's slight of hand. Stop it.

    UMTS incidentally, which is what we're talking about Europe switching to, is essentially GSM2. The system is more modular, so operators can use different air interface technologies depending on their precise needs. Most are choosing WCDMA ("Wideband Code Division Multiple Access"). There is no connection whatsoever between this and the system Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless uses beyond a similar principle being used to transmit data between the towers and the handsets.

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  7. Re:It's all about getting there first by dfghjk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "...and that, by its nature, makes your job much more difficult."

    No it doesn't. Nothing you said makes any sense at all. Linux, compared to other products that may be used, is not "so well understood and documented that you can produce products much faster". It's all a matter of what your development team already knows. Linux is unlikely to be easier to work with than other products made specifically for the purpose and keeping secrets does not require extra work. Linux has been around long enough already that we'd see the migration if what you said was true. Linux has so far failed as a PDA platform. Phones will be even harder.

  8. good by suezz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    does this mean the will be releasing a driver for the airport card on macs for linux.

    at least I think it is them that manufacture the card.

    I think we start throwing our weight around a little bit - where if these companies are going to use open source to make money then how about making some drivers for the everday devices - i.e. why doesn't ibm make a dvd player for linux that can ship with their laptops. I know I would buy one if that was the case.

  9. Re:Choose your friends wisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    go here to clear up confusion on wcdma/umts vs cdma2000 standards

    CDMA2000
    W-CDMA
    Universal Mobile Telecommunications System

  10. Its the perception, not the reality by bluGill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Linberg wasn't the first to cross the Atlantic, but most people think he was, most of those who know he wasn't (such as me) have no clue who was first.

    I once worked for a company making routers years before Cisco started, yet Cisco has convinced everyone they were first. (I don't think this was intentional on their part) That company often introduced a new technology that Cisco released about a year latter. We never went anywhere though, while Cisco made billions.

    First is interesting. It is useful for those who need it now. However first is not the jump most people think it is. Quality, price, reputation and marketing matter at least as much.

  11. I'm sure Qualcomm feels honored... by Dolda2000 · · Score: 4, Funny
    it seems Qualcomm is the latest to add Linux to it's handheld devices.
    Its m'y utter delight to see that Slashdot posters finally get thei'r grammar right.