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Rejected Scientific Paper Recycled as an Ad

Roland Piquepaille writes "In this article, The Scientist reveals a curious and probably unique story. Two years ago, a researcher at Brown University submitted a paper to a scientific medicine journal. Then he received a note from the editor saying that his paper would not interest the journal readers. Thinking that his article was unfairly rejected before peer review, he decided to publish a two-page ad with the contents of his paper in the same journal. He even asked readers if they thought the contents interesting and received 33 positive replies. Read this summary before telling me what you think and if you've heard about a similar story."

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  1. just some thoughts.... by Neitokun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if this cancer 'only' effects 1 to 2 million people, why would it be of major intrest in a publication like this?

    1. Re:just some thoughts.... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 5, Informative

      The point was that Dow had released a paper claiming that, while an abnormal number of their workers were getting cancer, that this wasn't because of some chemical that they were exposed to in the workplace.

      The scientist "critiqued a 2003 Dow-funded paper (published) in Texas Medicine"

      In other words, he argued that the industry funded paper was a lie, but had a hard time getting his arguments published.

      Personally, I wish that he had gotten the article peer reviewed and published in another paper before doing this.

      I wonder if he can now claim that he was "published in JOEM." Can people cite this work? Probably not, I'm thinking.

      The effects of industry on scientific communication is pretty interesting. The overproscription of Statins in the US because the FDA was effectivly bribed is just one example.

      Considering the various technology transfer acts passed by congress, more and more previously government funded is becoming the province of industry. The effects on the integrity of scientific research are only slowly becoming apparent.

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    2. Re:just some thoughts.... by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In other words, he argued that the industry funded paper was a lie, but had a hard time getting his arguments published.

      Here's an analogy to what he did: let's say you read something in your local newspaper that you think is improperly argued. You write up your objection and ask the New York Times to run it as a bylined piece. They return it and tell you to try it as a letter to the editor in the newspaper that ran the original story.

      The guy isn't facing total suppression of his work by The Man; he's insisting on publishing it in a far more prestigious form than any reasonable person could think it warrants.

    3. Re:just some thoughts.... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, he is facing that suppression. The journal editor said that if he'd known it was being published as an ad, he'd have canceled it. Despite the standard ethical journalism policy of separating editors from publishers (ad managers), to prevent bias of editors by knowing who's paying the rent. It's not clear, from the tiny initial coverage in this Slashdot story, whether the editor can "fix" that "oversight" in the future, or whether that policy will continue to protect that avenue of publication.

      As for the reasonable prestige this study warrants, why do you agree with the editor that the story is "uninteresting"? The Dow study, which exonerated Dow in the statistically impossible cancer rate among their asbestos-exposed workers, was interesting enough to publish. This paper not only contradicts that self-interested result, but establishes clearly suggests a causal relationship between the asbestos and the cancer. Which would be of high interest to readers of a journal of occupational and environmental medicine. Why not?

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  2. 33 replies of Interesting.... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmmmm
    To some folk in the world, 5 hurricanes in a row in one small part of the world is considered "interesting".....

    Skipping past peer review sort of invalidates the point of being some of the journals, doesn't it?

    Hey, if you have something to say, we all want to be heard, but paid distribution of your comment may always be seen as self-promoting.

    In either case, did anyone figure out if he was right?

    1. Re:33 replies of Interesting.... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This guy wasn't rejected after peer review, though. He didn't choose to skip peer review. He was rejected because his research "wasn't interesting."

      This is what he was protesting, I think.

      If he had been rejected after peer review, it would have been a different story.

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    2. Re:33 replies of Interesting.... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      IAAS and I serve as a peer-reviewer for a number of journals. Among the criteria we are asked to judge are the significance and originality of the work. If the work isn't "interesting", i.e. if it is not very significant/important or it's not very original (confirmatory results, for example), then it gets scored lower. The journal's space is limited, and the editors would rather devote it to new, important information rather than results which don't advance the field.

      If the bulk of the readership is going to skip the article because it presents no new information or because it deals with a topic that no one cares about, then the editors are right to reject it.

      In every journal, the "Instructions to Authors" section spells out what kind of manuscript will be considered for publication... the topics appropirate for this journal, the kinds of research, etc. If your paper isn't right for this journal, publish it somewhere else.

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  3. approach by phloydphreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The intersting point in the 'The Scientist' article is Egilman's (advertisment placer's) approach to a system which he considers to be corrupt. from TA: the JOEM "(has)indirect ties to Dow Chemical and its strategic partner, GlaxoSmithKline}. By posting his article as an advertisement, Egilman bypassed a system of information suppression. His motives were not for fame or glory, but to publish material to those who are interested and have a say in such issues. I for one give Egilman a thumbs up. Very insightful approach to the problem.

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    1. Re:approach by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since you're the only person commenting on the subject, I'll stick my points here:

      1) Peer review is there to determine scientific correctness, not whether a paper should be published or not. There is nothing inappropriate about editorial prescreening for fit and impact -- otherwise the peer review system would be overrun. This manuscript was a criticism of a paper in a different, obscure journal and it's not in the least surprising that it was rejected before review. It should have been submitted as an unreviewed letter to the original journal.

      2) Any additional exposure his paper may have gained through this stunt is more than balanced out by the fact that Egilman will now permanently be known in the field as "the nut who ran his stupid letter as an advertisement".

      3) The "indirect ties" thing is ludicrous. Anyone who works in a field has "indirect ties" of that degree. Egilman, as I said, is a paranoid nut but the real idiot here is the editor at International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health who used this as an opportunity to throw dirt at a competitor. As though his journal has never rejected a paper about which a similarly far-fetched conspiracy theory could have been made.

  4. Another Roland Piquepaille special! by WasterDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because of Slashdot's famously high editorial standards, another Piquepaille blog plug gets popped onto the front page.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, another few hundred links that may actually be of interest to nerds and that may actually matter go rotting in the submission queue.

    Jesus wept. What have we done to deserve this?

    Dave

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  5. If no-one else seems to be doing it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think _I_ have to get my hands on this Roland Pigfucker and quite simply murder him. I want to get rid of his shitty stories already! God damn editors! Wake up! No-one wants Rolands retarded content-free-overrhyped-shit-articles.

  6. ahhhh!!!!!!! by deglr6328 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FUCK YOU ROLAND! FUCK. YOU. I have posted here for 6 years, submitted and had accepted many stories and have excellent karma so I don't care if this one, out of character post loses me a few karma points. Every damn time I click a link in a story without first looking at the submitter and find myself at your uninformative useless advert vehicle of a "website" (and this is an often occurrence) I feel like I've been trolled. The fact that you have the shameless audacity to ask the readers of your submissions to "Read this summary before telling me what you think and if you've heard about a similar story." is vile and scummy. I have heard and previously agreed with all the "who cares it's just a dumb /. submission by some loser" appeals to better temperament but this has got to be like the 20th time this has happened and it really get's my goat. You are trolling your own readers for advertiser cash and that is disgusting. I don't know if you give kickbacks to Taco or what (or maybe they just don't give a shit), but the fact that /. keeps posting your non-stories reflects extremely poorly on the status of any journalistic integrity /. claims to have.

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    1. Re:ahhhh!!!!!!! by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " keeps posting your non-stories reflects extremely poorly on the status of any journalistic integrity /. claims to have."

      Where does Slashdot claim to have any journalistic integrity?

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    2. Re:ahhhh!!!!!!! by QuantumFTL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that Roland's "stories" have got to stop - but is there anything we can do to further this end? (and I don't mean hack/ddos his site, although I'm surprised that hasn't happenned yet). I'm all for complaining when things suck, but seriously is there anything we *CAN* do to stop this? Maybe a firefox plugin that filters Roland out?

      I know that the editors don't actually read the site - the dupes pretty much prove that - but seriously, I'm paying for this site. I made a choice to subscribe, before Roland came around. Slashdot has had it's moments but seriously... Come on guys!

    3. Re:ahhhh!!!!!!! by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Informative

      "It doesn't, but it is generally held to a higher standard than a typical blog or webvert. Much of the time, it actually upholds a very high standard of integrity - better than many current media outlets - with any public retractions or updates added onto the front page, rather than tucked away out of sight."

      Wow, I seriously disagree with this. Slashdot has demonstrated bias and sensationalism numerous times. If you like Linux, FireFox, OSS in general, Farscape, etc then you're happy here. If you don't mind Microsoft, find FireFox to be clunky, enjoy Enterprise, etc you're poorly represented here. Not only a good chunk of the stories sensationalist in nature, but the mod system basically drives conformity in public opinion.

      To put it another way: I have a hard time believing anything that's printed on Slashdot. I know I'm not alone in this feeling.

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    4. Re:ahhhh!!!!!!! by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Outlets which publish interviews with leaders in the science and tech fields, book reviews, editorials and politics commentary generally need some kind of integrity, else why would anyone give any credence to their publication? Why read it at all? The journalistic integrity is implicit. Let me be clear, I think /. is still a great place. I really love the fact that there is a place where I can submit articles I think are cool and that I think others here will be interested in and then see insightful and fascinating comments on those articles that I never would've previously considered. That's one of the things that makes /. great. The other thing is the readership here and its unusually high level of genuine curiosity and intelligence. Some say this has declined over the years but I don't really see that too much. Exhibit A in this case is the person who posted a reply to my comment (just below your reply) he is QuantumFTL. He has, among other things, been generous enough to post stories and comments on the mars rover project from his inside viewpoint at JPL where he works. I think that is pretty damn cool and very nice of him. THAT is what this community should be about (and for the most part largely still IS about), sharing cool stuff with everyone else here; that's what makes it great. Roland, on the other hand exploits and dupes his readers into clicking links in his stories not because he wants to contribute anything of value (a mere glance at his site reveals it to be simply regurgitated press releases with a minor amount of padded fluff to make it appear legit) to the community here but instead, merely because he wants to reap their click thrus and ad dollars. That sucks, and if left unchecked, has the potential to, I fear, hurt this unique community.

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    5. Re:ahhhh!!!!!!! by TFGeditor · · Score: 2

      "I hope someone will start a 'fork' so that we can all move over."

      They did. http://www.technocrat.net/

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  7. Re:Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  8. Roland Piquepaille by sahrss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Screw that: Another Roland Piquepaille article.

    Slashdot IS a damn troll itself, for continuing to post that lamer's blog plugs. I am going to actively begin searching out another tech site with comments; I like a lot of the comments here at /., but the editors SUCK.

  9. Fucking Editors by Punboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They dont fucking look at the links anymore. They've gone lazy. Its like "Hey look! Science -approve-." Seriously. This guy has a shameless advertisement in a link. This should NOT be allowed. I voted that we have the llama that was responsible for approving this add sacked. And we should NOT sack those responsible for sacking the llama. Ok, im done with the Monty Python jokes. Seriously, this needs to stop.

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  10. boobie-shaped clouds by qurk · · Score: 3, Funny
    Heya. Since I just read all the articles and EVERY ONE is bashing on this roland guy, I figured I'd post something different :)

    I was driving through a heavy downpour on my way home from work tonight, and it stopped raining about 2 miles east of my home, and on the last stretch, I noticed some very cool clouds. I looked up, and they were right above me! Dozens of droopy boob clouds! :) Very cool!

    I had bookmarked this site a few weeks ago and glad I did, now. The boobie clouds I saw were a little more defined than the ones in the pictures here, but not as pretty with sunset. I guess they are called Mammatus clouds.

    http://www.extremeinstability.com/05-4-19.htm

    As an aside, the last time I remember seeing these clouds was when I heard about tornadoes likely about 100 miles to the NorthEast, and the fact that the entire east side of the sky was a heck of a cloud system. So I hit the road, drove past the tornado about 5 miles away (found the hail though!) and about 20 miles later I got to where they had predicted the tornado..but instead I got to see these awesome boobie clouds. Much better than the ones I saw tonight or in the pictures on that page. Perfect, droopy, half-spheres everywhere. Was cool :)

  11. Headline cut short by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is ment to read
    Rejected Scientific Paper Recycled as an Ad for Roland Piquepailles Blog

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  12. Re:outdated by drnlm · · Score: 2
    You're missing the whole point of peer-review. The classical model of scientific jounrals is that the edito removes obvious junk and hands the interesting articles off to the reviewers, If the reviewer, who are people in similiar fields, come back wiith "It basically looks alright", then it gets publsihed. The editor should only really be involved when the reviewers disagree. Its a simple filter to basically catch errors in the science (depending on the filed, the filter can be failry lack, or very tight).

    The article is about somebody protesting the editortial decision not to have the paper reviewed. It's an interesting, although probably expensive, way of protesting editorial policy.

  13. Re:Years by Kalak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't understand the backlash in this case. If someone else is covering the story, link to it and remove the need to click to his site. Then I'd say the complaining would be fair. In this case, no one seems to have done that. That's a major difference between Groklaw and /. Here, users bitch and complain. There, you get links to the absolute source wherever possible. Got a link to the source? Please give it. I'd love to see it. Hopefully it will have more detail. If not then, maybe it's possible that Roland has created a story this time.

    Slashdot rarely produces any new content either, and is now an ad/subscription based site. Why are we still here if they are just putting together other people's stuff and "selling it".

    You can still just:
    echo "127.0.0.1 www.primidi.com >> /etc/hosts
    (or the windows hosts file if you're using a Windows based OS)

    Without this story being pointed as coming from somewhere else, I linked to his site to read it. The entire controversy with Roland seems to echo what the story is about anyway - Who controls what is seen in a "peer reviewed" publication. /. is peer reviewed - by the editors. Complaints about Slashdot echo complains about the peer review process in the story. I'm not a Roland fan boy, but until someone produces credible links to refute that this is his, I say it's worth linking to. I know I would have not have heard of this incident without this story, and as someone who has published (limited) works, I find it relevant and interesting.

    In short, give me a reason to dispute that *this* story it not appropriate for the Science section of Slashdot, and not based on the name of the submitter, or the editor who posted it.

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  14. Re:Years by metalhed77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not that it's a bad story, I liked the story, unfortunately, Roland's self-serving self-linking is what puts me, and so many other slashdotter's off.

    He blatantly rips off content to get cheap hits on his site for ad revenue.

    Read this to see why.

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  15. Sweeping changes are due anyway by Deanasc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    With the NIH insisting on open access to any papers published on research they've funded and a general call by scientists to open up free access to older journals we'll be seeing a change in the journal system of publishing very shortly. With electronic publishing of the text alongside the paper copies there's really no reason not to open peer review up to everyone who reads the article.

    I think that any paper that meets a journals criteria should be put online and any interested party can vote as to the merits of the piece. The best and most interesting papers will become featured and the worse will be put to the back of the que. Papers that are so far advanced that their merits aren't recognized for years will have the option of becoming featured when they meet a threshold of other papers citing them. Papers that become seminal can be bound once each year for more perminant archiving. Nothing is lost in this system and no paper is rejected because one or two reviewers are jealous or don't quite understand the authors intent.

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  16. What high editorial standards? by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When has /. ever claimed to have high editorial standards? It's a site where potentially interesting stuff get's posted, not some professional journalism outlet.

    If anything's hurting Slashdot, it's the posters, especially all the annoying morons who seem to have crawled out of the woodwork for this article.

    Get a life.

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